From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 1 09:11:40 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:41:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Status of registration In-Reply-To: <201003301240.33105.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <9963e56e1003291155xb91a3ecnd557db7c406571ef@mail.gmail.com> <201003301240.33105.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:40, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > it was registered yesterday and we will get the number today Just wanted to say Congratulations :) -- vid || http://svaksha.com From lawgon at thenilgiris.com Thu Apr 1 13:16:39 2010 From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:46:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: <9963e56e1003291155xb91a3ecnd557db7c406571ef@mail.gmail.com> <201003301240.33105.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004011646.40142.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> On Thursday 01 Apr 2010 12:41:40 pm ?????? wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:40, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > it was registered yesterday and we will get the number today > > Just wanted to say Congratulations :) > number is 50/2010 in case anyone is interested -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 14:36:33 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:06:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Status of registration In-Reply-To: <201004011646.40142.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> References: <9963e56e1003291155xb91a3ecnd557db7c406571ef@mail.gmail.com> <201003301240.33105.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004011646.40142.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 01 Apr 2010 12:41:40 pm ?????? wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:40, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> > it was registered yesterday and we will get the number today >> >> Just wanted to say Congratulations :) >> > > number is 50/2010 in case anyone is interested Excellent! I'll talk to Sree as soon as he gets back and send you the address proofs for the bank account. Once we get that open, we can start focussing on conducting the next conference. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 1 14:39:36 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 18:09:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: <9963e56e1003291155xb91a3ecnd557db7c406571ef@mail.gmail.com> <201004011646.40142.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> Message-ID: <201004011809.36507.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 01 Apr 2010 6:06:33 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > number is 50/2010 in case anyone is interested > > Excellent! > I'll talk to Sree as soon as he gets back and send you the address > proofs for the bank account. Once we get that open, we can start > focussing on conducting the next conference. > what is amazing is that a small place like Ooty has registered 50 societies in the first quarter of this year. Who *are* these guys? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From kausikram at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 16:29:23 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:59:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status of registration Message-ID: A big congratulation to all the members of in PyCon. thanks go to every person here who has contributed to achieve this moment. A big shout of appreciation for kenneth who has done most of the running around. FTW! -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kenneth has done a great job of herding cats :) Now there is no reason to postpone it to Nov/Dec. Lets have the Chennai pycon in September as suggested earlier. -- vid || http://svaksha.com From ramdaz at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 17:29:43 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:59:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:59 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > A big congratulation to all the members of in PyCon. > thanks go to every person here who has contributed to achieve this moment. > A big shout of appreciation for kenneth who has done most of the running > around. > > FTW! > Let's set the agenda for next Pycon. Please plan and come up with an expense chart to start off! > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 18:47:10 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 22:17:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: <9963e56e1003291155xb91a3ecnd557db7c406571ef@mail.gmail.com> <201003301240.33105.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004011646.40142.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:23 PM, ?????? wrote: [..] > Absolutely. Kenneth has done a great job of herding cats :) Now there > is no reason to postpone it to Nov/Dec. Lets have the Chennai pycon in > September as suggested earlier.[..] The account needs to be created and the September will be exactly like last time. We need to think about this a while. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 05:44:47 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:14:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:59 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > A big congratulation to all the members of in PyCon. > thanks go to every person here who has contributed to achieve this moment. > A big shout of appreciation for kenneth who has done most of the running > around. > Yes, the group owes Kenneth a lot for his work and follow-ups in getting this done. All the work was done by him, the rest essentially did some email and paper pushing. > > FTW! > > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anand.shashwat at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 05:51:31 2010 From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:21:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yayyy... Awesome job everyone. Regarding the next PyCon count me in as a volunteer. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:59 PM, kausikram krishnasayee < > kausikram at gmail.com> wrote: > >> A big congratulation to all the members of in PyCon. >> thanks go to every person here who has contributed to achieve this moment. >> A big shout of appreciation for kenneth who has done most of the running >> around. >> > > Yes, the group owes Kenneth a lot for his work and follow-ups > in getting this done. 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All the work was done by him, the rest essentially >> did some email and paper pushing. >> > Most importantly we saved somewhere around 10-15 K > >> >>> FTW! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kausikram Krishnasayee >>> Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | >>> Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | >>> Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> --Anand >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vid at svaksha.com Fri Apr 2 07:05:33 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:35:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] pycon in september or postpone(?) [was] Status of registration Message-ID: Forked the thread. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 22:17, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:23 PM, ?????? wrote: > [..] >> Absolutely. Kenneth has done a great job of herding cats :) Now there >> is no reason to postpone it to Nov/Dec. Lets have the Chennai pycon in >> September as suggested earlier.[..] > > The account needs to be created and the September will be exactly like > last time. We need to think about this a while. I am not sure I understood what "September will be exactly like last time" means. IIRC, thusfar: 0. The money is out of Janatsu's account in the form of a DD (which i presume is with you till #2 happens). 1. Soc has been registered with the number 50/2010. 2. Sree is back in Bangalore and you all with Kenneth (who has already confirmed that the account) will soon finish the bank account process at the Indiranagar Branch. Did I miss something that precludes a pycon in september and why we are looking at postponing it to Nov/Dec. Can folks from chennai comment on this too please? Do you forsee organising problems, venue problems...etc? vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 11:42:54 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:12:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] pycon in september or postpone(?) [was] Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:35 AM, ?????? wrote: > Forked the thread. > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 22:17, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:23 PM, ?????? wrote: >> [..] >>> Absolutely. Kenneth has done a great job of herding cats :) Now there >>> is no reason to postpone it to Nov/Dec. Lets have the Chennai pycon in >>> September as suggested earlier.[..] >> >> The account needs to be created and the September will be exactly like >> last time. We need to think about this a while. > > I am not sure I understood what "September will be exactly like last > time" means. IIRC, thusfar: > 0. The money is out of Janatsu's account in the form of a DD (which i > presume is with you till #2 happens). It's in the form of a cheque which is what Dinesh preferred and so is still in Janatsu's account. > 1. Soc has been registered with the number 50/2010. > 2. Sree is back in Bangalore and you all with Kenneth (who has already > confirmed that the account) will soon finish the bank account process > at the Indiranagar Branch. "Soon finish" is what we wanted to do six months ago. I don't know what other hurdles we will have to face. The important points are that it's not done yet and we don't know when it will be. > Did I miss something that precludes a pycon in september and why we > are looking at postponing it to Nov/Dec. Can folks from chennai > comment on this too please? Do you forsee organising problems, venue > problems...etc? Work on the last conference began in late April/early May of 2009. We're roughly in the same period of time right now and our ambitions are higher. There were lots of problems with the last event which sprung primarily from a lack of time and I'm not looking forward to repeating every single mistake again. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 11:54:33 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:24:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Ramdas S wrote: [..] > Most importantly we saved somewhere around 10-15 K[..] And spent around 6 months of time. I'm happy that the society registration is done but the long term aim for this year is to hold a conference and we still have a long way to go. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Sat Apr 3 11:57:37 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:27:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] =?iso-8859-1?q?Registration_Complete=2C_the_Journey_Beg?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ins=2E_=7Bwas=7D_Status_=09of_registration?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004031527.38092.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Friday 02 Apr 2010 3:24:33 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > [..] > > > Most importantly we saved somewhere around 10-15 K[..] > > And spent around 6 months of time. > well, if we want to combine the AGM with the conference, then we have to do it before end of september. AGM has to be before end of september. And last year we spent the first three months deciding whether to have a conference at all, what software to use for the conference (that took a couple of months). So we are ahead in these things. We also have some sort of organisaitonal structure in place - so we are ahead there too. and do not forget the original idea was to register the society *before* the conference. So it is much more than 6 months. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Sat Apr 3 13:00:26 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:30:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status of registration In-Reply-To: <201004031527.38092.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004031527.38092.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: well, if we want to combine the AGM with the conference, then we have to do > it > before end of september. AGM has to be before end of september. And last > year > we spent the first three months deciding whether to have a conference at > all, > what software to use for the conference (that took a couple of months). So > we > are ahead in these things. We also have some sort of organisaitonal > structure > in place - so we are ahead there too. > > and do not forget the original idea was to register the society *before* > the > conference. So it is much more than 6 months. To be fair I think the call on the conference need to be taken by Chennai team ie Kausik & gang! I think as a first step they must have a meeting in Chennai, and then come up with a sound plan, budgets and things like that, and rest of us should then do our bit to support the plan! But a physical meeting of the volunteers is a must. I think we need to then announce stuff on the web site. Start with some promotions in blogs etc, and then search for sponsorships. Gte content, speakers and other stuff and just get ahead. I feel we have enough time on hand. We are early April. Last year things went full steam only in June.... -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Sat Apr 3 13:15:32 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:45:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: <201004031527.38092.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Ramdas S wrote: >[..] > To be fair I think the call on the conference need to be taken by? Chennai > team ie Kausik & gang!? I think as a first step they must have a meeting in > Chennai, and then come up with a sound plan, budgets and things like that, > and rest of us should then do our bit to support the plan! But a physical > meeting of the volunteers is a must. > > I think we need to then announce stuff on the web site. > > Start with some promotions in blogs etc, and then search for sponsorships. > Gte content, speakers and other stuff and just get ahead. > > I feel we have enough time on hand. We are early April. Last year things > went full steam only in June....[..] The bank account needs to be created but yes we should start matters. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Sat Apr 3 14:05:52 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 17:35:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] =?iso-8859-1?q?Registration_Complete=2C_the_Journey_Beg?= =?iso-8859-1?q?ins=2E_=7Bwas=7D_Status_=09of_registration?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004031735.52189.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Saturday 03 Apr 2010 4:45:32 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I feel we have enough time on hand. We are early April. Last year things > > went full steam only in June....[..] > > The bank account needs to be created but yes we should start matters. > and one other thing - we need to enroll members. That is we need a form, potential members fill it in, the committee considers it and if approved the member needs to pay 100 application fee and 500 a year. Also we have to look for corporate and institutional members at 5000 a year and possibly donor members at above 1L. This money will help grease the wheels. Payment will of course have to be by netbanking. If all goes well, the bank account number will be available some time next week and this process can start. Another thing - the mentality of Indian companies is such that they almost never commit to sponsorships months in advance. They usually do it at the last possible moment. I do not know if this is company policy around here or the fact that for foss/oss conferences the companies are only approached at the last moment. Which is silly in my opinion as it does not matter to companies whether the money is paid on 1st of April or on 31st of March in the next year. The other unhealthy trend is to announce an event not more than a month or so in advance - sometimes a few weeks in advance. If we can establish a tradition of holding the event along with the AGM in September every year, then this year we have six months time and the next year we have 18 months time. Although I agree we should be more ambitious this year, let us temper our ambitions with ground realities and the number of people we have to work actively and the amount of time they have. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From vid at svaksha.com Sat Apr 3 14:41:39 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:11:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] pycon in september or postpone(?) [was] Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 15:12, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > "Soon finish" is what we wanted to do six months ago. I don't know > what other hurdles we will have to face. The important points are that > it's not done yet and we don't know when it will be. > [.........] > > Work on the last conference began in late April/early May of 2009. > We're roughly in the same period of time right now and our ambitions > are higher. > There were lots of problems with the last event which sprung primarily > from a lack of time and I'm not looking forward to repeating every > single mistake again. Gee, lets not get too pessimistic. Considering that its a bunch of volunteers trying to do things with minimum f2f, maximum transparency (as possible) via impersonal online communications, its pretty good progress. Since you were leading the organisational effort last year you'd know what mistakes to avoid so please list them out so we can discuss how to minimise it and do better this time. Why dont we start with a list of activities that would (should?) be undertaken by Chennai volunteers. They'd be in a better position to comment on the city, their organising requirements (catering, banners, t-shirt, etc...) or venue (which needs a date and we are still discussing if we should postpone :/). While on it we also need to be more organised like this : http://us.pycon.org/2010/about/staff/. Lets ping for volunteers in advance and to minimise MIA situations keep 2-3 people for key roles. -- vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Sat Apr 3 14:52:37 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:22:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] pycon in september or postpone(?) [was] Status of registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, ?????? wrote: [..] > Since you were leading the organisational effort last year you'd know > what mistakes to avoid so please list them out so we can discuss how > to minimise it and do better this time. [..] First things first. Let's get the account out of the way. No account => No sponsors => No conference. I have some personal work over the weekend so I'll be a little tied up till Tuesday. I have some notes from the last BangPypers meetingr regarding the conf. which I'll send out as after casting them into proper shape and we can use that as a starting point. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 05:56:14 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:26:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status ?of registration In-Reply-To: <201004031735.52189.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004031735.52189.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <20100405035614.GB2003@remy> On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 05:35:52PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > of holding the event along with the AGM in September every year, then this What is AGM? Regards to you, Kenneth in keeping up with this one. Thank you! -- Senthil So so is good, very good, very excellent good: and yet it is not; it is but so so. -- William Shakespeare, "As You Like It" From satyaakam at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 06:07:52 2010 From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:37:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration Complete, the Journey Begins. {was} Status ?of registration In-Reply-To: <20100405035614.GB2003@remy> References: <201004031735.52189.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100405035614.GB2003@remy> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 05:35:52PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > of holding the event along with the AGM in September every year, then > this > > What is AGM? > Annual General Meeting -Satya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But our net presence is a mess. http://wiki.python.org/moin/IPSSByeLaws?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=linkto%3A%22IPSSByeLaws%22 we need volunteers to format the pages properly and also put up an application form for admission of members. Please do not respond here, just go ahead and do it - and then report here. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 12:32:11 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 16:02:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Society Membership (was Re: volunteers needed) Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > > as all of you know, the moment we ?get our bank account number, we will be > launching a drive to enroll members. I have spoken to many individuals and > corporates who are willing to enroll. But our net presence is a mess.[..] What do we get from corporates enrolling apart from money? What do they get if they enroll? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Mon Apr 5 12:32:21 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 16:02:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Society Membership (was Re: volunteers needed) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004051602.21953.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Monday 05 Apr 2010 4:02:11 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > hi, > > > > as all of you know, the moment we get our bank account number, we will > > be launching a drive to enroll members. I have spoken to many individuals > > and corporates who are willing to enroll. But our net presence is a > > mess.[..] > > What do we get from corporates enrolling apart from money? > What do they get if they enroll? > we get support, like conference rooms for holding local python user group meetings. They get recruits, and advertisement. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 12:41:58 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 16:11:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Society Membership (was Re: volunteers needed) In-Reply-To: <201004051602.21953.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004051602.21953.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> > > we get support, like conference rooms for holding local python user group > meetings. They get recruits, and advertisement. We can have a section on society website for python job posting and members can have an option of subscribing for new job posts alerts. This will attract corporates to enroll for the membership. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 12:42:35 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 16:12:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Society Membership (was Re: volunteers needed) In-Reply-To: <201004051602.21953.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004051602.21953.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 05 Apr 2010 4:02:11 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> > hi, >> > >> > as all of you know, the moment we ?get our bank account number, we will >> > be launching a drive to enroll members. I have spoken to many individuals >> > and corporates who are willing to enroll. But our net presence is a >> > mess.[..] >> >> What do we get from corporates enrolling apart from money? >> What do they get if they enroll? >> > > we get support, like conference rooms for holding local python user group > meetings. They get recruits, and advertisement. Ah. That makes sense. This would be an ongoing thing independent of the conference itself wouldn't it? IT would be nice to have a well connected person or two leading this. A publicity in charge of sorts.. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 12:43:48 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 16:13:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Society Membership (was Re: volunteers needed) In-Reply-To: References: <201004051602.21953.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > On Monday 05 Apr 2010 4:02:11 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > >> > hi, > >> > > >> > as all of you know, the moment we get our bank account number, we > will > >> > be launching a drive to enroll members. I have spoken to many > individuals > >> > and corporates who are willing to enroll. But our net presence is a > >> > mess.[..] > >> > >> What do we get from corporates enrolling apart from money? > >> What do they get if they enroll? > >> > > > > we get support, like conference rooms for holding local python user group > > meetings. They get recruits, and advertisement. > > Ah. That makes sense. This would be an ongoing thing independent of > the conference itself wouldn't it? IT would be nice to have a well > connected person or two leading this. A publicity in charge of sorts.. > Good suggestion. AFAIK Ramdas is ideal for this. > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Getting a matching grant from the (state) and central governments is fairly easy as long as we show transparency in operation and corporate support. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 09:45:14 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:15:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > > > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/IPSSByeLaws?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=linkto%3A%22IPSSByeLaws%22 > > we need volunteers to format the pages properly and also put up an > application > form for admission of members. Please do not respond here, just go ahead > and > do it - and then report here. > Done. 41) and hence declared that wiki formats based on whitespace is an absolute # fail. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you Kousik. :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 6 10:56:07 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:26:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 1:15:14 pm kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > > do it - and then report here. > > Done. > > 41) and hence declared that wiki formats based on whitespace is an absolute > # fail. > agreed - a very tedious task, thanks for the good work -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 6 11:04:13 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:34:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 2:26:07 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 1:15:14 pm kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > > > do it - and then report here. > > > > > > Done. > > > > 41) and hence declared that wiki formats based on whitespace is an > > absolute # fail. > > > > agreed - a very tedious task, thanks for the good work > and here is one more: http://wiki.python.org/moin/IPSSMOA (I tried but failed) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 6 11:12:37 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:42:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004061442.37728.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 2:34:13 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > 41) and hence declared that wiki formats based on whitespace is an > > > absolute # fail. > > > > > > > > > agreed - a very tedious task, thanks for the good work > > > > and here is one more: http://wiki.python.org/moin/IPSSMOA (I tried but > failed) > btw, we need to categorise our society documents so that they are easily found. PythonIndia has some language files. How about IndianPythonSociety? We have to add things like the application form, list of founder members, list of committee members, and other things like members list, minutes, job postings ... And how does search work in the wiki? I try things like MOA and IPSS and get nil results. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 11:24:22 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:54:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > > and here is one more: http://wiki.python.org/moin/IPSSMOA (I tried but > failed) Done. next time i am writing a python script to do the task :D -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 6 11:29:38 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:59:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004061459.38672.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 2:54:22 pm kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > Done. > next time i am writing a python script to do the task :D > in fact I am amazed that there is no script to convert odt to moinmoin (there used to be one published by sun, but I could not find it recently. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 13:10:50 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:40:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <201004061442.37728.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061442.37728.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <20100406111050.GB6664@remy> On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 02:42:37PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > btw, we need to categorise our society documents so that they are easily > found. PythonIndia has some language files. How about IndianPythonSociety? We > have to add things like the application form, list of founder members, list of > committee members, and other things like members list, minutes, job postings > ... And how does search work in the wiki? I try things like MOA and IPSS and > get nil results. > -- Kenneth, Is this all needed? Why don't we keep it simple that this society is just for holding money in the account. Let the python jobs etc be managed by the python.org website itself. There is list for conference too. While I appreciate the details you are going into, I wish we do something minimalistic that would keep us going and concentrate on small things while we let our friends (PSF) who are already doing the other work carry on with what they are doing (conference lists, jobs board, etc etc). -- Senthil From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 13:16:51 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:46:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <20100406111050.GB6664@remy> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061442.37728.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100406111050.GB6664@remy> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 02:42:37PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> btw, we need to categorise our society documents so that they are easily >> found. PythonIndia has some language files. How about IndianPythonSociety? We >> have to add things like the application form, list of founder members, list of >> committee members, and other things like members list, minutes, job postings >> ... And how does search work in the wiki? I try things like MOA and IPSS and >> get nil results. >> -- > > Kenneth, > > Is this all needed? Why don't we keep it simple that this society is > just for holding money in the account. Let the python jobs etc be > managed by the python.org website itself. There is ?list for > conference too. No harm in the stuff which Kenneth proposing as long as it's a separate thread. I'm more interested in the conference side of things but the stuff Kenneth's mentioned are certainly valuable for a society. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 13:25:34 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:55:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061442.37728.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100406111050.GB6664@remy> Message-ID: <20100406112534.GC6664@remy> On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 04:46:51PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > No harm in the stuff which Kenneth proposing as long as it's a > separate thread. I'm more interested in the conference side of things > but the stuff Kenneth's mentioned are certainly valuable for a > society. > I personally see it is a problematic, that is why I raised the concern. It requires more work and more volunteer time. I can choose not to mind it, But as a suggestion, I would say that if things can be minimalistic, it would be better. -- Senthil From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 13:26:59 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:56:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <20100406112534.GC6664@remy> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061426.07510.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061434.13545.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061442.37728.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100406111050.GB6664@remy> <20100406112534.GC6664@remy> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 04:46:51PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> No harm in the stuff which Kenneth proposing as long as it's a >> separate thread. I'm more interested in the conference side of things >> but the stuff Kenneth's mentioned are certainly valuable for a >> society. >> > > I personally see it is a problematic, that is why I raised the > concern. It requires more work and more volunteer time. I can choose > not to mind it, But as a suggestion, I would say that if things can be > minimalistic, it would be better.[..] Assuming that the primary intention of the society is to streamline the conference organisation, if people spend time on the sundry items while the conf. work needs volunteers, it's a problem. Otherwise, it's fine. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 6 13:24:44 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:54:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <20100406111050.GB6664@remy> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061442.37728.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100406111050.GB6664@remy> Message-ID: <201004061654.45069.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 4:40:50 pm Senthil Kumaran wrote: > Is this all needed? Why don't we keep it simple that this society is > just for holding money in the account. Let the python jobs etc be > managed by the python.org website itself. There is list for > conference too. well, I am being minimalistic. A society has to be recognised if it is to have a bank account. So it needs certain basic things - publicly available documents, members list, office bearers list, minimal number of members, regularly conducted committee meetings with proper minutes, AGM done every year on time. These things will not happen by themselves. There has to be some number of ordinary members and corporate/institutional members else the society will die. Also we need to show some activity in order to get 80G exemption - otherwise we will be paying tax on donations and sponsorships. I would say that to keep the society alive we would need some 50-100 members and maybe 4-5 institutional/corporate members. > > While I appreciate the details you are going into, I wish we do > something minimalistic that would keep us going and concentrate on > small things while we let our friends (PSF) who are already doing the > other work carry on with what they are doing (conference lists, jobs > board, etc etc). well this was a suggestion from a member - *I* am just concentrating on what needs to be done to keep the society from being derecognised. If others come forward to do extras it is fine. I agree that lot of societies 'get by' with doing practically nothing - and in my days as a lawyer I have earned a lot of money replying to departmental show cause notices as to why the society should not be derecognised. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 13:45:17 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:15:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] volunteers needed In-Reply-To: <201004061654.45069.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004051551.11229.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004061442.37728.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100406111050.GB6664@remy> <201004061654.45069.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <20100406114517.GD6664@remy> On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 04:54:44PM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > well, I am being minimalistic. A society has to be recognised if it is to have > a bank account. So it needs certain basic things - publicly available > documents, members list, office bearers list, minimal number of members, > regularly conducted committee meetings with proper minutes, AGM done every > year on time. These things will not happen by themselves. There has to be some > number of ordinary members and corporate/institutional members else the > society will die. Also we need to show some activity in order to get 80G > exemption - otherwise we will be paying tax on donations and sponsorships. I I see. That makes sense. Is our discussions in this counted? If yes, then we are active! :) Plus we have yearly conference too with 100+ signups. > doing practically nothing - and in my days as a lawyer I have earned a lot of > money replying to departmental show cause notices as to why the society should > not be derecognised. yeah, then you are best person to judge. :) -- Senthil From ramdaz at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 14:15:16 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:45:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership Message-ID: Hi, Please start suggesting plausible paid membership benefits. Some I could think of are 1) 50% or 100% DISCOUNT of on delegate fees for Pycon conference attendees, if the attendee is already PSFI member. 2) 5similarly 50% or 100% discount to all delegates who are employee/members of a corporate/institutional member. Any other benefits -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramkrsna at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 14:27:56 2010 From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:57:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > Some I could think of are > > 1) 50% or 100% DISCOUNT of on delegate fees for Pycon conference attendees, > if the attendee is already PSFI member. WoAh! 100 % discount ?!. 50% discount is acceptable for Life Members. If we have an option of membership tiers. 30 % is fine for annual members. Student Members can get it at further discounted rate and perhaps partial travel fund to attend the conference.( Like II sleeper class or 3AC min to travel to the conference) > 2) 5similarly 50% or 100% discount to all delegates who are employee/members > of a corporate/institutional member. Corporates get bragging rights ;-) And a mention on the website and may be a vote in the AGM regards -- Ramakrishna Reddy GPG Key ID:31FF0090 Fingerprint = 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090 From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 14:32:21 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:02:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote: > > Corporates get bragging rights ;-) And a mention on the website and > may be a vote in the AGM woot! voting rights to a corporate ? That is not a good idea IMHO. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From lawgon at thenilgiris.com Tue Apr 6 14:33:32 2010 From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:03:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004061803.32965.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 5:45:16 pm Ramdas S wrote: > Please start suggesting plausible paid membership benefits. > let us worry about benefits later, at first let us look at people who are willing to pay 500 a year to keep the society going. There are a lot of boring mundane tasks to be done for that and the best way is to get some retired person to come in a few days a week to look after them. I mean who wants to run around printing letter heads, making seals, sticking minutes in the minute book and going to the registrars office to file returns. (we need to file an IT return this year also). If we have around 50 members, this is doable. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 6 14:34:53 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:04:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004061804.53421.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 6:02:21 pm Vivek Khurana wrote: > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy wrote: > > Corporates get bragging rights ;-) And a mention on the website and > > may be a vote in the AGM > > woot! voting rights to a corporate ? That is not a good idea IMHO. > it is there in the byelaws - each corporate gets one vote and there is a bar to having more than 2 people from a particular corporate in the committee at the same time. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From anand.shashwat at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 14:42:41 2010 From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:12:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: <201004061804.53421.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004061804.53421.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: What will be the membership fee for students ? How and by when do we have to pay them ? On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 6:02:21 pm Vivek Khurana wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy > wrote: > > > Corporates get bragging rights ;-) And a mention on the website and > > > may be a vote in the AGM > > > > woot! voting rights to a corporate ? That is not a good idea IMHO. > > > > it is there in the byelaws - each corporate gets one vote and there is a > bar > to having more than 2 people from a particular corporate in the committee > at > the same time. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(disclaimer: I was only helping out with the smaller bugs so I cannot comment about code integration with the existing inpycon site.) -- vid || http://svaksha.com From anandology at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 15:06:35 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:36:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/4/6 Ramdas S : > Hi, > > Please start suggesting plausible paid membership benefits. > > Some I could think of are > > 1) 50% or 100% DISCOUNT of on delegate fees for Pycon conference attendees, > if the attendee is already PSFI member. > > 2) 5similarly 50% or 100% discount to all delegates who are employee/members > of a corporate/institutional member. > > > Any other benefits Where is this leading? Are we trying to create a bureaucratic structure over the society? Why don't we just stick to the initial plan that the society is only for managing funds for conference and concentrate the focus on next conference? Anand From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 18:43:52 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 22:13:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Where is this leading? 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Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 22:57:08 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 02:27:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:13 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: >> Where is this leading? Are we trying to create a bureaucratic >> structure over the society? >> Why don't we just stick to the initial plan that the society is only >> for managing funds for conference and concentrate the focus on next >> conference? > > i think all these discussions are leading to one basic thing. trying to > decouple the fund raising mechanism from the conference. today we are > completely dependent on sponsors for all our needs. if the decoupling is > done successfully, as kenneth put it, it would be easier to run the > conference from the corpus. again , i do not suggest that we hoard money. > if we could brainstorm a way by which we can decouple raising funds from > running the event then it will make life easier for all of us.?[..] Divorcing the fund raising from conducting the conference is a good thing but I think it's important to invite/involve coporates at every conference. Commercial entities are part of the community and shouldn't be excluded. I don't think much of a conf. that's got absolutely no corporate involvement. I want the conf. to be a place where Pythonistas can meet potential employers. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 06:03:12 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:33:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:13 PM, kausikram krishnasayee > wrote: > >> Where is this leading? Are we trying to create a bureaucratic > >> structure over the society? > >> Why don't we just stick to the initial plan that the society is only > >> for managing funds for conference and concentrate the focus on next > >> conference? > > > > i think all these discussions are leading to one basic thing. trying to > > decouple the fund raising mechanism from the conference. today we are > > completely dependent on sponsors for all our needs. if the decoupling is > > done successfully, as kenneth put it, it would be easier to run the > > conference from the corpus. again , i do not suggest that we hoard money. > > if we could brainstorm a way by which we can decouple raising funds from > > running the event then it will make life easier for all of us. [..] > > Divorcing the fund raising from conducting the conference is a good > thing but I think it's important to invite/involve coporates at every > conference. Commercial entities are part of the community and > shouldn't be excluded. I don't think much of a conf. that's got > absolutely no corporate involvement. I want the conf. to be a place > where Pythonistas can meet potential employers.-- > I second this. We should have around the year drive, to get in members, corporate, individuals and students! However the conference must be funded by sponsors. Idea is to do it bigger and better every year, and you need to target more funds and utilize them judiciously. Other option is to do mini conferences in other cities, surplus funds and corpus funds created can be utilized to meet any shortfalls of such conferences. > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are we trying to create a bureaucratic >> >> structure over the society? >> >> Why don't we just stick to the initial plan that the society is only >> >> for managing funds for conference and concentrate the focus on next >> >> conference? >> > >> > i think all these discussions are leading to one basic thing. trying to >> > decouple the fund raising mechanism from the conference. today we are >> > completely dependent on sponsors for all our needs. if the decoupling is >> > done successfully, as kenneth put it, it would be easier to run the >> > conference from the corpus. again , i do not suggest that we hoard >> money. >> > if we could brainstorm a way by which we can decouple raising funds from >> > running the event then it will make life easier for all of us. [..] >> >> Divorcing the fund raising from conducting the conference is a good >> thing but I think it's important to invite/involve coporates at every >> conference. Commercial entities are part of the community and >> shouldn't be excluded. I don't think much of a conf. that's got >> absolutely no corporate involvement. I want the conf. to be a place >> where Pythonistas can meet potential employers.-- >> > > > I second this. We should have around the year drive, to get in members, > corporate, individuals and students! > > However the conference must be funded by sponsors. Idea is to do it bigger > and better every year, and you need to target more funds and utilize them > judiciously. > > Other option is to do mini conferences in other cities, surplus funds and > corpus funds created can be utilized to meet any shortfalls of such > conferences. > > > >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 07:59:37 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:29:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So, any comments? The silence is deafening. :) On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Hello everyone, > ? I have created a namespace at the wiki PyConIndia2010 and put a > page there listing the things we have to do. This was based on a > discussion we had at the last BangPypers meeting at ThoughtWorks. > We'll keep all the docs inside this page. > > ? The page is up at > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/InitialActionPlan and > contains the list of things we need to do. If it's incomplete, please > flesh it out but keep the formatting clean please. > > ? We need to discuss each of the items properly. I'd recommend a > separate thread for each top level item so thatit's easier to stay > focus and track things. > > Thanks. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 08:25:36 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:55:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > So, any comments? The silence is deafening. :) > > > ~noufal > > http://nibrahim.net.in > > > > Went thru the winki page Is the venue debate still on? Or are we frozen on Chennai? Chennai Pythonistas, please stand up and be counted..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From srp at ideadevice.com Wed Apr 7 08:28:04 2010 From: srp at ideadevice.com (Saju Pillai) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:58:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> Will a online poll inviting BangPypers to choose between Bangalore, Chennai, other locations work ? Also, does location affect the sponsors ? Do they want a say in it ? -srp -- www.ideadevice.com Ramdas S wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> So, any comments? The silence is deafening. :) >> >>> ~noufal >>> http://nibrahim.net.in >>> >> > Went thru the winki page > > Is the venue debate still on? Or are we frozen on Chennai? > > Chennai Pythonistas, please stand up and be counted..... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 08:42:35 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:12:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> References: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Saju Pillai wrote: > Will a online poll inviting BangPypers to choose between Bangalore, Chennai, > other locations work ? It's a decision to be made based on practical concerns. I don't think a popularity contest is the right way to go for this. I'd welcome a pros and cons. > > Also, does location affect the sponsors ? Do they want a say in it ? Well, we don't have any yet so as of now no. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From srp at ideadevice.com Wed Apr 7 08:45:23 2010 From: srp at ideadevice.com (Saju Pillai) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:15:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: <4BBC2A03.9050808@ideadevice.com> Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Saju Pillai wrote: >> Will a online poll inviting BangPypers to choose between Bangalore, Chennai, >> other locations work ? > > It's a decision to be made based on practical concerns. I don't think > a popularity contest is the right way to go for this. Choosing a location preferred by the largest number of delegates is a practical fact you can feed into the decision process. -srp > > I'd welcome a pros and cons. > > >> Also, does location affect the sponsors ? Do they want a say in it ? > > Well, we don't have any yet so as of now no. > > From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 08:53:06 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:23:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <4BBC2A03.9050808@ideadevice.com> References: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> <4BBC2A03.9050808@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Saju Pillai wrote: > Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Saju Pillai wrote: >>> >>> Will a online poll inviting BangPypers to choose between Bangalore, >>> Chennai, >>> other locations work ? >> >> It's a decision to be made based on practical concerns. I don't think >> a popularity contest is the right way to go for this. > > Choosing a location preferred by the largest number of delegates is a > practical fact you can feed into the decision process.[..] We don't have any delegates as of now and I don't think you're going to get many votes either way. What are the pros and cons? That would be a better starting point IMHO -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 08:57:37 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:27:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> <4BBC2A03.9050808@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: > > We don't have any delegates as of now and I don't think you're going > to get many votes either way. What are the pros and cons? That would > be a better starting point IMHO > Sponsorship is an important criterion and also is the number of delegates who will attend... Some sponsors will prefer a location over other. At least most small cos will do. But it won't matter to a larger company an IBM or Google. If I remember right, last year we had an official offer from Chennai Python User Group including A/C halls etc. We must wait for their reconfirmation and status of interest > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(the barcamp happening this sunday is scheduled to take place in the venue i am talking about) Finally option c would be for kenneth to get hold of either anna university or MIT which again i persume is doable. if things are good we can start on this one. