From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Tue Sep 1 13:15:44 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:15:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Localization of mailman Message-ID: <6ADF90C12B6@power.feld.cvut.cz> I have made Czech translations of "templates" directory. But I have some problems, which I will consult with You. First of them is, that Czech uses ISO-8859-2 character set. It is not problem with www, becouse my server automaticaly recodes documets in clients character set. But in mail message I need append header Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text-plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Currently used method of message generation doesn't allow header modification. There are two posibilities, include some headers to append, configurable in Defaults.py, or make templates including headers and change other function. In Bounce.py is hardcoded header with US-ASCII character set, it is unusable. I can made both and submit patch, but I will know, what You will prefer. Second problem. I think it will be nice, to switch language versions in responses by detecting top level domain in user adress, how will You find this? I am interested in any sugestions. cheers dan P.S.: For Ken, You are interested in my Delivery status notification patch. I have made new version which works with "The Dragon De Monsyne" stadard smtplib patch. I am currently testing ob it works fine. I will submit the patch in end of this week. ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Zeme je placata, deti nosi cap, a windows 95 jsou stabilni operacni system. From tismer@appliedbiometrics.com Wed Sep 2 02:05:51 1998 From: tismer@appliedbiometrics.com (Christian Tismer) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 03:05:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! Message-ID: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> Today I spent a couple of hours trying to get Mailman b5 running on the starship. Starship has Python 1.5 at the moment (for whatever reason), and the INSTALL file claims """ You must have the Python interpreter installed somewhere on your system. Currently Python 1.5 or later is required. For information about obtaining Python source code, or pre-compiled binaries please see the Python Web site at """ This is not true. This version will not even run with a standard 1.5.1 Python. Killer#1: The parameter-less "raise" statement is no 1.5.1 feature. Killer#2: The __stdin__ and other underscored system file names are no Python 1.5 features. This together makes the "scripts/driver" file die very early, with a confusing error message. In the driver script, I inserted this before any code: try: import sys sys.__stdin__ except: sys.__stdin__=sys.stdin sys.__stdout__=sys.stdout sys.__stderr__=sys.stderr ... Uhm, I'm hacking since 6 hours now, but don't get the list admin running under Linux. I fear I will turn back to 0.95 which worked. tired - pirx -- Christian Tismer :^) Applied Biometrics GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 101 : *Starship* http://starship.skyport.net 10553 Berlin : PGP key -> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu we're tired of banana software - shipped green, ripens at home From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Wed Sep 2 22:36:41 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> Message-ID: <13805.47721.524951.825965@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer writes: CT> This is not true. This version will not even run with a CT> standard 1.5.1 Python. CT> Killer#1: The parameter-less "raise" statement is no 1.5.1 CT> feature. CT> Killer#2: The __stdin__ and other underscored system CT> file names are no Python 1.5 features. Chris, I tried both of these under our vanilla 1.5.1 release: -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Python 1.5.1 (#21, Apr 23 1998, 18:08:12) [GCC 2.8.1] on sunos5 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> import sys >>> sys.__stdin__ ', mode 'r' at bb878> >>> try: 1/0 ... except ZeroDivisionError: raise ... Traceback (innermost last): File "", line 1, in ? ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo >>> This together makes the "scripts/driver" file die very early, with a confusing error message. In the driver script, I inserted this before any code: try: import sys sys.__stdin__ except: sys.__stdin__=sys.stdin sys.__stdout__=sys.stdout sys.__stderr__=sys.stderr .. Uhm, I'm hacking since 6 hours now, but don't get the list admin running under Linux. I fear I will turn back to 0.95 which worked. tired - pirx -- Christian Tismer :^) Applied Biometrics GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 101 : *Starship* http://starship.skyport.net 10553 Berlin : PGP key -> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu we're tired of banana software - shipped green, ripens at home _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Wed Sep 2 22:44:19 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> Message-ID: <13805.48179.53909.779126@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> [Damn! Sorry for the premature response. Let's try that again] >>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer writes: CT> This is not true. This version will not even run with a CT> standard 1.5.1 Python. CT> Killer#1: The parameter-less "raise" statement is no 1.5.1 CT> feature. CT> Killer#2: The __stdin__ and other underscored system CT> file names are no Python 1.5 features. Chris, I tried both of these under our vanilla 1.5.1 release: -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Python 1.5.1 (#21, Apr 23 1998, 18:08:12) [GCC 2.8.1] on sunos5 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> import sys >>> sys.__stdin__ ', mode 'r' at bb878> >>> try: 1/0 ... except ZeroDivisionError: raise ... Traceback (innermost last): File "", line 1, in ? ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo >>> -------------------- snip snip -------------------- I don't have 1.5 handy but I think you're probably right that neither will work in a 1.5 release. In any event, the current version of the driver tries to do sain things with sys.__stdout__ and sys.__stderr__ (I don't think sys.__stdin__ is actually referenced anywhere, but my grep could be missing it). -------------------- snip snip -------------------- # Python 1.5 doesn't have these by default. Let's make our lives easy if not hasattr(sys, '__stderr__'): sys.__stderr__ = sys.stderr if not hasattr(sys, '__stdout__'): sys.__stdout__ = sys.stdout -------------------- snip snip -------------------- I also thought that I had commented all the bare raises out of the code (leaving them for a time when we can better rely on its existance). I'm pretty sure all instances of re-raising do it the old-fashion way, but again, I might be missing something. Have you checked the current CVS snapshot? I include our latest driver script below. See if that helps you out. -Barry [ATTACHMENT ~/projects/mailman/scripts/driver, application/octet-stream] From tismer@appliedbiometrics.com Thu Sep 3 18:27:01 1998 From: tismer@appliedbiometrics.com (Christian Tismer) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:27:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> <13805.48179.53909.779126@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <35EED165.7D2217D9@appliedbiometrics.com> Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > [Damn! Sorry for the premature response. Let's try that again] > > >>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer writes: > > CT> This is not true. This version will not even run with a > CT> standard 1.5.1 Python. Yes I was wrong here. > CT> Killer#1: The parameter-less "raise" statement is no 1.5.1 > CT> feature. It is of course, my testing was wrong. > CT> Killer#2: The __stdin__ and other underscored system > CT> file names are no Python 1.5 features. > > Chris, I tried both of these under our vanilla 1.5.1 release: Yes, right, my claim is true for 1.5, 1.5.1 does it. > I don't have 1.5 handy but I think you're probably right that neither > will work in a 1.5 release. In any event, the current version of the > driver tries to do sain things with sys.__stdout__ and sys.__stderr__ > (I don't think sys.__stdin__ is actually referenced anywhere, but my > grep could be missing it). > > -------------------- snip snip -------------------- > # Python 1.5 doesn't have these by default. Let's make our lives easy > if not hasattr(sys, '__stderr__'): > sys.__stderr__ = sys.stderr > if not hasattr(sys, '__stdout__'): > sys.__stdout__ = sys.stdout > -------------------- snip snip -------------------- > > I also thought that I had commented all the bare raises out of the > code (leaving them for a time when we can better rely on its > existance). I'm pretty sure all instances of re-raising do it the > old-fashion way, but again, I might be missing something. > > Have you checked the current CVS snapshot? I include our latest > driver script below. See if that helps you out. > > -Barry > > [ATTACHMENT ~/projects/mailman/scripts/driver, application/octet-stream] I could not find an attachment, just the line above. Meanwhile I thought had all the __ things and raise statements out and got it running so far. Perhaps I missed something, since I never got the admin pages to work. I could not edit any list, and I gave up. Probably my fault, although - who did it get to run under Redhat Linux? Can someone give me a working Linux version for the Starship? I'm afraid to re-invent the wheel. How do I get at the CVS tree? thanks&cheers - pirx -- Christian Tismer :^) Applied Biometrics GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 101 : *Starship* http://starship.skyport.net 10553 Berlin : PGP key -> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu we're tired of banana software - shipped green, ripens at home From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Thu Sep 3 21:26:38 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> <13805.48179.53909.779126@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <35EED165.7D2217D9@appliedbiometrics.com> Message-ID: <13806.64382.58268.605475@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> --6QK9bPyZ8q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: message body text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer writes: CT> I could not find an attachment, just the line above. I'll try again below as plaintext. CT> How do I get at the CVS tree? -Barry --6QK9bPyZ8q Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline; filename="driver" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #! /usr/bin/env python # # Copyright (C) 1998 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. # This better succeed. If this fails, Python is royally screwed so we might # as well let the Web server give us a fatal and obtrusive error. import sys # From here on we are as bulletproof as possible! # This function is useful for debugging. When an error occurs, this attaches # the file name to the exception string and re-raises. This will be # unnecessary in Python 1.5.2, which also does sensible things to most os # module functions. realopen = open def open(filename, mode='r', bufsize=-1, realopen=realopen): try: return realopen(filename, mode, bufsize) except IOError, e: strerror = e.strerror + ': ' + filename e.strerror = strerror e.filename = filename e.args = (e.args[0], strerror) # Python 1.5 raise e, None, sys.exc_info()[2] # Python 1.5.1 #raise import __builtin__ __builtin__.__dict__['open'] = open # This standard driver script is used to run CGI programs, wrapped in code # that catches errors, and displays them as HTML. This guarantees that # (almost) any problems in the Mailman software doesn't result in a Web server # error. It is much more helpful to generate and show a traceback, which the # user could send to the administrator, than to display a server error and # have to trudge through server logs. # Note: this isn't 100% perfect! Here are some things that can go wrong that # are not caught and reported as traceback-containing HTML: # # - This file could contain a syntax error. In that case, you would indeed # get a Web server error since this file wouldn't even compile, and there's # no way to catch that. # # - The sys module could be royally screwed, probably we couldn't import it. # Both those would indicate serious problems in the Python installation. # These won't generate Web server errors, but neither will they give # meaningful tracebacks. # # I consider these pretty unlikely. def run_main(): try: # These will ensure that even if something between now and the # creation of the real logger below fails, we can still get # *something* meaningful logger = None # insert the relative path to the parent of the Mailman package # directory, so we can pick up the Utils module import os # sys gets imported at module level below sys.path.insert(0, os.pardir) # map stderr to a logger, if possible from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger logger = StampedLogger('error', label='admin', manual_reprime=1, nofail=0, immediate=1) # The name of the module to run is passed in argv[1]. What we # actually do is import the module named by argv[1] that lives in the # Mailman.Cgi package. That module must have a main() function, which # we dig out and call. # scriptname = sys.argv[1] # See the reference manual for why we have to do things this way. # Note that importing should have no side-effects! pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(), [scriptname]) module = getattr(pkg, scriptname) main = getattr(module, 'main') try: main() except SystemExit: # this is a valid way for the function to exit pass except: print_traceback(logger) print_environment(logger) # We are printing error reporting to two places. One will always be stdout # and the other will always be the log file. It is assumed that stdout is an # HTML sink and the log file is a plain text sink. def print_traceback(logfp=None): if logfp is None: logfp = sys.__stderr__ try: import traceback except ImportError: traceback = None # write to the log file first logfp.write('[----- Traceback ------]\n') if traceback: traceback.print_exc(file=logfp) else: logfp.write('[failed to import module traceback]\n') logfp.write('[exc: %s, var: %s]\n' % sys.exc_info()[0:2]) # print to the HTML sink print """\ Content-type: text/html

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

"""
    if traceback:
        traceback.print_exc(file=sys.stdout)
    else:
        print '[failed to import module traceback]'
        print '[exc: %s, var: %s]' % sys.exc_info()[0:2]
    print '\n\n
' def print_environment(logfp=None): if logfp is None: logfp = sys.__stderr__ try: import os except ImportError: os = None # write to the log file first logfp.write('[----- Environment Variables -----]\n') if os: for k, v in os.environ.items(): logfp.write('\t%s: %s\n' % (k, v)) else: logfp.write('[failed to import module os]\n') # write to the HTML sink if os: print '''\

Environment variables:

''' for k, v in os.environ.items(): print '' print '
Variable Value
', k, '', v, '
' else: print '

[failed to import module os]' try: # Python 1.5 doesn't have these by default. Let's make our lives easy if not hasattr(sys, '__stderr__'): sys.__stderr__ = sys.stderr if not hasattr(sys, '__stdout__'): sys.__stdout__ = sys.stdout run_main() except: # Some exception percolated all the way back up to the top. This # generally shouldn't happen because the run_main() call is similarly # wrapped, but just in case, we'll give it one last ditch effort to report # problems to *somebody*. Most likely this will end up in the Web server # log file. try: print_traceback() print_environment() except: # Nope, we're quite screwed print """\ Content-type: text/html

