[IPython-dev] Installation docs out of date
MinRK
benjaminrk at gmail.com
Fri Feb 13 17:12:44 EST 2015
Thanks! That's a different repo: https://github.com/ipython/ipython-website
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ian Bell <ian.h.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to put together a PR for this, but I can't find the right
> source file to edit, its not this one:
> https://github.com/ipython/ipython/blob/master/docs/source/install/install.rst
>
> I want to edit this file: http://ipython.org/install.html
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Ian Bell <ian.h.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sometimes you have no choice but to fall back to pip when conda chokes on
>> a package that it doesn't understand. So I have a hodgepodge of
>> pip-installed and conda-installed packages on my machine, and until conda
>> fully supports pip, it looks like it is going to stay that way.
>>
>> I'm fine not using pip and using conda, but the conda docs should tell
>> you how to get everything up and running easily with ipython. Adding the
>> line described in this thread would probably do it.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Ryan Nelson <rnelsonchem at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Min,
>>>
>>> I just posted a little note about the pip issue on the Anaconda mailing
>>> list. We'll see what they say about including it by default.
>>> Hopefully, this solves Ian's problem.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:12 PM, MinRK <benjaminrk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, we can probably add some clarifications.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's a huge mistake that conda allows installing Python without
>>>> pip. This really shouldn't be allowed.
>>>>
>>>> -MinRK
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Ryan Nelson <rnelsonchem at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. The docs (http://ipython.org/install.html) should probably
>>>>> mention this if they are going to reference conda specifically. However, it
>>>>> is a conda-specific issue, so it might be more appropriate to point users
>>>>> to the continuum documentation instead. Especially, given that the IPython
>>>>> docs suggest installing the full Anaconda package (which has notebook) and
>>>>> do not mention Miniconda, which it looks like you are using. You can search
>>>>> the conda package repository pretty easily:
>>>>> http://conda.pydata.org/docs/examples/search.html
>>>>> But I agree that this it is not well documented.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have miniconda on a Linux distro, and fresh environments don't
>>>>> install pip. This caused some problems for me at first because it was using
>>>>> the system pip, which was no good. Do you have another Python install on
>>>>> your computer? You could do a `conda install pip` and make sure you have
>>>>> the Continuum version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just out of curiosity, why would use want to use pip at all? It might
>>>>> be safer to install things using conda exclusively. You might run into
>>>>> problems with pip when you are trying to install modules that require
>>>>> compiled components such as Qt4/5. For example, the command `conda install
>>>>> ipython ipython-notebook ipython-qtconsole` will install ipython and all
>>>>> the dependencies, including a precompiled version of the Qt libraries. I
>>>>> don't think a `pip install pyqt4` will do that. (?) See here for more:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20994716/what-is-the-difference-between-pip-and-conda
>>>>> However, the answer here is a little misleading because the
>>>>> conda-installed pip will install packages that are conda-aware. That is,
>>>>> I've installed packages with the conda version of pip, and `conda list`
>>>>> will show these packages as being installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Ian Bell <ian.h.bell at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Ryan Nelson <rnelsonchem at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With Anaconda, you can use `conda` to install these packages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $ source activate your_env # Not necessary for root environment
>>>>>>> $ conda install ipython ipython-notebook ipython-qtconsole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly this should be on the website. Its not obvious what conda
>>>>>> package is required to get full notebook support. The
>>>>>>
>>>>>> conda update ipython
>>>>>>
>>>>>> command doesn't do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Ian Bell <ian.h.bell at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried to install ipython+dependencies on a new machine, and it
>>>>>>>> dies when it tries to install the dependencies:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C:\Users\ihb>pip install ipython[all]
>>>>>>>> Requirement already satisfied (use --upgrade to upgrade):
>>>>>>>> ipython[all] in
>>>>>>>> c:\users\ihb\appdata\local\continuum\miniconda\lib\site-packages
>>>>>>>> Exception:
>>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>> File
>>>>>>>> "C:\Users\ihb\AppData\Local\Continuum\Miniconda\lib\site-packages\pip\basecommand.py",
>>>>>>>> line 232, in main
>>>>>>>> status = self.run(options, args)
>>>>>>>> File
>>>>>>>> "C:\Users\ihb\AppData\Local\Continuum\Miniconda\lib\site-packages\pip\commands\install.py",
>>>>>>>> line 339, in run
>>>>>>>> requirement_set.prepare_files(finder)
>>>>>>>> File
>>>>>>>> "C:\Users\ihb\AppData\Local\Continuum\Miniconda\lib\site-packages\pip\req\req_set.py",
>>>>>>>> line 436, in prepare_files
>>>>>>>> req_to_install.extras):
>>>>>>>> File
>>>>>>>> "C:\Users\ihb\AppData\Local\Continuum\Miniconda\lib\site-packages\pip\_vendor\pkg_resources\__init__.py",
>>>>>>>> line 2504, in requires
>>>>>>>> "%s has no such extra feature %r" % (self, ext)
>>>>>>>> UnknownExtra: ipython 2.4.1 has no such extra feature 'all'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My python:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Python 2.7.8 |Continuum Analytics, Inc.| (default, Jul 2 2014,
>>>>>>>> 15:12:11) [MSC v.1500 64 bit (AMD64)] on win32
>>>>>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more
>>>>>>>> information.
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