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(there > were some 30 students from this college at the last InPyCon). we can also go > ahead and talk to another college which is bang in the middle of the city, > with two AC halls and some good classroom, but talks for that have not > started yet. (the barcamp happening this sunday is scheduled to take place > in the venue i am talking about) > This sounds good. What is name of this college ? > Finally option c would be for kenneth to get hold of either anna university > or MIT which again i persume is doable. > Hmmm... I don't see why you need to bother Kenneth in Ooty for this, why don't start local queries yourselves ? Someone has to take charge of driving this in Chennai if this has to work out. > > if things are good we can start on this one. > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(there > were some 30 students from this college at the last InPyCon). we can also go > ahead and talk to another college which is bang in the middle of the city, > with two AC halls and some good classroom, but talks for that have not > started yet. (the barcamp happening this sunday is?scheduled?to take place > in the venue i am talking about) > Finally option c would be for kenneth to get hold of either anna university > or MIT which again i persume is doable. > if things are good we can start on this one. Our last conference was at an educational institution. RubyconfIndia (and the PyCon in the US) was at a hotel/auditorium. The difference was obvious. Don't you all think it would be better to go for a hotel/auditorium rather than an educational institution? what do you feel? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 09:56:53 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:26:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> <4BBC2A03.9050808@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Saju Pillai wrote: > > Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Saju Pillai > wrote: > >>> > >>> Will a online poll inviting BangPypers to choose between Bangalore, > >>> Chennai, > >>> other locations work ? > >> > >> It's a decision to be made based on practical concerns. I don't think > >> a popularity contest is the right way to go for this. > > > > Choosing a location preferred by the largest number of delegates is a > > practical fact you can feed into the decision process.[..] > > We don't have any delegates as of now and I don't think you're going > to get many votes either way. What are the pros and cons? That would > be a better starting point IMHO > Let me contribute my $0.01. Pros 1. Large amount of student participation from Chennai seen in Pycon #1 last year which we expect to increase this year. 2. Python interest seems to be taking off in Chennai. I daresay in Bangalore the interest curve is kind of flat. So I expect more interest especially from students for Pycon #2. 3. An active Python community which interfaces well with BangPypers. 4. I guess Kenneth can play a more active role for a Chennai based event since he keeps visiting the city frequently. Cons 1. Small sponsors who are based in Bangalore may not be interested in a Chennai based event. But again this could be wrong. 2. Co-ordination could be a problem since all the co-ordinators of last year including Noufal are from Bangalore. 3. I guess participation from North India could get affected due to this due to increased travel and the weather problem. > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kausikram at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 09:58:49 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:28:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Our last conference was at an educational institution. RubyconfIndia > (and the PyCon in the US) was at a hotel/auditorium. The difference > was obvious. Don't you all think it would be better to go for a > hotel/auditorium rather than an educational institution? what do you > feel? Auditoriums are good for single track events, we usually dont have auditoriums that can accommodate parallel tracks. Hotels on the other hand starts becoming a costly affair. which means we have to re calculate all our expenditure. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What is name of this college ? > > Rajalakshmi engineering college which is near S*riperumbudur (in the bangalore highway some 30kms from chennai)* has said an in principle yes, along with shuttle bus services to and from their college. the barcamp is happening at SRM University City Campus in vadapalani (pretty close to the inter city bus station), which also used to be the erstwhile TCS office. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The only thing I want to keep low is the member registration fees. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 10:06:37 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:36:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:31 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > the offers got a little cold but its still doable we can warm things up >>> here. we were holding back to get the society work expedited, now then thats >>> taken care of we can get to the conference planning. we have one private >>> college, slightly out of the way thats given an in principle yes. (there >>> were some 30 students from this college at the last InPyCon). we can also go >>> ahead and talk to another college which is bang in the middle of the city, >>> with two AC halls and some good classroom, but talks for that have not >>> started yet. (the barcamp happening this sunday is scheduled to take place >>> in the venue i am talking about) >>> >> >> This sounds good. What is name of this college ? >> >> Rajalakshmi engineering college which is near S*riperumbudur (in the > bangalore highway some 30kms from chennai)* has said an in principle yes, > along with shuttle bus services to and from their college. > 30 km away is not exactly in the middle of the city, is it ? I was talking about the 2nd college you mentioned "bang in the middle of the city", not the first one. This doesn't sound like a good place - it is too far and may not be very accessible. > > the barcamp is happening at SRM University City Campus in vadapalani > (pretty close to the inter city bus station), which also used to be the > erstwhile TCS office. > So is this the "bang in the middle" one ? Please clarify. > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kausikram at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 10:11:51 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:41:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > the barcamp is happening at SRM University City Campus in vadapalani >> (pretty close to the inter city bus station), which also used to be the >> erstwhile TCS office. >> > > So is this the "bang in the middle" one ? Please clarify. > yeah this is the one, http://bit.ly/srmvadapalani -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anand.shashwat at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 10:19:35 2010 From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:49:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 for hotel, it'll give the conference a professional look On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > the barcamp is happening at SRM University City Campus in vadapalani >>> (pretty close to the inter city bus station), which also used to be the >>> erstwhile TCS office. >>> >> >> So is this the "bang in the middle" one ? Please clarify. >> > > yeah this is the one, > http://bit.ly/srmvadapalani > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anand.shashwat at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 10:26:27 2010 From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:56:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> <4BBC2A03.9050808@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: > > Pros > > 1. Large amount of student participation from Chennai seen in > Pycon #1 last year which we expect to increase this year. > 2. Python interest seems to be taking off in Chennai. I daresay > in Bangalore the interest curve is kind of flat. So I expect more > interest especially from students for Pycon #2. > 3. An active Python community which interfaces well with > BangPypers. > 4. I guess Kenneth can play a more active role for a Chennai > based event since he keeps visiting the city frequently. > > Cons > > 1. Small sponsors who are based in Bangalore may not be > interested in a Chennai based event. But again this could > be wrong. > 2. Co-ordination could be a problem since all the co-ordinators > of last year including Noufal are from Bangalore. > 3. I guess participation from North India could get affected due > to this due to increased travel and the weather problem. > Agree with 3. I guess for participant from N.India B'lore is suited more. > > > >> >> >> -- >> >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 10:51:46 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:21:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Shashwat Anand wrote: > +1 for hotel, it'll give the conference a professional look > > Hotel will cost between Rs 1300 and Rs 2500 per person per day. taxes extra > Chennai may be a bit cheaper. I am sure we can knockdown the costs too. > If we have 350 delegates like last time for a two day event plan for Rs 8 > to 15 L budgets. That only cover the costs of the venue, and we'll have > other costs too. > Unless we get larger commercial interests involved, you can't dream of such budgets. My suggestion is look at something in between. IISC was a good brand name, can't you guys get IIT Chennai? Anand B, its your old alma mater, you may know some old professor there, and connect them to Kausik and gang. Note I am not against hotels, but who will go out and sell? Why should a sponsor spend 5 L to sponsor the event? What will be the ROI for a sponsor? > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:41 PM, kausikram krishnasayee < > kausikram at gmail.com> wrote: > >> the barcamp is happening at SRM University City Campus in vadapalani >>>> (pretty close to the inter city bus station), which also used to be the >>>> erstwhile TCS office. >>>> >>> >>> So is this the "bang in the middle" one ? Please clarify. >>> >> >> yeah this is the one, >> http://bit.ly/srmvadapalani >> >> -- >> Kausikram Krishnasayee >> Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: >> blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: >> kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anand B, its your old alma > mater, you may know some old professor there, and connect them to Kausik and > gang. > > Note I am not against hotels, but who will go out and sell? Why should a > sponsor spend 5 L to sponsor the event? What will be the ROI for a sponsor? > I concur. It is too early in the life cycle of Pycon India to think about hotels as venue. The expenditures involved are humongous and at this stage, we can't get enough sponsorship to cover the expenses. IIT M doesn't have good venues for holding conferences IMHO. The Central lecture complex is the one which gets closest but I haven't seen it being given out for outside events when I was there. They don't have auditoriums and large halls like IISc does. Not sure if things have changed, if someone has more recent information correct me. To me, the location should be central, not too far from the Railway station and preferably have a brand name. The best bet are Anna University campus and other engg. colleges in the middle of the city. Well, we need to get on this quickly and try to see if we can arrange a decent venue. This will be a major factor in keeping the conference in Chennai, apart from a good team to manage things. > > > > > > >> > > > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A good private college or university will 1. give halls for free 2. some infrastructure too 3. staff will help coordinate 4. droves of student volunteers 5. audience 6. transport and 7. sometimes even a share of accomodation too -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 7 16:55:50 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:25:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> References: <4BBC25F4.9040301@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: <201004072025.50360.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 07 Apr 2010 11:58:04 am Saju Pillai wrote: > Will a online poll inviting BangPypers to choose between Bangalore, > Chennai, other locations work ? online polls do not work -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 7 16:59:56 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:29:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: <201004061804.53421.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004072029.56391.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 6:12:41 pm Shashwat Anand wrote: > What will be the membership fee for students ? > How and by when do we have to pay them ? > please read the byelaws -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 7 17:00:32 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:30:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004072030.32248.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 6:20:38 pm ?????? wrote: > we have an option of membership tiers. 30 % is fine for annual > > > members. > > what is the rate for yearly and life membership? rates for students and > others? > please read the byelaws -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 7 17:04:37 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:34:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Benefits of Membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004072034.37503.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 06 Apr 2010 6:36:35 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Where is this leading? Are we trying to create a bureaucratic > structure over the society? > Why don't we just stick to the initial plan that the society is only > for managing funds for conference and concentrate the focus on next > conference? > and how do you propose to keep the bank account unless the society is a functioning entity that follows the norms? This has been discussed elsewhere and unless we do the minimal things to keep the society functional, it could get derecognised and we will have no bank account. Or are you suggesting that we avoid filing income tax returns and getting 80G exemption for our sponsors and avoid getting permission from donations from abroad. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 17:50:27 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:20:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Apr 2010 1:49:35 pm Shashwat Anand wrote: > > +1 for hotel, it'll give the conference a professional look > > > and a professional bill. I am all for a non-elite college which will > provide > audience and volunteers. Places like IISC and IIT, even the flies and > mosquitoes will turn up their noses at us. A good private college or > university will > 1. give halls for free > 2. some infrastructure too > 3. staff will help coordinate > 4. droves of student volunteers > 5. audience > 6. transport > and > 7. sometimes even a share of accomodation too > I am not disagreeing with you. However some of us feel that eliteness and brand matters. And I cannot also disagree with them -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 18:10:28 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:40:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > I concur. It is too early in the life cycle of Pycon India to think about > hotels as venue. The expenditures involved are humongous and > at this stage, we can't get enough sponsorship to cover the expenses. [..] Well, We are in the second year (so have some traction). Rubyconf managed to do their first time at a decent hotel. I don't think it's completely out of the question although it will increase costs. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 18:19:06 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:49:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > [..] > > I concur. It is too early in the life cycle of Pycon India to think about > > hotels as venue. The expenditures involved are humongous and > > at this stage, we can't get enough sponsorship to cover the expenses. > [..] > > Well, We are in the second year (so have some traction). Rubyconf > managed to do their first time at a decent hotel. I don't think it's > completely out of the question although it will increase costs. > nothing is impossible, but we need to think and work hard towards it. Someone (may be more) need to really step forward RubyConf charged 1000 bucks per delegate which's pretty decent, and can come towards covering half the expense if you are able to generate a decent crowd. And then they had sponsors pitching in big time. I guess a good graduation would be move from IISC main campus to something of JN tata auditorium type or NIMHANS. Think of similar places in Chennai, which commands a better respect than a college auditorium. Lots of professional events are being conducted at these places.... Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think it's > completely out of the question although it will increase costs. > what was the attendance at rubyconf? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 19:03:09 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:33:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <201004072221.59821.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004072221.59821.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 07 Apr 2010 9:40:28 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> > I concur. It is too early in the life cycle of Pycon India to think about >> > hotels as venue. The expenditures involved are humongous and >> > at this stage, we can't get enough sponsorship to cover the expenses. >> >> [..] >> >> Well, We are in the second year (so have some traction). Rubyconf >> managed to do their first time at a decent hotel. I don't think it's >> completely out of the question although it will increase costs. >> > > what was the attendance at rubyconf? I don't remember exactly but I think it was around 400 people. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kausikram at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 19:19:28 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:49:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072221.59821.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > > >> Well, We are in the second year (so have some traction). Rubyconf > >> managed to do their first time at a decent hotel. I don't think it's > >> completely out of the question although it will increase costs. > >> > > > > what was the attendance at rubyconf? > > I don't remember exactly but I think it was around 400 people. remember someone saying they raised around 15 lakhs in sponsorship, and TW USA alone sponsored equivalent to 7 lakhs. can we look at similar figures? -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think it's >> >> completely out of the question although it will increase costs. >> >> >> > >> > what was the attendance at rubyconf? >> >> I don't remember exactly but I think it was around 400 people. > > remember someone saying they raised around 15 lakhs in sponsorship, and TW > USA alone sponsored equivalent to 7 lakhs. can we look at similar figure[..] It does sound high but they did prove it possible... -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 20:02:36 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 23:32:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072221.59821.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:49 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > >> Well, We are in the second year (so have some traction). Rubyconf >> >> managed to do their first time at a decent hotel. I don't think it's >> >> completely out of the question although it will increase costs. >> >> >> > >> > what was the attendance at rubyconf? >> >> I don't remember exactly but I think it was around 400 people. > > > remember someone saying they raised around 15 lakhs in sponsorship, and TW > USA alone sponsored equivalent to 7 lakhs. can we look at similar figures? > Thoughtworks pitched in big time if I recall correctly. I think the conference itself was organized mainly by thoughtworkers. Thoughtworkers formed a big chunk of the speakers also. There is a lot of enterprise hype around Ruby a kind of geeky halo which Python doesn't have. Some of it is justified, while a lot isn't. I doubt if we can ever match to those figures in this years conference. > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 21:00:08 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 00:30:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072221.59821.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > > > There is a lot of enterprise hype around Ruby a kind of geeky halo which > Python doesn't have. Some of it is justified, while a lot isn't. I doubt > if we can ever match to those figures in this years conferen > There are very few companies such as Thoughtworks which actually spends a lot of money in ensuring there's a vibrant community there, and TW is betting heavily on Ruby. And Thoughtworks definitely keeps a high profile when compared with IT services houses of similar sizes in the country ( in terms of man power). I wish they took a similar interest in Python. See it all translates to big bucks since its enterprise software. With all due respect to cos involved in Python, they are either way too small or wants to keep a low profile, quite like some of the Python developers we know, and companies who can actually pitch in big time and help like Google doesn't have a big Python story in India. if we need to aim at a conference of decent shape and size (forget the hotel), but a more respectable venue like a popular auditorium in center of the city, we need to still budget in excess of Rs 6 L, plan a bigger event, more tracks more activity. If that's the case we always need a sponsor who can chip in with at least 50% of the budget costs. Ruby must be big for TW presently, and that's why they are spending hoping that the involvement will ensure that many enterprise developers will take up Ruby, and some of them may end up joining TW. I know we have a few Thoughtworkers reading this, but do they see any hope for Python inside TW, and then we can perhaps hope for a bigger share from TW. > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > --Anand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Slideshare too have a vibrant culture but then again, they are ruby based, but worth trying. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > > >> >> There is a lot of enterprise hype around Ruby a kind of geeky halo which >> Python doesn't have. Some of it is justified, while a lot isn't. I doubt >> if we can ever match to those figures in this years conferen >> > > > > There are very few companies such as Thoughtworks which actually spends a > lot of money in ensuring there's a vibrant community there, and TW is > betting heavily on Ruby. And Thoughtworks definitely keeps a high profile > when compared with IT services houses of similar sizes in the country ( in > terms of man power). I wish they took a similar interest in Python. > > See it all translates to big bucks since its enterprise software. > > With all due respect to cos involved in Python, they are either way too > small or wants to keep a low profile, quite like some of the Python > developers we know, and companies who can actually pitch in big time and > help like Google doesn't have a big Python story in India. > > if we need to aim at a conference of decent shape and size (forget the > hotel), but a more respectable venue like a popular auditorium in center of > the city, we need to still budget in excess of Rs 6 L, plan a bigger event, > more tracks more activity. > > If that's the case we always need a sponsor who can chip in with at least > 50% of the budget costs. > > Ruby must be big for TW presently, and that's why they are spending hoping > that the involvement will ensure that many enterprise developers will take > up Ruby, and some of them may end up joining TW. > > I know we have a few Thoughtworkers reading this, but do they see any hope > for Python inside TW, and then we can perhaps hope for a bigger share from > TW. > > > > > > > >> Kausikram Krishnasayee >> Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: >> blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: >> kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> --Anand >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think it's > >> completely out of the question although it will increase costs. > > > > what was the attendance at rubyconf? > > I don't remember exactly but I think it was around 400 people. > any idea of what their organisational structure was? company lead or volunteer oriented? all I remember was that they did it at very short notice (could be wrong) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 8 03:45:39 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 07:15:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 07 Apr 2010 9:20:27 pm Ramdas S wrote: > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Wednesday 07 Apr 2010 1:49:35 pm Shashwat Anand wrote: > > > +1 for hotel, it'll give the conference a professional look > > > > and a professional bill. I am all for a non-elite college which will > > provide > > audience and volunteers. Places like IISC and IIT, even the flies and > > mosquitoes will turn up their noses at us. A good private college or > > university will > > 1. give halls for free > > 2. some infrastructure too > > 3. staff will help coordinate > > 4. droves of student volunteers > > 5. audience > > 6. transport > > and > > 7. sometimes even a share of accomodation too > > I am not disagreeing with you. However some of us feel that eliteness and > brand matters. And I cannot also disagree with them > yes. this is the core of the debate. What is the conference for? I must confess that I am probably an odd one out here as I do not come from the IT industry, so what I feel is not necessarily what the majority wants. I feel that we are in the formative years of a good python community here, and we need to focus on community building through the conference for a few years at least. At present we are thin on the ground with maybe a dozen or so active members. And these are all good people in the field so there is no guarrantee that the big G will not swoop down and transport them elsewhere. Although corporate and institutional support is great, the core should always, in my opinion be volunteers from the community. As the discussion on rubyconf shows, if a company chips in with large funds and people - a great looking conference. And if the company changes direction? no conference. I am looking for something sustainable - a conference every year. Even if smaller, more low key. As long as each year is better than the last. I do not think we can ever reach the stage of java, ruby and other conferences which are apparently primarily run by multinationals. I had mentioned that even pycon had 15% newbie oriented talks (whether newbies actually attended is another matter). Last year we had two conferences. One for people who knew nothing about python (and there were around 100 of them) and the other for the geeks. Just a few randomn thoughts ... -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 06:31:23 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:01:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > lthough > corporate and institutional support is great, the core should always, in my > opinion be volunteers from the community. As the discussion on rubyconf > shows, > if a company chips in with large funds and people - a great looking > conference. And if the company changes direction? no conference. I am > looking > for something sustainable - a conference every year. Even if smaller, more > low > Just to add to thoughts of Kenneth. I think we m > ----------- > Can we look at a growth in terms of percentage over last year, and continue > targeting that way year over year? > > > Some quantifiable targets > ######################### > > 1) Let's say a 100% plus increase in sponsorship money ( would love > 200,300,400%) > > 2) Get 20% or more attendees. > > 3) Have 20-40% more number of talks > > 4) Get a couple of well known speakers > > The trick here is to find out which all prominent Python developers work > with companies with an interest in India or manage teams in India, and get > the companies to adjust their visit to coincide with India. > Similarly how can you improve the overall quality of conference. Better Talks, more interactive sessions. Can we have code jams? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not something I imagine we can get. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 07:48:27 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:18:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:[..] > yes. this is the core of the debate. What is the conference for? I must > confess that I am probably an odd one out here as I do not come from the IT > industry, so what I feel is not necessarily what the majority wants. I feel > that we are in the formative years of a good python community here, and we > need to focus on community building through the conference for a few years at > least. At present we are thin on the ground with maybe a dozen or so active > members. And these are all good people in the field so there is no guarrantee > that the big G will not swoop down and transport them elsewhere. Although > corporate and institutional support is great, the core should always, in my > opinion be volunteers from the community. As the discussion on rubyconf shows, > if a company chips in with large funds and people - a great looking > conference. And if the company changes direction? no conference. I am looking > for something sustainable - a conference every year. Even if smaller, more low > key. As long as each year is better than the last. I do not think we can ever > reach the stage of java, ruby and other conferences which are apparently > primarily run by multinationals. I couldn't agree with you more. I don't want a corporate conference. I want a community one and this was my only issue with the way RubyConf was held. In all other respects, I thought it was excellent. However, I would like the conference to improve over the years and for corporates (ie. where the money is) to show more interest and invest in it while we retain control of the overall direction and look/feel of the event. With this in mind, I'd want the event to be bigger and better than last time. The hotel idea was just something I threw off the top of my head. The main things I want this time are (as listed on the page). - International speakers (I've spoken to a couple who are interested if we can cover their travel costs). - Professional A/V - Higher quality talks (more technical) - Good wifi - Dedicated sessions for sprints and 'non talk' events. Let's go about this the data intensive way. Let's come up with a budget and see what we can do. What do you feel? [..] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kunal.t2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 17:12:54 2010 From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 20:42:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > > Can we look at a growth in terms of percentage over last year, and continue >> targeting that way year over year? >> >> >> Some quantifiable targets >> ######################### >> >> 1) Let's say a 100% plus increase in sponsorship money ( would love >> 200,300,400%) >> >> 2) Get 20% or more attendees. >> >> We could conduct the conference in one of the colleges reasons: 1.Local LUG could get more student community involved. 2.Good Auditoriums / seminar halls at reasonable rent. 3.May be they would provide us with the college wifi connection. Possible candidates could be M.S. Rammaiah IT , CMR IT etc. easily approachable. > 3) Have 20-40% more number of talks >> >> 4) Get a couple of well known speakers >> > The money saved from renting the venue could be spent in travel expenses of speakers. -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" -- "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too !" ----- "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There will be live microblogging of the event and wi-fi failure is one of the thing which needs to be avoided. > Possible candidates could be M.S. Rammaiah IT , CMR IT etc. easily > approachable. > > >> 3) Have 20-40% more number of talks >>> >>> 4) Get a couple of well known speakers >>> >> > The money saved from renting the venue could be spent in travel expenses of > speakers. > > -- > regards > ------- > Kunal Ghosh > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > Sir MVIT > Bangalore,India > > Quote: > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > -- > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > too !" > ----- > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am pleased to inform the group that > I have been elected as member of Python Software > Foundation. Wow. This is a great news. Tons of Wishes. Keep Rocking. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My experiences with Linux are here http://goinggnu.wordpress.com For Free and Open Source Jobs http://fossjobs.wordpress.com From steve at lonetwin.net Sun Apr 11 21:46:18 2010 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 01:16:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BC2270A.1050106@lonetwin.net> On 04/11/2010 01:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am pleased to inform the group that > I have been elected as member of Python Software > Foundation. > Just read this. Congratulations Anand !! Just curious, are you the first one ? Are there any more PSF members from India ? cheers, - steve -- random new spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ random old spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From rmathews at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 04:20:31 2010 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 07:50:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 13:14, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > ???????? I am pleased to inform the group that > I have been elected as member of Python Software > Foundation. Congratulations, Anand. Wish you all the best. :) Roshan From ramdaz at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 05:24:55 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:54:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Anand, Great! While knowing very well that you were not expecting this, let me officially acknowledge on behalf of all of us, your contributions in creating Bangpypers some 6 years back. I've learned much from you, and look forward to learning further. Ramdas On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 13:14, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > I am pleased to inform the group that > > I have been elected as member of Python Software > > Foundation. > > Congratulations, Anand. Wish you all the best. :) > > Roshan > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 06:08:31 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:38:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > Hi Anand, > > Great! While knowing very well that you were not expecting this, let me > officially acknowledge on behalf of all of us, your contributions in > creating Bangpypers some 6 years back. > > I've learned much from you, and look forward to learning further. > > Ramdas Thanks to everyone for their kind wishes. I am yet to learn what this position is about, looking forward to the discussions on the PSF member list. Hopefully I can something about Python advancement in India with direct PSF involvement in the years to come... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orsenthil at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 14:41:14 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:11:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: <4BC2270A.1050106@lonetwin.net> References: <4BC2270A.1050106@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: <20100412124114.GC29009@remy> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 01:16:18AM +0530, steve wrote: > Just read this. Congratulations Anand !! Just curious, are you the > first one ? Are there any more PSF members from India ? Yeah, he is the first one to be the PSF member from India. -- Senthil From vattam at vattamsantosh.info Mon Apr 12 14:52:31 2010 From: vattam at vattamsantosh.info (Santosh Vattam) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:22:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: <20100412124114.GC29009@remy> References: <4BC2270A.1050106@lonetwin.net> <20100412124114.GC29009@remy> Message-ID: Hi all, First of all congratulations, to Anand on his membership. > Yeah, he is the first one to be the PSF member from India. Small correction here. There is Vinay Sajip (the logger author) -- he isn't based in India but is there since 2003. Prof. Prabhu Ramachandran also became a member this year. There is also someone called Vasudev Ram who also became a member this year. -- Regards Santosh G. Vattam From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 15:03:17 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:33:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: References: <4BC2270A.1050106@lonetwin.net> <20100412124114.GC29009@remy> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Santosh Vattam wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all congratulations, to Anand on his membership. > > > Yeah, he is the first one to be the PSF member from India. > > Small correction here. There is Vinay Sajip (the logger author) -- he > isn't based in India but is there since 2003. Prof. Prabhu > Ramachandran also became a member this year. There is also someone > called Vasudev Ram who also became a member this year. > I read about Dr. Prabhu being nominated, but not about Vasudev Ram. The PSF membership roster is not yet updated with the 2010 members. With that it will be more clear about the other 2010 members. > > -- > Regards > Santosh G. Vattam > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > Regards, -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orsenthil at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 15:35:25 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:05:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: References: <4BC2270A.1050106@lonetwin.net> <20100412124114.GC29009@remy> Message-ID: <20100412133525.GA30841@remy> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 06:22:31PM +0530, Santosh Vattam wrote: > > Yeah, he is the first one to be the PSF member from India. > > Small correction here. There is Vinay Sajip (the logger author) -- he > isn't based in India but is there since 2003. Prof. Prabhu Congrats to Dr. Prabhu! Vinay Sajip is based out of UK for long time, did not know about his PSF membership. -- Senthil From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 13 07:30:41 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:00:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: <20100412133525.GA30841@remy> References: <20100412133525.GA30841@remy> Message-ID: <201004131100.41943.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Monday 12 Apr 2010 7:05:25 pm Senthil Kumaran wrote: > > > Yeah, he is the first one to be the PSF member from India. > > > > > > Small correction here. There is Vinay Sajip (the logger author) -- he > > isn't based in India but is there since 2003. Prof. Prabhu > > Congrats to Dr. Prabhu! > > Vinay Sajip is based out of UK for long time, did not know about his > PSF membership. > a regular contributor to django -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 13 13:58:31 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:28:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] society matters Message-ID: <201004131728.31331.lawgon@au-kbc.org> hi, I have consolidated all the society stuff I could find under: http://wiki.python.org/moin/CategoryIndianPythonSoftwareSociety there is a resolution to be passed wrt bank account, committee members please add your names and designations if you approve of it. (please check formatting). I have also uploaded the certificate of registration. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 14:17:57 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:47:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] society matters In-Reply-To: <201004131728.31331.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004131728.31331.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > > I have consolidated all the society stuff I could find under: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/CategoryIndianPythonSoftwareSociety > > there is a resolution to be passed wrt bank account, committee members please > add your names and designations if you approve of it. (please check > formatting). I have also uploaded the certificate of registration. Done. I have changed the formatting of committee members list to a table. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From vid at svaksha.com Tue Apr 13 16:09:26 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:39:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] society matters In-Reply-To: <201004131728.31331.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004131728.31331.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 17:28, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > > I have consolidated all the society stuff I could find under: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/CategoryIndianPythonSoftwareSociety > Thanks. In time (when the 2009-10 FY accounts are finalised), would you (or the Secretary/Treasurer) please share the financial records of last years Pycon with the list (or will this be put on the wiki?) members. Thanks, -- vid || http://svaksha.com From parth.technofreak at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 16:56:58 2010 From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:26:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BC4863A.1040505@gmail.com> Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am pleased to inform the group that > I have been elected as member of Python Software > Foundation. > > Pat Campbell of PSF informed me regarding this > in an email today. > > Thanks are due to David Mertz, member, board > of directors of PSF for nominating me. > > Congrats!! :) -- With Regards, Parthan SR "technofreak" GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 17:13:52 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:43:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: <20100412133525.GA30841@remy> References: <4BC2270A.1050106@lonetwin.net> <20100412124114.GC29009@remy> <20100412133525.GA30841@remy> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 06:22:31PM +0530, Santosh Vattam wrote: > > > Yeah, he is the first one to be the PSF member from India. > > > > Small correction here. There is Vinay Sajip (the logger author) -- he > > isn't based in India but is there since 2003. Prof. Prabhu > > Congrats to Dr. Prabhu! > > Vinay Sajip is based out of UK for long time, did not know about his > PSF membership. > I just saw the private PSF archives (got access just now) and can say that Dr.Prabhu, Vasudev Ram have also been elected from India. Since this is not yet updated in the public Python wiki, I was not aware of it though I did see an email from Laura Creighton sometime back hinting at Dr. Prabhu's nomination (don't recall the list). Sorry if my email gave any hint that I was the only person elected from India - that is not the case. Congrats to Dr. Prabhu and Vasudev Ram, hope they will join this list soon enough with their ideas and suggestions. > > -- > Senthil > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > Regards, -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 19:16:58 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:46:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] society matters In-Reply-To: References: <201004131728.31331.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:39 PM, ?????? wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 17:28, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> hi, >> >> I have consolidated all the society stuff I could find under: >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/CategoryIndianPythonSoftwareSociety >> > > Thanks. In time (when the 2009-10 FY accounts are finalised), would > you (or the Secretary/Treasurer) please share the financial records of > last years Pycon with the list (or will this be put on the wiki?) This is what Santosh used to keep track of the accounts. It says $ but it's supposed to be INR. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlX-Cs1D0L30dDdjUUJnUEg2eHBRMFhoa1lxc2RNVlE&hl=en -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From santhosh.divakar at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 07:36:26 2010 From: santhosh.divakar at gmail.com (Santhosh Divakar) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:06:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] society matters In-Reply-To: References: <201004131728.31331.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Thanks Noufal, Once the cheque from Dinesh is encashed into the AXIS Bank account that also would be reflected into the spreadsheet. -Thanks Santhsoh On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:39 PM, ?????? wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 17:28, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > >> hi, > >> > >> I have consolidated all the society stuff I could find under: > >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/CategoryIndianPythonSoftwareSociety > >> > > > > Thanks. In time (when the 2009-10 FY accounts are finalised), would > > you (or the Secretary/Treasurer) please share the financial records of > > last years Pycon with the list (or will this be put on the wiki?) > > This is what Santosh used to keep track of the accounts. It says $ but > it's supposed to be INR. > > https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlX-Cs1D0L30dDdjUUJnUEg2eHBRMFhoa1lxc2RNVlE&hl=en > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So whatever looks cool by the deadline will be chosen - otherwise I will make something plain. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:36:30 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:06:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] letterhead and seal In-Reply-To: <201004141259.19735.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004141259.19735.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > for the bank account and for filing returns and dealing with officials we > unfortunately require a letter head and a seal. So we need to print maybe a > 100 letterheads and have two seals - one in Ooty and one in Bangalore. > Since > we are doing this - might has well do it well. So anyone with any design > skills please design this - it is needed by tomorrow as today is a holiday > and > no work can be done. So whatever looks cool by the deadline will be chosen > - > otherwise I will make something plain. > Suggest X-posting to BangPypers. We have good graphic designers there as the call for logos for PyCon India showed. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 14 09:42:06 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:12:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] letterhead and seal In-Reply-To: References: <201004141259.19735.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004141312.07115.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 1:06:44 pm Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > otherwise I will make something plain. > > Do we need a logo for the society? > > Also, I suggest we go ahead with a simple letter-head for finishing bank > formalities. > I am not delaying anything for this - if we have a nice letter head by tomorrow I will use it, otherwise will make a plain one for the bank -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From vid at svaksha.com Wed Apr 14 21:32:13 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:02:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] society matters In-Reply-To: References: <201004131728.31331.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 22:46, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > This is what Santosh used to keep track of the accounts. It says $ but > it's supposed to be INR. > https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlX-Cs1D0L30dDdjUUJnUEg2eHBRMFhoa1lxc2RNVlE&hl=en > Thanks for the link. -- vid || http://svaksha.com From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 15 07:44:06 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:14:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution Message-ID: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> come on people - only two committe members have signed http://wiki.python.org/moin/CommitteeResolutions -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 08:12:49 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:42:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > come on people - only two committe members have signed > http://wiki.python.org/moin/CommitteeResolutions > What is my role in the society ? I thought I was "Vice President", but I see Vivek Khurana already signed as VP. What does it say in the MoA ? > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 08:22:14 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:52:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> come on people - only two committe members have signed >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/CommitteeResolutions >> > > What is my role in the society ? I thought I was "Vice President", > but I see Vivek Khurana already signed as VP. > > What does it say in the MoA ? > Kenneth, any idea ? > -- >> >> regards >> Kenneth Gonsalves >> Senior Associate >> NRC-FOSS >> http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 15 08:18:25 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:48:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004151148.25748.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 15 Apr 2010 11:42:49 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > What is my role in the society ? I thought I was "Vice President", > but I see Vivek Khurana already signed as VP. > there are two vice-presidents - you and vivek -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 08:25:02 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:55:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > come on people - only two committe members have signed > http://wiki.python.org/moin/CommitteeResolutions[..] Done. Is there a list of office bearers somewhere on the site? We can use that follow up. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 08:29:51 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:59:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: <201004151148.25748.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151148.25748.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 15 Apr 2010 11:42:49 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > What is my role in the society ? I thought I was "Vice President", > > but I see Vivek Khurana already signed as VP. > > > > there are two vice-presidents - you and vivek > Is that a redundant design ? I have seen this in clustered systems where you have a backup or a failover ? Otherwise I don't see the point of having two VPs for a budding organization. Please downgrade me to committe member or something. This is ridiculous. -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 08:36:26 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:06:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151148.25748.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: >> >> On Thursday 15 Apr 2010 11:42:49 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> > What is my role in the society ? I thought I was "Vice President", >> > but I see Vivek Khurana already signed as VP. >> > >> >> there are two vice-presidents - you and vivek > > Is that a redundant design ? I have seen this in clustered systems > where you have a backup or a failover ? Otherwise I don't see > the point of having two VPs for a budding organization. > > ?Please downgrade me to committe member or something. > This is ridiculous.[..] I'm not sure but if that's going to require another round of resolutions and stuff, it would be best if we keep that till after the bank account is created (the primary reason to have the society in the first place). I think it's silly to have multiple members of the same post (except maybe the treasurer) but let's try get the bank account out of the way and not get entangled in red tape. Janastu's cheque is still not cashed and it would be wasteful at the least to spend time now discussing designations. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 15 08:40:04 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:10:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004151210.04352.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 15 Apr 2010 11:55:02 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > come on people - only two committe members have signed > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/CommitteeResolutions[..] > > Done. Is there a list of office bearers somewhere on the site? We can > use that follow up. > http://wiki.python.org/moin/IPSSCommittee needs formatting and the addresses have to be removed (except for city) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 08:44:29 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:14:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151148.25748.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves > > wrote: > >> > >> On Thursday 15 Apr 2010 11:42:49 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > >> > What is my role in the society ? I thought I was "Vice President", > >> > but I see Vivek Khurana already signed as VP. > >> > > >> > >> there are two vice-presidents - you and vivek > > > > Is that a redundant design ? I have seen this in clustered systems > > where you have a backup or a failover ? Otherwise I don't see > > the point of having two VPs for a budding organization. > > > > Please downgrade me to committe member or something. > > This is ridiculous.