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site. """ sys.__stderr__.write('[Mailman: low level unrecoverable exception]\n') --6QK9bPyZ8q-- From klm@python.org Fri Sep 4 03:51:23 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] fix for private archives mechanism Message-ID: <13807.21571.613572.45480@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us> Someone noticed that invalid passwords were being accepted for access to private archives. I tracked down the problem, and see that this problem applies to 1.0b4 and also 1.0b5 (we're still at 1.0b4 on python.org). Any of you running those versions of mailman with a private archive should apply this patch to private.py (in Mailman/Cgi/private.py in 1.0b5, and in scripts/private.py in 1.0b4). You may have to apply it by hand in 1.0b4 - it shouldn't be hard, just look for the exception line. Ken Manheimer klm@python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # Index: private.py =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -c -r1.4 -r1.5 *** private.py 1998/07/11 23:19:08 1.4 --- private.py 1998/09/04 02:44:44 1.5 *************** *** 148,154 **** try: listobj.ConfirmUserPassword( username, password) except (Errors.MMBadUserError, Errors.MMBadPasswordError): ! return 1 import base64, md5 token = md5.new(SECRET + list_name + SECRET).digest() --- 148,154 ---- try: listobj.ConfirmUserPassword( username, password) except (Errors.MMBadUserError, Errors.MMBadPasswordError): ! return 0 import base64, md5 token = md5.new(SECRET + list_name + SECRET).digest() From tomas@euronetics.se Fri Sep 4 04:11:58 1998 From: tomas@euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 05:11:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! Message-ID: <014201bdd7b1$c7a144a0$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> >Probably my fault, although - who did it get to run under Redhat >Linux? Can someone give me a working Linux version for the Starship? >I'm afraid to re-invent the wheel. I'm running Redhat 5.0, python 1.5.1 and a CVS snapshot of still in work Mailman 1.0b6. The overall function is satisfying for my current needs. I am still evaluating, not in production. Checking out the latest sources from CVS over network is a pretty cool thing although it takes a while of course. But I'm not sure it's a good thing to do for a live installation. Unless the active developers affirm it's safe and stable to do so. Tomas From tomas@euronetics.se Fri Sep 4 05:03:12 1998 From: tomas@euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:03:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Possible re-design for the cause of internationalization Message-ID: <014a01bdd7b8$efda5720$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm the guy trying to translate Mailman to Swedish. Currently the task of doing a translation is managable but very time = consuming. Further, since it involves editing code files it sure makes = you feel insecure about it. It also complicates the task of having the = code up to date with the main (american english) trunk although CVS can = do a good job to make that task less painful. Anyway, in order to avoid chaos in localized installations, there seem = to be a need to change the scheme of how to incorporate language = specific text in user presentations. There has already been some = postings about that. Unfortunately, using the "patch" approach will probably make the code = look "messy" and less readable. Therefore it might be a good idea to do = a re-design of the current text generation part of the code in Mailman. The question is, what is the proper procedure to achieve this? Is there currently an "architect" for Mailman? Is that person willing to coordinate such an efford? If a CVS branch is created for this purpose, how do you earn check-in = permission for that branch? Is there anybody out there who cares about this matter part from me (if = not, why bother)? Tomas ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I'm the guy trying to translate = Mailman to=20 Swedish.
Currently the task of doing a translation is managable but very = time=20 consuming. Further, since it involves editing code files it sure makes = you feel=20 insecure about it. It also complicates the task of having the code up to = date=20 with the main (american english) trunk although CVS can do a good job to = make=20 that task less painful.
Anyway, in order to avoid chaos in localized installations, = there seem to=20 be a need to change the scheme of how to incorporate language specific = text in=20 user presentations. There has already been some postings about=20 that.
Unfortunately, using the = "patch"=20 approach will probably make the code look "messy" and less = readable.=20 Therefore it might be a good idea to do a re-design of the current text=20 generation part of the code in Mailman.
The question is, what is the proper procedure to = achieve=20 this?
Is there currently an "architect" for=20 Mailman?
Is that person willing to coordinate such an=20 efford?
If a CVS branch is created for this purpose, = how do you earn check-in permission for that = branch?
 
Is there anybody out there who cares about this = matter part=20 from me (if not, why bother)?
 
