[IronPython] IronPython in Visual Studio 2008

Wed Jan 20 12:03:50 CET 2010

Dear Michael Foord,

The short answer is no. The Wing debugger is written in C. The SharpDevelop
> debugger (written in C#) does work with IronPython though.
>

It's not that white or black. If the IronPython code does not call windows
application run, then you can step through the code. You are right, that for
windows forms SharpDevelop is back to old fashion logs or informative
message boxes .

--
Jan

2010/1/20 Michael Foord <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk>

>  On 20/01/2010 02:34, Dino Viehland wrote:
>
>  Does Wing now work w/ IronPython for debugging now that we added
> sys.settrace in 2.6?
>
> Does settrace work? I've seen two questions about it in as many days that
> are as yet unanswered.
>
> The short answer is no. The Wing debugger is written in C. The SharpDevelop
> debugger (written in C#) does work with IronPython though.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com [
> mailto:users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com<users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com>]
> *On Behalf Of *Vernon Cole
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:17 PM
> *To:* Discussion of IronPython
> *Subject:* Re: [IronPython] IronPython in Visual Studio 2008
>
>
>
> Vincent:
>
> I will try the first part of an answer to your question.  It is a long
> question, so you will probably get lots of different answers...
>
> There are several different implementations of Python. I will talk about
> the two which are most common on Windows systems. I use both.
>
> CPython is implemented in the C++ language and uses the traditional (or
> OLD, depending on your point of view) method of operating a Windows
> program.  It is much more mature, starts up much faster, and has lots of
> available modules, including numpy, scipy and countless others. You find it
> at http://python.org. <http://python.org%20> To do Windows specific things
> with it, you also need pywin32 <http://sourceforge.net/projects/pywin32>.  It can be used on a web server, and several web engines such as django,
> are written using it.  It cannot be used as a client script on a web page.
>
> IronPython is new, written by Microsoft in the C# language, and uses the
> new .NET way of hooking things together.  It is a VERY good implementation
> of standard Python, but since many of the add-on libraries were written in
> C++, not C#, you cannot link to them. There is a package called IronClad
> which seeks to make this happen, often successfully. (
> http://www.resolversystems.com/products/ironclad/ .) IronPython also
> suffers from the frustrating habit of ALL .NET implementations of taking
> several seconds (which at times feels like several minutes) to start a new
> process running. So while it may often be FASTER than CPython after it
> finally gets going, don't even THINK about using it for a quick command-line
> script.  On the other hand, if you are trying to interface with a new .NET
> project, it is only reasonable way to go.  It also runs on the Silverlight
> platform, so can be used as a scripting language for a web client page, not
> only a server page.
>
> I have heard nothing but BAD reports about using Iron Python Studio.
> However, there are several Integrated Development Environments which work
> with CPython, IronPython, or both.  I, personally, use Wing for debugging,
> and the IDE which is built in to pywin32 for rough work.
>
> Will Python code run as fast as C, or C++, or C# code?  No.  (or almost
> never.)  Will it run fast enough that a human user will never notice the
> difference?  Almost always.  So what you do is prototype in Python, where
> you are most productive, then if you find that some part of your system
> actually needs the performance boost, you recode that piece in C++ (or C#).
> I find that design changes usually do much more to boost perceived speed
> than compiler changes do.  Python excels at that.
>
> So welcome aboard.  You have discovered a great tool.
> --
> Vernon Cole
>
>  On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Vicent <vginer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello to all.
>
>
>
> This is my first message to the list. I would like to ask you some basic
> questions about IronPython. First of all, sorry for my English.
>
>
>
> I've just discovered IronPython, and I am actually a new-by in Python, not
> an expert programmer. So maybe you'll find my questions quite simple or
> naive.
>
>
>
> I read the first chapter of the classic book for IronPython (
> http://www.manning.com/foord/SampleChapter1.pdf), and in pages 7-8 the
> author says:
>
>
>
> "Visual Studio 2008 integration exists in the form of IronPython Studio,
> which is implemented through the Visual Studio Shell extensibility
> framework. IronPython Studio can either be run standalone (without requiring
> Visual Studio to be installed) or integrated into Visual Studio. It includes
> Windows Forms and WPF designers and is capable of producing binary
> executables from Python projects."
>
>
>
> I am very interested in fully understanding this sentence above, because I
> currently use C++ in MS Visual Studio 2008, but I like Python more.
>
>
>
> So, with IronPython + Visual Studio 2008:
>
>
>
> (1) Can I obtain compiled code from Python source, as efficient/fast/etc.
> as if it was made from C++?
>
> (2) Can I obtain executables (programs that people can install and use, in
> the "normal user" language) as good/fast/efficient as I would obtain using
> Visual C++?
>
> (3) Can I easily link my Python code with existing external C/C++
> libraries?
>
> (4) (Similar to the previous one) Can I easily link my Python code with
> some C/C++ source code (I mean, mixing up Python and C in the same project,
> in a transparent way)?
>
> (5) Can I use NumPy, SciPy and other key (scientific) Python libraries in a
> transparent way?
>
>
>
> (or am I just dreaming??)
>
>
>
> Any answer will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Vicent Giner
>
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