[..] > > I'm not sure but if that's going to require another round of > resolutions and stuff, it would be best if we keep that till after the > bank account is created (the primary reason to have the society in the > first place). I think it's silly to have multiple members of the same > post (except maybe the treasurer) but let's try get the bank account > out of the way and not get entangled in red tape. Janastu's cheque is > still not cashed and it would be wasteful at the least to spend time > now discussing designations. > I am the last person in the world interested in wasting others time. It is my bad I didn't notice this when I signed the MoA, otherwise I would have raised it right there. So let the status quo be, and I will raise it in the annual meeting when we have the first one. > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > Regards, -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 08:47:11 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151148.25748.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >[..] > ?I am the last person in the world interested in wasting others time. > > ?It is my bad I didn't notice this when I signed the MoA, otherwise > ?I would have raised it right there. So let the status quo be, and > ?I will raise it in the annual meeting when we have the first one.[..] Cool. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 08:51:33 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:21:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151148.25748.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: >> >> On Thursday 15 Apr 2010 11:42:49 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> > What is my role in the society ? I thought I was "Vice President", >> > but I see Vivek Khurana already signed as VP. >> > >> >> there are two vice-presidents - you and vivek > > Is that a redundant design ? I have seen this in clustered systems > where you have a backup or a failover ? Otherwise I don't see > the point of having two VPs for a budding organization. > > ?Please downgrade me to committe member or something. > This is ridiculous. > I had raised this issue when the MoA surfaced. I was completely unaware of when my name made it as a VP. That time I was told it was discussed sometime back and to sign the MoA as this matter can be taken up later. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 15 08:47:20 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:17:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151148.25748.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004151217.20902.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 15 Apr 2010 11:59:51 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > there are two vice-presidents - you and vivek > > Is that a redundant design ? I have seen this in clustered systems > where you have a backup or a failover ? Otherwise I don't see > the point of having two VPs for a budding organization. most organisations have two vice-presidents. Many have more than two. Anyway this has been discussed threadbare in the run up to registration. > > Please downgrade me to committe member or something. > This is ridiculous. > this can only be done by amending the byelaw in the AGM when I found that there was little to no discussion on the byelaws, I was congratulating myself on my brilliant drafting - I now find that the reason for no discussion is that no one one has bothered to go through the bye-laws. And now, suddenly people ask things like 'why should corporates have a vote?', 'what is student subscription?', 'how many office bearers?'. Very disheartening. Please take a few minutes out to read the byelaws, note what you do not like in them and we can always amend them in the AGM. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 15 08:54:12 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:24:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004151224.12813.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 15 Apr 2010 12:21:33 pm Vivek Khurana wrote: > > Please downgrade me to committe member or something. > > This is ridiculous. > > I had raised this issue when the MoA surfaced. I was completely > unaware of when my name made it as a VP. That time I was told it was > discussed sometime back and to sign the MoA as this matter can be > taken up later. > please check the list archives -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From ideamonk at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 17:32:20 2010 From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:02:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] PSF membership In-Reply-To: References: <4BC2270A.1050106@lonetwin.net> <20100412124114.GC29009@remy> <20100412133525.GA30841@remy> Message-ID: My hearty congrats to everyone who got in :) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Better > Talks, more interactive sessions. Can we have code jams? > > I think we were getting distracted by RubyConf or such other events that might have occurred at a grander scale with corporate backing. Though I am someone almost alien to the Ruby world but I think Ruby did gain great popularity majorly due to Rails and the way Rails has been promoted. Besides Rails started in a company itself - 37signals. Since Rails is the back-end for some successful projects like basecamp, github, etc, its bound to get popular among big players once small ones have tested, tried and shown that it works. I agree to starting small and growing the community and the conference gradually in smaller sustainable steps, rather than fixing a huge milestone and not completing it in good quality. Lets keep statistics of last year as base and try to grow it further in all aspects as suggested by Ramdas. That would really turn us into the direction of a stronger community. 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IIRC, she had mentioned it on the diversity list last year. -- vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 19 08:38:52 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:08:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: <201004151224.12813.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151224.12813.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Have all the relevant people signed? Can we get the account now? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 11:47:39 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:17:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151224.12813.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Have all the relevant people signed? Can we get the account now?[..] As far as I can tell, Satyakam Goswami and Lakshman Prasad have not signed. I have contacted them off list asking them to do so. If someone else here has their phone numbers, please call them and ask them to sign (or mail them to me and I'll do the calling). I presume this is the gating factor for the account creation? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:05:00 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:35:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151224.12813.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Have all the relevant people signed? Can we get the account now?[..] > > As far as I can tell, Satyakam Goswami and Lakshman Prasad have not > signed. I have contacted them off list asking them to do so. If > someone else here has their phone numbers, please call them and ask > them to sign (or mail them to me and I'll do the calling). > I called up Satyakaam and he is travelling. He will try to sign it some time in the evening. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:15:39 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:45:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: I've gone ahead, taken Saju's suggestion and made a survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QKJ93GC All those who have a voice that want to be heard, please respond over there. I have also made a wiki page for the details over at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion where we can have more detailed discussions. I encourage editors of the wiki to make an account on the wiki so that we know who said what. I will shortly send out some more mails detailing how I think we should go with the whole project. Watch this space! -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:16:16 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:46:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151224.12813.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Vivek Khurana wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> > Have all the relevant people signed? Can we get the account now?[..] >> >> As far as I can tell, Satyakam Goswami and Lakshman Prasad have not >> signed. I have contacted them off list asking them to do so. If >> someone else here has their phone numbers, please call them and ask >> them to sign (or mail them to me and I'll do the calling). > > ?I called up Satyakaam and he is travelling. He will try to sign it some > time in the evening.[..] Thank you Vivek. Does anyone have info on where Lakshman is? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at thenilgiris.com Tue Apr 20 12:15:17 2010 From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:45:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004201545.18054.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> On Tuesday 20 Apr 2010 3:17:39 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Have all the relevant people signed? Can we get the account now?[..] > > As far as I can tell, Satyakam Goswami and Lakshman Prasad have not > signed. I have contacted them off list asking them to do so. If > someone else here has their phone numbers, please call them and ask > them to sign (or mail them to me and I'll do the calling). > > I presume this is the gating factor for the account creation? > as long as the quorum signs it's okay - no need for all to sign. I am in Kerala for a workshop and will complete the formalities on my return in a few days. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:21:20 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:51:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: <201004201545.18054.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004201545.18054.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tuesday 20 Apr 2010 3:17:39 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> Have all the relevant people signed? Can we get the account now?[..] >> >> As far as I can tell, Satyakam Goswami and Lakshman Prasad have not >> signed. I have contacted them off list asking them to do so. If >> someone else here has their phone numbers, please call them and ask >> them to sign (or mail them to me and I'll do the calling). >> >> I presume this is the gating factor for the account creation? >> > > ?as long as the quorum signs it's okay - no need for all to sign. I am in > Kerala for a workshop and will complete the formalities on my return in a few > days.[..] Cool. Keep us posted. Since just Lakshman has not signed, I think you're good to go. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From sree at mahiti.org Tue Apr 20 12:22:40 2010 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:52:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151224.12813.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Dear all, Also if possible, lets pass a resolution which authorizes President and Secretary to jointly sign borad resolutions and represent the board in matters related to opening of bank accounts, applying for all statutory work such as PAN, TAN, ST, etc. - sree On 20 April 2010 15:46, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Vivek Khurana > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > >> > Have all the relevant people signed? Can we get the account now?[..] > >> > >> As far as I can tell, Satyakam Goswami and Lakshman Prasad have not > >> signed. I have contacted them off list asking them to do so. If > >> someone else here has their phone numbers, please call them and ask > >> them to sign (or mail them to me and I'll do the calling). > > > > I called up Satyakaam and he is travelling. He will try to sign it some > > time in the evening.[..] > > Thank you Vivek. Does anyone have info on where Lakshman is? > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. # 33-34, 2nd Floor, Hennur Cross, Hennur Road, Bangalore, India - 560043 Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:25:15 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:55:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] committee resolution In-Reply-To: References: <201004151114.06159.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004151224.12813.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > Dear all, > Also if possible, lets pass a resolution which?authorizes?President > and?Secretary?to jointly sign borad resolutions and represent the board in > matters related to opening of bank accounts,?applying?for all?statutory?work > such as PAN, TAN, ST, etc. You have more experience with running a society than the rest of us here. If you think this would be useful, please tell us what we need to do and let's do it. If you have a draft of such a resolution, put it up on the wiki and let's sign it so that Kenneth can take care the paperwork in a single shot. [..] Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:32:31 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:02:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have here a page that details the budget estimates for the conference. http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/BudgetEstimates The numbers are mostly pulled out of thin air so feel free to edit/discuss. Once this is clarified, we'd know how much to make from sponsors and what to do/where to go. Let' get this over within a week and start off with the heavy lifting from next week. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 13:49:49 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:19:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I've gone ahead, taken Saju's suggestion and made a survey at > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QKJ93GC > All those who have a voice that want to be heard, please respond over there. > > I have also made a wiki page for the details over at > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion where we > can have more detailed discussions. I encourage editors of the wiki to > make an account on the wiki so that we know who said what. > > I will shortly send out some more mails detailing how I think we > should go with the whole project. Watch this space! I'll keep this open for a few more days to see where we're heading. I don't like the quality of responses. There are too many that say "I'm from Bangalore so it should be in Bangalore". However, Bangalore is leading right now 16 to 11. The popularity contest aside, I feel that Bangalore is the right place this time as well. The 2 times in one city approach adopted by the PyCon US people has some considerably advantages. Thanks to the delay, I think the offer from Chennai which came up has cooled down a little so we're somewhat 50/50 right now energy wise. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 14:06:37 2010 From: thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com (Sreenivas Reddy T) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:36:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Me too think that Bangalore will be the best option because you people conducted the first one so you guys know the pros and cons of conducting PyCon more than anybody else . Anybody can vouch for that. On top of that , i believe this time conference should be more grander than the previous one ,in terms of no of people turned up and sponsorship money and companies sponsored and no of companies. So i think bangalore will be the best option than chennai considering the above parameters. It doesn't seem good to me to give over this Pycon to Chennia guys which is still a baby. May be next year for chennai guys. Nothing personal please!! Thanks & Regards, Sreenivas Reddy Thatiparthy, 9393099772. "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new !!! " --Albert Einstein On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I've gone ahead, taken Saju's suggestion and made a survey at > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QKJ93GC > > All those who have a voice that want to be heard, please respond over > there. > > > > I have also made a wiki page for the details over at > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion where we > > can have more detailed discussions. I encourage editors of the wiki to > > make an account on the wiki so that we know who said what. > > > > I will shortly send out some more mails detailing how I think we > > should go with the whole project. Watch this space! > > I'll keep this open for a few more days to see where we're heading. > > I don't like the quality of responses. There are too many that say > "I'm from Bangalore so it should be in Bangalore". However, Bangalore > is leading right now 16 to 11. > > The popularity contest aside, I feel that Bangalore is the right place > this time as well. The 2 times in one city approach adopted by the > PyCon US people has some considerably advantages. Thanks to the delay, > I think the offer from Chennai which came up has cooled down a little > so we're somewhat 50/50 right now energy wise. > > > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vid at svaksha.com Tue Apr 20 14:17:24 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:47:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 17:19, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> I've gone ahead, taken Saju's suggestion and made a survey at >> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QKJ93GC >> All those who have a voice that want to be heard, please respond over there. >> >> I have also made a wiki page for the details over at >> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion where we >> can have more detailed discussions. I encourage editors of the wiki to >> make an account on the wiki so that we know who said what. Added my comments to the wiki and ofcourse its a +1 for Bangalore on the basis of the twice in a row followed by pycon-US. That said, what about 2011 and beyond? Since the registration and Bank issues would have been sorted out by then, its better if we could plan ahead to avoid the rush we are in now. It would be nicer if folks from other cities bid simultaneously as they would be in a better position to provide more on-ground details. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 20 14:23:15 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:53:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004201753.15512.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 20 Apr 2010 5:19:49 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I will shortly send out some more mails detailing how I think we > > should go with the whole project. Watch this space! > > I'll keep this open for a few more days to see where we're heading. > > I don't like the quality of responses. There are too many that say > "I'm from Bangalore so it should be in Bangalore". However, Bangalore > is leading right now 16 to 11. polls are the worst way of deciding anything - lot of people have no other work than to respond to polls. I for one never vote on polls. But the people to decide are the people who are going to do the work. > > The popularity contest aside, I feel that Bangalore is the right place > this time as well. The 2 times in one city approach adopted by the > PyCon US people has some considerably advantages. Thanks to the delay, > I think the offer from Chennai which came up has cooled down a little > so we're somewhat 50/50 right now energy wise. > I think that we are still going about it backwards. We are yet to decide what kind of conference we are going to have. What is the aim and orientation? If, for example, it is building up community all over India, it makes sense to have it in a different city every time. And it makes sense to hold it in a college/university which gives a readymade audience and saves us a couple of lakhs for venue and infrastructure. if it is a professional event to attract industry, then of course we should hold it in the metros only - and the metros with the most attractive climate, in a good hotel or convention centre, charge much more to make sure that only seriously committed people take part etc etc. do not forget that the US is the most advanced country in the world for this kind of thing and things that weigh with them - two consecutive events in one city, doesnt mean much to us here. There every one who attends will attend regardless of where in the US it is held. Here, things like distance and expense for travel and stay means much more. Or even getting leave to attend. so what is focus of the conference? who is the target participants and audience? As mentioned before, my personal idea is to spend the first few years focussing on newbies and on building community in different parts of the country (with maybe some professional tracks depending on whether we can attract people to write papers *specifically* for this conference or not). But this is a personal opinion - if most of those who are working for the conference feel different, fine with me. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 15:01:00 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:31:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <201004201753.15512.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004201753.15512.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [..] > I think that we are still going about it backwards. We are yet to decide what > kind of conference we are going to have. What is the aim and orientation? If, > for example, it is building up community all over India, it makes sense to > have it in a different city every time. And it makes sense to hold it in a > college/university which gives a readymade audience and saves us a couple of > lakhs for venue and infrastructure. Is it a community event. Something that Python programmers can look forward to and where they can meet and listen to people in the know (perhaps foreign delegates). We don't want to 'recruit' Pythonistas in some sense. My desire is to make it a place where people who are interested in Python (professionals and others) can meet at a single location. It shouldn't be newbie hostile but at the same time shouldn't become a "hello world" type conference. A Lot of criticism the last PyCon received was of this nature (too many tutorial type talks and no real meat). I don't think making it a student event is going to help the community. You'd have a lot of college people listening to simple talks and tweeting about it but experienced Python people would find it a drag and it would die. So, in one statement the aim and orientation is to "Have a conference where Python programmers from around the country can meet, exchange ideas and network". It's *not* an advertising/propaganda campaign for the language as such designed to attract fresh talent. > if it is a professional event to attract industry, then of course we should > hold it in the metros only - and the metros with the most attractive climate, > in a good hotel or convention centre, charge much more to make sure that only > seriously committed people take part etc etc. Industry involvement is limited to sponsorships, sending delegates and perhaps a little networking. This is a community conference. Not a corporate glam fest. > do not forget that the US is the most advanced country in the world for this > kind of thing and things that weigh with them - two consecutive events in one > city, doesnt mean much to us here. There every one who attends will attend > regardless of where in the US it is held. Here, things like distance and > expense for travel and stay means much more. Or even getting leave to attend. > > so what is focus of the conference? who is the target participants and > audience? I've covered this above but the 2 times in one city has advantages not restricted to the US. Learning from mistakes, reusing existing manpower and planning and in this case in my opnion atleast, better climate. > As mentioned before, my personal idea is to spend the first few years focussing > on newbies and on building community in different parts of the country (with > maybe some professional tracks depending on whether we can attract people to > write papers *specifically* for this conference or not). But this is a personal > opinion - if most of those who are working for the conference feel different, > fine with me. I'm not in favour of this. I'd much prefer it to be a hardcore event with perhaps a track or a small session targetting newbies rather than the other way round. I don't want to water it down into a purely newbie event. The difference between RubyConf and PyCon in India was mainly at this point and in favour of the former. Discussions welcome. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 15:02:48 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:32:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <201004201753.15512.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004201753.15512.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [..] > polls are the worst way of deciding anything - lot of people have no other > work than to respond to polls. I for one never vote on polls. But the people > to decide are the people who are going to do the work.[..] It took 5 minutes to set up and publicise and at the very least, we have an extra data point. The discussion died here and this has revivified it. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From srp at ideadevice.com Tue Apr 20 15:11:45 2010 From: srp at ideadevice.com (Saju Pillai) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:41:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004201753.15512.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > So, in one statement the aim and orientation is to "Have a conference > where Python programmers from around the country can meet, exchange > ideas and network". +1. Agree with this. If most people will agree with "meeting/networking" as the aim of the conference, it naturally makes sense to hold the conference where the density of said Python folks is highest (IMO that is Bangalore). -srp From ramdaz at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 15:13:44 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:43:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004201753.15512.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > I'm not in favour of this. I'd much prefer it to be a hardcore event > with perhaps a track or a small session targetting newbies rather than > the other way round. I don't want to water it down into a purely > newbie event. The difference between RubyConf and PyCon in India was > mainly at this point and in favour of the former. > At the end of it, it all boils down to the team behind it, and how they can work around and negate disadvantages associated with the venue. I would give a lot of importance to what sponsors want. Please understand that sponsors look for value, and the venue does impact their decision. The most important questions here are 1) Do we still have enthusiastic guys out there in Chennai or for that matter any other city to take up the event? I am sorry to raise this question, but somewhere I don't see the same kind of enthusiasm that I saw in Q4 2009. Guys, please stand up and be counted.... 2) Has anyone spoken to prospective sponsors and whether they would like to sponsor a conference in Chennai or elsewhere? If so can we have feedback? PS Noufal There are some banners, and some other material that's still lying in my car boot left over at end of conference, which I have been carrying around wherever I go. Can I drop it somewhere? Ramdas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, I look at it this way: Noufal took the initiative to ask for opinions and found an easier option (a poll vs long threads on this list?), so why not appreciate that and get the wheels rolling. > I think that we are still going about it backwards. We are yet to decide what > kind of conference we are going to have. What is the aim and orientation? If, > for example, it is building up community all over India, it makes sense to > have it in a different city every time. And it makes sense to hold it in a > college/university which gives a readymade audience and saves us a couple of > lakhs for venue and infrastructure. > > if it is a professional event to attract industry, then of course we should > hold it in the metros only - and the metros with the most attractive climate, > in a good hotel or convention centre, charge much more to make sure that only > seriously committed people take part etc etc. -1 for the Hotel. I'd vote for keeping pycon for the masses (read: floss community/students/newbies/anyone else who is interested and scales the python learning curve). Also, imho, its not prudent to ignore the corporates who if sponsoring the event would have some expectations (advertising swag, booths, potential recruits, networking, or even showcasing their work, etc..). Why not have parallel tracks (not too obvious and in-your-face) that accomodates them too? Some companies may sponsor their employees too so inpycon could probably offer the corporates a sponsorship package deal of "talk slots+advertising" and plan accordingly. I dont see anything wrong with that. What do others think? Reg. moving to various cities, each year--This is possible only if people from those cities speak up and provide more on-ground details. We would also need to not raise the bar too much before establishing in.pycon and smoothing out the rough edges. For 2011/12 and beyond, I would love to pitch in and help plan ahead with folks from other cities. > do not forget that the US is the most advanced country in the world for this > kind of thing and things that weigh with them - two consecutive events in one > city, doesnt mean much to us here. There every one who attends will attend > regardless of where in the US it is held. Here, things like distance and > expense for travel and stay means much more. Or even getting leave to attend. That is an assumption. The fact is, people over there feel the pinch too. I met many US citizens who shared rooms, requested financial assistance** from PSF, etc...OR were sponsored by their employers. Some gave tutorials and used the money earned to finance their stay and travel expenses. There were also many within the US who did not attend pycon as they could not afford it. ** They published the list on the organizers list and some people were only sponsored for the conference fees (USD300). -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 20 15:33:15 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:03:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 20 Apr 2010 6:41:45 pm Saju Pillai wrote: > > So, in one statement the aim and orientation is to "Have a conference > > where Python programmers from around the country can meet, exchange > > ideas and network". > > +1. Agree with this. > > If most people will agree with "meeting/networking" as the aim of the > conference, it naturally makes sense to hold the conference where the > density of said Python folks is highest (IMO that is Bangalore). > have you checked what proportion of the active membership of bangpypers is *in* Bangalore? The traffic in Chennaipy mailing list is not all that much because most of the members anyway post to bangpypers as it is an older and more established list and most of us feel that there is no point in duplicate posts except for Chennai specific matters. And the same goes for Hyderabad also. Anyway if it is a conference on the lines of what Noufal proposes (which sounds eminently sensible to me) the venue is irrelevant as serious people are going to attend regardless of where it is held. If it attracts them, that is. so does the Indian Python community have enough people to provide real 'meat' for such a conference - or is this something for the future? secondly is this 'meat' applications using python - or on python itself? I think we also need to analyse the participation in the previous conference, where the serious people were from, what was their area of expertise, level of presentation. (we can ignore the newbies and the newbie oriented tutorials which anyway took place in a separate hall away from the main conference) And another thing we have to look at is the low entrance fee. 200-300 is far too low. Any serious person would presumably be earning enough to shell out at least 2K for a conference - and think it is well worth it. these are randomn ideas - I think the time has come to start summarising all these discussions in a wiki page so that we have some idea where we are going. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From srp at ideadevice.com Tue Apr 20 15:42:38 2010 From: srp at ideadevice.com (Saju Pillai) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:12:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tuesday 20 Apr 2010 6:41:45 pm Saju Pillai wrote: >>> So, in one statement the aim and orientation is to "Have a conference >>> where Python programmers from around the country can meet, exchange >>> ideas and network". >> +1. Agree with this. >> >> If most people will agree with "meeting/networking" as the aim of the >> conference, it naturally makes sense to hold the conference where the >> density of said Python folks is highest (IMO that is Bangalore). >> > > have you checked what proportion of the active membership of bangpypers is > *in* Bangalore? The traffic in Chennaipy mailing list is not all that much > because most of the members anyway post to bangpypers as it is an older and > more established list and most of us feel that there is no point in duplicate > posts except for Chennai specific matters. And the same goes for Hyderabad We don't have a simple way of checking the distribution across cities short of asking for a show of hands, which is (almost) what the poll Noufal created does. The poll has been x-posted to the Bangalore & Mumbai list & probably the Chennai list. Lets see what the figures say. -srp > also. Anyway if it is a conference on the lines of what Noufal proposes (which > sounds eminently sensible to me) the venue is irrelevant as serious people are > going to attend regardless of where it is held. If it attracts them, that is. > > so does the Indian Python community have enough people to provide real 'meat' > for such a conference - or is this something for the future? > > secondly is this 'meat' applications using python - or on python itself? > > I think we also need to analyse the participation in the previous conference, > where the serious people were from, what was their area of expertise, level of > presentation. (we can ignore the newbies and the newbie oriented tutorials > which anyway took place in a separate hall away from the main conference) > > And another thing we have to look at is the low entrance fee. 200-300 is far > too low. Any serious person would presumably be earning enough to shell out at > least 2K for a conference - and think it is well worth it. > > these are randomn ideas - I think the time has come to start summarising all > these discussions in a wiki page so that we have some idea where we are going. > From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 20 15:50:30 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:20:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> References: <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: <201004201920.31091.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 20 Apr 2010 7:12:38 pm Saju Pillai wrote: > We don't have a simple way of checking the distribution across cities > short of asking for a show of hands, which is (almost) what the poll > Noufal created does. The poll has been x-posted to the Bangalore & > Mumbai list & probably the Chennai list. Lets see what the figures say. > will check out the database of the people who attended and who spoke at the last conference - may help to get a picture. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From vid at svaksha.com Tue Apr 20 16:26:37 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:56:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 16:02, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Hello everyone, > ?I have here a page that details the budget estimates for the > conference. http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/BudgetEstimates > > ?The numbers are mostly pulled out of thin air so feel free to > edit/discuss. Once this is clarified, we'd know how much to make from > sponsors and what to do/where to go. Let' get this over within a week > and start off with the heavy lifting from next week. Some suggestions: 0. Offer corporates various packages for sponsoring the event. It could be slab rates for "advertising/swag+booths", or "booths for recruitment+talks". Companies sending employees to showcase their work could be charged delegate fees+ talk slots besides sponsorship. 1. Registration fees: Keep 3-tiers slab rates. One for students. Two, for speakers and project contributors and Third for corporate delegates. For students, by increasing the registration fee to anything beyond "200-250INR per head" we are risking non-attendance. For example, a MAA-BLR via the Brindavan express would only cost a student from Chennai 150 bucks. Double it for return journey. Why would a student or even an employed person shell out 2000 bucks? Even if I agree with Kenneth that "200-300 is low" l honestly dont think INR 2000 per head is a workable suggestion even for folks who rake in the moolah. From an employee perspective, for people who are not from Bangalore "registration" is not the only expense. They would have to cover hotel expenses, travel cost, and other incidental expenses. This holds true when you move to any other metro --For example, if in.pycon moves to Delhi or Mumbai or elsewhere, factor in the travel time by train vs air vs the cost in terms of leave from work, hence lost earnings. Add in other expenses mentioned above and the price rises. Something to think about before we etch things in stone. 2. For 2010, getting speakers from outside India eats up 25% of the budget estimates. Do we know for sure if these two speakers will pull in the crowds and increase attendees beyond the budgeted 500 people? 3. At pycon, there was one hall with folks selling wares, swag, books, etc... during the conference. I am not sure how this would tie-in with the venue or if it is permitted at all. If yes, we can try asking AirTel to provide wifi in exchange for a booth selling pre-paid cards or talktime? -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 17:05:07 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:35:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:56 PM, ?????? wrote: [..] > 2. For 2010, getting speakers from outside India eats up 25% of the > budget estimates. Do we know for sure if these two speakers will pull > in the crowds and increase attendees beyond the budgeted 500 people? I'm against inviting speakers to "pull the crows and increase attendees". I find the idea repulsive and that's putting it mildly. I think the conference would be richer with their experience (since they've been involved with the language and community for longer than most of us). > 3. ?At pycon, there was one hall with folks selling wares, swag, > books, etc... during the conference. I am not sure how this would > tie-in with the venue or if it is permitted at all. If yes, we can try > asking AirTel to provide wifi in exchange for a booth selling pre-paid > cards or talktime? That's a possibility but it's sponsor specific. I'd like some discussion on the budget to see if it's roughly accurate so that we can get things moving. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anirudh.asokan at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 17:18:59 2010 From: anirudh.asokan at gmail.com (Anirudh Asokan) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:48:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 12, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Im for Bangalore for obvious reasons.. -- Anirudh www.anirudh.ind.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vid at svaksha.com Tue Apr 20 17:20:36 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:50:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 20:35, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:56 PM, ?????? wrote: > [..] >> 2. For 2010, getting speakers from outside India eats up 25% of the >> budget estimates. Do we know for sure if these two speakers will pull >> in the crowds and increase attendees beyond the budgeted 500 people? > > I'm against inviting speakers to "pull the crows and increase > attendees". I find the idea repulsive and that's putting it mildly. I > think the conference would be richer with their experience (since > they've been involved with the language and community for longer than > most of us). Well most conferences invite foreign speakers to increase attendance so.....*shrug*. I concur with the "learning from experience" bit but from the estimates you put up its a fairly large chunk of the budget. To err on the conservative side, unless we have some figures or talk to sponsors, how do we go ahead with this for 2010 or should we look at this for 2011 when (I assume) the dust would have settled and there would be more time to plan/budget. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 20 17:21:18 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:51:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 12, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004202051.18665.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 20 Apr 2010 8:48:59 pm Anirudh Asokan wrote: > Im for Bangalore for obvious reasons.. > what are the obvious reasons? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 18:09:00 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:39:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:50 PM, ?????? wrote: [..] > Well most conferences invite foreign speakers to increase attendance > so.....*shrug*. ?I concur with the "learning from experience" bit but > from the estimates you put up its a fairly large chunk of the budget. Yes and I think it's worth it if we can get sponsors to cover that part of the budget. > To err on the conservative side, unless we have some figures or talk > to sponsors, how do we go ahead with this for 2010 or should we look > at this for 2011 when (I assume) the dust would have settled and there > would be more time to plan/budget. I have been making a ruckus for a while now saying that our planning is delayed and that we have to at the very least postpone the event to OCtober or November but a many people (including yourself IIRC) said that there's still enough time. I'm asking for discussions on the budget and to arrive at concrete figures so that we *do* have something to go to the sponsors with. We're short of time so I don't want to drag this on for more than a week. [..] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 18:14:57 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:44:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004201753.15512.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Ramdas S wrote: [..] > 1) Do we still have enthusiastic guys out there in Chennai or for that > matter any other city to take up the event? I am sorry to raise this > question, but somewhere I don't see the same kind of enthusiasm that I saw > in Q4 2009. Guys, please stand up and be counted.... > > 2) Has anyone spoken to prospective sponsors and whether they would like to > sponsor a conference in Chennai or elsewhere? If so can we have feedback? We need to arrive at an approximate budget before we can talk to any. I've started a thread discussing that. I'd appreciate your comments. [..] > There are some banners, and some other material that's still lying in my car > boot left over at end of conference, which I have been carrying around > wherever I go. Can I drop it somewhere? If it's a big encumbrance, you can give them to me sometime. There's no real storage we can put them in as of now. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 18:24:33 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:54:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [..] > have you checked what proportion of the active membership of bangpypers is > *in* Bangalore? The traffic in Chennaipy mailing list is not all that much > because most of the members anyway post to bangpypers as it is an older and > more established list and most of us feel that there is no point in duplicate > posts except for Chennai specific matters. And the same goes for Hyderabad > also. Anyway if it is a conference on the lines of what Noufal proposes (which > sounds eminently sensible to me) the venue is irrelevant as serious people are > going to attend regardless of where it is held. If it attracts them, that is. > > so does the Indian Python community have enough people to provide real 'meat' > for such a conference - or is this something for the future? I think it does. We watered it down a little too much last time IMHO and need to fix that. I think if 50-60% of the talks are advanced and if we get one or two people from abroad who can liven it up, we can hold a much better conference this time. A separate newbie track would be nice too to get that out of the way. > secondly is this 'meat' applications using python - or on python itself? I fail to see the difference. Anything related to the language. Applications written in Python and the language core are both necessary to keep the language and community going so both will be welcome. > I think we also need to analyse the participation in the previous conference, > where the serious people were from, what was their area of expertise, level of > presentation. (we can ignore the newbies and the newbie oriented tutorials > which anyway took place in a separate hall away from the main conference) That's a valid point. I did do *some* homework and my overall feeling (although I don't have numbers to substantiate this) is that the conference didn't really cater to the serious programmer crowd. There were also many people who were sub standard presenters (language and preparation wise) which detracted from the quality of the conf. We didnt filter out proposals properly (no one had time so I did it myself and got the list reviewed by Baiju and a few others). I personally didn't find any talks that really challenged me but I didn't attend most of them since I was running around with details. > And another thing we have to look at is the low entrance fee. 200-300 is far > too low. Any serious person would presumably be earning enough to shell out at > least 2K for a conference - and think it is well worth it. We could tier it (student, corporate etc.) I don't see a need to raise the fees just for the sake of raising the fees. > these are randomn ideas - I think the time has come to start summarising all > these discussions in a wiki page so that we have some idea where we are going. Let is go on for a while longer and someone can summarise this. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 18:26:08 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:56:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Saju Pillai wrote: [..] > We don't have a simple way of checking the distribution across cities short > of asking for a show of hands, which is (almost) what the poll Noufal > created does. The poll has been x-posted to the Bangalore & Mumbai list & > probably the Chennai list. Lets see what the figures say.[..] 69 votes so far. 45 Bangalore (65%) 24 Chennai (35%) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From santhosh.divakar at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 18:52:48 2010 From: santhosh.divakar at gmail.com (Santhosh Divakar) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:22:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > I have been making a ruckus for a while now saying that our planning > is delayed and that we have to at the very least postpone the event to > OCtober or November but a many people (including yourself IIRC) said > that there's still enough time. > > I'm asking for discussions on the budget and to arrive at concrete > figures so that we *do* have something to go to the sponsors with. > We're short of time so I don't want to drag this on for more than a > week. > > [..] > > The budget in the page definitely looks good for a start. Since the swag and food costs were around 120,000 last time I would guesstimate it to be slightly higher at around 1.4L ( which includes the miscellaneous ). With respect to slabs for registration, why cant we have just 2 slabs?, again the last time we had some trouble due to the early-bird registration. Keeping things simpler helps IMHO. -Thanks Santhosh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reg, foreign speakers, it was mentioned in earlier threads, some said it should be Indian and there were a lot more suggestions BUT there was no firm consensus on whether we _should_ nor who should be invited for 2010 and _how_ this would impact the budget. Well, if we can find corporate sponsors for the speakers without draining last years pool.... yay, Great :) Until then I prefer to err on the "local" side :) > I'm asking for discussions on the budget and to arrive at concrete > figures so that we *do* have something to go to the sponsors with. > We're short of time so I don't want to drag this on for more than a > week. For the above, we need to decide on the "city" first, dates and venue next and then the rest............... -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 19:12:04 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:42:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Santhosh Divakar wrote: [..] > With respect to slabs for registration, why cant we have just 2 slabs?, > again the last time we had some trouble due to the early-bird registration. > Keeping things simpler helps IMHO.[..] True. I also think outsourcing the registration process to doattend like the RubyConf guys did is a swell idea. It reduced the lengths are the registration queue and made things generally a lot smoother. If early bird people have registered and paid up front, it means that they just walk in, pick up swag and go on with their business. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 19:20:19 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:50:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Santhosh Divakar wrote: [..] > The budget in the page definitely looks good for a start. Since the swag and > food costs were around 120,000 last time I would guesstimate it to be > slightly higher at around 1.4L ( which includes the miscellaneous ). > > With respect to slabs for registration, why cant we have just 2 slabs?, > again the last time we had some trouble due to the early-bird registration. > Keeping things simpler helps IMHO.[..] Since the budget is on the high side, we'd need to start talking to sponsors early. No later than the mid May or so. We'd need to make tiers, break it down, shortlist potential sponsors, make brochures and meet them. This would also mandate that we need a site up and running before all this. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:01:05 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:31:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: okay the long awaited response from the Chennai team and my arguments for it in no particular order, 1) The enthusiasm did not die down. we just put it in temporary abeyance, because we felt that the society matter had to be sorted first. thats the reason for the long silence. There are lots of people ready to contribute. last week at barcamp i met atleast 4 people who came to me and asked why there was silence in the lists, and who were ready to take the grunt of the fieldwork. Also, the silence in the ChennaiPy group does not directly imply a dormant group. as Kenneth put it, bangpypers has become a trans-india group and people prefer posting to / replying to it than their local UG. its a complicated cycle. more people post to bangpypers because there are more people on it and more people join bangpypers because there are more posts on it. 2) I am not convinced with the "majority people required in the ground team" to run around concept. the last pycon had a considerable number of people working for it across cities. ofcourse i am not trying to belittle the contribution of the ground team who did the grunt work. what i am trying to say is that, most activities associated with the conference (like raising sponsorship, spreading the word etc) can be done by any person with a working internet connection and a telephone line, sitting out of Timbuktu for all you know. I am speaking out of experience here, fortunately i have had the opportunity to be in the core team of Proto.in. we have not had any problem what so ever to run the show in any given city(most of the team sits out of chennai). * Ground work is templatized and WILL fall in place in due time. * 3) The real concern to me right now is the total number of volunteers ready to do the running around across the nation. the poll asks for which city people prefer, thats good, but it does not answer, what seems to be the most vital question to me. * can you help us run pycon india? * that to me is the vital question which needs to be answered. that again i guess will help us know how many people are ready to do the grunt work / running around at the ground level. and how many are ready to contribute virtually. 4) Also, we need to find a way to filter out people's personal preference. on a personal note anyone would prefer his/her home town. i would certainly prefer chennai, personally, but as an organizer i must not look at my personal convenience, but find out and host the event at a place that would do good to Python. in that regard i would rather go and promote / create a buzz around python in a place which has lesser python developers(chennai) and to which the pthers can commute easily, than in a place which has more(bangalore). [no i am not suggesting a n00b conference, i hope i am understood in the right context] 5) Chennai's weather is not all that bad in September. in fact spetember to november is THE time to be in Chennai. 