Tomas
 
------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540-- From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Fri Sep 4 15:51:57 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <014201bdd7b1$c7a144a0$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> Message-ID: <13807.65165.345200.114038@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TF" == Tomas Fasth writes: TF> Checking out the latest sources from CVS over TF> network is a pretty cool thing although it takes a while of TF> course. But I'm not sure it's a good thing to do for a live TF> installation. Unless the active developers affirm it's safe TF> and stable to do so. I would never recommend using the CVS snapshot for a production installation. That's most definitely not its purpose. When we do a labeled release, we're in effect saying we believe we've reached a stable milestone. Glad you like the CVS access though -- I think it's pretty cool too! -Barry From klm@python.org Fri Sep 4 16:40:37 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Possible re-design for the cause of internationalization In-Reply-To: <014a01bdd7b8$efda5720$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tomas Fasth wrote: > Hi, I'm the guy trying to translate Mailman to Swedish. > Currently the task of doing a translation is managable but very time consuming. Further, since it involves editing code files it sure makes you feel insecure about it. It also complicates the task of having the code up to date with the main (american english) trunk although CVS can do a good job to make that task less painful. > Anyway, in order to avoid chaos in localized installations, there seem to be a need to change the scheme of how to incorporate language specific text in user presentations. There has already been some postings about that. > Unfortunately, using the "patch" approach will probably make the code look "messy" and less readable. Therefore it might be a good idea to do a re-design of the current text generation part of the code in Mailman. > The question is, what is the proper procedure to achieve this? > Is there currently an "architect" for Mailman? > Is that person willing to coordinate such an efford? > If a CVS branch is created for this purpose, how do you earn check-in permission for that branch? > > Is there anybody out there who cares about this matter part from me (if not, why bother)? These are good questions. I would say that there is interest in general for localization, and in fact we had started to think about that independently of your efforts. But i should stress "started" - i'd say we're currently in an early stage of mailman's release to the world, and concentrating as much as we can on getting a stable release with the current feature set. As it stands, the three of us who have been at the center (john, barry and i) are having less time than we hoped, for various and diverse reasons, to get to the first full release. And until we get there we will be trying to maintain a feature freeze, to avoid getting *further* away from our goal of a stable release. This does not mean that your efforts for internationalization will be for nought, but we probably will be quite slow and reluctant to adopt most structural changes until we get over the hump of 1.0final. So i'd say the upshot is that you're going to need to be patient - we've just gotten together a lot of the infrastructure (with stuff like the mailing lists, the public CVS tree, and the web site) for collaborative development, but that sort of stuff is less than half the picture - the substantial stuff will be procedures and policies for coordinating a larger effort, and we're only starting to look at that. Ken Manheimer klm@python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540-- From tismer@appliedbiometrics.com Fri Sep 4 16:52:11 1998 From: tismer@appliedbiometrics.com (Christian Tismer) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:52:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <014201bdd7b1$c7a144a0$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> Message-ID: <35F00CAB.BBD36366@appliedbiometrics.com> Tomas Fasth wrote: > > >Probably my fault, although - who did it get to run under Redhat > >Linux? Can someone give me a working Linux version for the Starship? > >I'm afraid to re-invent the wheel. > > I'm running Redhat 5.0, python 1.5.1 and a CVS snapshot of still in work > Mailman 1.0b6. > The overall function is satisfying for my current needs. I am still > evaluating, not in production. > Checking out the latest sources from CVS over network is a pretty cool thing > although it takes a while of course. But I'm not sure it's a good thing to > do for a live installation. Unless the active developers affirm it's safe > and stable to do so. My problem is that I have to install a production release. But I upgraded the Machine to Python 1.5, not 1.5.1, and got into trouble after following the instructions. (Which claimed Py1.5 would do). Of course I can upgrade to Py 1.5.1, but if it's not necessary, this is a good compatibility check. Funny thing - in order to keep an installed system, I have to use a non-released beta of some other system. Somehow this is upside down, isn't it? cheers - pirx -- Christian Tismer :^) Applied Biometrics GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 101 : *Starship* http://starship.skyport.net 10553 Berlin : PGP key -> http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/ we're tired of banana software - shipped green, ripens at home From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Fri Sep 4 20:50:11 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <014201bdd7b1$c7a144a0$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> <35F00CAB.BBD36366@appliedbiometrics.com> Message-ID: <13808.17523.481401.725155@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> I am going to try to find some time to verify that the next Mailman snapshot works with Python 1.5. I've got to dig that up and install it, then run 1.0b6 against it. -Barry From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Fri Sep 4 22:54:52 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:54:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Possible re-design for the cause of internationalization In-Reply-To: References: <014a01bdd7b8$efda5720$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> Message-ID: <6FFCE7039C3@power.feld.cvut.cz> On 4 Sep 98, at 11:40, Ken Manheimer wrote: > I would say that there is interest in general for localization, and in > fact we had started to think about that independently of your efforts. > But i should stress "started" - i'd say we're currently in an early > stage of mailman's release to the world, and concentrating as much as we > can on getting a stable release with the current feature set. I am also interested in localization too. I thik, it is OK to made stable version, but it is not so big change. I think it will be possible to made next version after this with localization support. The templates are very good start and next what we need is some function like def get_localized(text) return text We can suply this function on all positions and after this we can think about realization of this function. Standart distribution can have this function and our localized can have some other. I will post patches, where will be solved header problems of templates, but it is difficult, becouse when they will be included in further version, they can be unusable, becouse the source code can be another. cheers dan ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Pokrok je realizace utopii. From cklempay@acm.jhu.edu Thu Sep 10 19:35:50 1998 From: cklempay@acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] /home/mailman/cron/senddigests death Message-ID: Anyone seen this before? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Outside of every thin woman is a fat man trying to get in." 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-1258604244-905470171=:8880 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This patch sets everything for the usage with qmail. It can be turned off (default). To be switched on you have to edit mm_cfg's QMAIL variable. This is a temp. hack, it can be generalized for sendmail or such other MDAs. Please apply it. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 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Warsaw) Fri Sep 11 00:52:55 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] cgi extensions [add-on] References: Message-ID: <13816.26199.912453.441364@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Guys, Quick note to thank y'all for all the patches. I've been burning the midnight oil trying to finish up our Mailman paper, and John and Ken have also been busy with various things. I think after this is all done we're going to make a concerted push to address the patches and issues, get another release out, and strive for stability. Stay tuned! -Barry From cklempay@acm.jhu.edu Sat Sep 12 22:00:43 1998 From: cklempay@acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] run_queue problems... Message-ID: Seen this before? -- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:42:01 -0400 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ? OutgoingQueue.processQueue() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 38, in processQueue Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 201, in TrySMTPDelivery con.send(to=recipient,frm=sender,text=text) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 101, in send self.getresp() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 146, in getresp raise bad, resp smtplib.error_proto: 503 Need RCPT (recipient) From cklempay@acm.jhu.edu Sun Sep 13 06:13:16 1998 From: cklempay@acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Eeek! Message-ID: I'm getting this run_queue problem emailed to me _every half hour_...yipes! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Outside of every thin woman is a fat man trying to get in." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:12:01 -0400 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ? OutgoingQueue.processQueue() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 38, in processQueue Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 201, in TrySMTPDelivery con.send(to=recipient,frm=sender,text=text) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 101, in send self.getresp() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 146, in getresp raise bad, resp smtplib.error_proto: 503 Need RCPT (recipient) From dragondm@delta.integral.org Sun Sep 13 20:24:11 1998 From: dragondm@delta.integral.org (The Dragon De Monsyne) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:24:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Eeek! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Sep 1998, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: > I'm getting this run_queue problem emailed to me _every half > hour_...yipes! There is a message with no recipients, or all bad local recipients stuck in the outgoing queue. look for a mm_q file in the data directory, and remove it. (the next thing will be to figure out how this happened) > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:12:01 -0400 > From: Cron Daemon > To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu > Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python > /home/mailman/cron/run_queue > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ? > OutgoingQueue.processQueue() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 38, in processQueue > Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 201, in TrySMTPDelivery > con.send(to=recipient,frm=sender,text=text) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 101, in send > self.getresp() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 146, in getresp > raise bad, resp > smtplib.error_proto: 503 Need RCPT (recipient) > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > -The Dragon De Monsyne From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Mon Sep 14 22:54:16 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] CVS account and password Message-ID: <13821.37000.770741.233829@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> There will be a small change in anonymous CVS access to the Mailman stuff. The new username is `mailmancvs' and the new password is `dogbyte'. The old username and password will continue to work for a little while, but it will eventually be disabled. Please change your setup accordingly (you may need to re-login). Let me know if you have any problems. Thanks, -Barry From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Fri Sep 18 20:35:56 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:35:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] -admin mail loop Message-ID: <19980918153556.41267@chronis.icgroup.com> I set up mailman recently (v.1.0b5) with python v1.5.1 and administor the site. There is a list run on the site with 3 list administrtors. One administrators mailbox filled up, and error messages went back to the -admin address, causing a mailloop. What's the status on -admin address bounce control? Anything I can do to help further it along? scott From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Fri Sep 18 21:29:01 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:29:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] -admin mail loop In-Reply-To: <19980918153556.41267@chronis.icgroup.com>; from Scott on Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 03:35:56PM -0400 References: <19980918153556.41267@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: <19980918162901.19894@chronis.icgroup.com> Should this be happening? Sep 16 11:29:19 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 91470 secs Sep 16 11:50:15 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 90214 secs Sep 16 12:39:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 87259 secs Sep 16 12:39:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 87259 secs Sep 16 13:10:57 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 85372 secs Sep 16 13:23:55 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84594 secs Sep 16 13:29:52 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84237 secs Sep 16 13:30:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84198 secs Sep 16 13:59:00 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 82489 secs . [many more entries] . . Sep 17 13:22:38 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - exceeded limits Sep 17 13:22:39 1998 Forpigssake: disabled pigtrnr@aol.com scott On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 03:35:56PM -0400, Scott wrote: | | I set up mailman recently (v.1.0b5) with python v1.5.1 and administor | the site. There is a list run on the site with 3 list | administrtors. One administrators mailbox filled up, and error | messages went back to the -admin address, causing a mailloop. | | What's the status on -admin address bounce control? Anything I can do | to help further it along? | | scott | | _______________________________________________ | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Fri Sep 18 22:56:38 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:56:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] -admin mail loop In-Reply-To: <19980918162901.19894@chronis.icgroup.com>; from Scott on Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 04:29:01PM -0400 References: <19980918153556.41267@chronis.icgroup.com> <19980918162901.19894@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: <19980918175638.14912@chronis.icgroup.com> Wouldn't it make sense to have the -admin address NOT set the envelope sender to -admin, but to pass the original envelope sender through? If this change was made, any person who mailed a -admin address that was down would receive the error message (rather than the defunct -admin address receiving its own error messages ). If a subscriber address were to become defunct and bounce, then the error message directed to the -admin address would have <> or mailer daemon or some such as the envelope sender. If the -admin address is defunct and preserved the original envelope sender, then the doubly bounced message would bounced back to the mailer daemon of the original error reporting MTA, which again wouldn't cause a loop or present any unusual problems. The question then is how would it effect messages automatically sent to the -admin address by mailman itself? Messages to approve or deny questionable post requests, and/or sending the passwords to the -admin address (if the option is set) would have to have an envelope sender set to something other than the -admin address. here we have a few options: 1) set the envelope sender to mailman-owner: this is intuitive, since it is mailman itself generating these messages. It is also a much safer bet that the mailman-owner address is functional than that all the -admin addresses are functional. 2) set the envelope sender to -request. This is also sortof intuitive since this class of messages are requests regarding the list. However, when messages to a -admin address bounce, the error message would be directed back to the -request address, which I believe would in turn respond to the mailer daemon of the MTA reporting the error with the -admin address. Confusing, but still no nasty mail loops like some of us have experienced. 3) set the envelope sender to a (new) system-wide -admin delivery error collecting address. something like mailman-owner-admin-errors. This would gracefully collect all the error messages in one place for examining. I don't like the look of "mailman-owner-admin-delivery-error-collector" or anything else I can think of with this functionality as an alias though. If we settle on a solution, I'll volunteer to do the coding. IMO the best of the above 3 options is #1. scott On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 04:29:01PM -0400, Scott wrote: | | Should this be happening? | | Sep 16 11:29:19 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 91470 secs | Sep 16 11:50:15 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 90214 secs | Sep 16 12:39:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 87259 secs | Sep 16 12:39:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 87259 secs | Sep 16 13:10:57 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 85372 secs | Sep 16 13:23:55 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84594 secs | Sep 16 13:29:52 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84237 secs | Sep 16 13:30:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84198 secs | Sep 16 13:59:00 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 82489 secs | . | [many more entries] | . | . | Sep 17 13:22:38 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - exceeded limits | Sep 17 13:22:39 1998 Forpigssake: disabled pigtrnr@aol.com | | | scott | | On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 03:35:56PM -0400, Scott wrote: | | | | I set up mailman recently (v.1.0b5) with python v1.5.1 and administor | | the site. There is a list run on the site with 3 list | | administrtors. One administrators mailbox filled up, and error | | messages went back to the -admin address, causing a mailloop. | | | | What's the status on -admin address bounce control? Anything I can do | | to help further it along? | | | | scott | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | | | | _______________________________________________ | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Sun Sep 20 15:32:31 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:32:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: -admin looping In-Reply-To: <19980918195210.48996@chronis.icgroup.com>; from Scott on Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 07:52:10PM -0400 References: <19980918195210.48996@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: <19980920103231.02506@chronis.icgroup.com> Hmm. I seem to have problems sending these messages. Below is a response I accidentally addressed to the -admin address. And here is yet another followup: The patch below will not function properly for lists whose subscriber list are identical to the owner address list. I don't think this is a normal situation, but it's probably best to make the change apply only to messages directed at the -admin address exclusively 100% of the time rather than 99.9+% of the time. At any rate, since I'm no longer in danger of getting into another -admin mail loop, I'll hold off until I hear something from one of the other subscribers on the list. I really hope this idea takes hold because as a mail administrator of an email forwarding service, I *know* it's a really bad idea to set the envelope sender of messages to a forwarding address (the -admin address) to the address itself. The envelope sender should be passed through. To leave the envelope sender the same is just inviting nasty mailloops... scott On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 07:52:10PM -0400, Scott wrote: | Sorry 'bout the headers on this guy, that's what happens when you mess | up in mutt have and 'edit_hdrs' set... | | | Anyway: | | On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 10:58:57PM +0000, Scott wrote: | | Wouldn't it make sense to have the -admin address NOT set the envelope | | sender to -admin, but to pass the original envelope sender through? | | | | If this change was made, any person who mailed a -admin address that | | was down would receive the error message (rather than the defunct | | -admin address receiving its own error messages ). | | | | If a subscriber address were to become defunct and bounce, then the | | error message directed to the -admin address would have <> or mailer | | daemon or some such as the envelope sender. If the -admin address is | | defunct and preserved the original envelope sender, then the doubly | | bounced message would bounced back to the mailer daemon of the | | original error reporting MTA, which again wouldn't cause a loop or | | present any unusual problems. | | | | The question then is how would it effect messages automatically sent | | to the -admin address by mailman itself? Messages to approve or deny | | questionable post requests, and/or sending the passwords to the | | -admin address (if the option is set) would have to have an envelope | | sender set to something other than the -admin address. here we have a | | few options: | | On second thought: with the idea of passing through the envelope | sender, I don't belive that messages generated by mailman need to be | altered at all, because any bounced message to a list owner address | will return to the -admin address only once, at which point the | envelope sender would no longer be "", but the mailer | daemon of the machine that bounced the message, so subsequent errors | would go to that postmaster. | | passing through the envelope senders may also cause errors with | mailers set up to disallow relaying, even in the event the connection | making the request is local. I think most mailers will allow this | *because* the connection *is* local, but some mailers or some | configurations may not. In this case, it makes sense to set the | envelope sender to mailman-owner. | | Below is a patch which sets the envelope sender to the sender of the | message being delivered to the -admin address. This will prevent | -admin bounces from causing a loop. If anyone wants to use this, and | they want to have the sender set to mailman-owner instead of the | original message sender, just replace "sender = msg.GetSender()" below | with "sender = "mailman-owner" and apply the patch. | | It is very bad to have -admin mail loops. | | scott | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | patch -set envelope sender of messages to -admin to sender of those messages | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | *** Mailman/Deliverer.py Fri Sep 18 19:25:28 1998 | --- /share/src/mailman-1.0b5/Mailman/Deliverer.py Mon Jul 27 18:48:31 1998 | *************** | *** 58,71 **** | del msg['reply-to'] | msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) | msg.headers.append('Sender: %s\n' % self.GetAdminEmail()) | ! # | ! # only add errors to -admin if the recipients aren't the | ! # list owners. we also set the envelope sender differently | ! # in this case below. avoidance of mail loops to -admin | ! # addresses must be strictly enforced. | ! # | ! if self.owner != recipients: | ! msg.headers.append('Errors-To: %s\n' % self.GetAdminEmail()) | msg.headers.append('X-BeenThere: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) | | cmd = "%s %s" % (mm_cfg.PYTHON, | --- 58,64 ---- | del msg['reply-to'] | msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) | msg.headers.append('Sender: %s\n' % self.GetAdminEmail()) | ! msg.headers.append('Errors-To: %s\n' % self.GetAdminEmail()) | msg.headers.append('X-BeenThere: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) | | cmd = "%s %s" % (mm_cfg.PYTHON, | *************** | *** 73,92 **** | cmdproc = os.popen(cmd, 'w') | | cmdproc.write("%d\n" % self.num_spawns) | ! # | ! # mailowner script calls this method and lists recipients as the | ! # owner addresses of the list. When a -admin address forwards | ! # to a defunct address, this causes the resulting bounced | ! # messages to go back to the -admin address, and there's a mail | ! # loop. So we work around this by passing the | ! # envelope sender of the original message through in this case | ! # instead of setting it to the -admin address. | ! # | ! if self.owner == recipients: | ! sender = msg.GetSender() | ! else: | ! sender = self.GetAdminEmail() | ! cmdproc.write("%s\n" % sender) | for r in recipients: | # Mustn't send blank lines before end of recipients: | if not r: continue | --- 66,72 ---- | cmdproc = os.popen(cmd, 'w') | | cmdproc.write("%d\n" % self.num_spawns) | ! cmdproc.write("%s\n" % self.GetAdminEmail()) | for r in recipients: | # Mustn't send blank lines before end of recipients: | if not r: continue | | | | | | | From klm@python.org Sun Sep 20 19:05:03 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman BOF at IPC 7? Message-ID: <13829.17038.33860.322036@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us> What would people think about having a birds-of-feather session for mailman developers (and users, etc) at the python conference, coming up in november? (See http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11 for conference details.) I think it'd be worthwhile to get face to face with folks, and discuss the development process and handling contributions, futures, etc... ken manheimer klm@python.org From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Mon Sep 21 00:46:11 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:46:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman BOF at IPC 7? In-Reply-To: <13829.17038.33860.322036@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>; from Ken Manheimer on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 02:05:03PM -0400 References: <13829.17038.33860.322036@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <19980920194611.35116@chronis.icgroup.com> What's that url?!? scott On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 02:05:03PM -0400, Ken Manheimer wrote: | What would people think about having a birds-of-feather session for | mailman developers (and users, etc) at the python conference, coming | up in november? (See http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11 | for conference details.) I think it'd be worthwhile to get face to | face with folks, and discuss the development process and handling | contributions, futures, etc... | | ken manheimer | klm@python.org | | _______________________________________________ | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | From cklempay@acm.jhu.edu Tue Sep 22 17:02:50 1998 From: cklempay@acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Message-ID: I seem to be getting daily messages from senddigests...it normally barfs with a little more info, but today's was this sparse...any file I can check/delete to cure this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "The only difference between a rut and a grave are the dimensions." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:00:01 -0400 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests deliver: parent uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 deliver child: uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 ContactTransport in... ContactTransport out... From klm@python.org Tue Sep 22 17:43:38 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] /home/mailman/cron/senddigests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: > I seem to be getting daily messages from senddigests...it normally barfs > with a little more info, but today's was this sparse...any file I can > check/delete to cure this? > [...] > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:00:01 -0400 > From: Cron Daemon > To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu > Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python > /home/mailman/cron/senddigests > > deliver: parent uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 > deliver child: uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 > ContactTransport in... > ContactTransport out... Whoops - corbett, this is from some residual debugging flags i put into your version of mailman, when i was trying to track down the linux permission problems (and, i gather, workaround for them - sounds like things are working for you now, for the most part). You should search in scripts/deliver for "deliver: parent uid" and for "deliver child: uid" for the prints and remove them, and search in scripts/contact_transport for "ContactTransport in..." and "ContactTransport out..." for the debugging prints, there. Sorry about the cruft! Also, sounds like there might be more - be on the lookout for it. In general i try to flag my debugging prints with "# DEBUG" at the end of the line, so you might try a grep for "DEBUG" through all the scripts to see if there's any more to remove. Let me know if you have troubles tracking it down, or questions... Ken From julian7@kva.hu Thu Sep 24 07:56:58 1998 From: julian7@kva.hu (Balazs Nagy) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:56:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] What about my patches? Message-ID: Hiyas, See $SUBJ. By the way I think Iam ready with administration email commands but the admin help isn't up to date. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. PGP 0x1DE3631D / A8 B4 92 EE 1F 55 27 C8 86 64 9C 42 41 A4 BD B8 From John@list.org Thu Sep 24 14:28:00 1998 From: John@list.org (John Viega) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:28:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] What about my patches? In-Reply-To: ; from Balazs Nagy on Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 08:56:58AM +0200 References: Message-ID: <19980924062800.F10397@viega.org> Nagy, They'll definitely be going in. Unfortunately, I'm still trying to make time to do it myself, and other people seem to be just as busy. *Please* hang in there, we definitely don't want you to bail out on us because we have so little time on our end... John On Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 08:56:58AM +0200, Balazs Nagy wrote: > Hiyas, > > See $SUBJ. By the way I think Iam ready with administration email commands > but the admin help isn't up to date. > -- > hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively > overcoming or circumventing limitations. > PGP 0x1DE3631D / A8 B4 92 EE 1F 55 27 C8 86 64 9C 42 41 A4 BD B8 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Fri Sep 25 19:38:49 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:38:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion Message-ID: <199809251837.UAA06624@poli.feld.cvut.cz> I become sometimes irriting error messages cannot unlink....... by queue processing. So I sugest this modification of dequeue function def dequeueMessage(msg): import os try: os.unlink(msg) except: from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) l.flush() I currently dont know why this error happens, I still searching. cheers dan ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Pocitac se od televizniho divaka lisi tim, ze ma vlastni program. From dragondm@delta.integral.org Fri Sep 25 22:16:47 1998 From: dragondm@delta.integral.org (The Dragon De Monsyne) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:16:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion In-Reply-To: <199809251837.UAA06624@poli.feld.cvut.cz> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER wrote: > I become sometimes irriting error messages cannot unlink....... by > queue processing. So I sugest this modification of dequeue > function > > def dequeueMessage(msg): > import os > try: > os.unlink(msg) > except: > from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger > l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) > l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) > l.flush() > > I currently dont know why this error happens, I still searching. Oh, I know why this happens. It's related to the duplicate delivery problem. Another proccess has delivered the queued message out from under the first one. (and deleted the queue file, which is why the first process cannot delete the message. ) I've actually fixed this problem, by the simple expediant of making all of the Mailman programs simply queue, and not try to deliver, outgoing messages. Then I have a modified run_queue program that runs continuously, de-queueing and delivering messages. Works great, sofar. If anyone's interested in the diffs. let me know. (I mentioned this whence I first did this, bout a month ago, but noone seemed interested then. ) -The Dragon De Monsyne From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Sat Sep 26 20:38:30 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:38:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion In-Reply-To: References: <199809251837.UAA06624@poli.feld.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <199809261937.VAA12660@poli.feld.cvut.cz> On 25 Sep 98, at 16:16, The Dragon De Monsyne wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER wrote: > > > I become sometimes irriting error messages cannot unlink....... by > > queue processing. So I sugest this modification of dequeue > > function > > > > def dequeueMessage(msg): > > import os > > try: > > os.unlink(msg) > > except: > > from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger > > l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) > > l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) > > l.flush() > > > > I currently dont know why this error happens, I still searching. > > Oh, I know why this happens. It's related to the duplicate > delivery problem. Another proccess has delivered the queued message out > from under the first one. (and deleted the queue file, which is why the > first process cannot delete the message. ) Yes so it is probably done, but I think some messages, which are afected with this error aren't send duplicate. > > I've actually fixed this problem, by the simple expediant of > making all of the Mailman programs simply queue, and not try to deliver, > outgoing messages. Then I have a modified run_queue program that runs > continuously, de-queueing and delivering messages. Works great, sofar. > If anyone's interested in the diffs. let me know. (I mentioned > this whence I first did this, bout a month ago, but noone seemed > interested then. ) Send me this, please, but I am working on another sugestion. I will made this: when one process begins with delivery, it makes lock file mm_l.1 and so on. Locked files are skipped by another processes. Sucessfull delivery removes both lock and data files, unsuccesfull only lock file. Danger on my solution is, that when mailman dies, the file is locked forever (or probalby I can delete lock files older than X from crond). Some opinion to this? cheers dan ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Pesimista vidi v ementalskem syru jen ty diry. From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Sat Sep 26 23:02:53 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion In-Reply-To: <199809261937.VAA12660@poli.feld.cvut.cz>; from Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER on Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 09:38:30PM +0200 References: <199809251837.UAA06624@poli.feld.cvut.cz> <199809261937.VAA12660@poli.feld.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <19980926180253.15995@chronis.icgroup.com> I personally like the idea of locking the files more than I like the idea of a daemon delivering queued mail because there will always be the worry that something accidentally kills the daemon process while no admin is around. Lock timeouts sound like a good solution and are already available in the file locking module. scott On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 09:38:30PM +0200, Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER wrote: | On 25 Sep 98, at 16:16, The Dragon De Monsyne wrote: | | > On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER wrote: | > | > > I become sometimes irriting error messages cannot unlink....... by | > > queue processing. So I sugest this modification of dequeue | > > function | > > | > > def dequeueMessage(msg): | > > import os | > > try: | > > os.unlink(msg) | > > except: | > > from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger | > > l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) | > > l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) | > > l.flush() | > > | > > I currently dont know why this error happens, I still searching. | > | > Oh, I know why this happens. It's related to the duplicate | > delivery problem. Another proccess has delivered the queued message out | > from under the first one. (and deleted the queue file, which is why the | > first process cannot delete the message. ) | | Yes so it is probably done, but I think some messages, which are | afected with this error aren't send duplicate. | | | > | > I've actually fixed this problem, by the simple expediant of | > making all of the Mailman programs simply queue, and not try to deliver, | > outgoing messages. Then I have a modified run_queue program that runs | > continuously, de-queueing and delivering messages. Works great, sofar. | > If anyone's interested in the diffs. let me know. (I mentioned | > this whence I first did this, bout a month ago, but noone seemed | > interested then. ) | | Send me this, please, but I am working on another sugestion. I | will made this: when one process begins with delivery, it makes | lock file mm_l.1 and so on. Locked files are skipped by another | processes. Sucessfull delivery removes both lock and data files, | unsuccesfull only lock file. | Danger on my solution is, that when mailman dies, the file is | locked forever (or probalby I can delete lock files older than X | from crond). | | Some opinion to this? | | cheers | dan | | ________________________________________ | DDDDDD | DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER | DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz | DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering | DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia | OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 | OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 | ________________________________________ | Pesimista vidi v ementalskem syru jen ty diry. | | | _______________________________________________ | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | From dragondm@delta.integral.org Sun Sep 27 01:05:16 1998 From: dragondm@delta.integral.org (The Dragon De Monsyne) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:05:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion In-Reply-To: <19980926180253.15995@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. 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(to use it you just eliminate the delivery attempts (i.e. any calls to OutgoingQueue.processQueue) elsewhere in the mailman code (my own mods to do this are a bit of a hack. 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So I have made it as follows. I haven't used flock module, becouse I think it is not good for this situacion. We can use it when there is reorganized code in Utis and OutgoinQueue, so it is too distributed. I haven't made backup before modifing my copy, so I cannot send diffs. My mailman is very different from oficial becouse it containst features like DSN, administrativ via filter, character set conversion .... and so I cannot made diff to clean distribution. Modification is very short. First in Utils.py in def TrySMTPDelivery(recipient, sender, text, queue_entry): is on end added if failure: from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger l = StampedLogger("smtp-failures", "TrySMTPDelivery", immediate=1) l.write("To %s:\n" % recipient) l.write("\t %s / %s\n" % (failure[0], failure[1])) l.flush() + import os, re + lock = re.sub('mm_q\.','mm_l\.',queue_entry) + os.unlink(lock) And in OutgoingQueue def dequeueMessage(msg): + import os, re + lock = re.sub('mm_q\.','mm_l\.',msg) try: os.unlink(msg) + os.unlink(lock) except: from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) l.flush() def processQueue(): + import os, re files = os.listdir(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR) for file in files: if TEMPLATE <> file[:len(TEMPLATE)]: continue full_fname = os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, file) + lock = re.sub('mm_q\.','mm_l\.',full_fname) + existence = os.stat(lock) + if not(S_ISREG(existence)): + continue + l = open(lock,"a+") + l.write(os.getpid()) + l.close() f = open(full_fname,"r") recip,sender,text = marshal.load(f) f.close() import Utils Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Neodkladej na zitrek, co dnes mohou udelat jini. From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Mon Sep 28 20:24:55 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:24:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue II. Message-ID: <199809281923.VAA26979@poli.feld.cvut.cz> My last code was not good. It worked fine in testlist with 2 persons, but when I setuped this in list with 500 members, it hated problems. First prosessing was slower than before, so there are more queue conflicts and there are also problems with synchronization of locks, where I have marged, that two processes had delivered the some message. I will try to find better solution. cheers dan ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Komunista je clovek, ktery ztratil veskere nadeje stat se kapitalistou From julian7@kva.hu Tue Sep 29 10:56:15 1998 From: julian7@kva.hu (Balazs Nagy) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:56:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] command handler patch (required) Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-757754089-907062975=:3222 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hiyas, This patch obsoletes my earlier digest patch. This diff fixes the digest problem and adds five new email commands: enable, disable, edit, put, setattr. With this patch you get access for all of the admin settings in www. Please apply it. 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11:56:15AM +0200 References: Message-ID: <19980929105902.55279@chronis.icgroup.com> On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 11:56:15AM +0200, Balazs Nagy wrote: | Hiyas, | | This patch obsoletes my earlier digest patch. This diff fixes the digest | problem which digest problem? | and adds five new email commands: enable, disable, edit, put, | setattr. With this patch you get access for all of the admin settings in | www. Wow! Just what I've been waiting for... I'll give'm a try and see what they can do for me. scott From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Tue Sep 29 18:00:56 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:00:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] vmailer and mailman Message-ID: <19980929130056.15828@chronis.icgroup.com> I've been running mailman with vmailer for a number of relatively small lists for a while now. In general, everything works fine between the two. However, On installation, I also had to wrestle with the parent UID and GID checks on the mail-wrapper since vmailer sets those values to various things depending on where the sender originates and, more recently, on the ownership of the aliases file. vmailer has decided to deal with mailling lists wrappers by handling the problem itself: the delivery process sets the UID and GID of the process to the owner of the aliases file when it delivers to programs or users in that file. This way, there should be no need for wrapper programs to run checks on processes started by mail. One way this can be approached is to set the parent UID and GID in the mail wrapper to the UID and GID of the owner of the relevant aliases file. Another way would be to eliminate the wrapper altogether for these processes using vmailer. For those of you unfamiliar with vmailer, it's an MTA by Wietse Venema that's under the late stages of alpha testing. It should go into public beta testing very soon (within a week?), and it's likely that it will be widely accepted as a sendmail replacement, judging from Wietse's past projects and talk in the newsgroups. I just thought it'd be a good idea to report about this combo should anyone else be curious, and see what people thought about trying to make mailman work out of the box a little more easily with vmailer. Is it worth checking for in configure to decide whether or not the mail-wrapper is necessary? scott From julian7@kva.hu Wed Sep 30 13:38:02 1998 From: julian7@kva.hu (Balazs Nagy) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:38:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] command handler patch (required) In-Reply-To: <19980929105902.55279@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Scott wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 11:56:15AM +0200, Balazs Nagy wrote: > | Hiyas, > | > | This patch obsoletes my earlier digest patch. This diff fixes the digest > | problem > > which digest problem? try if set digest changes your digest status now. > | and adds five new email commands: enable, disable, edit, put, setattr. > | With this patch you get access for all of the admin settings in www. > > Wow! Just what I've been waiting for... I'll give'm a try and see > what they can do for me. This is in the incremental patches of mine. You have to apply those (ie. the 'required' series) first. -- Linux Supporting Center -- Red Hat Qmail packages -- http://lsc.kva.hu PGP 0x1DE3631D / A8 B4 92 EE 1F 55 27 C8 86 64 9C 42 41 A4 BD B8 From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Tue Sep 1 13:15:44 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:15:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Localization of mailman Message-ID: <6ADF90C12B6@power.feld.cvut.cz> I have made Czech translations of "templates" directory. But I have some problems, which I will consult with You. First of them is, that Czech uses ISO-8859-2 character set. It is not problem with www, becouse my server automaticaly recodes documets in clients character set. But in mail message I need append header Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text-plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Currently used method of message generation doesn't allow header modification. There are two posibilities, include some headers to append, configurable in Defaults.py, or make templates including headers and change other function. In Bounce.py is hardcoded header with US-ASCII character set, it is unusable. I can made both and submit patch, but I will know, what You will prefer. Second problem. I think it will be nice, to switch language versions in responses by detecting top level domain in user adress, how will You find this? I am interested in any sugestions. cheers dan P.S.: For Ken, You are interested in my Delivery status notification patch. I have made new version which works with "The Dragon De Monsyne" stadard smtplib patch. I am currently testing ob it works fine. I will submit the patch in end of this week. ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Zeme je placata, deti nosi cap, a windows 95 jsou stabilni operacni system. From tismer@appliedbiometrics.com Wed Sep 2 02:05:51 1998 From: tismer@appliedbiometrics.com (Christian Tismer) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 03:05:51 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! Message-ID: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> Today I spent a couple of hours trying to get Mailman b5 running on the starship. Starship has Python 1.5 at the moment (for whatever reason), and the INSTALL file claims """ You must have the Python interpreter installed somewhere on your system. Currently Python 1.5 or later is required. For information about obtaining Python source code, or pre-compiled binaries please see the Python Web site at """ This is not true. This version will not even run with a standard 1.5.1 Python. Killer#1: The parameter-less "raise" statement is no 1.5.1 feature. Killer#2: The __stdin__ and other underscored system file names are no Python 1.5 features. This together makes the "scripts/driver" file die very early, with a confusing error message. In the driver script, I inserted this before any code: try: import sys sys.__stdin__ except: sys.__stdin__=sys.stdin sys.__stdout__=sys.stdout sys.__stderr__=sys.stderr ... Uhm, I'm hacking since 6 hours now, but don't get the list admin running under Linux. I fear I will turn back to 0.95 which worked. tired - pirx -- Christian Tismer :^) Applied Biometrics GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 101 : *Starship* http://starship.skyport.net 10553 Berlin : PGP key -> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu we're tired of banana software - shipped green, ripens at home From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Wed Sep 2 22:36:41 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> Message-ID: <13805.47721.524951.825965@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer writes: CT> This is not true. This version will not even run with a CT> standard 1.5.1 Python. CT> Killer#1: The parameter-less "raise" statement is no 1.5.1 CT> feature. CT> Killer#2: The __stdin__ and other underscored system CT> file names are no Python 1.5 features. Chris, I tried both of these under our vanilla 1.5.1 release: -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Python 1.5.1 (#21, Apr 23 1998, 18:08:12) [GCC 2.8.1] on sunos5 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> import sys >>> sys.__stdin__ ', mode 'r' at bb878> >>> try: 1/0 ... except ZeroDivisionError: raise ... Traceback (innermost last): File "", line 1, in ? ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo >>> This together makes the "scripts/driver" file die very early, with a confusing error message. In the driver script, I inserted this before any code: try: import sys sys.__stdin__ except: sys.__stdin__=sys.stdin sys.__stdout__=sys.stdout sys.__stderr__=sys.stderr .. Uhm, I'm hacking since 6 hours now, but don't get the list admin running under Linux. I fear I will turn back to 0.95 which worked. tired - pirx -- Christian Tismer :^) Applied Biometrics GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 101 : *Starship* http://starship.skyport.net 10553 Berlin : PGP key -> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu we're tired of banana software - shipped green, ripens at home _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Wed Sep 2 22:44:19 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> Message-ID: <13805.48179.53909.779126@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> [Damn! Sorry for the premature response. Let's try that again] >>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer writes: CT> This is not true. This version will not even run with a CT> standard 1.5.1 Python. CT> Killer#1: The parameter-less "raise" statement is no 1.5.1 CT> feature. CT> Killer#2: The __stdin__ and other underscored system CT> file names are no Python 1.5 features. Chris, I tried both of these under our vanilla 1.5.1 release: -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Python 1.5.1 (#21, Apr 23 1998, 18:08:12) [GCC 2.8.1] on sunos5 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> import sys >>> sys.__stdin__ ', mode 'r' at bb878> >>> try: 1/0 ... except ZeroDivisionError: raise ... Traceback (innermost last): File "", line 1, in ? ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo >>> -------------------- snip snip -------------------- I don't have 1.5 handy but I think you're probably right that neither will work in a 1.5 release. In any event, the current version of the driver tries to do sain things with sys.__stdout__ and sys.__stderr__ (I don't think sys.__stdin__ is actually referenced anywhere, but my grep could be missing it). -------------------- snip snip -------------------- # Python 1.5 doesn't have these by default. Let's make our lives easy if not hasattr(sys, '__stderr__'): sys.__stderr__ = sys.stderr if not hasattr(sys, '__stdout__'): sys.__stdout__ = sys.stdout -------------------- snip snip -------------------- I also thought that I had commented all the bare raises out of the code (leaving them for a time when we can better rely on its existance). I'm pretty sure all instances of re-raising do it the old-fashion way, but again, I might be missing something. Have you checked the current CVS snapshot? I include our latest driver script below. See if that helps you out. -Barry [ATTACHMENT ~/projects/mailman/scripts/driver, application/octet-stream] From tismer@appliedbiometrics.com Thu Sep 3 18:27:01 1998 From: tismer@appliedbiometrics.com (Christian Tismer) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 19:27:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> <13805.48179.53909.779126@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <35EED165.7D2217D9@appliedbiometrics.com> Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > [Damn! Sorry for the premature response. Let's try that again] > > >>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer writes: > > CT> This is not true. This version will not even run with a > CT> standard 1.5.1 Python. Yes I was wrong here. > CT> Killer#1: The parameter-less "raise" statement is no 1.5.1 > CT> feature. It is of course, my testing was wrong. > CT> Killer#2: The __stdin__ and other underscored system > CT> file names are no Python 1.5 features. > > Chris, I tried both of these under our vanilla 1.5.1 release: Yes, right, my claim is true for 1.5, 1.5.1 does it. > I don't have 1.5 handy but I think you're probably right that neither > will work in a 1.5 release. In any event, the current version of the > driver tries to do sain things with sys.__stdout__ and sys.__stderr__ > (I don't think sys.__stdin__ is actually referenced anywhere, but my > grep could be missing it). > > -------------------- snip snip -------------------- > # Python 1.5 doesn't have these by default. Let's make our lives easy > if not hasattr(sys, '__stderr__'): > sys.__stderr__ = sys.stderr > if not hasattr(sys, '__stdout__'): > sys.__stdout__ = sys.stdout > -------------------- snip snip -------------------- > > I also thought that I had commented all the bare raises out of the > code (leaving them for a time when we can better rely on its > existance). I'm pretty sure all instances of re-raising do it the > old-fashion way, but again, I might be missing something. > > Have you checked the current CVS snapshot? I include our latest > driver script below. See if that helps you out. > > -Barry > > [ATTACHMENT ~/projects/mailman/scripts/driver, application/octet-stream] I could not find an attachment, just the line above. Meanwhile I thought had all the __ things and raise statements out and got it running so far. Perhaps I missed something, since I never got the admin pages to work. I could not edit any list, and I gave up. Probably my fault, although - who did it get to run under Redhat Linux? Can someone give me a working Linux version for the Starship? I'm afraid to re-invent the wheel. How do I get at the CVS tree? thanks&cheers - pirx -- Christian Tismer :^) Applied Biometrics GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 101 : *Starship* http://starship.skyport.net 10553 Berlin : PGP key -> http://pgpkeys.mit.edu we're tired of banana software - shipped green, ripens at home From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Thu Sep 3 21:26:38 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <35EC99EF.728ECAB7@appliedbiometrics.com> <13805.48179.53909.779126@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <35EED165.7D2217D9@appliedbiometrics.com> Message-ID: <13806.64382.58268.605475@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> --6QK9bPyZ8q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: message body text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer writes: CT> I could not find an attachment, just the line above. I'll try again below as plaintext. CT> How do I get at the CVS tree? -Barry --6QK9bPyZ8q Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline; filename="driver" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #! /usr/bin/env python # # Copyright (C) 1998 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. # This better succeed. If this fails, Python is royally screwed so we might # as well let the Web server give us a fatal and obtrusive error. import sys # From here on we are as bulletproof as possible! # This function is useful for debugging. When an error occurs, this attaches # the file name to the exception string and re-raises. This will be # unnecessary in Python 1.5.2, which also does sensible things to most os # module functions. realopen = open def open(filename, mode='r', bufsize=-1, realopen=realopen): try: return realopen(filename, mode, bufsize) except IOError, e: strerror = e.strerror + ': ' + filename e.strerror = strerror e.filename = filename e.args = (e.args[0], strerror) # Python 1.5 raise e, None, sys.exc_info()[2] # Python 1.5.1 #raise import __builtin__ __builtin__.__dict__['open'] = open # This standard driver script is used to run CGI programs, wrapped in code # that catches errors, and displays them as HTML. This guarantees that # (almost) any problems in the Mailman software doesn't result in a Web server # error. It is much more helpful to generate and show a traceback, which the # user could send to the administrator, than to display a server error and # have to trudge through server logs. # Note: this isn't 100% perfect! Here are some things that can go wrong that # are not caught and reported as traceback-containing HTML: # # - This file could contain a syntax error. In that case, you would indeed # get a Web server error since this file wouldn't even compile, and there's # no way to catch that. # # - The sys module could be royally screwed, probably we couldn't import it. # Both those would indicate serious problems in the Python installation. # These won't generate Web server errors, but neither will they give # meaningful tracebacks. # # I consider these pretty unlikely. def run_main(): try: # These will ensure that even if something between now and the # creation of the real logger below fails, we can still get # *something* meaningful logger = None # insert the relative path to the parent of the Mailman package # directory, so we can pick up the Utils module import os # sys gets imported at module level below sys.path.insert(0, os.pardir) # map stderr to a logger, if possible from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger logger = StampedLogger('error', label='admin', manual_reprime=1, nofail=0, immediate=1) # The name of the module to run is passed in argv[1]. What we # actually do is import the module named by argv[1] that lives in the # Mailman.Cgi package. That module must have a main() function, which # we dig out and call. # scriptname = sys.argv[1] # See the reference manual for why we have to do things this way. # Note that importing should have no side-effects! pkg = __import__('Mailman.Cgi', globals(), locals(), [scriptname]) module = getattr(pkg, scriptname) main = getattr(module, 'main') try: main() except SystemExit: # this is a valid way for the function to exit pass except: print_traceback(logger) print_environment(logger) # We are printing error reporting to two places. One will always be stdout # and the other will always be the log file. It is assumed that stdout is an # HTML sink and the log file is a plain text sink. def print_traceback(logfp=None): if logfp is None: logfp = sys.__stderr__ try: import traceback except ImportError: traceback = None # write to the log file first logfp.write('[----- Traceback ------]\n') if traceback: traceback.print_exc(file=logfp) else: logfp.write('[failed to import module traceback]\n') logfp.write('[exc: %s, var: %s]\n' % sys.exc_info()[0:2]) # print to the HTML sink print """\ Content-type: text/html

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

"""
    if traceback:
        traceback.print_exc(file=sys.stdout)
    else:
        print '[failed to import module traceback]'
        print '[exc: %s, var: %s]' % sys.exc_info()[0:2]
    print '\n\n
' def print_environment(logfp=None): if logfp is None: logfp = sys.__stderr__ try: import os except ImportError: os = None # write to the log file first logfp.write('[----- Environment Variables -----]\n') if os: for k, v in os.environ.items(): logfp.write('\t%s: %s\n' % (k, v)) else: logfp.write('[failed to import module os]\n') # write to the HTML sink if os: print '''\

Environment variables:

''' for k, v in os.environ.items(): print '' print '
Variable Value
', k, '', v, '
' else: print '

[failed to import module os]' try: # Python 1.5 doesn't have these by default. Let's make our lives easy if not hasattr(sys, '__stderr__'): sys.__stderr__ = sys.stderr if not hasattr(sys, '__stdout__'): sys.__stdout__ = sys.stdout run_main() except: # Some exception percolated all the way back up to the top. This # generally shouldn't happen because the run_main() call is similarly # wrapped, but just in case, we'll give it one last ditch effort to report # problems to *somebody*. Most likely this will end up in the Web server # log file. try: print_traceback() print_environment() except: # Nope, we're quite screwed print """\ Content-type: text/html