6) Travel again should not be a point of concern. people who come in from the north usually fly in,(i dont see people taking a train, and even if they do, the train time from delhi to chennai and bangalore are only different by a few hours). Flight time to bangalore and chennai is roughly the same. Also you should remember that the Chennai airport is not all that far away from the city. why all that, i can positively say that on a given weekday it would take as long for a person flying down from delhi to reach a venue in south bangalore as it would take a south-banglorean to reach a venue in Chennai. Finally, We at ChennaiPy are enthusiastic and would be happy to host inPyCon, but at the same time if that were not the case we are not going to draw a long face and walk away, inPyCon is pan India and we will be happy to contribute to it where ever it happens. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anirudh.asokan at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:01:50 2010 From: anirudh.asokan at gmail.com (Anirudh Asokan) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:31:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 12, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oblivious reasons to make Bangalore the venue for pycon 2010 * More number of potential audience. More audience = more sponsors ------ * Bangalore has higher number of IT related companies, therefore more tech crowd. -------* Bangalore has higher number of Professional Colleges, so more students will be able to attend. -------* Sheer population of Bangalore. According to probability theory, chances of more people turning up is higher. * At this stage we I think we should concentrate on more successful conferences(for which Bangalore is proven) than reaching out to more cities. * Number of IT related conferences held in Bangalore is way higher than Chennai. There must be a reason behind it which should apply here as well. -- Anirudh Asokan, www.anirudh.ind.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From santhosh.divakar at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:05:53 2010 From: santhosh.divakar at gmail.com (Santhosh Divakar) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:35:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [...] > True. I also think outsourcing the registration process to doattend > like the RubyConf guys did is a swell idea. It reduced the lengths are > the registration queue and made things generally a lot smoother. If > early bird people have registered and paid up front, it means that > they just walk in, pick up swag and go on with their business. > > [...] Outsourcing definitely is a good idea, but wouldn't that just add to the expenditure ( and overhead of tracking/accounting )? Last time except for the queues we had a pretty clean registration happening. We could get a efficient system in place with the help of few hands. RubyConf was driven by corporates where cost is a second thought. This is more of volunteer effort, therefore my case. -Thanks Santhosh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not too much, it's probably worth it and we can factor that into the registration costs itself. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:18:50 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:48:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > We'll see how much extra it will cost us. If not too much, it's > probably worth it and we can factor that into the registration costs > itself. +1 -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought, Kaushik was taking it up and if not there is Kenneth who wanted to hold it and had always conveyed this message. +1 for Chennai. -- Senthil Tell the truth or trump--but get the trick. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:27:54 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:57:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100420182754.GB13770@remy> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:36:32PM +0530, ?????? wrote: > > For the above, we need to decide on the "city" first, dates and venue > next and then the rest............... > I don't recollect why someone went back from the decided 'city'. Further, I wont be able to discuss on the lists too, so I just hope that Kaushik or Kenneth are more vocal and just go forward. AFAIR, they very much wanted to have it in Chennai. So, we left it that way. In would be bad to compare with us.pycon. It is not a requirement as such to have in a same place twice. -- Senthil Q: What do you call a blind pre-historic animal? A: Diyathinkhesaurus. Q: What do you call a blind pre-historic animal with a dog? A: Diyathinkhesaurus Rex. From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:29:56 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:59:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <20100420182754.GB13770@remy> References: <20100420182754.GB13770@remy> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:36:32PM +0530, ??????? ?wrote: >> >> For the above, we need to decide on the "city" first, dates and venue >> next and then the rest............... >> > I don't recollect why someone went back from the decided 'city'. > Further, I wont be able to discuss on the lists too, so I just hope > that Kaushik or Kenneth are more vocal and just go forward. It wasn't decided. The last email mentioned Chennai but no one really agreed or commited. > AFAIR, they very much wanted to have it in Chennai. So, we left it > that way. In would be bad to compare with us.pycon. It is not a > requirement as such to have in a same place twice. It's not a requirement but it is a good thing. There are other issues which are on the wiki page and which have been mentioned in this thread. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:30:09 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:00:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <20100420183009.GC13770@remy> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 05:36:37PM +0530, Sreenivas Reddy T wrote: > It doesn't seem good to me to give over this Pycon to Chennia guys which is > still a baby. > May be next year for chennai guys. The theory does not seem to fit in Sreenivas. Just join us whereever we conduct, be at chennai or blore. Will you? You will definitely find it more enjoyable than last year. And yes this applies specifically to having pycon at chennai. -- Senthil Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:31:05 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:01:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <20100420183105.GD13770@remy> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 05:47:24PM +0530, ?????? wrote: > Added my comments to the wiki and ofcourse its a +1 for Bangalore on > the basis of the twice in a row followed by pycon-US. That said, what Bad argument. It is like that in US because Hyatt gives a discount. It does not require us to follow that. -- Senthil It was all so different before everything changed. From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:40:45 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:10:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: <20100420184045.GE13770@remy> Hey Kausikram and Kenneth, It is just simple. I think, you guys wanted to take it forward this year. So, please do it. Let us not discuss it back and forth, does not achieve any purpose. Polls does not help. Please, put up a poll with two different colleges in chennai, And you will still see good number of respondents giving their preference. And Noufal: I have not been following the list for a while, So I do not know as why the venue discussion has come again. But you sure know that decision has to be taken by individual (or a select group of individuals) and it has to be stood firm. So, I was think that we are firm in that Chennai will have it this year and we all from Bangalore will be going to present there. :) Anyways, we can sort this out quickly and inform us all about the details, A rough plan might have to be drawn by a select few (1 or 2 or 3 ) and discussed further. Also, Chennai being closer to Bangalore (or vice-versa), it does not make much difference IMO. I would have really cared, if it were in say New Delhi or say Mumbai. -- Senthil On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:31:05PM +0530, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > okay the long awaited response from the Chennai team and my arguments for it in > no particular order, > > 1) The enthusiasm did not die down. we just put it in temporary?abeyance, > because we felt that the society matter had to be sorted first. thats the > reason for the long silence. There are lots of people ready to contribute. last > week at barcamp i met atleast 4 people who came to me and asked why there was > silence in the lists, and who were ready to take the grunt of the fieldwork. > Also, the silence in the ChennaiPy group does not directly imply a dormant > group. as Kenneth put it, bangpypers has become a trans-india group and people > prefer posting to / replying to it than their local UG. its a complicated > cycle. more people post to bangpypers because there are more people on it and > more people join bangpypers because there are more posts on it. > > 2) I am not convinced with the "majority people required in the ground team" to > run around concept. the last pycon had a considerable number of people working > for it across cities. ofcourse i am not trying to belittle the contribution of > the ground team who did the grunt work. what i am trying to say is that, most > activities?associated?with the conference (like raising sponsorship, spreading > the word etc) can be done by any person with a working internet connection and > a telephone line, sitting out of?Timbuktu?for all you know. I am speaking out > of experience here, fortunately i have had the?opportunity?to be in the core > team of Proto.in. we have not had any problem what so ever to run the show in > any given city(most of the team sits out of chennai). * Ground work is > templatized and WILL fall in place in due time. * > > 3) The real concern to me right now is the total number of volunteers ready to > do the running around across the nation. the poll asks for which city people > prefer, thats good, but it does not answer, what seems to be the most vital > question to me. * can you help us run pycon india? * ?that to me is the vital > question which needs to be answered. that again i guess will help us know how > many people are ready to do the grunt work / running around at the ground > level. and how many are ready to contribute virtually. > > 4) Also,?we need to?find a way to filter out people's personal preference. on a > personal note anyone would prefer his/her home town. i would certainly prefer > chennai, personally, but as an organizer i must not look at my personal > convenience, but find out and host the event at a place that would do good to > Python. in that regard i would rather go and promote / create a buzz around > python in a place which has lesser python developers(chennai) and to which the > pthers can commute easily, than in a place which has more(bangalore). [no i am > not suggesting a n00b conference, i hope i am understood in the right context] > > 5) Chennai's weather is not all that bad in?September. in fact spetember to > november is THE time to be in Chennai. > > 6) Travel again should not be a point of concern. people who come in from the > north usually fly in,(i dont see people taking a train, and even if they do, > the train time from delhi to chennai and bangalore are only different by a few > hours). Flight time to bangalore and chennai is roughly the same. Also you > should remember that the Chennai airport is not all that far away from the > city. why all that, i can positively say that on a given weekday it would take > as long for a person flying down from delhi to reach a venue in south bangalore > as it would take a south-banglorean to reach a venue in Chennai. > > Finally, We at ChennaiPy are enthusiastic and would be happy to host inPyCon, > but at the same time if that were not the case we are not going to draw a long > face and walk away, inPyCon is pan India and we will be happy to contribute to > it where ever it happens. > > --? > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -- Senthil Let us endeavor so to live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:48:16 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:18:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <20100420182754.GB13770@remy> Message-ID: <20100420184816.GF13770@remy> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:59:56PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > It wasn't decided. The last email mentioned Chennai but no one really > agreed or commited. Put it the other way. Kenneth and Kaushik really really showed their interest in having it at Chennai and we were fine with it, only that we were thinking if having it at Blore again would be good idea. But slowly, I personally thought, it does not matter, if someone is really enthu enough, it is nice to let them conduct. :) So, I thought it will be at Chennai. -- Senthil Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:51:34 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:21:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <20100420184816.GF13770@remy> References: <20100420182754.GB13770@remy> <20100420184816.GF13770@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:59:56PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> It wasn't decided. The last email mentioned Chennai but no one really >> agreed or commited. > > Put it the other way. Kenneth and Kaushik really really showed their > interest in having it at Chennai and we were fine with it, only that > we were thinking if having it at Blore again would be good idea. > > But slowly, I personally thought, it does not matter, if someone is > really enthu enough, it is nice to let them conduct. :) So, I thought > it will be at Chennai. There are practical concerns. Availability of sponsors, availability of volunteers, preference of the general Indian Python crowd, weather, venues etc. It's not a decision to be made based purely on enthusiasm. The poll (for whatever it's worth) is tilting towards Bangalore. There was a discussion about this. I got busy with my work for the APAC PyCon and so couldn't follow up. The thread quickly stopped and no decisions were taken. This is my attempt to revive it and actually close it with a concrete decision. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Tue Apr 20 20:51:58 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:21:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <20100420183105.GD13770@remy> References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100420183105.GD13770@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 00:01, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 05:47:24PM +0530, ??????? ?wrote: >> Added my comments to the wiki and ofcourse its a +1 for Bangalore on >> the basis of the twice in a row followed by pycon-US. That said, what > > Bad argument. It is like that in US because Hyatt gives a discount. > It does not require us to follow that. It helps to check before making a statement. Fwiw, Hyatt Regency O'Hare[0] and Crowne Plaza Chicago O'Hare dont sound like the same hotel being used to hold pycons twice in Chicago. [0] http://us.pycon.org/2009/chicago/hotel/ [1] http://us.pycon.org/2008/chicago/hotel/ So are you against the twice in a city suggestion or against it just because the US does it and we should not follow them or some other reason? I agree that at this point in time we should have fixed the city, and maybe looking at sponsors, etc... but , there was not much response from Chennai team nor comments on the problems they faced. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2010-April/001795.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2010-April/001802.html There were other mails on the same subject so feel free to look into the archives. There was another thread which discussed venues in chennai and then it died till Noufal pinged folks again. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 21:01:03 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:31:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <20100420182754.GB13770@remy> <20100420184816.GF13770@remy> Message-ID: <20100420190103.GG13770@remy> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:21:34AM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > There are practical concerns. Availability of sponsors, availability > of volunteers, preference of the general Indian Python crowd, weather, > venues etc. It's not a decision to be made based purely on enthusiasm. - This can be left to ppl taking it (Kaushik and Kenneth, if at Chennai). They might like to handle this challenge. We can help them, if they want. > The poll (for whatever it's worth) is tilting towards Bangalore. - This may not be a reasonable thing to do. > There was a discussion about this. I got busy with my work for the > APAC PyCon and so couldn't follow up. The thread quickly stopped and > no decisions were taken. This is my attempt to revive it and actually > close it with a concrete decision. > That is nice. But on my side, I just arrived late and I am finding this discussion strange. I hope this closes down soon too. On personal side again, I definitely wont be able to contribute as much (or as little) I could last year, so I was thinking more in terms of siding towards where there is enthusiasm and of course, I do trust the people. -- Senthil From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 21:08:06 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:38:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <201004072022.40910.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004080715.40039.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100420183105.GD13770@remy> Message-ID: <20100420190806.GH13770@remy> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:21:58AM +0530, ?????? wrote: > It helps to check before making a statement. Fwiw, Hyatt Regency > O'Hare[0] and Crowne Plaza Chicago O'Hare dont sound like the same > hotel being used to hold pycons twice in Chicago. > > [0] http://us.pycon.org/2009/chicago/hotel/ > [1] http://us.pycon.org/2008/chicago/hotel/ I knew this from a personal contact who had shared the details. We had Conf days at Hyatt and Sprints in Crowne Plaza. But be whatever, it hardly matters to us in India. > I agree that at this point in time we should have fixed the city, and > maybe looking at sponsors, etc... but , there was not much response > from Chennai team nor comments on the problems they faced. > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2010-April/001795.html > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2010-April/001802.html > There were other mails on the same subject so feel free to look into > the archives. There was another thread which discussed venues in > chennai and then it died till Noufal pinged folks again. > Oh this is interesting. And thank you for pointing that out. I do not know the details, but as you are saying, if that is true, what is happening is fine, as in you are committed and so is Noufal for PyCon in India. I personally wondered why someone wants to kindle a thread in April for a event in September. And yeah, I am not directly involved in organizing stuff, but would plan to help the folks who plan to organize it. -- Senthil You are sick, twisted and perverted. I like that in a person. From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 21:08:21 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:38:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <20100420190103.GG13770@remy> References: <20100420182754.GB13770@remy> <20100420184816.GF13770@remy> <20100420190103.GG13770@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: [..] > On personal side again, I definitely wont be able to contribute as > much (or as little) I could last year, so I was thinking more in terms > of siding towards where there is enthusiasm and of course, I do trust > the people.[..] Oh. I don't think it's a Chennai vs. Bangalore thing community wise. Regardless of where we're holding it, I'm sure the people would work towards it. I know I would and Kausik has voiced similar sentiments in his email. Like I mentioned, it's PyCon India and not Pycon Bangalore or Pycon Chennai. The discussion is trying to converge at where we're like to hold it. What are the pros and cons and stuff like that. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From srp at ideadevice.com Tue Apr 20 21:28:43 2010 From: srp at ideadevice.com (Saju Pillai) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:58:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <20100420184045.GE13770@remy> References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> <20100420184045.GE13770@remy> Message-ID: <4BCE006B.1070801@ideadevice.com> Senthil Kumaran wrote: > Hey Kausikram and Kenneth, > > It is just simple. I think, you guys wanted to take it forward this > year. So, please do it. Let us not discuss it back and forth, does not > achieve any purpose. > > Polls does not help. Please, put up a poll with two different colleges > in chennai, And you will still see good number of respondents giving > their preference. Don't confuse the poll as the final authority on deciding where pycon should be held. The poll is a datapoint for which-ever group will make the final decision. The poll data would be helpful when a very large number of (serious) would be delegates show a strong preference for 1 city against another. As some have pointed out, the bigger question is to figure out the purpose of the conference. That in itself will go a long way in figuring out where the conference should be held. The choice of Chennai/Hyderabad/Delhi or any other city should not be made be made "because the last conf was in Bangalore so we have to hold it elsewhere". Each venue should be considered based on its merits and if it suits the (still ambiguous) purpose of the conference. I fully support the committee/group selecting a venue by some consensus when multiple venues don't have enough differentiation. We are not there yet, lots of other factors are still being figured out & they can help decide where the venue should be. > > And Noufal: I have not been following the list for a while, So I do > not know as why the venue discussion has come again. But you sure > know that decision has to be taken by individual (or a select group of > individuals) and it has to be stood firm. So, I was think that we are > firm in that Chennai will have it this year and we all from Bangalore > will be going to present there. :) > > Anyways, we can sort this out quickly and inform us all about the > details, A rough plan might have to be drawn by a select few (1 or 2 > or 3 ) and discussed further. > > Also, Chennai being closer to Bangalore (or vice-versa), it does not > make much difference IMO. I would have really cared, if it were in say > New Delhi or say Mumbai. > IMO Cities make a huge difference, not everyone from Chennai who would come to a local conf will be willing to travel & stay in Bangalore for a multi day conf and vice versa. -srp From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 21 03:38:43 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:08:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 12, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004210708.43658.lawgon@au-kbc.org> where did you get these 'facts' from? your mail sounds like the ongoing debates between the IT ministries of KN, TN and AP! It is not a question of which city is 'better' or has more professional colleges etc etc. But you are right in characterising the reasons given as 'oblivious' On Tuesday 20 Apr 2010 11:31:50 pm Anirudh Asokan wrote: > oblivious reasons to make Bangalore the venue for pycon 2010 > > * More number of potential audience. More audience = more sponsors > ------ * Bangalore has higher number of IT related companies, therefore > more tech crowd. > -------* Bangalore has higher number of Professional Colleges, so more > students will be able to attend. > -------* Sheer population of Bangalore. According to probability theory, > chances of more people turning up is higher. > > * At this stage we I think we should concentrate on more successful > conferences(for which Bangalore is proven) than reaching out to more > cities. > > * Number of IT related conferences held in Bangalore is way higher than > Chennai. There must be a reason behind it which should apply here as well. > > -- > Anirudh Asokan, > www.anirudh.ind.in > -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From vid at svaksha.com Wed Apr 21 04:38:16 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:08:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 23:35, Santhosh Divakar wrote: > Outsourcing definitely is a good idea, but wouldn't that just add to the > expenditure ( and overhead of tracking/accounting )? > Last time except for the queues we had a pretty clean registration > happening. We could get a efficient system in place with the help of few > hands. RubyConf was driven by corporates where cost is a second thought. > This is more of volunteer effort, therefore my case. Here is an option: Since web2conf[0], a web2py application is available to other pycon teams that wish to use it for local events, we could consider using it. Its currently used for pycon registration (its not the entire site) and the Brazilian team has an updated version for the current web2py which is yet to be merged into the repo. Its a separate app that serves the registration sub-pages and functions and does not share data tables, nor logins (this means folks will have to register separately for registration) with the "main conference site". Thoughts? [0] http://code.google.com/p/web2conf/source/browse/?repo=pycon2010 For payments they use Google checkout[1][2], which lists the transaction costs[3] for the service. It accepts debit cards and credit cards, whose payments status is updated automatically with messages from Google Checkout (as it would be for other processors). Alternate payment systems (like cash, check) are entered manually via a manager login into payment records in web2conf[0]. So would folks prefer paying online for early registration? If people who registered early would prefer cash this will not be a minor activity and would be nicer to have a team of maybe 2-3 people who can manage the records manually. [1] http://checkout.google.com [2] http://code.google.com/apis/checkout/index.html [3] http://checkout.google.com/seller/fees.html That is the updated feedback I got from the pycon site maintainer(s). Thoughts/questions welcome. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 04:51:28 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:21:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:08 AM, ?????? wrote: > > Here is an option: Since web2conf[0], a web2py application is > available to other pycon teams that wish to use it for local events, > we could consider using it. Its currently used for pycon registration > (its not the entire site) and the Brazilian team has an updated > version for the current web2py which is yet to be merged into the > repo. Its a separate app that serves the registration sub-pages and > functions and does not share data tables, nor logins (this means folks > will have to register separately for registration) with the "main > conference site". Thoughts? > > [0] http://code.google.com/p/web2conf/source/browse/?repo=pycon2010 What happened to Kenneth's conf management app ? Though it needs a serious face-lift, but that is more of front-end work. > For payments they use Google checkout[1][2], which lists the > transaction costs[3] for the service. It accepts debit cards and > credit cards, whose payments status is updated automatically with > messages from Google Checkout (as it would be for other processors). > Alternate payment systems (like cash, check) are entered manually via > a manager login into payment records in web2conf[0]. > So would folks prefer paying online for early registration? If people > who registered early would prefer cash this will not be a minor > activity and would be nicer to have a team of maybe 2-3 people who can > manage the records manually. > > There are issue with online payments, specially fraud detection. Commercial organizations normally have some sort of insurance against frauds but in case of non-profits, no such cover exists. This can be problematic. Secondly, services like google checkout and paypal wont receive funds in INR and they will also require us to have a credit card in the name of Indian Python Software Society, which is another accounting headache. I would suggest to keep the overheads to minimum, lets stick to collecting cash or DD at the venue. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 21 05:10:29 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:40:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 8:21:28 am Vivek Khurana wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:08 AM, ?????? wrote: > > Here is an option: Since web2conf[0], a web2py application is > > available to other pycon teams that wish to use it for local events, > > we could consider using it. Its currently used for pycon registration > > (its not the entire site) and the Brazilian team has an updated > > version for the current web2py which is yet to be merged into the > > repo. Its a separate app that serves the registration sub-pages and > > functions and does not share data tables, nor logins (this means folks > > will have to register separately for registration) with the "main > > conference site". Thoughts? > > > > [0] http://code.google.com/p/web2conf/source/browse/?repo=pycon2010 > > What happened to Kenneth's conf management app ? Though it needs a serious > face-lift, but that is more of front-end work. as is well known - a prophet is without honour in his home country! However, at the risk of being accused of blowing my own trumphet, this app has proved succesful in two conferences so far (although it does need some css love - which is not mission critical) > > > For payments they use Google checkout[1][2], which lists the > > transaction costs[3] for the service. It accepts debit cards and > > credit cards, whose payments status is updated automatically with > > messages from Google Checkout (as it would be for other processors). > > Alternate payment systems (like cash, check) are entered manually via > > a manager login into payment records in web2conf[0]. > > So would folks prefer paying online for early registration? If people > > who registered early would prefer cash this will not be a minor > > activity and would be nicer to have a team of maybe 2-3 people who can > > manage the records manually. > > There are issue with online payments, specially fraud detection. > Commercial organizations normally have some sort of insurance against > frauds but in case of non-profits, no such cover exists. This can be > problematic. Secondly, services like google checkout and paypal wont > receive funds in INR and they will also require us to have a credit card > in the name of Indian Python Software Society, which is another accounting > headache. I would suggest to keep the overheads to minimum, lets stick to > collecting cash or DD at the venue. > we certainly do not need things like google/paypal (I mean what would happen if after we have collected all the money and when we need to spend it these guys suddenly stop payment to India due to some dispute with RBI or GOI?). We have a society, and will shortly be having a bank account and a PAN number. There is no big deal in taking an account with something like CCAvenue to enable payment online with cc, dc, netbanking, cashcards or even plain old neft transfer or cheque or dd. We will anyway need this for collecting our membership fees and donations to the society. I have used ccavenue for various clients over the past 6 years and can vouch for them. They have local offices and abide by all the local rules. And integration with the existing software will take about half an hour. As for outsourcing all this - it makes me uncomfortable. We *are* supposed to be programmers aren't we? and we *do* know that python kicks ass don't we? do we really need to outsource to some company that probably uses VB or asp or whatever? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From vid at svaksha.com Wed Apr 21 05:15:50 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:45:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 08:21, Vivek Khurana wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:08 AM, ?????? wrote: >> >> Here is an option: ?Since web2conf[0], a web2py application is >> available to other pycon teams that wish to use it for local events, >> we could consider using it. Its currently used for pycon registration >> (its not the entire site) and the Brazilian team has an updated >> version for the current web2py which is yet to be merged into the >> repo. Its a separate app that serves the registration sub-pages and >> functions and does not share data tables, nor logins (this means folks >> will have to register separately for registration) with the ?"main >> conference site". ?Thoughts? >> >> [0] http://code.google.com/p/web2conf/source/browse/?repo=pycon2010 > > ?What happened to Kenneth's conf management app ? Though it needs a serious > face-lift, but that is more of front-end work. Please read what I wrote above-- web2conf is a separate app sans interface with the "main conference site". If we used it it would still remain separate, hence requiring two logins. But, If Kenneth's conference app can handle online payments then we stick with it --Since he wrote it, he would know more about it:) > Secondly, services like google checkout and ?paypal wont receive funds in > INR You have a point. > and they will also require us to have a credit card in the name of Why would the society need a credit card? I thought people paying the society would need either a debit or credit card. > ?I would suggest to keep the overheads to minimum, lets stick to collecting > cash or DD at the venue. My mail was in response to suggestions for budget estimates if the process is outsourced to an agency. If we (read society) do it ourselves then what options do we have and if outsouced what are the estimates...etc... -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 21 05:28:36 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:58:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004210858.36707.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 8:45:50 am ?????? wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:08 AM, ?????? wrote: > >> Here is an option: Since web2conf[0], a web2py application is > >> available to other pycon teams that wish to use it for local events, > >> we could consider using it. Its currently used for pycon registration > >> (its not the entire site) and the Brazilian team has an updated > >> version for the current web2py which is yet to be merged into the > >> repo. Its a separate app that serves the registration sub-pages and > >> functions and does not share data tables, nor logins (this means folks > >> will have to register separately for registration) with the "main > >> conference site". Thoughts? > >> > >> [0] http://code.google.com/p/web2conf/source/browse/?repo=pycon2010 > > > > What happened to Kenneth's conf management app ? Though it needs a > > serious face-lift, but that is more of front-end work. > > Please read what I wrote above-- web2conf is a separate app sans > interface with the "main conference site". If we used it it would > still remain separate, hence requiring two logins. But, If Kenneth's > conference app can handle online payments then we stick with it > --Since he wrote it, he would know more about it:) actually it is written by several people but the core developers are theju and me. If you would like to test out working online payment in Indian Rupees using diverse methods, you could try it out here: http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in (of course you would need to register your company/organisation and spend INR 100 to test out the working completely. As for the conference app, all we need to do is add a 'pay online', 'pay later' and 'pay at the venue' buttons and we are done. And anyway the source code of the conference app as well as of the whole online payment module is available in bitbucket, so even those who have not written the app can take a look. > > > Secondly, services like google checkout and paypal wont receive funds in > > INR > > You have a point. > > > and they will also require us to have a credit card in the name of > > Why would the society need a credit card? I thought people paying the > society would need either a debit or credit card. in order to withdraw more than $100 from a paypal account you need to verify the account with a credit card. > > > I would suggest to keep the overheads to minimum, lets stick to > > collecting cash or DD at the venue. ccavenue overheads are pretty reasonable - please check out their site. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 06:03:42 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:33:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <201004210858.36707.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004210858.36707.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > > > > I would suggest to keep the overheads to minimum, lets stick to > > > collecting cash or DD at the venue. > > ccavenue overheads are pretty reasonable - please check out their site. > > My concern with ccavenue is the transaction fees they charge. You have to pay a setup fee and fee per transaction. If you want lower fee per transaction you have to pay a higher setup fee. Do we expect enough volume from online transfers to makeup for the setup fee and pay about 8% as transaction fee per transaction (Assuming we will go with the lowest setup fees). regards Vivek The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The app crashed multiple times (for whatever reason) after it was deployed and there were critical periods (like the day before the conf.) when it was down and Kenneth was travelling. During the scheduling, we had trouble with various things like slots (I'm not sure about the specific issues but Ponnuswamy and Devyan who did that had some trouble). All we need on a site is a few informational pages (static HTML is fine for this). Maybe a blog (we can either use static HTML or some off the shelf blogging thing like wordpress - No, I'm not puritan about Python). The registration/money collecting part we'll outsource to doattend rather than waste time on getting it right. Software projects have a way of expanding to suck up time and we don't have that. A 'poor' website doesn't make a poor conference. If there are people who are willing to spend time on some nice designs, more power to them and we can use those designs but I'm strongly in favour of throwing together a few simple 2 column pages that outline the schedules etc. and getting this out of the way. Not more than a day or two. Stock designs are fine. The success/lack thereof of the conference is decided by the talks and human interactions during the actual two days of the event and not the quality of the software running the website. Let's just get this out of the way and move on with the meat of the project. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 07:52:50 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:22:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [..] > As for outsourcing all this - it makes me uncomfortable. We *are* supposed to > be programmers aren't we? and we *do* know that python kicks ass don't we? do > we really need to outsource to some company that probably uses VB or asp or > whatever? [..] doattend is a Ruby shop and the issue is not an admission of defeat but freedom to focus our limited resources on the parts of the project that make the conference better rather than on frills like the website. For that matter, I don't particularly care if the website runs VB, ASP or whatever. Only that it works as advertised. (bb-python2.6)noufal at NibrahimT61% python -c "import this" | grep practicality Although practicality beats purity. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 07:54:54 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:24:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: <4BCE006B.1070801@ideadevice.com> References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> <20100420184045.GE13770@remy> <4BCE006B.1070801@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: I think someone needs to take a stand on this. I'm willing to do the dirty work and take the blame. I'll summarise the discussions on this thread on the wiki and send out an email. Is that okay with everyone? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kausikram at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 08:03:32 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:33:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> <20100420184045.GE13770@remy> <4BCE006B.1070801@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I think someone needs to take a stand on this. I'm willing to do the > dirty work and take the blame. I'll summarise the discussions on this > thread on the wiki and send out an email. Is that okay with everyone? i am willing to share the blame with you +1 on this. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 08:03:36 2010 From: thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com (Sreenivas Reddy T) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:33:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> <20100420184045.GE13770@remy> <4BCE006B.1070801@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: +1 go ahead!! Thanks & Regards, Sreenivas Reddy Thatiparthy, 9393099772. "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new !!! " --Albert Einstein On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I think someone needs to take a stand on this. I'm willing to do the > dirty work and take the blame. I'll summarise the discussions on this > thread on the wiki and send out an email. Is that okay with everyone? > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ltd. # 33-34, 2nd Floor, Hennur Cross, Hennur Road, Bangalore, India - 560043 Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sree at mahiti.org Wed Apr 21 08:36:50 2010 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:06:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: With this response, I strongly suggest having PyCon 2010 is Chennai. All of us who live in other cities should support them with logistics if they are short of local volunteers. Lets spread the event. It helps in spreading awareness. Not all the python-pros who live in Blr are form Bangalore. They are from all over the country! - sree On 20 April 2010 23:31, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > okay the long awaited response from the Chennai team and my arguments for > it in no particular order, > > 1) The enthusiasm did not die down. we just put it in temporary abeyance, > because we felt that the society matter had to be sorted first. thats the > reason for the long silence. There are lots of people ready to contribute. > last week at barcamp i met atleast 4 people who came to me and asked why > there was silence in the lists, and who were ready to take the grunt of the > fieldwork. Also, the silence in the ChennaiPy group does not directly imply > a dormant group. as Kenneth put it, bangpypers has become a trans-india > group and people prefer posting to / replying to it than their local UG. its > a complicated cycle. more people post to bangpypers because there are more > people on it and more people join bangpypers because there are more posts on > it. > > 2) I am not convinced with the "majority people required in the ground > team" to run around concept. the last pycon had a considerable number of > people working for it across cities. ofcourse i am not trying to belittle > the contribution of the ground team who did the grunt work. what i am trying > to say is that, most activities associated with the conference (like raising > sponsorship, spreading the word etc) can be done by any person with a > working internet connection and a telephone line, sitting out > of Timbuktu for all you know. I am speaking out of experience here, > fortunately i have had the opportunity to be in the core team of Proto.in. > we have not had any problem what so ever to run the show in any given > city(most of the team sits out of chennai). * Ground work is templatized and > WILL fall in place in due time. * > > 3) The real concern to me right now is the total number of volunteers ready > to do the running around across the nation. the poll asks for which city > people prefer, thats good, but it does not answer, what seems to be the most > vital question to me. * can you help us run pycon india? * that to me is > the vital question which needs to be answered. that again i guess will help > us know how many people are ready to do the grunt work / running around at > the ground level. and how many are ready to contribute virtually. > > 4) Also, we need to find a way to filter out people's personal preference. > on a personal note anyone would prefer his/her home town. i would certainly > prefer chennai, personally, but as an organizer i must not look at my > personal convenience, but find out and host the event at a place that would > do good to Python. in that regard i would rather go and promote / create a > buzz around python in a place which has lesser python developers(chennai) > and to which the pthers can commute easily, than in a place which has > more(bangalore). [no i am not suggesting a n00b conference, i hope i am > understood in the right context] > > 5) Chennai's weather is not all that bad in September. in fact spetember to > november is THE time to be in Chennai. > > 6) Travel again should not be a point of concern. people who come in from > the north usually fly in,(i dont see people taking a train, and even if they > do, the train time from delhi to chennai and bangalore are only different by > a few hours). Flight time to bangalore and chennai is roughly the same. Also > you should remember that the Chennai airport is not all that far away from > the city. why all that, i can positively say that on a given weekday it > would take as long for a person flying down from delhi to reach a venue in > south bangalore as it would take a south-banglorean to reach a venue in > Chennai. > > Finally, We at ChennaiPy are enthusiastic and would be happy to host > inPyCon, but at the same time if that were not the case we are not going to > draw a long face and walk away, inPyCon is pan India and we will be happy to > contribute to it where ever it happens. > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. # 33-34, 2nd Floor, Hennur Cross, Hennur Road, Bangalore, India - 560043 Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 08:38:18 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:08:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I'm strongly -1 for the fossconf app. I don't mean to diss Kenneth or > the work he and Theju have done on it but I think it's more trouble > than it's worth. > > It took approximately 40 days last year to get the app into a running > condition. This delayed our publicity efforts since we didn't have a > face on the web. The CSS issue was even worse since the person who > Sree assigned for it was unavailable and it got stretched out too > much. > > The app crashed multiple times (for whatever reason) after it was > deployed and there were critical periods (like the day before the > conf.) when it was down and Kenneth was travelling. During the > scheduling, we had trouble with various things like slots (I'm not > sure about the specific issues but Ponnuswamy and Devyan who did that > had some trouble). > > All we need on a site is a few informational pages (static HTML is > fine for this). Maybe a blog (we can either use static HTML or some > off the shelf blogging thing like wordpress - No, I'm not puritan > about Python). The registration/money collecting part we'll outsource > to doattend rather than waste time on getting it right. Software > projects have a way of expanding to suck up time and we don't have > that. > > A 'poor' website doesn't make a poor conference. If there are people > who are willing to spend time on some nice designs, more power to them > and we can use those designs but I'm strongly in favour of throwing > together a few simple 2 column pages that outline the schedules etc. > and getting this out of the way. Not more than a day or two. Stock > designs are fine. > > The success/lack thereof of the conference is decided by the talks and > human interactions during the actual two days of the event and not the > quality of the software running the website. Let's just get this out > of the way and move on with the meat of the project. > +1. The site software is the last thing that a conference attendee has in mind. It is a required tool, no doubt, but not the focus. It would be good if we can form interest groups in the mailing list on broad topics and then discuss along those lines rather than everyone pitching in their thoughts for everything. I don't mean to discourage discussion, but quite often I feel the noise/signal ratio is rather high. For example, I am least concerned about the conference app - I would like to pitch in my thoughts regarding the conference planning, tracks, CFP etc. Can we have a discussion along these lines ? I would classify the things we need to do along these topics not in any order of importance. 1. Site software (maintenance/updates) 2. Location planning/co-ordination (offsite: this becomes more important, Bangalore: less important) 3. Society matters (accounts, transfer, registration etc) 4. Core conference - Tracks, CFP, planning. 5. Conference support - T-shirts, Swags, Food etc. 6. Others For example, I am interested mainly in 3&4 and would limit my participation to such discussions. > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vid at svaksha.com Wed Apr 21 08:42:27 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:12:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <201004210858.36707.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004210858.36707.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 08:58, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > actually it is written by several people but the core developers are theju and > me. If you would like to test out working online payment in Indian Rupees > using diverse methods, you could try it out here: > > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in (of course you would need to register > your company/organisation and spend INR 100 to test out the working > completely. As for the conference app, all we need to do is add a 'pay > online', 'pay later' and 'pay at the venue' buttons and we are done. And If you plan on adding these buttons, I had some thoughts: 0. "Pay online" is fine. 1. 'pay later', can have a "pay by dd.mm.yyyy" limit which can be added if we know the conference dates. 2. TBH, "pay at the venue" button will dilute the purpose of early bird discount-- the whole point of giving a discount for folks early registration is to ease out the organisers workload in planning payments and managing funds for organising the event. > anyway the source code of the conference app as well as of the whole online > payment module is available in bitbucket, so even those who have not written > the app can take a look. I appreciate the efforts you, theju and others put into it and and if it works for in.pycon we should use it -(no, i am not taking a call on this. I feel this is something the community should decide _after_ the website maintainers setup, test and run the system and maybe later ask some members to test it and give feedback?). My suggestions for web2conf were because I had used it, found bugs and got some feedback from the devels. No way does that imply that Indian apps are not good or somehow inferior. So long as it "just works" and helps get the job done, it gets my vote. Nothing personal. >> Why would the society need a credit card? I thought people paying the >> society would need either a debit or credit card. > > in order to withdraw more than $100 from a paypal account you need to Hmm...google checkout != paypal. Afaik, web2conf works with GC, not paypal. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 08:43:43 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:13:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > With this response, I strongly suggest having PyCon 2010 is Chennai. All of > us who live in other cities should support them with logistics if they are > short of local volunteers. > Lets spread the event. It helps in spreading awareness. Not all the > python-pros who live in Blr are form Bangalore. They are from all over the > country! > - sree > Practicality beats purity. Facts beats romantic notions. My main issue with Chennai is, - Larger team of people in Bangalore (BangPypersis more active than ChennaiPy ). The first point is quite important. How many people in Chennaipy feel in their bones that they can run with the conference and make it a success? What is the level of enthusiasm there - I haven't seen any indication of this apart from the occasional post. It is true that I had supported the call for Chennai earlier, but considering the history and the success we had last year plus the fact that the core organizing group is here, plus the north indian factor would make me swing to Bangalore. I am not sure how effective Noufal's leadership would be if the conference is to be held in Chennai, that is another concern. > > On 20 April 2010 23:31, kausikram krishnasayee wrote > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 09:08:13 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:38:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 12, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: <201004210708.43658.