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site. """ sys.__stderr__.write('[Mailman: low level unrecoverable exception]\n') --6QK9bPyZ8q-- From klm@python.org Fri Sep 4 03:51:23 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] fix for private archives mechanism Message-ID: <13807.21571.613572.45480@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us> Someone noticed that invalid passwords were being accepted for access to private archives. I tracked down the problem, and see that this problem applies to 1.0b4 and also 1.0b5 (we're still at 1.0b4 on python.org). Any of you running those versions of mailman with a private archive should apply this patch to private.py (in Mailman/Cgi/private.py in 1.0b5, and in scripts/private.py in 1.0b4). You may have to apply it by hand in 1.0b4 - it shouldn't be hard, just look for the exception line. Ken Manheimer klm@python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # Index: private.py =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -c -r1.4 -r1.5 *** private.py 1998/07/11 23:19:08 1.4 --- private.py 1998/09/04 02:44:44 1.5 *************** *** 148,154 **** try: listobj.ConfirmUserPassword( username, password) except (Errors.MMBadUserError, Errors.MMBadPasswordError): ! return 1 import base64, md5 token = md5.new(SECRET + list_name + SECRET).digest() --- 148,154 ---- try: listobj.ConfirmUserPassword( username, password) except (Errors.MMBadUserError, Errors.MMBadPasswordError): ! return 0 import base64, md5 token = md5.new(SECRET + list_name + SECRET).digest() From tomas@euronetics.se Fri Sep 4 04:11:58 1998 From: tomas@euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 05:11:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! Message-ID: <014201bdd7b1$c7a144a0$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> >Probably my fault, although - who did it get to run under Redhat >Linux? Can someone give me a working Linux version for the Starship? >I'm afraid to re-invent the wheel. I'm running Redhat 5.0, python 1.5.1 and a CVS snapshot of still in work Mailman 1.0b6. The overall function is satisfying for my current needs. I am still evaluating, not in production. Checking out the latest sources from CVS over network is a pretty cool thing although it takes a while of course. But I'm not sure it's a good thing to do for a live installation. Unless the active developers affirm it's safe and stable to do so. Tomas From tomas@euronetics.se Fri Sep 4 05:03:12 1998 From: tomas@euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 06:03:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Possible re-design for the cause of internationalization Message-ID: <014a01bdd7b8$efda5720$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm the guy trying to translate Mailman to Swedish. Currently the task of doing a translation is managable but very time = consuming. Further, since it involves editing code files it sure makes = you feel insecure about it. It also complicates the task of having the = code up to date with the main (american english) trunk although CVS can = do a good job to make that task less painful. Anyway, in order to avoid chaos in localized installations, there seem = to be a need to change the scheme of how to incorporate language = specific text in user presentations. There has already been some = postings about that. Unfortunately, using the "patch" approach will probably make the code = look "messy" and less readable. Therefore it might be a good idea to do = a re-design of the current text generation part of the code in Mailman. The question is, what is the proper procedure to achieve this? Is there currently an "architect" for Mailman? Is that person willing to coordinate such an efford? If a CVS branch is created for this purpose, how do you earn check-in = permission for that branch? Is there anybody out there who cares about this matter part from me (if = not, why bother)? Tomas ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, I'm the guy trying to translate = Mailman to=20 Swedish.
Currently the task of doing a translation is managable but very = time=20 consuming. Further, since it involves editing code files it sure makes = you feel=20 insecure about it. It also complicates the task of having the code up to = date=20 with the main (american english) trunk although CVS can do a good job to = make=20 that task less painful.
Anyway, in order to avoid chaos in localized installations, = there seem to=20 be a need to change the scheme of how to incorporate language specific = text in=20 user presentations. There has already been some postings about=20 that.
Unfortunately, using the = "patch"=20 approach will probably make the code look "messy" and less = readable.=20 Therefore it might be a good idea to do a re-design of the current text=20 generation part of the code in Mailman.
The question is, what is the proper procedure to = achieve=20 this?
Is there currently an "architect" for=20 Mailman?
Is that person willing to coordinate such an=20 efford?
If a CVS branch is created for this purpose, = how do you earn check-in permission for that = branch?
 
Is there anybody out there who cares about this = matter part=20 from me (if not, why bother)?
 
Tomas
 
------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540-- From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Fri Sep 4 15:51:57 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <014201bdd7b1$c7a144a0$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> Message-ID: <13807.65165.345200.114038@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TF" == Tomas Fasth writes: TF> Checking out the latest sources from CVS over TF> network is a pretty cool thing although it takes a while of TF> course. But I'm not sure it's a good thing to do for a live TF> installation. Unless the active developers affirm it's safe TF> and stable to do so. I would never recommend using the CVS snapshot for a production installation. That's most definitely not its purpose. When we do a labeled release, we're in effect saying we believe we've reached a stable milestone. Glad you like the CVS access though -- I think it's pretty cool too! -Barry From klm@python.org Fri Sep 4 16:40:37 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Possible re-design for the cause of internationalization In-Reply-To: <014a01bdd7b8$efda5720$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Tomas Fasth wrote: > Hi, I'm the guy trying to translate Mailman to Swedish. > Currently the task of doing a translation is managable but very time consuming. Further, since it involves editing code files it sure makes you feel insecure about it. It also complicates the task of having the code up to date with the main (american english) trunk although CVS can do a good job to make that task less painful. > Anyway, in order to avoid chaos in localized installations, there seem to be a need to change the scheme of how to incorporate language specific text in user presentations. There has already been some postings about that. > Unfortunately, using the "patch" approach will probably make the code look "messy" and less readable. Therefore it might be a good idea to do a re-design of the current text generation part of the code in Mailman. > The question is, what is the proper procedure to achieve this? > Is there currently an "architect" for Mailman? > Is that person willing to coordinate such an efford? > If a CVS branch is created for this purpose, how do you earn check-in permission for that branch? > > Is there anybody out there who cares about this matter part from me (if not, why bother)? These are good questions. I would say that there is interest in general for localization, and in fact we had started to think about that independently of your efforts. But i should stress "started" - i'd say we're currently in an early stage of mailman's release to the world, and concentrating as much as we can on getting a stable release with the current feature set. As it stands, the three of us who have been at the center (john, barry and i) are having less time than we hoped, for various and diverse reasons, to get to the first full release. And until we get there we will be trying to maintain a feature freeze, to avoid getting *further* away from our goal of a stable release. This does not mean that your efforts for internationalization will be for nought, but we probably will be quite slow and reluctant to adopt most structural changes until we get over the hump of 1.0final. So i'd say the upshot is that you're going to need to be patient - we've just gotten together a lot of the infrastructure (with stuff like the mailing lists, the public CVS tree, and the web site) for collaborative development, but that sort of stuff is less than half the picture - the substantial stuff will be procedures and policies for coordinating a larger effort, and we're only starting to look at that. Ken Manheimer klm@python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01BDD7C9.B3155540-- From tismer@appliedbiometrics.com Fri Sep 4 16:52:11 1998 From: tismer@appliedbiometrics.com (Christian Tismer) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:52:11 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <014201bdd7b1$c7a144a0$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> Message-ID: <35F00CAB.BBD36366@appliedbiometrics.com> Tomas Fasth wrote: > > >Probably my fault, although - who did it get to run under Redhat > >Linux? Can someone give me a working Linux version for the Starship? > >I'm afraid to re-invent the wheel. > > I'm running Redhat 5.0, python 1.5.1 and a CVS snapshot of still in work > Mailman 1.0b6. > The overall function is satisfying for my current needs. I am still > evaluating, not in production. > Checking out the latest sources from CVS over network is a pretty cool thing > although it takes a while of course. But I'm not sure it's a good thing to > do for a live installation. Unless the active developers affirm it's safe > and stable to do so. My problem is that I have to install a production release. But I upgraded the Machine to Python 1.5, not 1.5.1, and got into trouble after following the instructions. (Which claimed Py1.5 would do). Of course I can upgrade to Py 1.5.1, but if it's not necessary, this is a good compatibility check. Funny thing - in order to keep an installed system, I have to use a non-released beta of some other system. Somehow this is upside down, isn't it? cheers - pirx -- Christian Tismer :^) Applied Biometrics GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 101 : *Starship* http://starship.skyport.net 10553 Berlin : PGP key -> http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/ we're tired of banana software - shipped green, ripens at home From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Fri Sep 4 20:50:11 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Python 1.5 compatible ? no! References: <014201bdd7b1$c7a144a0$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> <35F00CAB.BBD36366@appliedbiometrics.com> Message-ID: <13808.17523.481401.725155@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> I am going to try to find some time to verify that the next Mailman snapshot works with Python 1.5. I've got to dig that up and install it, then run 1.0b6 against it. -Barry From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Fri Sep 4 22:54:52 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:54:52 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Possible re-design for the cause of internationalization In-Reply-To: References: <014a01bdd7b8$efda5720$f6d52dc1@bishop.twinspot.net> Message-ID: <6FFCE7039C3@power.feld.cvut.cz> On 4 Sep 98, at 11:40, Ken Manheimer wrote: > I would say that there is interest in general for localization, and in > fact we had started to think about that independently of your efforts. > But i should stress "started" - i'd say we're currently in an early > stage of mailman's release to the world, and concentrating as much as we > can on getting a stable release with the current feature set. I am also interested in localization too. I thik, it is OK to made stable version, but it is not so big change. I think it will be possible to made next version after this with localization support. The templates are very good start and next what we need is some function like def get_localized(text) return text We can suply this function on all positions and after this we can think about realization of this function. Standart distribution can have this function and our localized can have some other. I will post patches, where will be solved header problems of templates, but it is difficult, becouse when they will be included in further version, they can be unusable, becouse the source code can be another. cheers dan ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Pokrok je realizace utopii. From cklempay@acm.jhu.edu Thu Sep 10 19:35:50 1998 From: cklempay@acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] /home/mailman/cron/senddigests death Message-ID: Anyone seen this before? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Outside of every thin woman is a fat man trying to get in." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:00:02 -0400 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests deliver: parent uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 deliver child: uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 37, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 34, in main list.SendDigestIfAny() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 194, in SendDigestIfAny self.SendDigestOnSize(0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 206, in SendDigestOnSize self.SendDigest() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 291, in SendDigest self.DeliverToList(d.Present(mime=1), File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py", line 82, in DeliverToList status = cmdproc.close() IOError: (10, 'No child processes') ContactTransport in... ContactTransport out... From julian7@kva.hu Fri Sep 11 00:15:24 1998 From: julian7@kva.hu (Nagy Balazs) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:15:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Post ack patch [required] Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-750986000-905469324=:8757 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This patch fixes the annoying bug in acknowledge mail (the first character of subject was dropped). Please apply this patch. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-1071877117-905469427=:8757 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This patch fixes the bug in "set digest (on|off) " mail comand. Please apply. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-933902433-905469526=:8757 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This patch fixes the bug in make distclean. Please apply. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-70825359-905469676=:8757 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This patch enables -- as the end of commands (like end). Most maillist programs support this. Please apply it. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-1528156929-905469768=:8757 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This patch implements CGI extensions in the program. Please apply it. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-1258604244-905470171=:8880 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This patch sets everything for the usage with qmail. It can be turned off (default). To be switched on you have to edit mm_cfg's QMAIL variable. This is a temp. hack, it can be generalized for sendmail or such other MDAs. Please apply it. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 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Warsaw) Fri Sep 11 00:52:55 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] cgi extensions [add-on] References: Message-ID: <13816.26199.912453.441364@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Guys, Quick note to thank y'all for all the patches. I've been burning the midnight oil trying to finish up our Mailman paper, and John and Ken have also been busy with various things. I think after this is all done we're going to make a concerted push to address the patches and issues, get another release out, and strive for stability. Stay tuned! -Barry From cklempay@acm.jhu.edu Sat Sep 12 22:00:43 1998 From: cklempay@acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] run_queue problems... Message-ID: Seen this before? -- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:42:01 -0400 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ? OutgoingQueue.processQueue() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 38, in processQueue Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 201, in TrySMTPDelivery con.send(to=recipient,frm=sender,text=text) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 101, in send self.getresp() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 146, in getresp raise bad, resp smtplib.error_proto: 503 Need RCPT (recipient) From cklempay@acm.jhu.edu Sun Sep 13 06:13:16 1998 From: cklempay@acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Eeek! Message-ID: I'm getting this run_queue problem emailed to me _every half hour_...yipes! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "Outside of every thin woman is a fat man trying to get in." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:12:01 -0400 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ? OutgoingQueue.processQueue() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 38, in processQueue Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 201, in TrySMTPDelivery con.send(to=recipient,frm=sender,text=text) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 101, in send self.getresp() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 146, in getresp raise bad, resp smtplib.error_proto: 503 Need RCPT (recipient) From dragondm@delta.integral.org Sun Sep 13 20:24:11 1998 From: dragondm@delta.integral.org (The Dragon De Monsyne) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 14:24:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Eeek! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Sep 1998, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: > I'm getting this run_queue problem emailed to me _every half > hour_...yipes! There is a message with no recipients, or all bad local recipients stuck in the outgoing queue. look for a mm_q file in the data directory, and remove it. (the next thing will be to figure out how this happened) > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:12:01 -0400 > From: Cron Daemon > To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu > Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python > /home/mailman/cron/run_queue > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ? > OutgoingQueue.processQueue() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 38, in processQueue > Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 201, in TrySMTPDelivery > con.send(to=recipient,frm=sender,text=text) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 101, in send > self.getresp() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/smtplib.py", line 146, in getresp > raise bad, resp > smtplib.error_proto: 503 Need RCPT (recipient) > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > -The Dragon De Monsyne From bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Mon Sep 14 22:54:16 1998 From: bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] CVS account and password Message-ID: <13821.37000.770741.233829@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> There will be a small change in anonymous CVS access to the Mailman stuff. The new username is `mailmancvs' and the new password is `dogbyte'. The old username and password will continue to work for a little while, but it will eventually be disabled. Please change your setup accordingly (you may need to re-login). Let me know if you have any problems. Thanks, -Barry From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Fri Sep 18 20:35:56 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:35:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] -admin mail loop Message-ID: <19980918153556.41267@chronis.icgroup.com> I set up mailman recently (v.1.0b5) with python v1.5.1 and administor the site. There is a list run on the site with 3 list administrtors. One administrators mailbox filled up, and error messages went back to the -admin address, causing a mailloop. What's the status on -admin address bounce control? Anything I can do to help further it along? scott From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Fri Sep 18 21:29:01 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:29:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] -admin mail loop In-Reply-To: <19980918153556.41267@chronis.icgroup.com>; from Scott on Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 03:35:56PM -0400 References: <19980918153556.41267@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: <19980918162901.19894@chronis.icgroup.com> Should this be happening? Sep 16 11:29:19 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 91470 secs Sep 16 11:50:15 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 90214 secs Sep 16 12:39:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 87259 secs Sep 16 12:39:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 87259 secs Sep 16 13:10:57 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 85372 secs Sep 16 13:23:55 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84594 secs Sep 16 13:29:52 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84237 secs Sep 16 13:30:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84198 secs Sep 16 13:59:00 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 82489 secs . [many more entries] . . Sep 17 13:22:38 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - exceeded limits Sep 17 13:22:39 1998 Forpigssake: disabled pigtrnr@aol.com scott On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 03:35:56PM -0400, Scott wrote: | | I set up mailman recently (v.1.0b5) with python v1.5.1 and administor | the site. There is a list run on the site with 3 list | administrtors. One administrators mailbox filled up, and error | messages went back to the -admin address, causing a mailloop. | | What's the status on -admin address bounce control? Anything I can do | to help further it along? | | scott | | _______________________________________________ | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Fri Sep 18 22:56:38 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:56:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] -admin mail loop In-Reply-To: <19980918162901.19894@chronis.icgroup.com>; from Scott on Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 04:29:01PM -0400 References: <19980918153556.41267@chronis.icgroup.com> <19980918162901.19894@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: <19980918175638.14912@chronis.icgroup.com> Wouldn't it make sense to have the -admin address NOT set the envelope sender to -admin, but to pass the original envelope sender through? If this change was made, any person who mailed a -admin address that was down would receive the error message (rather than the defunct -admin address receiving its own error messages ). If a subscriber address were to become defunct and bounce, then the error message directed to the -admin address would have <> or mailer daemon or some such as the envelope sender. If the -admin address is defunct and preserved the original envelope sender, then the doubly bounced message would bounced back to the mailer daemon of the original error reporting MTA, which again wouldn't cause a loop or present any unusual problems. The question then is how would it effect messages automatically sent to the -admin address by mailman itself? Messages to approve or deny questionable post requests, and/or sending the passwords to the -admin address (if the option is set) would have to have an envelope sender set to something other than the -admin address. here we have a few options: 1) set the envelope sender to mailman-owner: this is intuitive, since it is mailman itself generating these messages. It is also a much safer bet that the mailman-owner address is functional than that all the -admin addresses are functional. 2) set the envelope sender to -request. This is also sortof intuitive since this class of messages are requests regarding the list. However, when messages to a -admin address bounce, the error message would be directed back to the -request address, which I believe would in turn respond to the mailer daemon of the MTA reporting the error with the -admin address. Confusing, but still no nasty mail loops like some of us have experienced. 3) set the envelope sender to a (new) system-wide -admin delivery error collecting address. something like mailman-owner-admin-errors. This would gracefully collect all the error messages in one place for examining. I don't like the look of "mailman-owner-admin-delivery-error-collector" or anything else I can think of with this functionality as an alias though. If we settle on a solution, I'll volunteer to do the coding. IMO the best of the above 3 options is #1. scott On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 04:29:01PM -0400, Scott wrote: | | Should this be happening? | | Sep 16 11:29:19 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 91470 secs | Sep 16 11:50:15 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 90214 secs | Sep 16 12:39:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 87259 secs | Sep 16 12:39:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 87259 secs | Sep 16 13:10:57 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 85372 secs | Sep 16 13:23:55 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84594 secs | Sep 16 13:29:52 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84237 secs | Sep 16 13:30:31 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 84198 secs | Sep 16 13:59:00 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - 0 more allowed over 82489 secs | . | [many more entries] | . | . | Sep 17 13:22:38 1998 Forpigssake: pigtrnr@aol.com - exceeded limits | Sep 17 13:22:39 1998 Forpigssake: disabled pigtrnr@aol.com | | | scott | | On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 03:35:56PM -0400, Scott wrote: | | | | I set up mailman recently (v.1.0b5) with python v1.5.1 and administor | | the site. There is a list run on the site with 3 list | | administrtors. One administrators mailbox filled up, and error | | messages went back to the -admin address, causing a mailloop. | | | | What's the status on -admin address bounce control? Anything I can do | | to help further it along? | | | | scott | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | | | | _______________________________________________ | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Sun Sep 20 15:32:31 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:32:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: -admin looping In-Reply-To: <19980918195210.48996@chronis.icgroup.com>; from Scott on Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 07:52:10PM -0400 References: <19980918195210.48996@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: <19980920103231.02506@chronis.icgroup.com> Hmm. I seem to have problems sending these messages. Below is a response I accidentally addressed to the -admin address. And here is yet another followup: The patch below will not function properly for lists whose subscriber list are identical to the owner address list. I don't think this is a normal situation, but it's probably best to make the change apply only to messages directed at the -admin address exclusively 100% of the time rather than 99.9+% of the time. At any rate, since I'm no longer in danger of getting into another -admin mail loop, I'll hold off until I hear something from one of the other subscribers on the list. I really hope this idea takes hold because as a mail administrator of an email forwarding service, I *know* it's a really bad idea to set the envelope sender of messages to a forwarding address (the -admin address) to the address itself. The envelope sender should be passed through. To leave the envelope sender the same is just inviting nasty mailloops... scott On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 07:52:10PM -0400, Scott wrote: | Sorry 'bout the headers on this guy, that's what happens when you mess | up in mutt have and 'edit_hdrs' set... | | | Anyway: | | On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 10:58:57PM +0000, Scott wrote: | | Wouldn't it make sense to have the -admin address NOT set the envelope | | sender to -admin, but to pass the original envelope sender through? | | | | If this change was made, any person who mailed a -admin address that | | was down would receive the error message (rather than the defunct | | -admin address receiving its own error messages ). | | | | If a subscriber address were to become defunct and bounce, then the | | error message directed to the -admin address would have <> or mailer | | daemon or some such as the envelope sender. If the -admin address is | | defunct and preserved the original envelope sender, then the doubly | | bounced message would bounced back to the mailer daemon of the | | original error reporting MTA, which again wouldn't cause a loop or | | present any unusual problems. | | | | The question then is how would it effect messages automatically sent | | to the -admin address by mailman itself? Messages to approve or deny | | questionable post requests, and/or sending the passwords to the | | -admin address (if the option is set) would have to have an envelope | | sender set to something other than the -admin address. here we have a | | few options: | | On second thought: with the idea of passing through the envelope | sender, I don't belive that messages generated by mailman need