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004210708.43658.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > where did you get these 'facts' from? your mail sounds like the ongoing > debates between the IT ministries of KN, TN and AP! It is not a question of > which city is 'better' or has more professional colleges etc etc. But you are > right in characterising the reasons given as 'oblivious' You top posted? Gosh! Anyway, give Anirudh a break. His points are similar to ones raised by many others and they do have some validity. The /obvious/oblivious/ faux pas was pithy though. :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 09:11:52 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:41:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] wikispaces Message-ID: A small point. If anyone creates pages on the wiki to archive or discuss matters, please put them under the PyConIndia2010 namespace and link to them on http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010. It'd be useful to keep track. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 09:18:01 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:48:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >[..] > It would be good if we can form interest groups in the mailing list > on broad topics and then discuss along those lines rather than > everyone pitching in their thoughts for everything. I don't mean to > discourage discussion, but quite often I feel the noise/signal ratio > is rather high. I concur but at the same time, it's reality that the attention will gradually shift from issue to issue. The main one (till the end of today hopefully) will be the venue. Once that's over, we can move to CFP and sponsorships and then logistics and other matters. The society will mostly be a background thing as far as the conference itself is concerned. Just a holder for the bank account. > For example, I am least concerned about the conference app - > I would like to pitch in my thoughts regarding the conference planning, > tracks, CFP etc. Can we have a discussion along these lines ? I think those will come up soon and if you were not willing, I'd atleast attempt to conscript you to help out with the CFP and stuff anyway. :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 09:17:48 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:47:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: 2010/4/21 Noufal Ibrahim : > I'm strongly -1 for the fossconf app. I don't mean to diss Kenneth or > the work he and Theju have done on it but I think it's more trouble > than it's worth. I completely agree with Noufal. A simple wiki can provide most of our needs. user registration can be outsourced to a payment system like doattend and talk scheduling can be done offline. Anand From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 09:50:31 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:20:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <20100420182754.GB13770@remy> <20100420184816.GF13770@remy> <20100420190103.GG13770@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Senthil Kumaran > wrote: > [..] > > On personal side again, I definitely wont be able to contribute as > > much (or as little) I could last year, so I was thinking more in terms > > of siding towards where there is enthusiasm and of course, I do trust > > the people.[..] > > Oh. I don't think it's a Chennai vs. Bangalore thing community wise. > Regardless of where we're holding it, I'm sure the people would work > towards it. I know I would and Kausik has voiced similar sentiments in > his email. > > Like I mentioned, it's PyCon India and not Pycon Bangalore or Pycon > Chennai. > > The discussion is trying to converge at where we're like to hold it. > What are the pros and cons and stuff like that. Let me add this. I am personally all for Chennai or for that matter any large metro with infrastructure, and can attract sponsors and participants. What concerns me ( I know I have repeated this) 1) The enthusiasm from Chennai guys at least in this forum is not ** visible ** 2) I am also concerned how the sponsors will react. I must admit the possibility of actually another city getting bigger sponsors is slightly lower than Bangalore, unless someone really puts in effort. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I set up a test event. It took 10 minutes to do and I understand that the list of registrants will be available along with the details we ask for exportable as a CSV so it works fine for us. http://noufal-test.doattend.com/ is the URL in case you want to try it out. The payment information is bogus so please don't try to send any money. They also have an offline payment system where people can send them money or finally if people want to register on the spot, the list of people is available so that's doable as well. I'm totally in favour of using their services. They're affordable and provide a really cool service. I vote strongly on a wiki + doattend for the site. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 10:06:26 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:36:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue Finalization {was} PyCon 2010 - Let's get started In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDA811.6070903@ideadevice.com> <201004201903.15825.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BCDAF4E.3080607@ideadevice.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > With this response, I strongly suggest having PyCon 2010 is Chennai. All of > us who live in other cities should support them with logistics if they are > short of local volunteers. > Lets spread the event. It helps in spreading awareness. Not all the > python-pros who live in Blr are form Bangalore. They are from all over the > country! > - sree > +1 from my side. This resolves the matter as far as enthusiasm is concerned. 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They're affordable and > provide a really cool service. > > I vote strongly on a wiki + doattend for the site. > +1 - sree > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. # 33-34, 2nd Floor, Hennur Cross, Hennur Road, Bangalore, India - 560043 Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are from all over the >> country! >> - sree >> > > > +1 from my side. > > This resolves the matter as far as enthusiasm is concerned. > How ? > And yes, I've heard that you guys have done an extremely good job Proto.in > too. So let's do it in Chennai. And announce it asap. > Hmmm, the email was from Srikanth who AFAIK is in Bangalore. Did you check the sender before this suggestion ? I don't think it is such an easy decision. We have to weigh in all opinions and decide. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 21 10:50:12 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:20:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 12, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: <201004210708.43658.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004211420.13158.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 12:38:13 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > where did you get these 'facts' from? your mail sounds like the ongoing > > debates between the IT ministries of KN, TN and AP! It is not a question > > of which city is 'better' or has more professional colleges etc etc. But > > you are right in characterising the reasons given as 'oblivious' > > You top posted? Gosh! > I do not normally reply to replies to digests - but I strongly feel that these are not criteria -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 21 10:52:23 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:22:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004211422.24012.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 9:34:42 am Vivek Khurana wrote: > > succesful in two conferences so far (although it does need some css love > > - which is not mission critical) > > Not only css love, it needs aesthetics, design, javascript love too ;) > yes - but so far it is an unloved orphan in these aspects (oh well, so was cinderella - and see what happened to her) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 10:57:37 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:27:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: +1 -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If we can get a few names finalized and an agreement on this, I will open up a thread in PSF regarding this. > > > To err on the conservative side, unless we have some figures or talk > > to sponsors, how do we go ahead with this for 2010 or should we look > > at this for 2011 when (I assume) the dust would have settled and there > > would be more time to plan/budget. > > --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 12:51:02 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:21:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > ?PSF has a history of funding overseas Python conferences like > ?ours for supporting travel of foreign speakers. If we can get a few > ?names finalized and an agreement on this, I will open up a thread > ?in PSF regarding this.[..] I spoke to two people when I was there and they have expressed their interest in coming. 0. David Goodger - http://python.net/~goodger/professional/cv/resume_David_Goodger.txt 1. Michael Foord - Author of IronPython in action and current maintainer of the unittest module I asked about this earlier here and people expressed interest in getting Raymond Hettinger to come. I'd like that too. I wanted to ask him directly but couldn't meet him before he left. I'm not sure if GvR is interested in travelling. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anand.shashwat at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 13:06:55 2010 From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:36:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: AFAIK GvR do not travel and attend pycon. big +1 for Michael Ford ( @voidspace ) On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > [..] > > PSF has a history of funding overseas Python conferences like > > ours for supporting travel of foreign speakers. If we can get a few > > names finalized and an agreement on this, I will open up a thread > > in PSF regarding this.[..] > > I spoke to two people when I was there and they have expressed their > interest in coming. > 0. David Goodger - > http://python.net/~goodger/professional/cv/resume_David_Goodger.txt > 1. Michael Foord - Author of IronPython in action and current > maintainer of the unittest module > > I asked about this earlier here and people expressed interest in > getting Raymond Hettinger to come. I'd like that too. I wanted to ask > him directly but couldn't meet him before he left. > > I'm not sure if GvR is interested in travelling. > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Foord - Author of IronPython in action and current >> maintainer of the unittest module >> >> I asked about this earlier here and people expressed interest in >> getting Raymond Hettinger to come. I'd like that too. I wanted to ask >> him directly but couldn't meet him before he left. >> >> I'm not sure if GvR is interested in travelling. >> > +1 for Raymond. I am personally a big fan of him, especially the originality of his contributions at Activespace Cookbook most of which are now part of Python stdlib. GvR doesn't travel and give talks AFAIK. +1 for David Goodger also. I will find out about the formal ways of proposing this and submit a proposal for funding travel of 1-2 key persons who are part of pydev and/or PSF. >> >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll collate all the stuff on this thread ontot he wiki tonight and send out an email. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 14:24:39 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:54:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I called and spoke to doattend. Using their services would increase > the price of each ticket (they charge per ticket sale) by around 30 - > 40 INR (for a 200 INR ticket). This is perfectly fine. > > I set up a test event. It took 10 minutes to do and I understand that > the list of registrants will be available along with the details we > ask for exportable as a CSV so it works fine for us. > http://noufal-test.doattend.com/ is the URL in case you want to try it > out. The payment information is bogus so please don't try to send any > money. > > They also have an offline payment system where people can send them > money or finally if people want to register on the spot, the list of > people is available so that's doable as well. > > I'm totally in favour of using their services. They're affordable and > provide a really cool service. > > I vote strongly on a wiki + doattend for the site. > > This is going to be fun... A ruby powered app used to manage a python conference, where we will have talks (most probably) on various python frameworks... For all the problems listed against fossconf app are *fixable*. These are fairly standard problems with the development of any new project. If last time's efforts spoiled publicity, we have time in hand right now, we can start fixing problems from now. As for app crashing, we can have more than one admin to take care of the app. I think using a ruby powered app, for a python conference is like slapping python on face. Will Drupalcon guys ever use anything other than drupal to build drupalcon site and sell tickets ? Will Ruby guys use a non-ruby app to host rubyconf? If we dont have any agreeable pythonic app, just put moin-moin wiki and create a page where attendees can add the names. I don't know about others, but I for sure will not be buying a ticket for a python conference which uses a non-pythonic app for registration process. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The payment information is bogus so please don't try to send any >> money. >> >> They also have an offline payment system where people can send them >> money or finally if people want to register on the spot, the list of >> people is available so that's doable as well. >> >> I'm totally in favour of using their services. They're affordable and >> provide a really cool service. >> >> I vote strongly on a wiki + doattend for the site. >> >> > This is going to be fun... A ruby powered app used to manage a python > conference, where we will have talks (most probably) on various python > frameworks... > > For all the problems listed against fossconf app are *fixable*. These are > fairly standard problems with the development of any new project. If last > time's efforts spoiled publicity, we have time in hand right now, we can > start fixing problems from now. As for app crashing, we can have more than > one admin to take care of the app. > > I think using a ruby powered app, for a python conference is like slapping > python on face. Will Drupalcon guys ever use anything other than drupal to > build drupalcon site and sell tickets ? Will Ruby guys use a non-ruby app to > host rubyconf? > If we dont have any agreeable pythonic app, just put moin-moin wiki and > create a page where attendees can add the names. > > I don't know about others, but I for sure will not be buying a ticket for > a python conference which uses a non-pythonic app for registration process. > +1. Looks like we are suffering from short-term memory loss here. Not long back there was a high spirited discussion here when SciPy.in decided to host part of their website in Drupal and religious discussions followed on the choice of PHP than Python, which I also took part. What do we plan to tell the SciPy folks when they are going to ask the same question to us ? I don't think we should write off Kenneth's fossconf in a hurry and switch to some paid service. Sure we had problems with it, and the interface is not "cool", but hey, it did work. I offer my services free to fix bugs in the back-end this time, but we need a strong web designer for the front-end to fix the "look n feel". I for one feel strongly for Python back-end for a Python conference. > regards > Vivek > > -- > The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a paid service that might be used, or not, depending on it's own merits not on the language it happened to be implemented in. I'm not saying anything for or against fossconf, the app used last time, just pointing out that your argument isn't very strong. Doattend could be used *with* fossconf, or with a blog, or with some other python app. It just handles payments. I know the doattend people, but don't work with them ... blah blah disclaimer... Roshan Mathews From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 15:11:08 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:41:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 17:54, Vivek Khurana > wrote: > > I think using a ruby powered app, for a python conference is like > slapping > > python on face. Will Drupalcon guys ever use anything other than drupal > to > > build drupalcon site and sell tickets ? Will Ruby guys use a non-ruby app > to > > host rubyconf? > > Saying you won't use doattend, because it's written in ruby is no > different from saying you won't use PayPal since they use C++, or > Google Checkout because it's in Java, or CCAvenues for using, I don't > know, PHP say. Doattend will just handle payments. It's a paid > service that might be used, or not, depending on it's own merits not > on the language it happened to be implemented in. > You will connect with ccavenue or paypal to run the website, you only use the api for payment transaction. So your argument is mis-placed. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmathews at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 15:25:02 2010 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:55:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 18:41, Vivek Khurana wrote: > ?You will connect with ccavenue or paypal to run the website, you only use > the api for payment transaction. So your argument is mis-placed. > Here your conference management software will pass on the entire payment workflow to the other side. Is your argument, as a Python programmer, is that using DoAttend is not low level enough an API? :) Roshan Mathews From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 16:03:31 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:33:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 18:41, Vivek Khurana > wrote: > > You will connect with ccavenue or paypal to run the website, you only > use > > the api for payment transaction. So your argument is mis-placed. > > > Here your conference management software will pass on the entire > payment workflow to the other side. Is your argument, as a Python > programmer, is that using DoAttend is not low level enough an API? :) > Our conference management system will do the following too 1) Store registered user information. 2) Provide reports on user registration. 3) Provide tickets/id cards to attendees. OTOH doattend will not process only payments. It will do all of the above too. If doattend is willing to process *only* payments, then it is okay. >From doattend site, it appears they are not just payment processing system but they are providing a complete, hosted event management system. Secondly, after having a second look at doattend website, I have concerns with the privacy of the attendees. Do attend will have access to complete information about all attendees and we do not know what they will do with this data. Nowhere in the Terms and Conditions of doattend I can find a promise that doattend will not sell the email and other personal information to third parties. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 16:10:52 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:40:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Vivek Khurana wrote: > Secondly, after having a second look at doattend website, I have concerns > with the privacy of the attendees. Do attend will have access to complete > information about all attendees and we do not know what they will do with > this data. Nowhere in the Terms and Conditions of doattend I can find a > promise that doattend will not sell the email and other personal information > to third parties. > > > Okay I take that one back. i found something in the privacy conditions that claims that doattend will not share the personal information but at teh same time another clause reads that doattend can share the personal information to "enforce or apply our conditions of use and other agreements". What will be those other agreements ? regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 16:14:54 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:44:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Vivek Khurana wrote: [..] > This is going to be fun... A ruby powered app used to manage a python > conference, where we will have talks?(most probably)?on various python > frameworks... Perhaps use CherryPy instead of Apache or Lighttpd? Or maybe rewrite mySQL or whatever db they're using in Python perhaps? Doattend has a fully working application which we can pay a little for and make our conference better. If there was a Python based application from a company that we could outsource it to, I'd prefer them but there isn't. > ?For all the problems listed against fossconf app are *fixable*. These are > fairly standard problems with the development of any new project. If last > time's efforts spoiled publicity, we have time in hand right now, we can > start fixing problems from now. As for app crashing, we can have more than > one admin to take care of the app. Whatever gave you the idea that we have time on our hands? We have almost no funds, haven't decided on the venue, haven't talked to a single sponsor, don't have a venue booked and have done *nothing*. The conference is to take place in a few months and you want to spend time developing an app?? I find the idea ludicrous to say the least. If it eases your conscience, I'd like to point out that we're not asking them to host the entire site. We will have a wiki as our main site using Moin or Infogami or any other Python based wiki software that people like and outsource the registration to doattend. If you can conscript enough developers to produce something similar to what doattend can do and keep it running with proper commercial level support throughout the duration of the conference, I'd welcome it. I don't think that's practical and don't want to waste time on that aspect of things. > ?I think using a ruby powered app, for a python conference is like slapping > python on face. Will Drupalcon guys ?ever use anything other than drupal to > build drupalcon site and sell tickets ? Will Ruby guys use a non-ruby app to > host rubyconf? Rubyconf used static HTML and outsourced the registration to doattend. > ?If we dont have any agreeable pythonic app, just put moin-moin wiki and > create a page where attendees can add the names. That's what we're doing. The registration process is what's being outsourced. Not the entire site. > ?I don't know about others, but I for sure will not be buying a ticket for a > python conference which uses a non-pythonic app for registration process. If you're serious, I'd like quote the hg migration pep "We are pragmatic enough to not choose a tool simply because it is written in Python, but we do see the usefulness in promoting tools that do use it when it is reasonable to do so as it is in this case." There are no available options to doattend and I don't see a reason not to use them except a sort of blind puritanism that I think is counterproductive. Like I've mentioned before, the site is tiny *tiny* part of the whole event and registration part is even smaller. To bicker over this and to spend valuable time coding doesn't seem wise to me. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 16:17:16 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:47:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > I don't think we should write off Kenneth's fossconf in a hurry and > switch to some paid service. Sure we had problems with it, and the > interface is not "cool", but hey, it did work. I offer my services free > to fix bugs in the back-end this time, but we need a strong web > designer for the front-end to fix the "look n feel". It was more trouble that it was worth in my opinion and I think our time should be spent on more core issues rather than spending time fixing bugs on an app that powers the site. If everyone was so puritanical about the issue, work should have started earlier. > I for one feel strongly for Python back-end for a Python conference. I'd prefer it too but there are no options. I don't see any killer reasons to use Fossconf over doattend's services. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 16:19:25 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:49:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Vivek Khurana wrote: [..] > OTOH doattend will not process only payments. It will do all of the above > too. If doattend is willing to process *only* payments, then it is okay. You can customise it to handle just payments. We can download the list of people registered and use a Python app to generate tickets if you want. > From doattend site, it appears they are not just payment processing system > but they are providing a complete, hosted event management system. > ?Secondly, after having a second look at doattend website, I have concerns > with the privacy of the attendees. Do attend will have access to complete > information about all attendees and we do not know what they will do with > this data. Nowhere in the Terms and Conditions of doattend I can find a > promise that doattend will not sell the email and other personal information > to third parties. This is a valid point and one we can clarify with them. since we're paying them for the service, I believe we'll have a right to specify terms. The whole "Python purity" argument however strikes me as misplaced. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 16:20:51 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:50:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Vivek Khurana wrote: [..] > ?Okay I take that one back. i found something in the privacy conditions that > claims that doattend will not share the personal information but at teh same > time another clause reads that doattend can share the personal information > to "enforce or apply our conditions of use and other agreements". What will > be those other agreements ?[..] If you're overwhelmingly concerned about them leaking personal information, it would be best to ask them a straight question. I can do that for you but this kind of fear mongering on the list is counterproductive. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 21 16:21:55 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:51:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: <201004211951.56129.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 11:19:59 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I'm strongly -1 for the fossconf app. I don't mean to diss Kenneth or > the work he and Theju have done on it but I think it's more trouble > than it's worth. btw, it was further refined for mukt.in (wasn't used fully as the conference got postponed). But all the hardcoded stuff was removed and the guy using it managed to put in his css in a couple of days. > > It took approximately 40 days last year to get the app into a running > condition. it took 40 days for the app to be approved - it was in running condition from day 1. Yes there were bugs - bugs are everywhere in os apps - look at melange or Dougn's app for pycon. > This delayed our publicity efforts since we didn't have a > face on the web. The CSS issue was even worse since the person who > Sree assigned for it was unavailable and it got stretched out too > much. it was clearly pointed out that the app was meant for organising the conference and was not a front end - I had repeatedly requested for a static page frontend like we had in fossconf Chennai. When no one came to host it, the static pages and blog were added to it. Sree had undertaken to do the css and vanished without a trace - so I had to bolt something together. Anyway the css issue is in the past - all that has been decoupled and if anyone comes forward to contribute css, it is trivial to change the look and feel. > > The app crashed multiple times (for whatever reason) after it was > deployed and there were critical periods (like the day before the > conf.) when it was down and Kenneth was travelling. yes it did crash - my tiny vps is used to 10-15 hits a day and apache just froze with hundreds of hits a minute. At present I have a big fat hetzner server at my disposal - I had also repeatedly requested someone to provide a mirror - but no one came forward. > During the > scheduling, we had trouble with various things like slots (I'm not > sure about the specific issues but Ponnuswamy and Devyan who did that > had some trouble). they did. Mainly because they worked on it at the last minute. But there was no major hassle. Ponnuswamy is also a co-author of the software and so I assumed he knew his way around the scheduling module since he had written it and used it previously. > > All we need on a site is a few informational pages (static HTML is > fine for this). Maybe a blog (we can either use static HTML or some > off the shelf blogging thing like wordpress - No, I'm not puritan > about Python). fossconf has this - only thing we called the blog 'posts'. fairly easy to rename it as blog. I am a puritan about python and many other things. I feel that a python conference should use python. > The registration/money collecting part we'll outsource > to doattend rather than waste time on getting it right. why? if the conference has money to burn, why not donate it to developing python software - we could hire a css/html guy and give him a percentage which would be far less than what doattend will get. > Software > projects have a way of expanding to suck up time and we don't have > that. I am a strong believer in automating things - I had this miserable experience of coordinating society formation through a wiki, and the pages are still a mess. If anyone thinks he can organise a major event through a wiki, he is welcome to try - I personally would not wish that task on my worst enemy. > > A 'poor' website doesn't make a poor conference. If there are people > who are willing to spend time on some nice designs, more power to them > and we can use those designs but I'm strongly in favour of throwing > together a few simple 2 column pages that outline the schedules etc. > and getting this out of the way. Not more than a day or two. Stock > designs are fine. stock designs work fine with fossconf also > > The success/lack thereof of the conference is decided by the talks and > human interactions during the actual two days of the event and not the > quality of the software running the website. Let's just get this out > of the way and move on with the meat of the project. > yes -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 21 16:23:13 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:53:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004211953.13873.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 7:47:16 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I don't think we should write off Kenneth's fossconf in a hurry and > > switch to some paid service. Sure we had problems with it, and the > > interface is not "cool", but hey, it did work. I offer my services free > > to fix bugs in the back-end this time, but we need a strong web > > designer for the front-end to fix the "look n feel". > > It was more trouble that it was worth in my opinion and I think our > time should be spent on more core issues rather than spending time > fixing bugs on an app that powers the site. If everyone was so > puritanical about the issue, work should have started earlier. what bugs? > > > I for one feel strongly for Python back-end for a Python conference. > > I'd prefer it too but there are no options. I don't see any killer > reasons to use Fossconf over doattend's services. > far cheaper - we own the data and it is in python -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 21 16:44:28 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:14:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004212014.28643.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 1:31:14 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I called and spoke to doattend. Using their services would increase > the price of each ticket (they charge per ticket sale) by around 30 - > 40 INR (for a 200 INR ticket). This is perfectly fine. > what is so fine about 20% commission? and if the ticket is 2000 will they charge 300-400? Fossconf software can do this for as little as 4% (for netbanking) and 7% (for credit card, which no one will use) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 17:39:47 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:09:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <201004211951.56129.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004211951.56129.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: All the issues you've pointed out will not be there if we outsource. I don't get this whole purity thing. The last conference was majorly sponsored by a ruby shop and we distributed ruby apps with the swag kits. Did that detract from the conference? If the registration is done by an external company that uses Ruby, will that prevent us all from having a good conference? I say no. On 4/21/10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 11:19:59 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> I'm strongly -1 for the fossconf app. I don't mean to diss Kenneth or >> the work he and Theju have done on it but I think it's more trouble >> than it's worth. > > btw, it was further refined for mukt.in (wasn't used fully as the conference > got postponed). But all the hardcoded stuff was removed and the guy using it > managed to put in his css in a couple of days. > >> >> It took approximately 40 days last year to get the app into a running >> condition. > > it took 40 days for the app to be approved - it was in running condition > from > day 1. Yes there were bugs - bugs are everywhere in os apps - look at > melange > or Dougn's app for pycon. > >> This delayed our publicity efforts since we didn't have a >> face on the web. The CSS issue was even worse since the person who >> Sree assigned for it was unavailable and it got stretched out too >> much. > > it was clearly pointed out that the app was meant for organising the > conference and was not a front end - I had repeatedly requested for a static > page frontend like we had in fossconf Chennai. When no one came to host it, > the static pages and blog were added to it. Sree had undertaken to do the > css > and vanished without a trace - so I had to bolt something together. Anyway > the > css issue is in the past - all that has been decoupled and if anyone comes > forward to contribute css, it is trivial to change the look and feel. >> >> The app crashed multiple times (for whatever reason) after it was >> deployed and there were critical periods (like the day before the >> conf.) when it was down and Kenneth was travelling. > > yes it did crash - my tiny vps is used to 10-15 hits a day and apache just > froze with hundreds of hits a minute. At present I have a big fat hetzner > server at my disposal - I had also repeatedly requested someone to provide a > mirror - but no one came forward. > >> During the >> scheduling, we had trouble with various things like slots (I'm not >> sure about the specific issues but Ponnuswamy and Devyan who did that >> had some trouble). > > they did. Mainly because they worked on it at the last minute. But there was > no major hassle. Ponnuswamy is also a co-author of the software and so I > assumed he knew his way around the scheduling module since he had written it > and used it previously. >> >> All we need on a site is a few informational pages (static HTML is >> fine for this). Maybe a blog (we can either use static HTML or some >> off the shelf blogging thing like wordpress - No, I'm not puritan >> about Python). > > fossconf has this - only thing we called the blog 'posts'. fairly easy to > rename it as blog. I am a puritan about python and many other things. I feel > that a python conference should use python. > >> The registration/money collecting part we'll outsource >> to doattend rather than waste time on getting it right. > > why? if the conference has money to burn, why not donate it to developing > python software - we could hire a css/html guy and give him a percentage > which > would be far less than what doattend will get. > >> Software >> projects have a way of expanding to suck up time and we don't have >> that. > > I am a strong believer in automating things - I had this miserable > experience > of coordinating society formation through a wiki, and the pages are still a > mess. If anyone thinks he can organise a major event through a wiki, he is > welcome to try - I personally would not wish that task on my worst enemy. >> >> A 'poor' website doesn't make a poor conference. If there are people >> who are willing to spend time on some nice designs, more power to them >> and we can use those designs but I'm strongly in favour of throwing >> together a few simple 2 column pages that outline the schedules etc. >> and getting this out of the way. Not more than a day or two. Stock >> designs are fine. > > stock designs work fine with fossconf also >> >> The success/lack thereof of the conference is decided by the talks and >> human interactions during the actual two days of the event and not the >> quality of the software running the website. Let's just get this out >> of the way and move on with the meat of the project. >> > > yes > > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 17:40:31 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:10:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <201004212014.28643.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004212014.28643.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: charge 300-400? Fossconf software can do this for as little as 4% (for > netbanking) and 7% (for credit card, which no one will use) > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > With all due respective to everyone, let's stick to Python based software if we have one. If it need to have it improved we will do so. Anand has already pitched in his services, I will also chip in. Perhaps we cannot improve it to the sleekness of a commercial product, but we can make it work and look presentable. I have almost a dozen servers with my company, all dedicated in India, germany and users and all run Django svn-dev-latest. I can provide you space, with Postgres SQL and necessary bandwidth. Please advise -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 17:44:09 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:14:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004212014.28643.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Every minute spent working on the app is a minute wasted given that a solution exists already. On 4/21/10, Ramdas S wrote: > charge 300-400? Fossconf software can do this for as little as 4% (for >> netbanking) and 7% (for credit card, which no one will use) >> -- >> regards >> Kenneth Gonsalves >> Senior Associate >> NRC-FOSS >> http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > With all due respective to everyone, let's stick to Python based software if > we have one. If it need to have it improved we will do so. > > Anand has already pitched in his services, I will also chip in. > > Perhaps we cannot improve it to the sleekness of a commercial product, but > we can make it work and look presentable. I have almost a dozen servers with > my company, all dedicated in India, germany and users and all run Django > svn-dev-latest. I can provide you space, with Postgres SQL and necessary > bandwidth. > > Please advise > > > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 17:47:54 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:17:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004212014.28643.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <20100421154754.GA7428@remy> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 09:10:31PM +0530, Ramdas S wrote: > With all due respective to everyone, let's stick to Python based software if we > have one. If it need to have it improved we will do so. +1 It does not have to be dashing, but it just have to be usable. -- Senthil From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 18:35:35 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:05:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004212014.28643.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> Every minute spent working on the app is a minute wasted given that a >> solution exists already. > > By that argument, why Linux, Why Open Office, and above all why Python? You're muddying the waters here. The differences between free and non-free software are unlike the differences between two languages. I don't want to get into philosophical arguments ala RMS about the former category so I'll let that pass. > If you need a solution to create something new, that already exists, why do you > still do it your way. Usually because there's nothing that exists that is sufficient for your purposes. That's not the case right now. > There are just a bunch of open source projects, that's > better or as good as their alternative commercial software solution. Yet > many of us use FOSS, advocates and promotes it. Like I said earlier, this is not about FOSS/Non-FOSS. This is not even about language selection. The bulk of our site is going to be a Python based wiki. This is about whether we should spend precious time on hacking software or whether we should spend it getting more important aspects of the conference ready. It'd be a pity if talented people like yourself and Anand spent time working on the app when they could be spending it trying to do things like reeling in sponsors, publicising the event and making a real impact on the technology scene in India. > I guess it's the same spirit which reasons me to stick with kenneth's > solution. But we'll improve it and make it better I can't speak for you. You and the others here have their reasons and they're probably well thought of. Let me summarise my position here so that I'm clear. - The aim of this list and this project is to conduct a conference (and not to work on polishing an app). - There is value in using Python apps for what ever we can (we *are* a python conference). - However, if using those apps dilutes our energies, it's not worth it. We are volunteer driven and volunteers are in short supply. I feel this is the case with FOSSConf since I'm *sure* that it has more work to be done. Payment gateway integration, more bug fixes, archival of data etc. - By outsourcing this part of the process to an external company, we increase the ticket prices by a small amount but get that headache completely removed. It would be even better if the company used Python but they don't. We shouldn't let this stop us from using their services if it's worth it. (Practicality beats purity). - You and the others who are volunteering for maintaining the app will be busy with your regular lives during the coming months and there will be delays. These always happen in a volunteer effort but if we can avoid this, theres 0. Less work for you guys. 1. More time and energy to spend on more important issues. - By using this service for the organisation, we are not detracting *anything* from the actual conf. We will still have the Python community of India in one place to discuss their favourite language. We will still have good talks on the subject. We will still hopefully have international speakers. We compromised last time too and it didn't hurt the conference in the least (one of the main sponsors was a Ruby shop who asked us to distribute 3 Ruby applications on a CD to every delegate and we did it). Now, the down sides. Let me address them. 0. We are a Python conference! We should use Python software! We use a lot of stuff that's non-python. Apart from the framework that runs the app, everything is non-python. Using Python only is fine if we can afford the time but I don't think we can. Like I mentioned in my earlier mail to Vivek, we are at square zero and the if the first thing that comes to our core teams mind is to polish an app to use on the site, we're in bad shape. 1. doattend is an external entitiy and they have control of our precious data. This is mostly a strawman argument as far as I can see. All our names and addresses were "sold" to the sponsors last time. They allow exporting the data into CSV and we can clarify with them if we have any specific concerns, we can speak to them. They're a company and we're a customer. We pay them and they give us services we need. 2. It's expensive. 50 or 60 Rs. extra per ticket is not much. Anything else? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 18:51:54 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:21:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83341@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> References: <201004210840.29736.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8333E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83341@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote: [..] > +1 too.Come on Noufal,you fought with that SciPy.in guy saying it's not "politically correct" to > use PHP app for Python conference.I second that here !![..] I'm not advocating using MediaWiki instead of Infogami (that's what they did). I'm advocating we outsource a time consuming part of the process to an external company for a small cost which we can easily bear. This gives us extra time to focus our limited energies on more important issues and not worry about that part any more. Whether they use Python, PHP, ASP or Ruby is not particularly relevant to the conference. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 19:19:03 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:49:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004212014.28643.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > >> With all due respective to everyone, let's stick to Python based software > if we have one. If it need to have it improved we will do so. > > Anand has already pitched in his services, I will also chip in. > I can chip in too if need (from next week). I had offered the services from my company last year too but fossconf team took over. > Perhaps we cannot improve it to the sleekness of a commercial product, but > we can make it work and look presentable. I have almost a dozen servers with > my company, all dedicated in India, germany and users and all run Django > svn-dev-latest. I can provide you space, with Postgres SQL and necessary > bandwidth. > Present-ability is not a problem we can fix this. What we need is to form a team of interested individuals and start working. Also, if hosting is a problem, I can offer an alternative hosting. If nothing works, get a webfaction account for $10 per month and host the application there. Webfaction supports postgres and django. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We'll probably have some emails tomorrow morning. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 19:33:33 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:03:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004212014.28643.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > > I can chip in too if need (from next week). I had offered the services > from > > my company last year too but fossconf team took over. > > I recollect you dissing the project since it was written in Django. > Something about not touching it with a ten foot pole or something. > > I expect many of the others are asleep now. We'll probably have some > emails tomorrow morning. > > Yup, I said that and I was offering a CherryPy based solution. I personally dont like django. But using django is way better than a non-pythonic solution and that is why I will be using a 11 foot long pole this time :) regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 19:42:54 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:12:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: [..] > The survey has crossed a hundred responses. The basic account on > surveymonkey allows you to see only 100. > I'll collate all the stuff on this thread ontot he wiki tonight and > send out an email.[..] Okay. There's no way to do this without pissing off some people so here goes. I've updated the wiki page with details on the two suggestions from this thread - http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion. I've removed some things like "Traffic is bad" etc. There are no real cons against either city. However, there are pros in favour of Bangalore. I feel that on the overall, holding the second conference in Bangalore would be better than shifting it to Chennai. We are in our infancy here and building our foundation strong based on last years experiences would in my opinion be better for the conference in the future. I'm sure there are valid reasons for it to be in other cities but we need to decide on a place and bikeshedding about this will never end unless someone puts his foot down. This is my take on the matter and I'd like your support to declare it as final so that we can move ahead. While we'll have differences on the issues, lets remember that this it PyCon *India* and not specific to a single city and pitch in together to make it even better than the last one. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 19:46:36 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:16:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > There are no real cons against either city. However, there are pros in > favour of Bangalore. > > I feel that on the overall, holding the second conference in Bangalore > would be better than shifting it to Chennai. We are in our infancy > here and building our foundation strong based on last years > experiences would in my opinion be better for the conference in the > future. > > After going through other threads, I will agree with Noufal here. Lets finalize on Bangalore, I think except from a far off airport, there are no real cons against Blore. +1 BLR regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kausikram at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 20:04:27 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:34:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [...] > I've updated the wiki page with details on the two suggestions from > this thread - http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion. > I've removed some things like "Traffic is bad" etc. > There are no real cons against either city. However, there are pros in > favour of Bangalore. > [...] Chennai cedes and hopes to alteast host pyCon India 2011. We would be more than happy to cooperate with all the ground team members from bangalore in running a bigger and better PyCon this year. We will chip in where ever it is possible. We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. Lets not do any more analysis on the Pros and Cons. lets move forward. whats the next thing that has to be done. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We will chip > in where ever it is possible. > We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. > > Lets not do any more analysis on the Pros and Cons. lets move forward. > whats the next thing that has to be done. > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" -- "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too !" ----- "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 03:08:11 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:38:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: <201004210858.36707.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004220638.11539.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 9:33:42 am Vivek Khurana wrote: > My concern with ccavenue is the transaction fees they charge. You have to > pay a setup fee and fee per transaction. If you want lower fee per > transaction you have to pay a higher setup fee. Do we expect enough volume > from online transfers to makeup for the setup fee and pay about 8% as > transaction fee per transaction (Assuming we will go with the lowest setup > fees). > at the lowest block - advance of 7500, the rates are 7% for credit card and 4% for netbanking. Since 99% of people will opt for netbanking this works out to 8 rupees for a 200 rupee ticket and 80 rupees for a 2000 rupee ticket. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 03:33:24 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:03:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004220703.24702.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 10:05:35 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > This is about whether we should spend precious time on hacking > software or whether we should spend it getting more important aspects > of the conference ready. It'd be a pity if talented people like > yourself and Anand spent time working on the app > I have asked this before and have to ask it again - where are the bugs in fossconf? what is there to hack on? all these things have been ironed out - please check out the issue list at bitbucket. All that is needed is to customise the css and we are ready to go. And of course hosting - we have three offers, so we can have three mirrors. And btw, it is not *my* app - no one needs my permission to work on it and get the css ready. As far as I know there are three ready to use branches, mine, theju's and the one on pinax. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 03:41:36 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:11:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates In-Reply-To: <20100422002037.68222fc8@ibis> References: <20100422002037.68222fc8@ibis> Message-ID: <201004220711.36936.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 12:20:37 am Gora Mohanty wrote: > I have no particular horse in this fight, nor much involvement in > Pycon India per se, but I am constantly amazed at the insistence of > people in reinventing even decently-made wheels: > if man had not been reinventing the wheel for the last 5K years or so, we would all be using the same type of wheel. As it is there are lakhs of types of wheels in the universe - and the insistence of people in reinventing wheels is what distinguishes people from monkeys. I am sure you are also amazed at people who keep reinventing programming languages when there is already a decently made programming language (it is called basic - or fortran?). As for those morons who keep reinventing the operating system inspite of the fact that there is a decently-made one on the market - I fully agree with you that they should be rounded up and shot. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 22 05:32:44 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:02:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 23:34, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > [...] >> >> I've updated the wiki page with details on the two suggestions from >> this thread - http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion. Great, Nice to see that we are moving ahead :) > Chennai cedes and hopes to alteast host pyCon India 2011. > We would be more than happy to cooperate with all the ground team members > from bangalore in running a bigger and better PyCon this year. We will chip > in where ever it is possible. > We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. > Lets not do any more analysis on the Pros and Cons. lets move forward. whats > the next thing that has to be done. Thanks for taking it on a positive note, +1 for PyconChennai2011 :) -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 06:38:23 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:08:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:02 AM, ?????? wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 23:34, kausikram krishnasayee > wrote: > > [...] > >> > >> I've updated the wiki page with details on the two suggestions from > >> this thread - > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion. > > Great, Nice to see that we are moving ahead :) > > > > Chennai cedes and hopes to alteast host pyCon India 2011. > > We would be more than happy to cooperate with all the ground team members > > from bangalore in running a bigger and better PyCon this year. We will > chip > > in where ever it is possible. > > We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. > > Lets not do any more analysis on the Pros and Cons. lets move forward. > whats > > the next thing that has to be done. > > Thanks for taking it on a positive note, +1 for PyconChennai2011 :) > Nice to see that we have finally moved 1 step forward from the starting point. Thanks Noufal for the initiative in setting up the poll and drawing this to a close. So it is PyConBLR 2010 and PyConChennai2011. Sounds good... +1 > > -- > thanks and regards, > vid || http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 07:26:51 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:56:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup Message-ID: Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing so the timelines are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From sree at mahiti.org Thu Apr 22 07:41:00 2010 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:11:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, On 22 April 2010 10:56, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the > site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely > working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the > details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up > by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will > take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing so the timelines > are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. > I think we should provision some more time. I suggest 1st of May. - sree > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. # 33-34, 2nd Floor, Hennur Cross, Hennur Road, Bangalore, India - 560043 Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 07:40:24 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:10:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 10:56:51 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the > site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely > working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the > details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up > by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will > take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing so the timelines > are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. > if this is going to be the tone of discussions and decisions, I would rather go play golf -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:01:39 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:31:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the > site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely > working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the > details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up > by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will > take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing so the timelines > are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. > Excuse me, Sounds more like a punishment than accomodation. What is the hurry to get this up by Saturday btw ? > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:09:59 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:39:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No. This would be the amount of time needed to get the other setup working. The last time, we provisioned a week or something and it took over a month. I don't want to repeat the business. Foss conf is supposedly bug free and ready to be deployed. A day or two to add payment gateway support and another day to deploy. If it takes longer, that's going to be the general story and it's going to cripple the effort. I apologise if I'm brash here but I feel very strongly about this and unless the Foss conf advocates deliver, it's not going to work. I thing puritanism will hurt the project and puritanism without delivery definitely so. On 4/22/10, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > Dear all, > > On 22 April 2010 10:56, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the >> site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely >> working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the >> details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up >> by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will >> take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing so the timelines >> are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. >> > > I think we should provision some more time. I suggest 1st of May. > - sree > > > >> >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Sreekanth S Rameshaiah > Executive Director > Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. > # 33-34, 2nd Floor, > Hennur Cross, Hennur Road, > Bangalore, India - 560043 > Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1 > Mobile: +91 98455 12611 > www.mahiti.org > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 22 08:11:32 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:41:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:56, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the > site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely > working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the > details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up > by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will > take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing ?so the timelines > are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. In the recent past i've offered to help Kenneth to test the site and would have again except for the above tone. I think i'll pass. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:17:39 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:47:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To get this out of the way and move on. More important things need to be done. This is how much time the other thing would take and if everyone is so confident of their abilities and of the software, what's the problem? On 4/22/10, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the >> site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely >> working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the >> details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up >> by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will >> take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing so the timelines >> are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. >> > > Excuse me, Sounds more like a punishment than accomodation. > What is the hurry to get this up by Saturday btw ? > > >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:18:22 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:48:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > No. This would be the amount of time needed to get the other setup > working. The last time, we provisioned a week or something and it took > over a month. I don't want to repeat the business. Foss conf is > supposedly bug free and ready to be deployed. A day or two to add > payment gateway support and another day to deploy. If it takes longer, > that's going to be the general story and it's going to cripple the > effort. I apologise if I'm brash here but I feel very strongly about > this and unless the Foss conf advocates deliver, it's not going to > work. I thing puritanism will hurt the project and puritanism without > delivery definitely so. > > If this is going to be your tone from here on, I too give up. Please feel free to carry on with your conference the way you want it. This is a discussion forum not a forum where people dictate others with emails that take the tone of threats. This is not going to help. Where is the supposed "puritanism" ? I recall you also had reacted strongly when the SciPy thing came up last year. I dont understand the sudden urgency needed to get it up and running in 3 days. Everyone has agreed to chip in but doesn't mean that they are going to hunch in front of their desktops for the next 3 days just because you are issuing strong worded emails. Surely by May 1st this can be done. --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orsenthil at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:19:39 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:49:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:10:24AM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 10:56:51 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the > > site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely > > working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the > > details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up > > by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will > > take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing so the timelines > > are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. > > > > if this is going to be the tone of discussions and decisions, I would rather > go play golf > -- Aggression is good, but that definitely looks odd. It does not directly affect me, but for the people who are willing to work, this sounds rather forceful. Giving time and space and gentle nudging seems to be the way. And of course, people are interested and that's why they have ** volunteered **. -- Senthil O, what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. -- Sir Walter Scott, "Marmion" From devyan.parmar at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:20:44 2010 From: devyan.parmar at gmail.com (devyan parmar) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:50:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 12, Issue 59 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 for PyConBLR 2010 and PyConChennai2011. good to hear this...and hope other indian state also put interest in PyCon India in there states ...which helps to spread python awareness. Thanks Regards Devyan Parmar On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:08 AM, wrote: > Send Inpycon mailing list submissions to > inpycon at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > inpycon-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > inpycon-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Inpycon digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) (kunal ghosh) > 2. Re: Registration system [was] Budget estimates (Kenneth Gonsalves) > 3. Re: Registration system [was] Budget estimates (Kenneth Gonsalves) > 4. Re: Registration system [was] Budget estimates (Kenneth Gonsalves) > 5. Re: Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) (??????) > 6. Re: Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) > (Anand Balachandran Pillai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:12:26 +0530 > From: kunal ghosh > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > +1 > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, kausikram krishnasayee < > kausikram at gmail.com> wrote: > > > [...] > > > >> I've updated the wiki page with details on the two suggestions from > >> this thread - > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion. > >> I've removed some things like "Traffic is bad" etc. > >> There are no real cons against either city. However, there are pros in > >> favour of Bangalore. > >> > > [...] > > > > Chennai cedes and hopes to alteast host pyCon India 2011. > > We would be more than happy to cooperate with all the ground team members > > from bangalore in running a bigger and better PyCon this year. We will > chip > > in where ever it is possible. > > We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. > > > > Lets not do any more analysis on the Pros and Cons. lets move forward. > > whats the next thing that has to be done. > > > > -- > > Kausikram Krishnasayee > > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | > Blog: > > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Inpycon mailing list > > Inpycon at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > > > -- > regards > ------- > Kunal Ghosh > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > Sir MVIT > Bangalore,India > > Quote: > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > -- > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > too !" > ----- > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20100422/0fdf92a1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 06:38:11 +0530 > From: Kenneth Gonsalves > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates > Message-ID: <201004220638.11539.lawgon at au-kbc.org> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" > > On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 9:33:42 am Vivek Khurana wrote: > > My concern with ccavenue is the transaction fees they charge. You have > to > > pay a setup fee and fee per transaction. If you want lower fee per > > transaction you have to pay a higher setup fee. Do we expect enough > volume > > from online transfers to makeup for the setup fee and pay about 8% as > > transaction fee per transaction (Assuming we will go with the lowest > setup > > fees). > > > > at the lowest block - advance of 7500, the rates are 7% for credit card and > 4% > for netbanking. Since 99% of people will opt for netbanking this works out > to > 8 rupees for a 200 rupee ticket and 80 rupees for a 2000 rupee ticket. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:03:24 +0530 > From: Kenneth Gonsalves > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates > Message-ID: <201004220703.24702.lawgon at au-kbc.org> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wednesday 21 Apr 2010 10:05:35 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > This is about whether we should spend precious time on hacking > > software or whether we should spend it getting more important aspects > > of the conference ready. It'd be a pity if talented people like > > yourself and Anand spent time working on the app > > > > I have asked this before and have to ask it again - where are the bugs in > fossconf? what is there to hack on? all these things have been ironed out - > please check out the issue list at bitbucket. All that is needed is to > customise the css and we are ready to go. And of course hosting - we have > three offers, so we can have three mirrors. And btw, it is not *my* app - > no > one needs my permission to work on it and get the css ready. As far as I > know > there are three ready to use branches, mine, theju's and the one on pinax. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:11:36 +0530 > From: Kenneth Gonsalves > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Registration system [was] Budget estimates > Message-ID: <201004220711.36936.lawgon at au-kbc.org> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 12:20:37 am Gora Mohanty wrote: > > I have no particular horse in this fight, nor much involvement in > > Pycon India per se, but I am constantly amazed at the insistence of > > people in reinventing even decently-made wheels: > > > > if man had not been reinventing the wheel for the last 5K years or so, we > would all be using the same type of wheel. As it is there are lakhs of > types > of wheels in the universe - and the insistence of people in reinventing > wheels > is what distinguishes people from monkeys. I am sure you are also amazed at > people who keep reinventing programming languages when there is already a > decently made programming language (it is called basic - or fortran?). As > for > those morons who keep reinventing the operating system inspite of the fact > that there is a decently-made one on the market - I fully agree with you > that > they should be rounded up and shot. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:02:44 +0530 > From: ?????? > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 23:34, kausikram krishnasayee > wrote: > > [...] > >> > >> I've updated the wiki page with details on the two suggestions from > >> this thread - > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion. > > Great, Nice to see that we are moving ahead :) > > > > Chennai cedes and hopes to alteast host pyCon India 2011. > > We would be more than happy to cooperate with all the ground team members > > from bangalore in running a bigger and better PyCon this year. We will > chip > > in where ever it is possible. > > We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. > > Lets not do any more analysis on the Pros and Cons. lets move forward. > whats > > the next thing that has to be done. > > Thanks for taking it on a positive note, +1 for PyconChennai2011 :) > > -- > thanks and regards, > vid || http://svaksha.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:08:23 +0530 > From: Anand Balachandran Pillai > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 9:02 AM, ?????? wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 23:34, kausikram krishnasayee > > wrote: > > > [...] > > >> > > >> I've updated the wiki page with details on the two suggestions from > > >> this thread - > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/VenueDiscussion. > > > > Great, Nice to see that we are moving ahead :) > > > > > > > Chennai cedes and hopes to alteast host pyCon India 2011. > > > We would be more than happy to cooperate with all the ground team > members > > > from bangalore in running a bigger and better PyCon this year. We will > > chip > > > in where ever it is possible. > > > We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. > > > Lets not do any more analysis on the Pros and Cons. lets move forward. > > whats > > > the next thing that has to be done. > > > > Thanks for taking it on a positive note, +1 for PyconChennai2011 :) > > > > Nice to see that we have finally moved 1 step forward from the starting > point. > Thanks Noufal for the initiative in setting up the poll and drawing this to > a close. > > So it is PyConBLR 2010 and PyConChennai2011. Sounds good... > > +1 > > > > > > -- > > thanks and regards, > > vid || http://svaksha.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Inpycon mailing list > > Inpycon at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > > -- > --Anand > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20100422/5aa3c82c/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > End of Inpycon Digest, Vol 12, Issue 59 > *************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 22 08:22:49 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:52:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> References: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:49, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > Aggression is good, but that definitely looks odd. ?It does not Aggression is _never_ good for *any* volunteer project....atleast not if you want the volunteers to stay around and work for free/help out where they can given their real life constraints. That is my zero paise worth. YMMV. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From orsenthil at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:27:04 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:57:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> Message-ID: <20100422062704.GC5601@remy> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:52:49AM +0530, ?????? wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:49, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > > Aggression is good, but that definitely looks odd. ?It does not > > Aggression is _never_ good for *any* volunteer project....atleast not > if you want the volunteers to stay around and work for free/help out > where they can given their real life constraints. That is my zero > paise worth. YMMV. > Hello Vidya, Philosophically, there isn't any 'never' and 'always' in anything. :) It was just my point that sometimes being a little agressive by oneself and on one's task does help. ( BTW, this thought stemmed from observing how another python core developer Antoine is working :) ) I did not mean to force things on others. As you seem to know, that's not the way it works with volunteer based projects. -- Senthil Stay away from hurricanes for a while. From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:27:18 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:57:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is May first fine? I think it excessive but if you guys are sure about it, I'm not going to stand in the way. Can the site be up by then with the payment gateway integration (but sans content)? I'm fine with that. I apologise if I sounded like an evil overlord but atleast now we have deadlines and a deliverable. My aim is to get the conference going and I feel this software is going to hurt it needlessly. If you guys feel otherwise, May 1 is fine by me. Only please don't do the "almost done, just this left" thing since you know as well as I that that is how time get sucked. I'll start another thread to discuss sponsorships. On 4/22/10, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> No. This would be the amount of time needed to get the other setup >> working. The last time, we provisioned a week or something and it took >> over a month. I don't want to repeat the business. Foss conf is >> supposedly bug free and ready to be deployed. A day or two to add >> payment gateway support and another day to deploy. If it takes longer, >> that's going to be the general story and it's going to cripple the >> effort. I apologise if I'm brash here but I feel very strongly about >> this and unless the Foss conf advocates deliver, it's not going to >> work. I thing puritanism will hurt the project and puritanism without >> delivery definitely so. >> >> > If this is going to be your tone from here on, I too give up. Please feel > free to carry on with your conference the way you want it. > > This is a discussion forum not a forum where people dictate others > with emails that take the tone of threats. This is not going to help. > > Where is the supposed "puritanism" ? I recall you also had reacted > strongly when the SciPy thing came up last year. I dont understand > the sudden urgency needed to get it up and running in 3 days. > > Everyone has agreed to chip in but doesn't mean that they are going > to hunch in front of their desktops for the next 3 days just because > you are issuing strong worded emails. Surely by May 1st this can be > done. > > --Anand > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:29:58 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:59:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> References: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> Message-ID: <20100422062958.GD5601@remy> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:49:39AM +0530, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > > Aggression is good, but that definitely looks odd. It does not > directly affect me, but for the people who are willing to work, this > sounds rather forceful. > > Giving time and space and gentle nudging seems to be the way. And > of course, people are interested and that's why they have > ** volunteered **. > That was a response to Noufal's email. ( I hope it was obvious). -- Senthil You love your home and want it to be beautiful. From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:30:40 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:00:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> References: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> Message-ID: Even with the time and other constraints, the other setup can be up before the weekend which is why I suggested it. Anyway, Anand and others have said May 1 and that's fine by me. We have a something solid to look forward to now. On 4/22/10, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:10:24AM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 10:56:51 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> > Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the >> > site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely >> > working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the >> > details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up >> > by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will >> > take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing so the timelines >> > are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. >> > >> >> if this is going to be the tone of discussions and decisions, I would >> rather >> go play golf >> -- > > Aggression is good, but that definitely looks odd. It does not > directly affect me, but for the people who are willing to work, this > sounds rather forceful. > > Giving time and space and gentle nudging seems to be the way. And > of course, people are interested and that's why they have > ** volunteered **. > > > -- > Senthil > > O, what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. > -- Sir Walter Scott, "Marmion" > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:33:38 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:03:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/4/22 Noufal Ibrahim : > Since a lot of people have offered to develop, host and handle the > site using FOSSconf, please coordinate and get the setup completely > working by Saturday evening. Once it's up on a server, mail the > details to Anand C and he'll make it live. If it's not completely up > by Saturday evening, we'll go the other way and not look back. It will > take lesser time to do the wiki plus doattend thing ?so the timelines > are reasonable. By Monday, the site should be up. Sorry for joining late, but I oppose the use of FossConf software for the website. Reasons: * It is important for a conference website to be archived forever and FossConf doesn't consider that at all. I've scrapped the site and setup static html pages for archiving it. http://in.pycon.org/2009/ is the archived html pages. * One feature that wikis don't provide and FossConf provides is scheduling of talks. We spent enormous amount of time to schedule the talks using that software. Using pen and paper and generating the schedule HTML page might have saved us lot of time. * User registration is unnecessarily complex. I think it is 3 step registration process with with weird LastName/FirstName sort orders which Kenneth refused to fix. * Doesn't give control on the URLs in the website. I would like to have http://in.pycon.org/2009/site_howto instead of http://in.pycon.org/2009/base/Site%20Howto/. * Changing style of the site requires the site admin to upload a new css files. Which is too lengthy process. Here is what I propose: * I'll setup an Infogami wiki. It alllows editing pages, styles and the site layout directly from the website. Is there anything more that is required? Anand From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:37:19 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:07:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Is May first fine? I think it excessive but if you guys are sure about > it, I'm not going to stand in the way. Can the site be up by then with > the payment gateway integration (but sans content)? I'm fine with > that. I apologise if I sounded like an evil overlord but atleast now > we have deadlines and a deliverable. My aim is to get the conference > going and I feel this software is going to hurt it needlessly. If you > guys feel otherwise, May 1 is fine by me. Only please don't do the > "almost done, just this left" thing since you know as well as I that > that is how time get sucked. I'll start another thread to discuss > sponsorships. > I think this can be done. I can give my week-ends to this and a few hours on Friday nights. Kenneth please form a plan and let us know. I think it pays to be a BDFL than a DFL btw. Guido is a good guide in that respect. His emails to pydev are well worth a study on how to be benevolent while managing to put the foot down if required. --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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YMMV. > > -- > thanks and regards, > vid || http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:39:59 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:09:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100422063958.GA14671@remy> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:03:38PM +0530, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Here is what I propose: > > * I'll setup an Infogami wiki. It alllows editing pages, styles and > the site layout directly from the website. > > Is there anything more that is required? That is pretty constructive. It will give us some options, we can give it a try, Anand. But the outset, I doubt if that would have the features as fossconf had for conference (despite being not very attractive). -- Senthil Caution: Keep out of reach of children. From orsenthil at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:42:05 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:12:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> Message-ID: <20100422064205.GB14671@remy> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:08:03PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > The other setup is doable within volunteer constraints within less > time. If this sounds aggressive, it's an indication of the size of the > work you're picking up for no good reason (imho). I choose this rather I fail to understand this point. But leave it for the time-being. Anand B has give a good suggestion in the other email. -- Senthil Try to get all of your posthumous medals in advance. From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 22 08:54:32 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:24:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: <201004221110.24911.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <20100422061939.GB5601@remy> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:08, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > The other setup is doable within volunteer constraints within less > time. If this sounds aggressive, it's an indication of the size of the > work you're picking up for no good reason (imho). I choose this rather > confrontational way of saying this to make that obvious. You miss the point entirely -- Your aggressive tone in the mails. Fwiw, thusfar, my replies didnt touch on the topic of "setup"** and whether or not fossconf is viable/good or bad for in.pycon -- entirely tangential to the attitude and tone of your mails. ** As I wrote yesterday in my reply to your off-list mail You were wrong to assume so Next time, it would help to communicate better if people dont assume things or read between the lines. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:56:26 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:26:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > ?I think this can be done. I can give my week-ends to this and a few hours > on Friday nights. Kenneth please form a plan and let us know. > > I think it pays to be a BDFL than a DFL btw.? Guido is a good guide in > that respect. His emails to pydev are well worth a study on how to be > benevolent while managing to put the foot down if required.[..] Cool. Thanks for this. Your reminders are timely and relevant. I'm not Guido myself and I don't really think I can come close to how smoothly he manages the community. I'm trying to do the best I can and some (if not most) of my decisions will have room for improvement. Now that things have gotten started, let's end this thread that almost fractured our community and move ahead. A few parting points * The deadline is strict not because I'm a zealot for doattend but because the website and related work took a disproportionate amount of time last time and I don't want to repeat that. * If it's up by 1 May, I'll be 110% behind the Fossconf powered site and move ahead with it. If it isn't, I think we should move to the infogami + doattend thing without any hard feelings either. * I apologise for the curt tone of my email. I had three reasons - My daughter was unwell and I hadn't slept last night. - The power was out at my house and I was sending mails from my phone (you know how hard it is to type and be polite on those things). - I personally have strong feelings against FOSSconf but i'm not going to let them come in the way of the conf. if the volunteers can keep it up and going. - I'm not personally convinced by the Python/Ruby argument but this also a personal thing. You'll have to admit though that it did get things moving although in an ugly fashion and not one which I want to repeat. Sorry for the ruffled feathers and for the rashness. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:00:45 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:30:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kenneth, Is FOSSConf code available on github of code.google? I will be glad to help you with this. Also offer to host the web site, My company has several dedicated servers with us, I would say Hetzner is the best.... > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:05:02 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:35:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships Message-ID: I've made a skeleton of a page to discuss sponsors and sponsorship tiers at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip I'm not really sure what we should offer in the tiers. I'm also not sure about which companies we should approach. ZeOmega definitely. Probably ThoughtWorks as well. Google would be nice but we need real contacts to go ahead there. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 22 09:05:50 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:35:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:26, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > [......] > ?* I apologise for the curt tone of my email. I had three reasons > ? - My daughter was unwell and I hadn't slept last night. > ? - The power was out at my house and I was sending mails from my > phone (you know how hard it is to type and be polite on those things). Its understandable and I hope your daughter gets well soon. We all have real lives --when I am in such situations, I avoid sending mails, take a break from the PC and do something else till I am in a better frame of mind. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:08:44 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:38:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, ?????? wrote: [..] > Its understandable and I hope your daughter gets well soon. We all > have real lives --when I am in such situations, I avoid sending mails, > take a break from the PC and do something else till I am in a better > frame of mind.[..] Not me. I'm 'aggressive' about getting this done so some of my mails will be curt. They were like that last year and they probably will be like that this year. Sometimes, they were deliberate. Sometimes, they were inadvertent. If the 'tone' of my mails is more important than the 'content', I don't think you're going to like this list in the coming months. I'm open to correction though and Anands mail mentioning Guido was apt and timely. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 22 09:14:23 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:44:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:38, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Not me. I'm 'aggressive' about getting this done so some of my mails > will be curt. They were like that last year and they probably will be > like that this year. Sometimes, they were deliberate. Sometimes, they > were inadvertent. If the 'tone' of my mails is more important than the > 'content', I don't think you're going to like this list in the coming > months. Content is disjunct from the aggressive tone you insist on using, latter is patronizing and condescending. Thanks for clearing that because I volunteer in many floss projects and they dont confuse assertive behaviour (a positive attitude) with aggressive behaviour (a negative behaviour). Keep your aggression--You just lost a volunteer. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From sree at mahiti.org Thu Apr 22 09:16:57 2010 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:46:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Lets park this thread and move forward. All of us have said what we wanted to say. Please lets be positive and progressive. All points taken !? - sree On 22 April 2010 12:44, ?????? wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:38, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Not me. I'm 'aggressive' about getting this done so some of my mails > > will be curt. They were like that last year and they probably will be > > like that this year. Sometimes, they were deliberate. Sometimes, they > > were inadvertent. If the 'tone' of my mails is more important than the > > 'content', I don't think you're going to like this list in the coming > > months. > > Content is disjunct from the aggressive tone you insist on using, > latter is patronizing and condescending. Thanks for clearing that > because I volunteer in many floss projects and they dont confuse > assertive behaviour (a positive attitude) with aggressive behaviour (a > negative behaviour). Keep your aggression--You just lost a volunteer. > > -- > thanks and regards, > vid || http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. 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URL: From anandology at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:28:23 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:58:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/4/22 Noufal Ibrahim : > I've made a skeleton of a page to discuss sponsors and sponsorship > tiers at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip > > I'm not really sure what we should offer in the tiers. > > I'm also not sure about which companies we should approach. ZeOmega > definitely. Probably ThoughtWorks as well. Google would be nice but we > need real contacts to go ahead there. I think 1L is too less for Platinum sponsorship. I suggest 2L for platinum, 1L for gold and 50K for silver. We can aim for: 1 Platinum (1 * 2L) + 2 Gold (2 * 1L) + 2 Silver (2 * 50K) = 5L. Anand From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:44:37 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:14:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 along with apologies On 4/22/10, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > Hi, > Lets park this thread and move forward. All of us have said what we wanted > to say. > Please lets be positive and progressive. > All points taken !? > - sree > > > > On 22 April 2010 12:44, ?????? wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:38, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> > Not me. I'm 'aggressive' about getting this done so some of my mails >> > will be curt. They were like that last year and they probably will be >> > like that this year. Sometimes, they were deliberate. Sometimes, they >> > were inadvertent. If the 'tone' of my mails is more important than the >> > 'content', I don't think you're going to like this list in the coming >> > months. >> >> Content is disjunct from the aggressive tone you insist on using, >> latter is patronizing and condescending. Thanks for clearing that >> because I volunteer in many floss projects and they dont confuse >> assertive behaviour (a positive attitude) with aggressive behaviour (a >> negative behaviour). Keep your aggression--You just lost a volunteer. >> >> -- >> thanks and regards, >> vid || http://svaksha.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Sreekanth S Rameshaiah > Executive Director > Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. > # 33-34, 2nd Floor, > Hennur Cross, Hennur Road, > Bangalore, India - 560043 > Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1 > Mobile: +91 98455 12611 > www.mahiti.org > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:46:30 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:16:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:44 PM, ?????? wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:38, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Not me. I'm 'aggressive' about getting this done so some of my mails > > will be curt. They were like that last year and they probably will be > > like that this year. Sometimes, they were deliberate. Sometimes, they > > were inadvertent. If the 'tone' of my mails is more important than the > > 'content', I don't think you're going to like this list in the coming > > months. > > Content is disjunct from the aggressive tone you insist on using, > latter is patronizing and condescending. Thanks for clearing that > because I volunteer in many floss projects and they dont confuse > assertive behaviour (a positive attitude) with aggressive behaviour (a > negative behaviour). Keep your aggression--You just lost a volunteer. > Well, aggression is not good for such close knit communities as ours. Especially when it comes from those with power :) Vidya, On behalf of the group, I request you to consider this an aberration and please take part in further activities. Noufal has clarified his position and well, sometimes it happens to the best of us. Let us not make a mountain out of a mole hill here. > > -- > thanks and regards, > vid || http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:51:37 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:21:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > All, > > Now that there's May 1 deadline. Can we start working on the site. > > I will be happy to chip in. I can write and fix code for apprxo 8-10 hours > over next 10 days. > > Please start discussing on how we need to set up the site. What all extra > features is required, if any? Please come with suggestions > Kenneth, please join the discussions. > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 10:02:10 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:32:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004221332.10684.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 12:56:08 pm Ramdas S wrote: > All, > > Now that there's May 1 deadline. Can we start working on the site. > > I will be happy to chip in. I can write and fix code for apprxo 8-10 hours > over next 10 days. here is what needs to be done: 1. current code is at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/fossconf/ 2. new repo to be set up for pycon 2010 specific code either in bitbucket or git 3. code to be upgraded to svn trunk (basically adding the csrf_token stuff 4. site to be set up on server with some url 5. although fossconf does have facilities for static pages, it is not really meant for front ending a conference. So a wiki or something to be set up with the few static pages we need for the next few months - announcement of the conference, dates, venue and call for papers. Css to be developed for this wiki and said css to be integrated with fossconf 6. Registration will open sometime in june/july I presume. By then bank account, PAN number and ccavenue account to be created - these are not programming tasks, so I will do them 7. Integration of ccavenue payment with the registration module - code is ready at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/certificate/ and just needs to be copy pasted to the fossconf code. (ccavenue provides a php script for integration to their gateway, but I had ported it to python back in 2004) 8. Decision to be taken on mode of review of papers and selection - last time it was done publicly with public review and comments, if this is changed, then the decorator on those views needs to be altered. 9. the scheduling part is not on the menu - it needs to be there and people who would do the scheduling need to practice a bit on it there may be one or two things I have missed. As far as I am concerned I am committed to doing the legal and financial stuff but certainly am not going to adhere to silly deadlines like getting online payment ready by May 1st when we are only going to need it 2-3 months later. Anyway we need online payment for society membership and donations and all I can say is: it will be done as soon as possible. And I can further emphasise that in a volunteer driven environment, there are ways to get volunteers and ways to drive them away also. To tell someone - either do it your way and do it perfectly before such and such a date, or else I will do it my way, will result in all the volunteers opting out and and all the work landing on on or two people. And saying last time there were problems with the software, so this time we do not need it is like saying last time the tee shirt was printed wrongly so this time we will not have tee shirts. > > Please start discussing on how we need to set up the site. What all extra > features is required, if any? Please come with suggestions > -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 10:02:52 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:32:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004221332.52904.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 1:21:37 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > Please start discussing on how we need to set up the site. What all extra > > features is required, if any? Please come with suggestions > > Kenneth, please join the discussions. > joined in a separate mail -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 10:42:41 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:12:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Website setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > Kenneth, > > Is FOSSConf code available on github of code.google? > > Ramdas I think this is the link to the repo http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/fossconf/ > I will be glad to help you with this. Also offer to host the web site, My > company has several dedicated servers with us, I would say Hetzner is the > best.... > > > -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can write and fix code for apprxo 8-10 > hours > > over next 10 days. > > here is what needs to be done: > > 1. current code is at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/fossconf/ > > 2. new repo to be set up for pycon 2010 specific code either in bitbucket > or > git > > 3. code to be upgraded to svn trunk (basically adding the csrf_token stuff > > 4. site to be set up on server with some url > > 5. although fossconf does have facilities for static pages, it is not > really > meant for front ending a conference. So a wiki or something to be set up > with > the few static pages we need for the next few months - announcement of the > conference, dates, venue and call for papers. Css to be developed for this > wiki and said css to be integrated with fossconf > > 6. Registration will open sometime in june/july I presume. By then bank > account, PAN number and ccavenue account to be created - these are not > programming tasks, so I will do them > > 7. Integration of ccavenue payment with the registration module - code is > ready at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/certificate/ and just needs to be > copy > pasted to the fossconf code. (ccavenue provides a php script for > integration > to their gateway, but I had ported it to python back in 2004) > > 8. Decision to be taken on mode of review of papers and selection - last > time > it was done publicly with public review and comments, if this is changed, > then > the decorator on those views needs to be altered. > I can take care of items (7) and (8) once the code is forked and set up. I will download your code later at home today and study it. Please can someone take care of setting up the code for 2010 in bitbucket or github ? > > 9. the scheduling part is not on the menu - it needs to be there and people > who would do the scheduling need to practice a bit on it > > there may be one or two things I have missed. As far as I am concerned I am > committed to doing the legal and financial stuff but certainly am not going > to > adhere to silly deadlines like getting online payment ready by May 1st when > we > are only going to need it 2-3 months later. Anyway we need online payment > for > society membership and donations and all I can say is: it will be done as > soon > as possible. > > And I can further emphasise that in a volunteer driven environment, there > are > ways to get volunteers and ways to drive them away also. To tell someone - > either do it your way and do it perfectly before such and such a date, or > else > I will do it my way, will result in all the volunteers opting out and and > all > the work landing on on or two people. > > And saying last time there were problems with the software, so this time we > do > not need it is like saying last time the tee shirt was printed wrongly so > this > time we will not have tee shirts. > > > > Please start discussing on how we need to set up the site. What all extra > > features is required, if any? Please come with suggestions > > > > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 11:30:21 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:00:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: <201004221332.10684.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004221332.10684.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Anand C mentioned some items in the other thread. The archival is not critical but the Url names would be nice. Apropos the payment, the software side should be done. The configuration of account number/info on the cc avenue side will have to wait till we get the account. If we leave it for later, the registrations will start to depend on that and might get delayed. On 4/22/10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 12:56:08 pm Ramdas S wrote: >> All, >> >> Now that there's May 1 deadline. Can we start working on the site. >> >> I will be happy to chip in. I can write and fix code for apprxo 8-10 hours >> over next 10 days. > > here is what needs to be done: > > 1. current code is at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/fossconf/ > > 2. new repo to be set up for pycon 2010 specific code either in bitbucket or > git > > 3. code to be upgraded to svn trunk (basically adding the csrf_token stuff > > 4. site to be set up on server with some url > > 5. although fossconf does have facilities for static pages, it is not really > meant for front ending a conference. So a wiki or something to be set up > with > the few static pages we need for the next few months - announcement of the > conference, dates, venue and call for papers. Css to be developed for this > wiki and said css to be integrated with fossconf > > 6. Registration will open sometime in june/july I presume. By then bank > account, PAN number and ccavenue account to be created - these are not > programming tasks, so I will do them > > 7. Integration of ccavenue payment with the registration module - code is > ready at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/certificate/ and just needs to be copy > pasted to the fossconf code. (ccavenue provides a php script for integration > to their gateway, but I had ported it to python back in 2004) > > 8. Decision to be taken on mode of review of papers and selection - last > time > it was done publicly with public review and comments, if this is changed, > then > the decorator on those views needs to be altered. > > 9. the scheduling part is not on the menu - it needs to be there and people > who would do the scheduling need to practice a bit on it > > there may be one or two things I have missed. As far as I am concerned I am > committed to doing the legal and financial stuff but certainly am not going > to > adhere to silly deadlines like getting online payment ready by May 1st when > we > are only going to need it 2-3 months later. Anyway we need online payment > for > society membership and donations and all I can say is: it will be done as > soon > as possible. > > And I can further emphasise that in a volunteer driven environment, there > are > ways to get volunteers and ways to drive them away also. To tell someone - > either do it your way and do it perfectly before such and such a date, or > else > I will do it my way, will result in all the volunteers opting out and and > all > the work landing on on or two people. > > And saying last time there were problems with the software, so this time we > do > not need it is like saying last time the tee shirt was printed wrongly so > this > time we will not have tee shirts. >> >> Please start discussing on how we need to set up the site. What all extra >> features is required, if any? Please come with suggestions >> > > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 11:34:54 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:04:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221332.10684.