to be | altered at all, because any bounced message to a list owner address | will return to the -admin address only once, at which point the | envelope sender would no longer be "", but the mailer | daemon of the machine that bounced the message, so subsequent errors | would go to that postmaster. | | passing through the envelope senders may also cause errors with | mailers set up to disallow relaying, even in the event the connection | making the request is local. I think most mailers will allow this | *because* the connection *is* local, but some mailers or some | configurations may not. In this case, it makes sense to set the | envelope sender to mailman-owner. | | Below is a patch which sets the envelope sender to the sender of the | message being delivered to the -admin address. This will prevent | -admin bounces from causing a loop. If anyone wants to use this, and | they want to have the sender set to mailman-owner instead of the | original message sender, just replace "sender = msg.GetSender()" below | with "sender = "mailman-owner" and apply the patch. | | It is very bad to have -admin mail loops. | | scott | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | patch -set envelope sender of messages to -admin to sender of those messages | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | *** Mailman/Deliverer.py Fri Sep 18 19:25:28 1998 | --- /share/src/mailman-1.0b5/Mailman/Deliverer.py Mon Jul 27 18:48:31 1998 | *************** | *** 58,71 **** | del msg['reply-to'] | msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) | msg.headers.append('Sender: %s\n' % self.GetAdminEmail()) | ! # | ! # only add errors to -admin if the recipients aren't the | ! # list owners. we also set the envelope sender differently | ! # in this case below. avoidance of mail loops to -admin | ! # addresses must be strictly enforced. | ! # | ! if self.owner != recipients: | ! msg.headers.append('Errors-To: %s\n' % self.GetAdminEmail()) | msg.headers.append('X-BeenThere: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) | | cmd = "%s %s" % (mm_cfg.PYTHON, | --- 58,64 ---- | del msg['reply-to'] | msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) | msg.headers.append('Sender: %s\n' % self.GetAdminEmail()) | ! msg.headers.append('Errors-To: %s\n' % self.GetAdminEmail()) | msg.headers.append('X-BeenThere: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) | | cmd = "%s %s" % (mm_cfg.PYTHON, | *************** | *** 73,92 **** | cmdproc = os.popen(cmd, 'w') | | cmdproc.write("%d\n" % self.num_spawns) | ! # | ! # mailowner script calls this method and lists recipients as the | ! # owner addresses of the list. When a -admin address forwards | ! # to a defunct address, this causes the resulting bounced | ! # messages to go back to the -admin address, and there's a mail | ! # loop. So we work around this by passing the | ! # envelope sender of the original message through in this case | ! # instead of setting it to the -admin address. | ! # | ! if self.owner == recipients: | ! sender = msg.GetSender() | ! else: | ! sender = self.GetAdminEmail() | ! cmdproc.write("%s\n" % sender) | for r in recipients: | # Mustn't send blank lines before end of recipients: | if not r: continue | --- 66,72 ---- | cmdproc = os.popen(cmd, 'w') | | cmdproc.write("%d\n" % self.num_spawns) | ! cmdproc.write("%s\n" % self.GetAdminEmail()) | for r in recipients: | # Mustn't send blank lines before end of recipients: | if not r: continue | | | | | | | From klm@python.org Sun Sep 20 19:05:03 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman BOF at IPC 7? Message-ID: <13829.17038.33860.322036@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us> What would people think about having a birds-of-feather session for mailman developers (and users, etc) at the python conference, coming up in november? (See http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11 for conference details.) I think it'd be worthwhile to get face to face with folks, and discuss the development process and handling contributions, futures, etc... ken manheimer klm@python.org From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Mon Sep 21 00:46:11 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:46:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman BOF at IPC 7? In-Reply-To: <13829.17038.33860.322036@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us>; from Ken Manheimer on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 02:05:03PM -0400 References: <13829.17038.33860.322036@glyph.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <19980920194611.35116@chronis.icgroup.com> What's that url?!? scott On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 02:05:03PM -0400, Ken Manheimer wrote: | What would people think about having a birds-of-feather session for | mailman developers (and users, etc) at the python conference, coming | up in november? (See http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11 | for conference details.) I think it'd be worthwhile to get face to | face with folks, and discuss the development process and handling | contributions, futures, etc... | | ken manheimer | klm@python.org | | _______________________________________________ | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | From cklempay@acm.jhu.edu Tue Sep 22 17:02:50 1998 From: cklempay@acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Message-ID: I seem to be getting daily messages from senddigests...it normally barfs with a little more info, but today's was this sparse...any file I can check/delete to cure this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "The only difference between a rut and a grave are the dimensions." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:00:01 -0400 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests deliver: parent uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 deliver child: uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 ContactTransport in... ContactTransport out... From klm@python.org Tue Sep 22 17:43:38 1998 From: klm@python.org (Ken Manheimer) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] /home/mailman/cron/senddigests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: > I seem to be getting daily messages from senddigests...it normally barfs > with a little more info, but today's was this sparse...any file I can > check/delete to cure this? > [...] > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:00:01 -0400 > From: Cron Daemon > To: mailman@chimera.acm.jhu.edu > Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python > /home/mailman/cron/senddigests > > deliver: parent uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 > deliver child: uid 514, gid 100, egid 100 > ContactTransport in... > ContactTransport out... Whoops - corbett, this is from some residual debugging flags i put into your version of mailman, when i was trying to track down the linux permission problems (and, i gather, workaround for them - sounds like things are working for you now, for the most part). You should search in scripts/deliver for "deliver: parent uid" and for "deliver child: uid" for the prints and remove them, and search in scripts/contact_transport for "ContactTransport in..." and "ContactTransport out..." for the debugging prints, there. Sorry about the cruft! Also, sounds like there might be more - be on the lookout for it. In general i try to flag my debugging prints with "# DEBUG" at the end of the line, so you might try a grep for "DEBUG" through all the scripts to see if there's any more to remove. Let me know if you have troubles tracking it down, or questions... Ken From julian7@kva.hu Thu Sep 24 07:56:58 1998 From: julian7@kva.hu (Balazs Nagy) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:56:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] What about my patches? Message-ID: Hiyas, See $SUBJ. By the way I think Iam ready with administration email commands but the admin help isn't up to date. -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. PGP 0x1DE3631D / A8 B4 92 EE 1F 55 27 C8 86 64 9C 42 41 A4 BD B8 From John@list.org Thu Sep 24 14:28:00 1998 From: John@list.org (John Viega) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:28:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] What about my patches? In-Reply-To: ; from Balazs Nagy on Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 08:56:58AM +0200 References: Message-ID: <19980924062800.F10397@viega.org> Nagy, They'll definitely be going in. Unfortunately, I'm still trying to make time to do it myself, and other people seem to be just as busy. *Please* hang in there, we definitely don't want you to bail out on us because we have so little time on our end... John On Thu, Sep 24, 1998 at 08:56:58AM +0200, Balazs Nagy wrote: > Hiyas, > > See $SUBJ. By the way I think Iam ready with administration email commands > but the admin help isn't up to date. > -- > hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively > overcoming or circumventing limitations. > PGP 0x1DE3631D / A8 B4 92 EE 1F 55 27 C8 86 64 9C 42 41 A4 BD B8 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Fri Sep 25 19:38:49 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:38:49 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion Message-ID: <199809251837.UAA06624@poli.feld.cvut.cz> I become sometimes irriting error messages cannot unlink....... by queue processing. So I sugest this modification of dequeue function def dequeueMessage(msg): import os try: os.unlink(msg) except: from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) l.flush() I currently dont know why this error happens, I still searching. cheers dan ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Pocitac se od televizniho divaka lisi tim, ze ma vlastni program. From dragondm@delta.integral.org Fri Sep 25 22:16:47 1998 From: dragondm@delta.integral.org (The Dragon De Monsyne) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:16:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion In-Reply-To: <199809251837.UAA06624@poli.feld.cvut.cz> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER wrote: > I become sometimes irriting error messages cannot unlink....... by > queue processing. So I sugest this modification of dequeue > function > > def dequeueMessage(msg): > import os > try: > os.unlink(msg) > except: > from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger > l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) > l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) > l.flush() > > I currently dont know why this error happens, I still searching. Oh, I know why this happens. It's related to the duplicate delivery problem. Another proccess has delivered the queued message out from under the first one. (and deleted the queue file, which is why the first process cannot delete the message. ) I've actually fixed this problem, by the simple expediant of making all of the Mailman programs simply queue, and not try to deliver, outgoing messages. Then I have a modified run_queue program that runs continuously, de-queueing and delivering messages. Works great, sofar. If anyone's interested in the diffs. let me know. (I mentioned this whence I first did this, bout a month ago, but noone seemed interested then. ) -The Dragon De Monsyne From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Sat Sep 26 20:38:30 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:38:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion In-Reply-To: References: <199809251837.UAA06624@poli.feld.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <199809261937.VAA12660@poli.feld.cvut.cz> On 25 Sep 98, at 16:16, The Dragon De Monsyne wrote: > On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER wrote: > > > I become sometimes irriting error messages cannot unlink....... by > > queue processing. So I sugest this modification of dequeue > > function > > > > def dequeueMessage(msg): > > import os > > try: > > os.unlink(msg) > > except: > > from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger > > l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) > > l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) > > l.flush() > > > > I currently dont know why this error happens, I still searching. > > Oh, I know why this happens. It's related to the duplicate > delivery problem. Another proccess has delivered the queued message out > from under the first one. (and deleted the queue file, which is why the > first process cannot delete the message. ) Yes so it is probably done, but I think some messages, which are afected with this error aren't send duplicate. > > I've actually fixed this problem, by the simple expediant of > making all of the Mailman programs simply queue, and not try to deliver, > outgoing messages. Then I have a modified run_queue program that runs > continuously, de-queueing and delivering messages. Works great, sofar. > If anyone's interested in the diffs. let me know. (I mentioned > this whence I first did this, bout a month ago, but noone seemed > interested then. ) Send me this, please, but I am working on another sugestion. I will made this: when one process begins with delivery, it makes lock file mm_l.1 and so on. Locked files are skipped by another processes. Sucessfull delivery removes both lock and data files, unsuccesfull only lock file. Danger on my solution is, that when mailman dies, the file is locked forever (or probalby I can delete lock files older than X from crond). Some opinion to this? cheers dan ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Pesimista vidi v ementalskem syru jen ty diry. From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Sat Sep 26 23:02:53 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion In-Reply-To: <199809261937.VAA12660@poli.feld.cvut.cz>; from Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER on Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 09:38:30PM +0200 References: <199809251837.UAA06624@poli.feld.cvut.cz> <199809261937.VAA12660@poli.feld.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <19980926180253.15995@chronis.icgroup.com> I personally like the idea of locking the files more than I like the idea of a daemon delivering queued mail because there will always be the worry that something accidentally kills the daemon process while no admin is around. Lock timeouts sound like a good solution and are already available in the file locking module. scott On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 09:38:30PM +0200, Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER wrote: | On 25 Sep 98, at 16:16, The Dragon De Monsyne wrote: | | > On Fri, 25 Sep 1998, Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER wrote: | > | > > I become sometimes irriting error messages cannot unlink....... by | > > queue processing. So I sugest this modification of dequeue | > > function | > > | > > def dequeueMessage(msg): | > > import os | > > try: | > > os.unlink(msg) | > > except: | > > from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger | > > l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) | > > l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) | > > l.flush() | > > | > > I currently dont know why this error happens, I still searching. | > | > Oh, I know why this happens. It's related to the duplicate | > delivery problem. Another proccess has delivered the queued message out | > from under the first one. (and deleted the queue file, which is why the | > first process cannot delete the message. ) | | Yes so it is probably done, but I think some messages, which are | afected with this error aren't send duplicate. | | | > | > I've actually fixed this problem, by the simple expediant of | > making all of the Mailman programs simply queue, and not try to deliver, | > outgoing messages. Then I have a modified run_queue program that runs | > continuously, de-queueing and delivering messages. Works great, sofar. | > If anyone's interested in the diffs. let me know. (I mentioned | > this whence I first did this, bout a month ago, but noone seemed | > interested then. ) | | Send me this, please, but I am working on another sugestion. I | will made this: when one process begins with delivery, it makes | lock file mm_l.1 and so on. Locked files are skipped by another | processes. Sucessfull delivery removes both lock and data files, | unsuccesfull only lock file. | Danger on my solution is, that when mailman dies, the file is | locked forever (or probalby I can delete lock files older than X | from crond). | | Some opinion to this? | | cheers | dan | | ________________________________________ | DDDDDD | DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER | DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz | DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering | DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia | OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 | OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 | ________________________________________ | Pesimista vidi v ementalskem syru jen ty diry. | | | _______________________________________________ | Mailman-Developers maillist - Mailman-Developers@python.org | http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers | From dragondm@delta.integral.org Sun Sep 27 01:05:16 1998 From: dragondm@delta.integral.org (The Dragon De Monsyne) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:05:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue sugestion In-Reply-To: <19980926180253.15995@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. 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(to use it you just eliminate the delivery attempts (i.e. any calls to OutgoingQueue.processQueue) elsewhere in the mailman code (my own mods to do this are a bit of a hack. 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So I have made it as follows. I haven't used flock module, becouse I think it is not good for this situacion. We can use it when there is reorganized code in Utis and OutgoinQueue, so it is too distributed. I haven't made backup before modifing my copy, so I cannot send diffs. My mailman is very different from oficial becouse it containst features like DSN, administrativ via filter, character set conversion .... and so I cannot made diff to clean distribution. Modification is very short. First in Utils.py in def TrySMTPDelivery(recipient, sender, text, queue_entry): is on end added if failure: from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger l = StampedLogger("smtp-failures", "TrySMTPDelivery", immediate=1) l.write("To %s:\n" % recipient) l.write("\t %s / %s\n" % (failure[0], failure[1])) l.flush() + import os, re + lock = re.sub('mm_q\.','mm_l\.',queue_entry) + os.unlink(lock) And in OutgoingQueue def dequeueMessage(msg): + import os, re + lock = re.sub('mm_q\.','mm_l\.',msg) try: os.unlink(msg) + os.unlink(lock) except: from Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger l = StampedLogger("queue", "DequeueMessage", immediate=1) l.write("Cannot remove:\t %s\n" % msg) l.flush() def processQueue(): + import os, re files = os.listdir(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR) for file in files: if TEMPLATE <> file[:len(TEMPLATE)]: continue full_fname = os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, file) + lock = re.sub('mm_q\.','mm_l\.',full_fname) + existence = os.stat(lock) + if not(S_ISREG(existence)): + continue + l = open(lock,"a+") + l.write(os.getpid()) + l.close() f = open(full_fname,"r") recip,sender,text = marshal.load(f) f.close() import Utils Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Neodkladej na zitrek, co dnes mohou udelat jini. From Dan@feld.cvut.cz Mon Sep 28 20:24:55 1998 From: Dan@feld.cvut.cz (Dan Ohnesorg, admin of POWER) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:24:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Outgoin queue II. Message-ID: <199809281923.VAA26979@poli.feld.cvut.cz> My last code was not good. It worked fine in testlist with 2 persons, but when I setuped this in list with 500 members, it hated problems. First prosessing was slower than before, so there are more queue conflicts and there are also problems with synchronization of locks, where I have marged, that two processes had delivered the some message. I will try to find better solution. cheers dan ________________________________________ DDDDDD DD DD Dan Ohnesorg, supervisor on POWER DD OOOO Dan@feld.cvut.cz DD OODDOO Dep. of Power Engineering DDDDDD OO CTU FEL Prague, Bohemia OO OO work: +420 2 24352785;+420 2 24972109 OOOO home: +420 311 679679;+420 311 679311 ________________________________________ Komunista je clovek, ktery ztratil veskere nadeje stat se kapitalistou From julian7@kva.hu Tue Sep 29 10:56:15 1998 From: julian7@kva.hu (Balazs Nagy) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:56:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] command handler patch (required) Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---456965764-757754089-907062975=:3222 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hiyas, This patch obsoletes my earlier digest patch. This diff fixes the digest problem and adds five new email commands: enable, disable, edit, put, setattr. With this patch you get access for all of the admin settings in www. Please apply it. 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11:56:15AM +0200 References: Message-ID: <19980929105902.55279@chronis.icgroup.com> On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 11:56:15AM +0200, Balazs Nagy wrote: | Hiyas, | | This patch obsoletes my earlier digest patch. This diff fixes the digest | problem which digest problem? | and adds five new email commands: enable, disable, edit, put, | setattr. With this patch you get access for all of the admin settings in | www. Wow! Just what I've been waiting for... I'll give'm a try and see what they can do for me. scott From scott@chronis.icgroup.com Tue Sep 29 18:00:56 1998 From: scott@chronis.icgroup.com (Scott) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:00:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] vmailer and mailman Message-ID: <19980929130056.15828@chronis.icgroup.com> I've been running mailman with vmailer for a number of relatively small lists for a while now. In general, everything works fine between the two. However, On installation, I also had to wrestle with the parent UID and GID checks on the mail-wrapper since vmailer sets those values to various things depending on where the sender originates and, more recently, on the ownership of the aliases file. vmailer has decided to deal with mailling lists wrappers by handling the problem itself: the delivery process sets the UID and GID of the process to the owner of the aliases file when it delivers to programs or users in that file. This way, there should be no need for wrapper programs to run checks on processes started by mail. One way this can be approached is to set the parent UID and GID in the mail wrapper to the UID and GID of the owner of the relevant aliases file. Another way would be to eliminate the wrapper altogether for these processes using vmailer. For those of you unfamiliar with vmailer, it's an MTA by Wietse Venema that's under the late stages of alpha testing. It should go into public beta testing very soon (within a week?), and it's likely that it will be widely accepted as a sendmail replacement, judging from Wietse's past projects and talk in the newsgroups. I just thought it'd be a good idea to report about this combo should anyone else be curious, and see what people thought about trying to make mailman work out of the box a little more easily with vmailer. Is it worth checking for in configure to decide whether or not the mail-wrapper is necessary? scott From julian7@kva.hu Wed Sep 30 13:38:02 1998 From: julian7@kva.hu (Balazs Nagy) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:38:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Developers] command handler patch (required) In-Reply-To: <19980929105902.55279@chronis.icgroup.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Scott wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 11:56:15AM +0200, Balazs Nagy wrote: > | Hiyas, > | > | This patch obsoletes my earlier digest patch. This diff fixes the digest > | problem > > which digest problem? try if set digest changes your digest status now. > | and adds five new email commands: enable, disable, edit, put, setattr. > | With this patch you get access for all of the admin settings in www. > > Wow! Just what I've been waiting for... I'll give'm a try and see > what they can do for me. This is in the incremental patches of mine. You have to apply those (ie. the 'required' series) first. -- Linux Supporting Center -- Red Hat Qmail packages -- http://lsc.kva.hu PGP 0x1DE3631D / A8 B4 92 EE 1F 55 27 C8 86 64 9C 42 41 A4 BD B8