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Anand C mentioned some items in the other thread. The archival is not > critical but the Url names would be nice. Apropos the payment, the > software side should be done. The configuration of account number/info > on the cc avenue side will have to wait till we get the account. If we > leave it for later, the registrations will start to depend on that and > might get delayed. > I am sure we can start registrations only after the venue, agenda, dates, content is finalized. I dont see this happening in next 30 days. > > On 4/22/10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 12:56:08 pm Ramdas S wrote: > >> All, > >> > >> Now that there's May 1 deadline. Can we start working on the site. > >> > >> I will be happy to chip in. I can write and fix code for apprxo 8-10 > hours > >> over next 10 days. > > > > here is what needs to be done: > > > > 1. current code is at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/fossconf/ > > > > 2. new repo to be set up for pycon 2010 specific code either in bitbucket > or > > git > > > > 3. code to be upgraded to svn trunk (basically adding the csrf_token > stuff > > > > 4. site to be set up on server with some url > > > > 5. although fossconf does have facilities for static pages, it is not > really > > meant for front ending a conference. So a wiki or something to be set up > > with > > the few static pages we need for the next few months - announcement of > the > > conference, dates, venue and call for papers. Css to be developed for > this > > wiki and said css to be integrated with fossconf > > > > 6. Registration will open sometime in june/july I presume. By then bank > > account, PAN number and ccavenue account to be created - these are not > > programming tasks, so I will do them > > > > 7. Integration of ccavenue payment with the registration module - code is > > ready at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/certificate/ and just needs to be > copy > > pasted to the fossconf code. (ccavenue provides a php script for > integration > > to their gateway, but I had ported it to python back in 2004) > > > > 8. Decision to be taken on mode of review of papers and selection - last > > time > > it was done publicly with public review and comments, if this is changed, > > then > > the decorator on those views needs to be altered. > > > > 9. the scheduling part is not on the menu - it needs to be there and > people > > who would do the scheduling need to practice a bit on it > > > > there may be one or two things I have missed. As far as I am concerned I > am > > committed to doing the legal and financial stuff but certainly am not > going > > to > > adhere to silly deadlines like getting online payment ready by May 1st > when > > we > > are only going to need it 2-3 months later. Anyway we need online payment > > for > > society membership and donations and all I can say is: it will be done as > > soon > > as possible. > > > > And I can further emphasise that in a volunteer driven environment, there > > are > > ways to get volunteers and ways to drive them away also. To tell someone > - > > either do it your way and do it perfectly before such and such a date, or > > else > > I will do it my way, will result in all the volunteers opting out and and > > all > > the work landing on on or two people. > > > > And saying last time there were problems with the software, so this time > we > > do > > not need it is like saying last time the tee shirt was printed wrongly so > > this > > time we will not have tee shirts. > >> > >> Please start discussing on how we need to set up the site. What all > extra > >> features is required, if any? Please come with suggestions > >> > > > > -- > > regards > > Kenneth Gonsalves > > Senior Associate > > NRC-FOSS > > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > > _______________________________________________ > > Inpycon mailing list > > Inpycon at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 11:56:53 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:26:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221332.10684.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Does that mean the payment gateway thing will be put off till later? I think it would be excellent if the only thing left after may 1 is content on the site and configuration on cc avenue. Code to be developed later will introduce delays and one of the reasons I pushed for a deadline is so that we can get that out of the way and focus on other issues. It'd be pity to end up with a cool app but no conf to use it for. On 4/22/10, Ramdas S wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> Anand C mentioned some items in the other thread. The archival is not >> critical but the Url names would be nice. Apropos the payment, the >> software side should be done. The configuration of account number/info >> on the cc avenue side will have to wait till we get the account. If we >> leave it for later, the registrations will start to depend on that and >> might get delayed. >> > > > I am sure we can start registrations only after the venue, agenda, dates, > content is finalized. I dont see this happening in next 30 days. > >> >> On 4/22/10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> > On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 12:56:08 pm Ramdas S wrote: >> >> All, >> >> >> >> Now that there's May 1 deadline. Can we start working on the site. >> >> >> >> I will be happy to chip in. I can write and fix code for apprxo 8-10 >> hours >> >> over next 10 days. >> > >> > here is what needs to be done: >> > >> > 1. current code is at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/fossconf/ >> > >> > 2. new repo to be set up for pycon 2010 specific code either in >> > bitbucket >> or >> > git >> > >> > 3. code to be upgraded to svn trunk (basically adding the csrf_token >> stuff >> > >> > 4. site to be set up on server with some url >> > >> > 5. although fossconf does have facilities for static pages, it is not >> really >> > meant for front ending a conference. So a wiki or something to be set up >> > with >> > the few static pages we need for the next few months - announcement of >> the >> > conference, dates, venue and call for papers. Css to be developed for >> this >> > wiki and said css to be integrated with fossconf >> > >> > 6. Registration will open sometime in june/july I presume. By then bank >> > account, PAN number and ccavenue account to be created - these are not >> > programming tasks, so I will do them >> > >> > 7. Integration of ccavenue payment with the registration module - code >> > is >> > ready at http://bitbucket.org/lawgon/certificate/ and just needs to be >> copy >> > pasted to the fossconf code. (ccavenue provides a php script for >> integration >> > to their gateway, but I had ported it to python back in 2004) >> > >> > 8. Decision to be taken on mode of review of papers and selection - last >> > time >> > it was done publicly with public review and comments, if this is >> > changed, >> > then >> > the decorator on those views needs to be altered. >> > >> > 9. the scheduling part is not on the menu - it needs to be there and >> people >> > who would do the scheduling need to practice a bit on it >> > >> > there may be one or two things I have missed. As far as I am concerned I >> am >> > committed to doing the legal and financial stuff but certainly am not >> going >> > to >> > adhere to silly deadlines like getting online payment ready by May 1st >> when >> > we >> > are only going to need it 2-3 months later. Anyway we need online >> > payment >> > for >> > society membership and donations and all I can say is: it will be done >> > as >> > soon >> > as possible. >> > >> > And I can further emphasise that in a volunteer driven environment, >> > there >> > are >> > ways to get volunteers and ways to drive them away also. To tell someone >> - >> > either do it your way and do it perfectly before such and such a date, >> > or >> > else >> > I will do it my way, will result in all the volunteers opting out and >> > and >> > all >> > the work landing on on or two people. >> > >> > And saying last time there were problems with the software, so this time >> we >> > do >> > not need it is like saying last time the tee shirt was printed wrongly >> > so >> > this >> > time we will not have tee shirts. >> >> >> >> Please start discussing on how we need to set up the site. What all >> extra >> >> features is required, if any? Please come with suggestions >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > regards >> > Kenneth Gonsalves >> > Senior Associate >> > NRC-FOSS >> > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inpycon mailing list >> > Inpycon at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > >> >> >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 12:16:45 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:46:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221332.10684.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: 2010/4/22 Noufal Ibrahim : > Does that mean the payment gateway thing will be put off till later? I > think it would be excellent if the only thing left after may 1 is > content on the site and configuration on cc avenue. Code to be > developed later will introduce delays and one of the reasons I pushed > for a deadline is so that we can get that out of the way and focus on > other issues. It'd be pity to end up with a cool app but no conf to > use it for. I think using doattend is straight forward. We don't have to integrate anything except adding a link to doattend website. They are charging 4.9% + Rs 15 = Rs. 25 (assuming Rs. 200 registration fee). http://doattend.com/pricing Anand From steve at lonetwin.net Thu Apr 22 12:34:00 2010 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:04:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221332.10684.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <4BD02618.3070000@lonetwin.net> On 04/22/2010 03:46 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > 2010/4/22 Noufal Ibrahim: >> Does that mean the payment gateway thing will be put off till later? I >> think it would be excellent if the only thing left after may 1 is >> content on the site and configuration on cc avenue. Code to be >> developed later will introduce delays and one of the reasons I pushed >> for a deadline is so that we can get that out of the way and focus on >> other issues. It'd be pity to end up with a cool app but no conf to >> use it for. > > I think using doattend is straight forward. We don't have to integrate > anything except adding a link to doattend website. > > They are charging 4.9% + Rs 15 = Rs. 25 (assuming Rs. 200 registration fee). > > http://doattend.com/pricing *sigh* Guys, ...if doattend is a easy thing to do and can be done in a day or two ... ...and we don't have the need for a functional payment gateway by May 1, ... ...and people are willing to put in time to code a functional payment gateway by the time we really actually need it (although /maybe/ not by 1st May) ... ...why then is there this sense of urgency ?? If the fossconf payment gateway is not ready by the time we need it (or a day before we need it, we'll just use doattend). what's with all the fuss of my way vs yours ? cheers, - steve -- random new spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ random old spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From steve at lonetwin.net Thu Apr 22 12:47:02 2010 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:17:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BD02926.8090809@lonetwin.net> Hi, On 04/21/2010 11:34 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > [...snip...] > Chennai cedes and hopes to alteast host pyCon India 2011. > We would be more than happy to cooperate with all the ground team > members from bangalore in running a bigger and better PyCon this year. > We will chip in where ever it is possible. > We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. > Just a humble suggestion in sideways ...chennai could further it's case for pycon India 2011 if the chennai guys could bring in one or more heavy weight sponsors for this year's conf. I know it'll be hard to do if the conf is not local but that would be all the more reason to do aim for it so that chennai gets bragging rights :) cheers, - steve -- random new spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ random old spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From kausikram at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 13:16:02 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:46:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) In-Reply-To: <4BD02926.8090809@lonetwin.net> References: <4BD02926.8090809@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: > > Just a humble suggestion in sideways ...chennai could further it's case for > pycon India 2011 if the chennai guys could bring in one or more heavy weight > sponsors for this year's conf. 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From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 15:02:29 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:32:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: <4BD02618.3070000@lonetwin.net> References: <201004221332.10684.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4BD02618.3070000@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: The action plan is ready and work has started. Let's not take a step back now and start discussions again. We'll bring up the issue of the site on May 1. On 4/22/10, steve wrote: > On 04/22/2010 03:46 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> 2010/4/22 Noufal Ibrahim: >>> Does that mean the payment gateway thing will be put off till later? I >>> think it would be excellent if the only thing left after may 1 is >>> content on the site and configuration on cc avenue. Code to be >>> developed later will introduce delays and one of the reasons I pushed >>> for a deadline is so that we can get that out of the way and focus on >>> other issues. It'd be pity to end up with a cool app but no conf to >>> use it for. >> >> I think using doattend is straight forward. We don't have to integrate >> anything except adding a link to doattend website. >> >> They are charging 4.9% + Rs 15 = Rs. 25 (assuming Rs. 200 registration >> fee). >> >> http://doattend.com/pricing > > *sigh* > > Guys, > ...if doattend is a easy thing to do and can be done in a day or two ... > ...and we don't have the need for a functional payment gateway by May 1, ... > ...and people are willing to put in time to code a functional payment > gateway by > the time we really actually need it (although /maybe/ not by 1st May) ... > > ...why then is there this sense of urgency ?? If the fossconf payment > gateway is > not ready by the time we need it (or a day before we need it, we'll just use > doattend). > > what's with all the fuss of my way vs yours ? > > cheers, > - steve > -- > random new spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ > random old spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/ > what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 15:11:26 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:41:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) In-Reply-To: <4BD02926.8090809@lonetwin.net> References: <4BD02926.8090809@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: Kausik was a key person in last years conf and not just with sponsors. Now that the venue is decided, it'd be best if all worked towards getting sponsors regardless of from where. On 4/22/10, steve wrote: > Hi, > On 04/21/2010 11:34 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: >> [...snip...] >> Chennai cedes and hopes to alteast host pyCon India 2011. >> We would be more than happy to cooperate with all the ground team >> members from bangalore in running a bigger and better PyCon this year. >> We will chip in where ever it is possible. >> We as i promised will not draw a long face and cry foul. >> > Just a humble suggestion in sideways ...chennai could further it's case for > pycon India 2011 if the chennai guys could bring in one or more heavy weight > sponsors for this year's conf. I know it'll be hard to do if the conf is not > local but that would be all the more reason to do aim for it so that chennai > gets bragging rights :) > > cheers, > - steve > > -- > random new spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ > random old spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/ > what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 15:32:05 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:02:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue finalised (was Re: Venue Finalization) In-Reply-To: <20100422112756.GI14671@remy> References: <20100422112756.GI14671@remy> Message-ID: <201004221902.05557.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 4:57:56 pm Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 04:46:02PM +0530, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > > > > oh did i tell you that i am from chennai and helped the sponsorship team > > wrap a couple of sponsors last year? ;) > > And I feel that, you just have be little bit more strong, Kausik. Or > did you leave it as you saw that there was an inclination in holding > it at blore? I meant for Pycon India at Chennai. > well I for one thought Chennai was a done deal. I mean we had zeroed in on two venues and I had already fixed two backup venues. Whereas Bangalore had not discussed venues at all. As for the poll, I never thought anyone would take it seriously - I was addressing an audience of 300 python trainees at that time and would have asked them all to vote if I had any inkling of this - which would anyway have been wasted as only the first 100 votes could be counted. Anyway, what is done is done - so let's go ahead and make this pycon a roaring success. But one thing is sure - for 2011 I am going to make sure that every element of the Chennai bid is in place before this conference so we announce the venue for 2011 at the conference itself. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 15:47:48 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:17:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <4BD02618.3070000@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 6:32:29 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > The action plan is ready and work has started. Let's not take a step > back now and start discussions again. We'll bring up the issue of the > site on May 1. > ok - Ramdas will host the site, put a fork on bitbucket and have a sample running by tomorrow - warts and all. He will also do the csrf_token thing (there is a script for it now). Anand B will take the portal integration code from the certificate site and integrate it with the registration process. and now, the 1000 rupee question - who does the css and design? Whoever does it has to work with Noufal to make sure that the announcement of the conference with dates and venue is up on some wiki with the css (maybe by monday). next, integration of the css with fossconf site - again I think this is Ramdas. and ugly urls - we will take care of those. As for archiving, I assure you that an auto-archive will be in place for the closing ceremony of the conference. the site needs a user manual - I will do that when I return. also add the menu items for scheduling so that people can do it in a jiffy instead of spending hours trying to do it. I am currently in gods own e country and my tata indicom connection refuses to access bitbucket, so any contribution of mine will have to wait till monday. (incidentaly I am here as a guest of the IT ministry and they have shown considerable interest in sponsoring and hosting the 2011 conference). Till now gods own e country was pure php land - that is changing, python is going to rule. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 16:14:09 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:44:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <4BD02618.3070000@lonetwin.net> <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 6:32:29 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > The action plan is ready and work has started. Let's not take a step > > back now and start discussions again. We'll bring up the issue of the > > site on May 1. > > > > ok - Ramdas will host the site, put a fork on bitbucket and have a sample > running by tomorrow - warts and all. He will also do the csrf_token thing > (there is a script for it now). Anand B will take the portal integration > code > from the certificate site and integrate it with the registration process. > > and now, the 1000 rupee question - who does the css and design? Whoever > does > it has to work with Noufal to make sure that the announcement of the > conference with dates and venue is up on some wiki with the css (maybe by > monday). > > next, integration of the css with fossconf site - again I think this is > Ramdas. > > and ugly urls - we will take care of those. As for archiving, I assure you > that an auto-archive will be in place for the closing ceremony of the > conference. > > the site needs a user manual - I will do that when I return. also add the > menu > items for scheduling so that people can do it in a jiffy instead of > spending > hours trying to do it. > > I am currently in gods own e country and my tata indicom connection refuses > to > access bitbucket, so any contribution of mine will have to wait till > monday. > > (incidentaly I am here as a guest of the IT ministry and they have shown > considerable interest in sponsoring and hosting the 2011 conference). Till > now > gods own e country was pure php land - that is changing, python is going to > rule. > Amazing, all the best for your efforts. Getting the support of any government dept will be a major boost to the conference. Regarding the code, I will try to do the code fork and stuff. Though I am not very familiar with bitbucket, github etc I guess it won't take much time for me to learn - do I need your credentials to do this ? If so send it to me directly. > > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 16:14:36 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:44:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <4BD02618.3070000@lonetwin.net> <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [..] > and now, the 1000 rupee question - who does the css and design? Whoever does > it has to work with Noufal to make sure that the announcement of the > conference with dates and venue is up on some wiki with the css (maybe by > monday). A bare minimum CSS is fine. As long as it's not geocities. > next, integration of the css with fossconf site - again I think this is > Ramdas. > > and ugly urls - we will take care of those. As for archiving, I assure you > that an auto-archive will be in place for the closing ceremony of the > conference. Yeah. This isn't gating. > the site needs a user manual - I will do that when I return. also add the menu > items for scheduling so that people can do it in a jiffy instead of spending > hours trying to do it. I think it'd be quicker if you send out a mail asking for site admins and just email them with basic instructions rather than sit down to make a full manual. A couple of folks who did the same work that Ponnuswamy and Devyan did last year. Perhaps they themselves if they're free and willing. > I am currently in gods own e country and my tata indicom connection refuses to > access bitbucket, so any contribution of mine will have to wait till monday. Two people who are currently working on FOSSConf I feel have strengths that are extremely valuable beyond the technical area. You with the society/account related matters and Ramdas with contacts to the media that can help advertising. We slipped on the latter front last time. It won't be *that* hard to find more coders but the other skills are rarer. > (incidentaly I am here as a guest of the IT ministry and they have shown > considerable interest in sponsoring and hosting the 2011 conference). Till now > gods own e country was pure php land - that is changing, python is going to > rule. That's nice. Govt. sponsorships will *definitely* help PR but I've heard that they take a LONG time. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 16:37:04 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:07:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 7:44:36 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: [..] > > > and now, the 1000 rupee question - who does the css and design? Whoever > > does it has to work with Noufal to make sure that the announcement of the > > conference with dates and venue is up on some wiki with the css (maybe by > > monday). > > A bare minimum CSS is fine. As long as it's not geocities. > but who is writing it??? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 16:44:09 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:14:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Can't we use the same one as last time or what mukt used? On 4/22/10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 7:44:36 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves >> wrote: [..] >> >> > and now, the 1000 rupee question - who does the css and design? Whoever >> > does it has to work with Noufal to make sure that the announcement of >> > the >> > conference with dates and venue is up on some wiki with the css (maybe >> > by >> > monday). >> >> A bare minimum CSS is fine. As long as it's not geocities. >> > > but who is writing it??? > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > Senior Associate > NRC-FOSS > http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 07:50:59 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:20:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule Message-ID: I haven't put it up on the wiki yet but if you folks can take a quick look see and voice your thoughts, we can refine it on the list. I'll post it up on the wiki with alterations once the discussions converge. Does it look reasonable? Overall schedule for PyCon India 2010 ===================================== Date: 2010-04-23 11:19:02 IST Table of Contents ================= 1 Till end of April 2 May1 - May 10 3 By end of May 4 June 1 - June 30 5 July 1 - July 30 6 August 7 September 1 Till end of April ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Discussions on long term aspects like - Dates - CFP - Number of tracks - Venue finalisation and begin talking (JN Tata is my vote). - Wifi provider - A/V provider - Food provider - Development and setup of website so that we have our public face (by May 1). - Start advertising by word of mouth/twitter 2 May1 - May 10 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Discuss sponsors on list - Finalise main list (the must haves - others can come later and we'll accomodate) - Finalise benefits in each tier - Prepare sponsorship brochures - Assign people to start talking to the sponsors. - The bank account should be ready so that we can get funds by atleast May 15. 3 By end of May ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Get commitments from atleast a few sponsors - WiFi is a priority. We should somehow get a provider like AirTel to sponsor this. One person should be in charge of this. - A/V shouldn't be as hard as wifi but we need a person who'll be in touch with them. 4 June 1 - June 30 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Mainly focussing on sponsors. This month will be a little hazy since our steps forward depend on how much cash we'll make. - It will also be one of the most critical since no money == no conference. - The moment we make enough to book the venue, we should go ahead and do it. - Now we have a minimal conference with no wifi/food. - Put up pages on the website detailing nearby restaurants and stuff in as much detail as possible. - Depending on what the financial situation, we can take the call here on international speakers. They're the main luxury we can cut off. - Discuss of CFP on the list (details like how many etc.) - We (ie. Anand) will also discuss with the PSF whether they can sponsor a speaker or two from abroad. 5 July 1 - July 30 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - CFP (July 1) - Announce in and shamelessly publicise it - 3 weeks to send papers. July 20 is the cut off date. - 2 or 3 weeks to review papers. Authors will be notified by early/mid August. (team to review papers - a few from India and few from abroad). - By end of August, the abstracts should be with us. - Find a caterer and negotiate prices (same as last time?) - By the end of this month, we should have a confirmed conference so official publicity can start (media etc.) 6 August ~~~~~~~~~ - Recieve papers from interested parties. - Discuss keynote/invited speakers - This would depend on budget and by this time we should be clear on when/what we can do. - Tie up loose ends. This is getting fuzzy. 7 September ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Somewhere in the middle (15 - 20) - official conference dates. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 08:01:33 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:31:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > 2010/4/22 Noufal Ibrahim : >> I've made a skeleton of a page to discuss sponsors and sponsorship >> tiers at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip >> >> I'm not really sure what we should offer in the tiers. >> >> I'm also not sure about which companies we should approach. ZeOmega >> definitely. Probably ThoughtWorks as well. Google would be nice but we >> need real contacts to go ahead there. > > I think 1L is too less for Platinum sponsorship. I suggest 2L for > platinum, 1L for gold and 50K for silver. > > We can aim for: > > 1 Platinum (1 * 2L) + 2 Gold (2 * 1L) + 2 Silver (2 * 50K) = 5L. Makes sense but we should target for above our budget. If we aim for the stars, we might reach the moon but if we aim for the moon, we might not end up anywhere. Let's decouple the budget from the sponsors and focus on getting as many sponsors as we can. If there's excess cash, we have our society and stuff and we can always keep cash for next year. We can also buy hardware like power strips etc. which would help up in the future and keep it as society property. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kausikram at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 08:37:09 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:07:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Couple of quick ideas * it would makes sense to talk to a couple of US offices having Indian operations. for the sponsorship amount of say 2000 dollars is nothing(10 delegate passes to PyCon in the US) and the same amount translates to over a lakh here. * on the list of sponsors i would like to add Yahoo India R&D, as well. * Targeting a couple of well to do technical publications is also a good idea. we can talk to Packt Publishers and such, in returns we could let them sell their python books. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I've made a skeleton of a page to discuss sponsors and sponsorship > tiers at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip > > I'm not really sure what we should offer in the tiers. > > I'm also not sure about which companies we should approach. ZeOmega > definitely. Probably ThoughtWorks as well. Google would be nice but we > need real contacts to go ahead there. > > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 10:33:47 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:03:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Lakshman Prasad wrote: > I think, Zynga would be a prospective sponsor too. I can try to open a channel with Zynga. I know a few people there but I'm not sure how much they'd be interested in a Python conference. AFAIK, they're a PHP shop. No harm trying though. > I know some decision makers at Google Bangalore. Excellent. The big G is one of the people who can really help. I would recommend that you talk to your contact to get info about decision makers in the US and interface with them. Like Kausik suggested, most of this is peanuts to them and gold nuggets to us. > I can contact both of them for sponsorships.[..] Please do. As a general point, since we don't have the dates and other details finalised yet. It would be best to keep the tone like "We are working on it and things are moving. We should have the dates/venue finalised soon. We'd love to have your support for the conf." rather than a concrete proposal. Comments? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 11:07:24 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:37:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Lakshman Prasad > wrote: > > I think, Zynga would be a prospective sponsor too. > > I can try to open a channel with Zynga. I know a few people there but > I'm not sure how much they'd be interested in a Python conference. > AFAIK, they're a PHP shop. No harm trying though. > > > I know some decision makers at Google Bangalore. > > Excellent. The big G is one of the people who can really help. I would > recommend that you talk to your contact to get info about decision > makers in the US and interface with them. Like Kausik suggested, most > of this is peanuts to them and gold nuggets to us. > > > I can contact both of them for sponsorships.[..] > > Please do. > > > As a general point, since we don't have the dates and other details > finalised yet. It would be best to keep the tone like "We are working > on it and things are moving. We should have the dates/venue finalised > soon. We'd love to have your support for the conf." rather than a > concrete proposal. > > Comments? > What is the sponsorship amount you are looking at ? And why ? Can we discuss how we are planning to split the sponsorship amount for expenses ? For egs. if we say 5L then how much for the venue, how much others etc ? Regarding Zynga, I have my reservations about approaching them. First of all they are a controversial company who have had their own problems with the so-called "social games" that are a facade to social networking scams (with or without their knowledge, doesn't matter). Secondly I know it as a fact they don't use Python there since I have a couple of friends there, so why bother ? We should definitely try and approach the publishers however. Preferably those like O'Reilly and Packt who are working on Python books and have helped to popularize the language. Google - I am not so sure. When google takes part in an event, they like to leave their stamp in it, so either the event has to change for them or they won't pitch in IMHO. You cannot expect Google to be a silver sponsor when company XYZ is a diamond sponsor - they don't do that AFAIK. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 11:12:58 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:42:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I haven't put it up on the wiki yet but if you folks can take a quick > look see and voice your thoughts, we can refine it on the list. I'll > post it up on the wiki with alterations once the discussions converge. > > Does it look reasonable? > > Overall schedule for PyCon India 2010 > ===================================== > > Date: 2010-04-23 11:19:02 IST > > > Table of Contents > ================= > 1 Till end of April > 2 May1 - May 10 > 3 By end of May > 4 June 1 - June 30 > 5 July 1 - July 30 > 6 August > 7 September > > > 1 Till end of April > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - Discussions on long term aspects like > - Dates > - CFP > - Number of tracks > - Venue finalisation and begin talking (JN Tata is my vote). > - Wifi provider > - A/V provider > - Food provider > - Development and setup of website so that we have our public > face (by May 1). > - Start advertising by word of mouth/twitter > > 2 May1 - May 10 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - Discuss sponsors on list > - Finalise main list (the must haves - others can come later and > we'll accomodate) > - Finalise benefits in each tier > - Prepare sponsorship brochures > - Assign people to start talking to the sponsors. > - The bank account should be ready so that we can get funds by > atleast May 15. > > 3 By end of May > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - Get commitments from atleast a few sponsors > - WiFi is a priority. We should somehow get a provider like AirTel > to sponsor this. One person should be in charge of this. > - A/V shouldn't be as hard as wifi but we need a person who'll be > in touch with them. > > 4 June 1 - June 30 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - Mainly focussing on sponsors. This month will be a little hazy > since our steps forward depend on how much cash we'll make. > - It will also be one of the most critical since no money == no > conference. > - The moment we make enough to book the venue, we should go ahead > and do it. > - Now we have a minimal conference with no wifi/food. > - Put up pages on the website detailing nearby restaurants and > stuff in as much detail as possible. > - Depending on what the financial situation, we can take the call > here on international speakers. They're the main luxury we can > cut off. > - Discuss of CFP on the list (details like how many etc.) > - We (ie. Anand) will also discuss with the PSF whether they can > sponsor a speaker or two from abroad. > > 5 July 1 - July 30 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - CFP (July 1) > - Announce in and shamelessly publicise it > - 3 weeks to send papers. July 20 is the cut off date. > - 2 or 3 weeks to review papers. Authors will be notified by > early/mid August. (team to review papers - a few from India and > few from abroad). > - By end of August, the abstracts should be with us. > - Find a caterer and negotiate prices (same as last time?) > - By the end of this month, we should have a confirmed conference so > official publicity can start (media etc.) > > 6 August > ~~~~~~~~~ > - Recieve papers from interested parties. > - Discuss keynote/invited speakers - This would depend on budget > and by this time we should be clear on when/what we can do. > - Tie up loose ends. This is getting fuzzy. > The dates should be finalized before we send out the Call for proposals. Also I think CFPs should be send at an earlier date so we give around 1-2 months for proposals to be sent. July 1 is too late for a mid-late Sep conference, we should send for CFPs by June 1st and put the last date for CFPs in August 1st week which gives a clear 2 months for it. By June we should have the track discussions and planning done so the CFPs can be slotted properly. I can start working on this once I finish helping with the fossconf stuff. Accepted proposals should be intimated by August end. > > 7 September > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > - Somewhere in the middle (15 - 20) - official conference dates. > --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 11:26:19 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:56:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > ?What is the sponsorship amount you are looking at ? And why ? > ?Can we discuss how we are planning to split the sponsorship > ?amount for expenses ? For egs. if we say 5L then how much for > ?the venue, how much others etc ? The budget outline which I sent out is here http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/BudgetEstimates It covers the breakdown and the 5.15L number comes from there. I'm sure it has deficiencies since it's not yet well discussed but it's a starting point. It does need to be finalised and then the tiering which is roughly outlined on http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip before we actually start talking to folks. > ?Regarding Zynga, I have my reservations about approaching them. > ?First of all they are a controversial company who have had their > ?own problems with the so-called "social games" that are > ?a facade to social networking scams (with or without their knowledge, > ?doesn't matter). Secondly I know it as a fact they don't use Python > ?there since I have a couple of friends there, so why bother ? Yup. I know that for a fact as well. I would approach them if we're desperate but not at the outset. I wouldn't mind approaching non-python companies though. ThoughtWorks helped out last time and I'm grateful. > ?We should definitely try and approach the publishers however. > ?Preferably those like O'Reilly and Packt who are working on > ?Python books and have helped to popularize the language. Makes sense. I'm for making cold calls (or warm ones if people have contacts) to these organisations to see if they're willing. I had a mail from a publisher last year (forgot which one) who wanted to sponsor and help out with "conference proceedings". I'll fish out that mail and open a thread there as well. > ?Google - I am not so sure. When google takes part in an event, > ?they like to leave their stamp in it, so either the event has to > ?change for them or they won't pitch in IMHO. You cannot expect > ?Google to be a silver sponsor when company XYZ is a > ?diamond sponsor - they don't do that AFAIK. No harm talking to them if we have sufficiently high level contacts. I don't think dismissing a sponsor with an upfront cursory analysis is a good idea. If we're looking for sponsors, we'll *have* to compromise. As long as it doesn't butt in on the important aspects of the conf. (eg. if they want a stall, if they want their names on the swag bags etc.), I think we can manage. What do you feel? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 11:33:19 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:03:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > ?The dates should be finalized before we send out the Call for > ?proposals. Also I think CFPs should be send at an earlier date so > ?we give around 1-2 months for proposals to be sent. July 1 is too late > ?for a mid-late Sep conference, we should send for CFPs by June 1st > ?and put the last date for CFPs in August 1st week which gives a clear > ?2 months for it. > > ?By June we should have the track discussions and planning done > ?so the CFPs can be slotted properly. I can start working on this > ?once I finish helping with the fossconf stuff. > > ?Accepted proposals should be intimated by August end.[..] One concern : FOSSConf I think requires people to register before we they can submit proposals. These registrations are different from delegate registrations since I think they'd open up before early bird registrations for delegates. How do we do this? I think August end is a little too late for final notification if the conf. is to be held in September. People will have just 3 weeks to get their slides/code in place. This is of course assuming that they're not uploading the whole deal but only an abstract. Perhaps we can make it like so June 1 : CFP announcement July 15 : Last date (gives 45 days to submit) By August 10 : Selection and final notification. If we parallelise the selection process, we do this quicker. What do you feel? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 13:49:52 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:19:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > [..] > > What is the sponsorship amount you are looking at ? And why ? > > Can we discuss how we are planning to split the sponsorship > > amount for expenses ? For egs. if we say 5L then how much for > > the venue, how much others etc ? > > The budget outline which I sent out is here > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/BudgetEstimates > > It covers the breakdown and the 5.15L number comes from there. I'm > sure it has deficiencies since it's not yet well discussed but it's a > starting point. > > It does need to be finalised and then the tiering which is roughly > outlined on http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip > before we actually start talking to folks. > > > Regarding Zynga, I have my reservations about approaching them. > > First of all they are a controversial company who have had their > > own problems with the so-called "social games" that are > > a facade to social networking scams (with or without their knowledge, > > doesn't matter). Secondly I know it as a fact they don't use Python > > there since I have a couple of friends there, so why bother ? > > Yup. I know that for a fact as well. > > I would approach them if we're desperate but not at the outset. I > wouldn't mind approaching non-python companies though. ThoughtWorks > helped out last time and I'm grateful. > > > > We should definitely try and approach the publishers however. > > Preferably those like O'Reilly and Packt who are working on > > Python books and have helped to popularize the language. > > Makes sense. > I'm for making cold calls (or warm ones if people have contacts) to > these organisations to see if they're willing. I had a mail from a > publisher last year (forgot which one) who wanted to sponsor and help > out with "conference proceedings". I'll fish out that mail and open a > thread there as well. > > > > Google - I am not so sure. When google takes part in an event, > > they like to leave their stamp in it, so either the event has to > > change for them or they won't pitch in IMHO. You cannot expect > > Google to be a silver sponsor when company XYZ is a > > diamond sponsor - they don't do that AFAIK. > > No harm talking to them if we have sufficiently high level contacts. I > don't think dismissing a sponsor with an upfront cursory analysis is a > good idea. If we're looking for sponsors, we'll *have* to compromise. > As long as it doesn't butt in on the important aspects of the conf. > (eg. if they want a stall, if they want their names on the swag bags > etc.), I think we can manage. > No, I didn't mean to do that. My point is that it is better to look for a larger number of medium-smaller sponsors than the one big diamond sponsor who provides the silver-bullet for our budgeting worries. First of all, having more # of varied sponsors improves the image and participation in the conference and secondly, we don't need to give into the compulsions of the big guy. Finally, I don't believe we are in such a stage so as to scout around for the big guys. Not yet. I have made changes to your wiki page. Please take a look. > > What do you feel? > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 13:52:42 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:22:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > No, I didn't mean to do that. My point is that it is better to look for > a larger number of medium-smaller sponsors than the one big > diamond sponsor who provides the silver-bullet for our budgeting > worries. That is true. I was however thinking of them as a diamond sponsor and perhaps smaller others. > First of all, having more # of varied sponsors improves the > image and participation in the conference and secondly, we don't > need to give into the compulsions of the big guy. Finally, I don't > believe we are in such a stage so as to scout around for the big > guys. Not yet. Perhaps not enough clout but I don't see the harm in giving it a shot. I concur with your other point though. Perhaps we should approach the big G *after* scouting around a little. > I have made changes to your wiki page. Please take a look.[..] Will do. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 14:42:35 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:12:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/4/23 Noufal Ibrahim : > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > [..] >> No, I didn't mean to do that. My point is that it is better to look for >> a larger number of medium-smaller sponsors than the one big >> diamond sponsor who provides the silver-bullet for our budgeting >> worries. > > That is true. I was however thinking of them as a diamond sponsor and > perhaps smaller others. Last time the maximum amount that we asked for was 50K. There could be companies willing to sponsor more money. We should shouldn't cut down the opportunity by keeping the sponsorship amount small. I suggest keeping 2L for platinum, 1L for Gold and 50K for Silver. Anand From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 14:48:05 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:18:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > 2010/4/23 Noufal Ibrahim : >> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai >> wrote: >> [..] >>> No, I didn't mean to do that. My point is that it is better to look for >>> a larger number of medium-smaller sponsors than the one big >>> diamond sponsor who provides the silver-bullet for our budgeting >>> worries. >> >> That is true. I was however thinking of them as a diamond sponsor and >> perhaps smaller others. > > Last time the maximum amount that we asked for was 50K. There could be > companies willing to sponsor more money. We should shouldn't cut down > the opportunity by keeping the sponsorship amount small. > > I suggest keeping 2L for platinum, 1L for Gold and 50K for Silver. Those numbers are fine when we pitch. After a while, they'll negotiate and the actual amount we receive will be lesser. Another point is that some companies give the money only after the conf. I've heard that this is Google's policy. We have to be careful with this. Some companies (like one of the sponsors) last year promise the money after the conf and then never pay up in spite of repeated mails. ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From santhosh.divakar at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 15:38:03 2010 From: santhosh.divakar at gmail.com (Santhosh Divakar) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:08:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Some companies (like one of the sponsors) last year promise the money > after the conf and then never pay up in spite of repeated mails. > > ~noufal > > > For avoiding such situations, should we go in for post-dated cheques?. I do not know the legal & other implications of this thou!. -Santhosh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was amazing to see enthusiasm, energy and openness in the core dev's interactions with newbies across all the projects that I saw and spoke to. It made you want to stay and learn, except a day had only 24 hours. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 18:27:56 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:57:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Santhosh Divakar wrote: [..] > For avoiding such situations, should we go in for post-dated cheques?.? I do > not know the legal & other implications of this thou!.[..] I don't expect them to give it. The basic idea is that they don't trust that you'll hold the conference. Once you do, they'll start the 'process' and give you the money or in the case of "the company that shall not be named", they don't. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kausikram at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 20:11:10 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:41:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Santhosh Divakar > > I don't expect them to give it. The basic idea is that they don't > trust that you'll hold the conference. Once you do, they'll start the > 'process' and give you the money with most companies there is a wait period of anywhere between 30 days to 90 days post event, when you raise an invoice and they release the cheque. however some companies like most of the sponsors last time can bend their rule and release the cash upfront. > or in the case of "the company that shall not be named", they don't. well i strongly believe that this particular company SHOULD be named. its highly unethical to take advantage of a volunteer run organization. i would strongly urge that we create a "hall of shame" in the website and display their names in

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> > > What was (not) done was bad. But then we as pythonistas start biting back, the essence of python might not be upheld. Just my 2 paisa. -Santhosh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 20:30:03 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:00:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Santhosh Divakar wrote: [..] > What was (not) done was bad. But then we as pythonistas start biting back, > the essence of python might not be upheld. Just my 2 paisa.[..] Oh, I intend to make a few phone calls. Atleast to get their official position on this. It's just that we have more important things to do now. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Sat Apr 24 05:42:24 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:12:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:40, Lakshman Prasad wrote: > I think, Zynga would be a prospective sponsor too. > I know some decision makers at Google Bangalore. > I can contact both of them for sponsorships. Hi, just wanted to ask if you got any reply. I had written to a G employee and have been referred to the person who handles this. Will keep the list posted if I hear anything. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From vid at svaksha.com Sat Apr 24 05:46:42 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:16:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> >> I suggest keeping 2L for platinum, 1L for Gold and 50K for Silver. Right now can I use these numbers to pitch? Do we have any other suggestions? -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 10:30:44 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:00:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: [..] > One concern : > ?FOSSConf I think requires people to register before we they can > submit proposals. > ?These registrations are different from delegate registrations since I > think they'd open up before early bird registrations for delegates. > ?How do we do this? > > I think August end is a little too late for final notification if the > conf. is to be held in September. People will have just 3 weeks to get > their slides/code in place. This is of course assuming that they're > not uploading the whole deal but only an abstract. > > Perhaps we can make it like so > > June 1 ? ? ? ? ? ?: CFP announcement > July 15 ? ? ? ? ? ?: Last date (gives 45 days to submit) > By August 10 ?: Selection and final notification. If we parallelise > the selection process, we do this quicker. > > What do you feel?[..] Any further comments? Once we have a skeleton of the timeline in place, we'll have a more concrete plan of action (something which we didn't have last time). Kausik and the others in Chennai did some research into the dates and September 25/26 is a date when there are no festivals and other clashes. Shall we freeze that as the official dates? Once that's done, we can try to book the venue as well. As for Vidya's comments on the sprints, we had a sprint slot last time but most of the people just left and they packed up the wifi as well so it didn't really happen. A longish conference leading to a sprint marathon would be nice and I think workable but a 2 day event probably wouldn't. I think we should just focus on an entire 2 days of talks ending with a series of lightning talks. Based on last years show, I'm not very confident about sprints. Of course, we didn't advertise or charge up people for that either so maybe... Comments? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Sat Apr 24 11:32:52 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:02:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 14:00, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > [.......] > not very confident about sprints. Of course, we didn't advertise or > charge up people for that either so maybe... http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/2010/04/bugfixing-at-pyohio.html, since we have a few months to plan and discuss something similar? Any takers? -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 17:38:14 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:08:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Can't we use the same one as last time or what mukt used? > Which mukt ? did you see the latest css on mukt.in ? Btw that is drupal powered :) regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From noufal at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 17:50:29 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:20:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Vivek Khurana wrote: [..] > ?Which mukt ? did you see the latest css on mukt.in ? Kenneth is one of his earlier mails mentioned that FossConf was used for 2 conferences so far. One was last years PyCon. I remember seeing the Mukt.in site sometime last year running FOSSConf but I could be wrong. He'd be the best person to clarify. It was a mostly white theme with angular buttons (rather than the curvy ones we used for pycon). -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shakthimaan at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 17:52:32 2010 From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:22:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Hi, --- On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: | Kenneth is one of his earlier mails mentioned that FossConf was used | for 2 conferences so far. One was last years PyCon. I remember seeing | the Mukt.in site sometime last year running FOSSConf but I could be | wrong. \-- It is at: http://bitbucket.org/shakthimaan/fossconf/ SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com From noufal at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 18:00:46 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:30:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote: [..] > It is at: > > ?http://bitbucket.org/shakthimaan/fossconf/ [..] Okay. So we could just use this. Vivek, I see your name as the designer of the Mukt.in site. If you're handy with CSS, it would be cool if you can stitch in one of the logos from last years logo contest into the site. The list is here http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaLogos (I personally have a preference for no. 9 and it was the runner up as well). Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 07:29:10 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:59:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:16 AM, ?????? wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > >> > >> I suggest keeping 2L for platinum, 1L for Gold and 50K for Silver. > > Right now can I use these numbers to pitch? Do we have any other > suggestions? > Seem fair estimates to me. +1 on this. If you can get Google involved, that would be welcome... > > -- > thanks and regards, > vid || http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 07:33:52 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:03:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:02 PM, ?????? wrote: > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 14:00, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > [.......] > > not very confident about sprints. Of course, we didn't advertise or > > charge up people for that either so maybe... > > http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/2010/04/bugfixing-at-pyohio.html, > since we have a few months to plan and discuss something similar? Any > takers? > I have my doubts on such an effort clicking in India right now. Perhaps for a week-end sprint of already networked Python hackers (like some in this list for example), but for a conference such as this, this might not work out. Indian audience who are attending these confs typically like to listen, take notes and go home to try stuff. In this years edition it would be good if we can get a star pydev contributor to talk about the experience in contributing to Python core. That will set the stage for bug-fixing sprints in a future PyCon. Maybe I am being conservative here, but I prefer taking small sure steps that land well rather than the big leap that could land you astray. > > -- > thanks and regards, > vid || http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The list is here > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaLogos (I personally have a > preference for no. 9 and it was the runner up as well). > > Thanks > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The usual way to do this is to make a fork of his repo (there's a button on the page to do this is you've made an account and logged in). Then you clone from your fork and go about developing it. Finally, you ask Kenneth to pull from your repo. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 08:07:10 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:37:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > I have my doubts on such an effort clicking in India right now. Perhaps > for a week-end sprint of already networked Python hackers (like some in > this list for example), but for a conference such as this, this might not > work out. +1. There's not enough people here who are actively working on Python core for this to really work. I do have a suggestion orthogonal to the conference though. One or two user group meetings ago, we had the idea of doing a sprint. I spent quite a while on distribute at Atlanta and the plan was that I beef up on it some more and we have a bug fixing drive on it. It would be small enough to work and focussed enough to have some tangible benefits. I tripped over real life and this couldn't happen but perhaps next month after Dabeaz's visit, we could plan for something like this and do it. If that works out, we might be able to replicate the environment at the conf. However, I concur with your general view and don't think we should be spending time/energy on organising something like this now. If however Vidya or someone else wants to take the lead and gather people, more power to them! -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kausikram at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 08:12:25 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:42:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > > The usual way to do this is to make a fork of his repo (there's a > button on the page to do this is you've made an account and logged > in). Then you clone from your fork and go about developing it. > Finally, you ask Kenneth to pull from your repo. A few things: while people start showing some CSS love to FossConf i would also request you to show some django love FossConf is currently a single app having around 26 models and innumerable views: a few things that can be done that can really (REALLY) help maintain it would be * remove the volunteer, delegate models etc, and start using django.cotrib.auth.models.User instead if you want to add some more content that User does not handle then please extend User (django models is extendable) * There are currently models for City, State, Nations etc. try to remove them. if needed try to use django.contrib.localflavours.in. (DRY!) * Break down the current app into various apps. some models are event specific, some models are venue specific, some models are logistic specific. it would really be good to break it down. easier to maintain. * Try to make the views RESTful so that the frontend can be decoupled and some nice UI developer can show it some of his grace while we can hack around the backend to our hearts content. i would have really loved to pitch in, but sadly i am held up with work and do not want to commit myself and not deliver. the above points were the first thing that came into my mind when i saw the code. ofcourse implementing it / not is a choice that you guys can take. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From noufal at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 08:22:51 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:52:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:47 AM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: >> ?A few things:[...] > > * oh ye forgot something very important. WRITE TESTS.?[..] Whatever is possible by May 1. I'm sure it (and every other piece of software) can be infinitely improved but this is not FOSSconf devel list. Our interest in it is just to get the site up and running so that we have a face when we go to sponsors and when we advertise. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 08:46:00 2010 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:16:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: <201004221917.49150.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004222007.04760.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Vivek, I see your name as the designer of the Mukt.in site. If you're > handy with CSS, it would be cool if you can stitch in one of the logos > from last years logo contest into the site. The list is here > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaLogos (I personally have a > preference for no. 9 and it was the runner up as well). I can do this but the problem is I wont be able to meet May1 deadline due some family related issues. regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From vid at svaksha.com Mon Apr 26 04:34:46 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:04:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:03, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> >> http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/2010/04/bugfixing-at-pyohio.html, >> since we have a few months to plan and discuss something similar? Any >> takers? > > I have my doubts on such an effort clicking in India right now. Perhaps > for a week-end sprint of already networked Python hackers (like some in > this list for example), but for a conference such as this, this might not > work out. > > Indian audience who are attending these confs typically like to listen, > take notes and go home to try stuff. In this years edition it would be > good if we can get a star pydev contributor to talk about the experience > in contributing to Python core. That will set the stage for bug-fixing > sprints in a future PyCon. Umm...by something similar, I meant sprints on Python projects, not python core itself --given the audience description I too think the latter is a big leap. The idea is to start small, ala, dojorio.org, or even if anyone here is willing to walk beginners through the process of creating say a documentation patch ---not easy, to write good documentation you need to understand how stuff works, hence more learning/deeper knowledge and most Linux projects have established processes which are intimidating for newcomers. So, if we start small on weekends, we may be able to get somewhere in future. On that note, its sad that yesterdays meet was cancelled and I wanted to suggest that instead of waiting till the last minute for a number of people to say +1, just freeze the weekend (say, every sat/sun at 3pm?) and let the (2 or 3?) people who do show up go ahead with their work and tell the list about it. This will reduce the ambiguity over whether there is a meet or not, help stabilise and publicise it in colleges/universities. Thoughts? -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 07:40:13 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:10:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:04 AM, ?????? wrote: [..] > So, if we start small on weekends, we may be able to get somewhere in > future. On that note, its sad that yesterdays meet was cancelled and I > wanted to suggest that instead of waiting till the last minute for a > number of people to say +1, just freeze the weekend (say, every > sat/sun at 3pm?) and let the (2 or 3?) people who do show up go ahead > with their work and tell the list about it. This will reduce the > ambiguity over whether there is a meet or not, help stabilise and > publicise it in colleges/universities. Thoughts?[..] This is not directly relevant to the conference (although it is a good idea) and it's a little off-topic for this thread (which is trying to arrive at an overall plan we can hinge our activities on). I think it's best you start a thread discussing ways of doing this on BangPypers. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Mon Apr 26 07:40:29 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:10:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004261110.29879.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Sunday 25 Apr 2010 11:05:39 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Ok. I am starting off with this. Can someone tell me the best place > to check out the code from ? Is it this link or the previous one sent > by Kenneth ? Which is the more recent....? > more recent than mine -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Mon Apr 26 07:42:05 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:12:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004261112.05660.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Sunday 25 Apr 2010 11:42:25 am kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > * remove the volunteer, delegate models etc, and start using > django.cotrib.auth.models.User instead > if you want to add some more content that User does not handle then please > extend User (django models is extendable) it uses Auth.User > > * There are currently models for City, State, Nations etc. try to remove > them. if needed try to use django.contrib.localflavours.in. (DRY!) these are there but not used > > * Break down the current app into various apps. some models are event > specific, some models are venue specific, some models are logistic > specific. it would really be good to break it down. easier to maintain. > > * Try to make the views RESTful so that the frontend can be decoupled and > some nice UI developer can show it some of his grace while we can hack > around the backend to our hearts content. > > i would have really loved to pitch in, but sadly i am held up with work and > do not want to commit myself and not deliver. the above points were the > first thing that came into my mind when i saw the code. ofcourse > implementing it / not is a choice that you guys can take. > -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Mon Apr 26 07:42:33 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:12:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Setting up the web site for Pycon 2010 {was Website Setup} In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004261112.33733.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Sunday 25 Apr 2010 11:47:35 am kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > > A few things:[...] > > * oh ye forgot something very important. WRITE TESTS. > I think there are or two tests -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 08:05:24 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:35:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator Message-ID: Hello everyone, We're at at a situation where we need to coordinate our sponsorship efforts. Mails have been sent and some leads are there. I'll put whatever I have on the wiki by tonight. There will be different people for handling different accounts (based on city, contacts etc.) but as far as our side is concerned we need a single person to be in charge of the entire effort. The responsibilities will be - Keep track of various sponsorship accounts and be in touch with the person handling the accounts. - Pitch in where negotiations are necessary and make calls on what facilities are provided (while we go there with rigid 'this is what you get for this much' kinds of proposals, there will be negotiations and both parties will have to compromise - you get to decide how much). - You will be the single person mailed by the sponsors if they have queries (like "do we have stalls? what size?" etc.) - You have to keep the sponsors happy (ie. answer their questions and make sure they have what they need). - After the event is over, you need to return their stuff and close any open threads. I must emphasise that no single person can do all this by himself. The main task is to coordinate these efforts amongst other volunteers. Sponsorships are the oxygen on which the conference breathes and all we have is a half empty cylinder left over from last year. This is something extremely important and it's not an exaggeration to say that if this is not handled properly, the conference won't take place. So, if there's anyone out there who wants to make their mark in this years PyCon, now's the time to make yourself heard! Reply to this thread (or to me personally if you prefer) and we'll set things up. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 18:24:54 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:54:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone? Please? This is a vital aspect of the conference. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Hello everyone, > ? We're at at a situation where we need to coordinate our sponsorship > efforts. Mails have been sent and some leads are there. I'll put > whatever I have on the wiki by tonight. > > ? There will be different people for handling different accounts > (based on city, contacts etc.) but as far as our side is concerned we > need a single person to be in charge of the entire effort. > > ? The responsibilities will be > ? ?- Keep track of various sponsorship accounts and be in touch with > the person handling the accounts. > ? ?- Pitch in where negotiations are necessary and make calls on what > facilities are provided (while we go there with rigid 'this is what > you get for this much' kinds of proposals, there will be negotiations > and both parties will have to compromise - you get to decide how > much). > ? ?- You will be the single person mailed by the sponsors if they > have queries (like "do we have stalls? what size?" etc.) > ? ?- You have to keep the sponsors happy (ie. answer their questions > and make sure they have what they need). > ? ?- After the event is over, you need to return their stuff and > close any open threads. > > ? I must emphasise that no single person can do all this by himself. > The main task is to coordinate these efforts amongst other volunteers. > > ? Sponsorships are the oxygen on which the conference breathes and > all we have is a half empty cylinder left over from last year. This is > something extremely important and it's not an exaggeration to say that > if this is not handled properly, the conference won't take place. > > ? So, if there's anyone out there who wants to make their mark in > this years PyCon, now's the time to make yourself heard! Reply to this > thread (or to me personally if you prefer) and we'll set things up. > > Thanks. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kunal.t2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 18:38:02 2010 From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:08:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi noufal, I want to volunteer for PyCon 2010.I have my college during daytime, so will not be able to attend sponsors' calls then.But mailing list co-ordination etc are fine with me. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Anyone? Please? This is a vital aspect of the conference. > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > We're at at a situation where we need to coordinate our sponsorship > > efforts. Mails have been sent and some leads are there. I'll put > > whatever I have on the wiki by tonight. > > > > There will be different people for handling different accounts > > (based on city, contacts etc.) but as far as our side is concerned we > > need a single person to be in charge of the entire effort. > > > > The responsibilities will be > > - Keep track of various sponsorship accounts and be in touch with > > the person handling the accounts. > > - Pitch in where negotiations are necessary and make calls on what > > facilities are provided (while we go there with rigid 'this is what > > you get for this much' kinds of proposals, there will be negotiations > > and both parties will have to compromise - you get to decide how > > much). > > - You will be the single person mailed by the sponsors if they > > have queries (like "do we have stalls? what size?" etc.) > > - You have to keep the sponsors happy (ie. answer their questions > > and make sure they have what they need). > > - After the event is over, you need to return their stuff and > > close any open threads. > > > > I must emphasise that no single person can do all this by himself. > > The main task is to coordinate these efforts amongst other volunteers. > > > > Sponsorships are the oxygen on which the conference breathes and > > all we have is a half empty cylinder left over from last year. This is > > something extremely important and it's not an exaggeration to say that > > if this is not handled properly, the conference won't take place. > > > > So, if there's anyone out there who wants to make their mark in > > this years PyCon, now's the time to make yourself heard! Reply to this > > thread (or to me personally if you prefer) and we'll set things up. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -- > > ~noufal > > http://nibrahim.net.in > > > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" -- "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too !" ----- "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 18:42:47 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:12:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:08 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > Hi noufal, > > I want to volunteer for PyCon 2010.I have my college during daytime, so will > not be able to attend > sponsors' calls then.But mailing list co-ordination etc are fine with me. I don't think you'll have to actually attend sponsor calls etc. You'll have to sort of be on top of the sponsorship situation and coordinate with the rest of the volunteers who do the ground work. Of course, you *might* have to sometimes attend a few calls etc. but the last time, it was mostly manageable. What do you feel? [..] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 06:41:10 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:11:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:08 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > > Hi noufal, > > > > I want to volunteer for PyCon 2010.I have my college during daytime, so > will > > not be able to attend > > sponsors' calls then.But mailing list co-ordination etc are fine with me. > > I don't think you'll have to actually attend sponsor calls etc. > > You'll have to sort of be on top of the sponsorship situation and > coordinate with the rest of the volunteers who do the ground work. > > Of course, you *might* have to sometimes attend a few calls etc. but > the last time, it was mostly manageable. > > What do you feel? > > @Noufal do we have a list of Companies to be approached for sponsorship. 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Any > takers? > what is a sprint? it is when people who are working together on a project get together (either in person or on IRC or on both) for a fixed period of time and work non-stop to finish a fixed target (usually bugs, but could also be features). hence the prerequisite for a sprint is a project with sufficient number of developers with adequate rights to want to work together and feel that f2f will help things. As far as I know the total number of projects with Indian developers who are likely to attend the conference is zero. A sprint can also be held with just two developers who would like the opportunity of a f2f to iron out a whole lot of things. These may possibly take place at the conference, but without fanfare as both those guys will quietly sit in a corner and go about their business. the other type of so-called sprint is where people assemble to write code to order. The miserable failure of fsck.in to produce is an example of what happens in that case. I know a couple of guys who did not write code for months as they were saving up the code to write it at the 'conference'. Whether they actually wrote it is anybody's guess. No, writing code for show or on order is a non-starter. lurking on the django-dev list I have seen sprints being planned for pycon and for djangocon - but they have been planned and executed because at times it is nice to have a f2f to clear up things that get confused on mailing lists and IRC. But these come from need - if anyone *needs* to have a sprint at the conference, it will happen. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 07:47:05 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:17:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:11 AM, JAGANADH G wrote: [..] > @Noufal > do we have a list of Companies to be approached for sponsorship. > And also any contact point information A few. I shall update the wiki later today and send out a mail with the details. the page as of now is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 08:07:02 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:37:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:11 AM, JAGANADH G wrote: > [..] > > @Noufal > > do we have a list of Companies to be approached for sponsorship. > > And also any contact point information > > A few. I shall update the wiki later today and send out a mail with > the details. > the page as of now is > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip > > I dont have any PR experience. Any how I will draft an email for the same will send it you. 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Rather than sending me an email, it would be better if you could put up your email draft on the wiki on a subpage and link to it. I'm assuming you're talking about a "hello" mail for the sponsors. Thanks! -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 08:14:29 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:44:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) Message-ID: Hello everyone, Vijay Bang (CCed on this email) has agreed to be our sponsorship coordinator. I think after fleshing out the list of people we're approaching, we need to settle on the venue and dates. Once that's done, we can officially start the sponsorship drive. Comments? Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 08:32:31 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:02:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Hello everyone, > Vijay Bang (CCed on this email) has agreed to be our sponsorship > coordinator. > > I think after fleshing out the list of people we're approaching, we > need to settle on the venue and dates. Once that's done, we can > officially start the sponsorship drive. > > +1 I am willing to help in this task. what ever may be possible with my time and skill -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 08:39:03 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:09:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:02 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> ?Vijay Bang (CCed on this email) has agreed to be our sponsorship >> coordinator. >> >> ?I think after fleshing out the list of people we're approaching, we >> need to settle on the venue and dates. Once that's done, we can >> officially start the sponsorship drive. >> > > +1 I am willing to help in this task. what ever may be possible with my time > and skill [..] Thank you Jaganadh. I will send out a mail with the plans by tomorrow morning. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 08:45:07 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:15:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:02 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > >> > >> Hello everyone, > >> Vijay Bang (CCed on this email) has agreed to be our sponsorship > >> coordinator. > >> > >> I think after fleshing out the list of people we're approaching, we > >> need to settle on the venue and dates. Once that's done, we can > >> officially start the sponsorship drive. > >> > > > > +1 I am willing to help in this task. what ever may be possible with my > time > > and skill > [..] > > Thank you Jaganadh. 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Do let us know where to start with .I and jaganadh can work together . with regard'svijay --- On Tue, 27/4/10, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: From: Noufal Ibrahim Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) To: "Mailing list for the PyCon India conference" Date: Tuesday, 27 April, 2010, 12:09 PM On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:02 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> ?Vijay Bang (CCed on this email) has agreed to be our sponsorship >> coordinator. >> >> ?I think after fleshing out the list of people we're approaching, we >> need to settle on the venue and dates. Once that's done, we can >> officially start the sponsorship drive. >> > > +1 I am willing to help in this task. what ever may be possible with my time > and skill [..] Thank you Jaganadh. I will send out a mail with the plans by tomorrow morning. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 09:08:43 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:38:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:34 PM, vijay wrote: > > Hi, > ?? Do let us know where to start with .I and jaganadh can work together .[..] Will do. I shall mail today evening/tomorrow morning. Can you guys send me your phone numbers in a personal email? Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 10:08:17 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:38:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] IRC Channel for InPycon Message-ID: Dear All What about creating an IRC Channel for InPycon. If it is there the conference co-ordination will be little bit convenient With regards -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are there any other suggestions? I am going to IIMB this weekend for some personal work. I can inquire there and report back. Can someone contact NIMHANS and ask them about their auditorium? Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 12:34:42 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:04:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Hello everyone, > We were working on the assumption that we could use the IISc. JN > Tata auditorium. > > Apparently, they've increased their rents from 75k a day to 1.65L > a day. This puts them beyond us. > > We need some suggestions for other venues. > > Anand C. suggested IIMB and the NIMHANS auditorium. Are there any > other suggestions? > > I am going to IIMB this weekend for some personal work. I can > inquire there and report back. Can someone contact NIMHANS and ask > them about their auditorium? > Does Viswheshwaraiah Engineering College have a conference hall or lecture halls that can be used ? AFAIK, it is in the middle of the city. Does anyone here have contacts ? We can also try other colleges such as PSG tech in Bangalore. There are a number of them in good locations in the city which can be good venues. Those here who have passed out of engineering colleges in Bangalore or have contacts, please stand up and shout. > > Thanks > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think similar caveats apply to RV college of engineering. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 12:38:01 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:08:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > [..] > > Does Viswheshwaraiah Engineering College have a conference > > hall or lecture halls that can be used ? AFAIK, it is in the middle > > of the city. Does anyone here have contacts ? > > > > We can also try other colleges such as PSG tech in Bangalore. > > There are a number of them in good locations in the city > > which can be good venues. > > > > Those here who have passed out of engineering colleges > > in Bangalore or have contacts, please stand up and shout.[..] > > There was also PESSIT (I think that's the spelling) but it's very far > away from the heart of the city and can really put people off. I think > similar caveats apply to RV college of engineering. > I guess I meant to say PESSIT only, but it came out as PSG tech, which I realise is a college in Coimbatore, not in Bangalore. Or maybe they have a branch here ? :-) > > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Where are all the college goers? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 12:41:56 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:11:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > [..] > > I guess I meant to say PESSIT only, but it came out as PSG tech, > > which I realise is a college in Coimbatore, not in Bangalore. > > Or maybe they have a branch here ? :-) > > Ah. I was wondering. :) > > PSG Tech is in Coimbatore. No idea if they're in Bangalore. > > But seriously, you and I didn't study here. Where are all the college > goers? > Suggestion: X-post to BangPypers, which clearly has greater student participation. > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ardsrk at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 12:42:30 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:12:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Can someone contact NIMHANS and ask > them about their auditorium? > Last year's FOSS.in was held at NIMHANS convention centre. Is it the same place you are talking about? -- Arvind -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In case you all are okay with the 'location inconvenience', I can talk to the college administration. -- Elvis Joel D'Souza Mangalore/Bangalore, India On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit > wrote: > [..] > > Last year's FOSS.in was held at NIMHANS convention centre. Is it the same > > place you are > > talking about?[..] > > Yup. The same one. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 14:02:47 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:32:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Elvis Joel D'Souza wrote: > I study at PESIT. It sure is away from the heart of the city. (BSK III > Stage) > And even farther from the airport... > > In case you all are okay with the 'location inconvenience', I can talk to > the college administration.[..] I think you can start a conversation. Don't confirm anything. If something else else works out, I think it'd be better. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 19:02:54 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:32:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:34 PM, vijay wrote: >> >> Hi, >> ?? Do let us know where to start with .I and jaganadh can work together .[..] > > Will do. I shall mail today evening/tomorrow morning. Can you guys > send me your phone numbers in a personal email?[..] Okay. I've updated the sponsorship page (http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip) with the names of the companies from the thread on sponsorships. This should serve as a starting point. Let's finalise on the benefits the sponsors get so that we can start making phone calls and stuff. The details are on http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip Do you all think the tiers and benefits are reasonable? Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 19:04:41 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:34:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Bank account Message-ID: Hello Kenneth, By when do you think we can have the bank account? We'll need it when we start looking for sponsors. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 19:11:57 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:41:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > Okay. I've updated the sponsorship page > (http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip) with the > names of the companies from the thread on sponsorships. This should > serve as a starting point. [..] > i would suggest we get rid of the ranges (as in 25k - 50k) would rather we put a hard number to it easier to work with. also suggest we slightly hike platinum to 1.5 lakhs or dare i even say 2 lakhs. there is usually only 1 platinum sponsor. two golds and 2 to 4 silver sponsors. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 19:25:26 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:55:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:41 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: >> Okay. I've updated the sponsorship page >> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip) with the >> names of the companies from the thread on sponsorships. This should >> serve as a starting point. [..] > > i would suggest we get rid of the ranges (as in 25k - 50k) would rather we > put a hard number to it easier to work with. also suggest we slightly hike > platinum to 1.5 lakhs or dare i even say 2 lakhs. ?there is usually only 1 > platinum sponsor. two golds and 2 to 4 silver sponsors. Fair enough. My idea was that we'll put only a single amount in the actual sponsorship brochure but allow a little leeway for some sponsors. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 20:00:09 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:30:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:41 PM, kausikram krishnasayee > wrote: > >> Okay. I've updated the sponsorship page > >> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip) with the > >> names of the companies from the thread on sponsorships. This should > >> serve as a starting point. [..] > > > > i would suggest we get rid of the ranges (as in 25k - 50k) would rather > we > > put a hard number to it easier to work with. also suggest we slightly > hike > > platinum to 1.5 lakhs or dare i even say 2 lakhs. there is usually only > 1 > > platinum sponsor. two golds and 2 to 4 silver sponsors. > > > Which adress we can use for contact Apress The adress which I got from their site is Business Address Apress, Inc. 233 Spring Street New York, NY 10013 (Google Map ) *Business Hours*: 9AM - 5PM Eastern Time *Phone*: +1 (212) 460-1500 *Fax*: +1 (212) 460-1575 Marketing Manager - Leonardo Cuellar, lcuellar at apress.com Public Relations Please send all PR inquiries to pr at apress.com<%70%72@%61%70%72%65%73%73.%63%6f%6d> Jaggu -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 20:21:47 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:51:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:30 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: [..] > Which adress we can use for contact Apress > The adress which I got from their site is[..] Let's finalise the tiers and get our act together before we start contacting them. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 28 01:56:23 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 05:26:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004280526.24094.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 27 Apr 2010 5:32:47 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I study at PESIT. It sure is away from the heart of the city. (BSK III > > Stage) > > And even farther from the airport... > > > > In case you all are okay with the 'location inconvenience', I can talk to > > the college administration.[..] > > I think you can start a conversation. Don't confirm anything. If > something else else works out, I think it'd be better. > try Christ University - contact Vikram Vincent -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From vid at svaksha.com Wed Apr 28 05:22:03 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:52:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: <201004261730.02635.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004261730.02635.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 17:30, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > what is a sprint? it is when people who are working together on a project get > together (either in person or on IRC or on both) for a fixed period of time and > work non-stop to finish a fixed target (usually bugs, but could also be > features). Afaik, in Python, it can also be documentation, translation, writing test cases, etc... I saw atleast two of those occuring at the atlanta sprints with core devs taking the time out to sit down with newcomers who wanted to contribute., discuss and help them learn the ropes. > hence the prerequisite for a sprint is a project with sufficient number of > developers with adequate rights to want to work together and feel that f2f > will help things. As far as I know the total number of projects with Indian > developers who are likely to attend the conference is zero. I agree which is why I suggested that the local bangpypers monthly meetups be turned into something similar to dojorio --the brazilians have been very successful in encouraging a lot of newbies who over time have become contributors to python (and probably other projects too). However, instead of seeing the spirit behind the suggestions and taking the idea forward folks are busy nitpicking about it not being a separate thread or wrong list and other irrelevant things. That is demotivating, for me personally, because I find its easier to collaborate and contribute online with people who are thousands of miles away than arguing about silly things on local lists. Time-drain. > the other type of so-called sprint is where people assemble to write code to > order. The miserable failure of fsck.in to produce is an example of what > happens in that case. I know a couple of guys who did not write code for > months as they were saving up the code to write it at the 'conference'. > Whether they actually wrote it is anybody's guess. No, writing code for show > or on order is a non-starter. Amen. > > lurking on the django-dev list I have seen sprints being planned for pycon and > for djangocon - but they have been planned and executed because at times it is > nice to have a f2f to clear up things that get confused on mailing lists and Yup, and its also heartening to see the patience and humility that these folks have with beginners. In my eyes, they have achieved a **lot** and yet they are firmly rooted to the ground. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 06:13:43 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:43:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:30 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:41 PM, kausikram krishnasayee >> wrote: >> >> Okay. I've updated the sponsorship page >> >> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/SponsorShip) with the >> >> names of the companies from the thread on sponsorships. This should >> >> serve as a starting point. [..] >> > >> > i would suggest we get rid of the ranges (as in 25k - 50k) would rather >> we >> > put a hard number to it easier to work with. also suggest we slightly >> hike >> > platinum to 1.5 lakhs or dare i even say 2 lakhs. there is usually only >> 1 >> > platinum sponsor. two golds and 2 to 4 silver sponsors. >> >> >> > Which adress we can use for contact Apress > The adress which I got from their site is > Business Address > > Apress, Inc. > 233 Spring Street > New York, NY 10013 (Google Map ) > > *Business Hours*: 9AM - 5PM Eastern Time > *Phone*: +1 (212) 460-1500 > *Fax*: +1 (212) 460-1575 > Marketing Manager > > - Leonardo Cuellar, lcuellar at apress.com > > Public Relations > > Please send all PR inquiries to pr at apress.com<%70%72@%61%70%72%65%73%73.%63%6f%6d> > You should try and contact the Indian addresses preferably, if any. Btw, I couldn't find anything for Apress, so it is ok if you contact the worldwide address I think. Regarding Packt, I can take care of it. I am going to sign a book contract with them so have made contacts there during the past one month. I guess they will be more amenable when talking to someone who they are already familiar with. > Jaggu > > > -- > ********************************** > JAGANADH G > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sree at mahiti.org Wed Apr 28 07:02:22 2010 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:32:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi, FSMK held their event in Central college / Bangalore university auditorium complex very close to Majestic Bus stand. Would be good to check with them. Also, if we phrase the event like "Python India Society in association with Dept of CSC, Bangalore University conducts PyCON 2010", we may get substantial discount. Does anyone here know FSMK guys? - sree On 27 April 2010 16:11, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai >> wrote: >> [..] >> > I guess I meant to say PESSIT only, but it came out as PSG tech, >> > which I realise is a college in Coimbatore, not in Bangalore. >> > Or maybe they have a branch here ? :-) >> >> Ah. I was wondering. :) >> >> PSG Tech is in Coimbatore. No idea if they're in Bangalore. >> >> But seriously, you and I didn't study here. 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URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 08:35:58 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:05:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > You should try and contact the Indian addresses preferably, > if any. Btw, I couldn't find anything for Apress, so it is ok > if you contact the worldwide address I think. > > Regarding Packt, I can take care of it. I am going to sign > a book contract with them so have made contacts there > during the past one month. I guess they will be more > amenable when talking to someone who they are already > familiar with.[..] Cool. I'll put your name next to Packt on the site. OT. What's the subject/title of your book? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 08:53:01 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:23:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship coordinator (Was: Re: Volunteer needed! - Sponsorship coordinator) In-Reply-To: References: <272074.6935.qm@web95309.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > [..] > > You should try and contact the Indian addresses preferably, > > if any. Btw, I couldn't find anything for Apress, so it is ok > > if you contact the worldwide address I think. > > > > Regarding Packt, I can take care of it. I am going to sign > > a book contract with them so have made contacts there > > during the past one month. I guess they will be more > > amenable when talking to someone who they are already > > familiar with.[..] > > Cool. I'll put your name next to Packt on the site. > > Good. I will send an email to my editor and find out more information tomorrow. > OT. What's the subject/title of your book? > > I might be doing a disservice to myself and the publisher if I discuss that in a public mailing list :). Anyway, it is a book on Python, I cannot divulge more details right now. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All the best with it. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 09:08:38 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:38:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What does everyone feel about September 25/26 for the event? We need to decide the dates before going to the venues/sponsors. The dates give us enough time and they're clear of festivals. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 09:36:45 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:06:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] IRC channel/meeting Message-ID: I've created and registered an IRC channel on irc.freenode.net. The channel is #inpycon. Shall we have a meeting on Friday evening? 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We'll need it > when we start looking for sponsors. > > Thanks. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 15:39:22 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:09:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > What does everyone feel about September 25/26 for the event? We need > to decide the dates before going to the venues/sponsors. > The dates give us enough time and they're clear of festivals. NO replies? Come on people! There must be someone who atleast has an opinion about this. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From sree at mahiti.org Wed Apr 28 15:44:54 2010 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:14:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28 April 2010 19:09, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > What does everyone feel about September 25/26 for the event? We need > > to decide the dates before going to the venues/sponsors. > > The dates give us enough time and they're clear of festivals. > +1 If anyone has issues with this date they should comment. These dates give us enough time to plan and prepare for the event. - sree -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From anandology at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 16:01:03 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:31:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/4/28 Noufal Ibrahim : > What does everyone feel about September 25/26 for the event? We need > to decide the dates before going to the venues/sponsors. > The dates give us enough time and they're clear of festivals. +1 Anand From orsenthil at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 16:07:54 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:37:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100428140754.GB2016@remy> > 2010/4/28 Noufal Ibrahim : > > What does everyone feel about September 25/26 for the event? We need > > to decide the dates before going to the venues/sponsors. > > The dates give us enough time and they're clear of festivals. > +1 Now, if one is very thoughtful does anyone see that it comes over a long weekend that people might wish to go to their hometowns etc? -- Senthil Unprovided with original learning, unformed in the habits of thinking, unskilled in the arts of composition, I resolved to write a book. -- Edward Gibbon From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 18:28:45 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:58:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: <20100428140754.GB2016@remy> References: <20100428140754.GB2016@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: >> 2010/4/28 Noufal Ibrahim : >> > What does everyone feel about September 25/26 for the event? We need >> > to decide the dates before going to the venues/sponsors. >> > The dates give us enough time and they're clear of festivals. >> > > +1 > > Now, if one is very thoughtful does anyone see that it comes over a > long weekend that people might wish to go to their hometowns etc? >[..] This *could* be an issue. Should we shift it? If there's enough notice, people might be willing to stick back though. I mean, this is a once in a year event. :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 29 03:42:54 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:12:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004261730.02635.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004290712.55143.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 28 Apr 2010 8:52:03 am ?????? wrote: > > what is a sprint? it is when people who are working together on a project > > get together (either in person or on IRC or on both) for a fixed period > > of time and work non-stop to finish a fixed target (usually bugs, but > > could also be features). > > Afaik, in Python, it can also be documentation, translation, writing > test cases, etc... I saw atleast two of those occuring at the atlanta > sprints with core devs taking the time out to sit down with newcomers > who wanted to contribute., discuss and help them learn the ropes. > sure - but where are the core devs in India? Afaik there are only about 3-4 internationally known projects by local people, but with all respect to Anand b, Anand c and Prabhu, there are not all that many people who have come forward to perform these tasks for those projects. The point I am making is that there is not enough traction for any project in India for a sprint. I remember organising a sprint for tamil translation for django strings and one for OSM to rectify the Mumbai map, but cannot see anything on the horizon. > > hence the prerequisite for a sprint is a project with sufficient number > > of developers with adequate rights to want to work together and feel that > > f2f will help things. As far as I know the total number of projects with > > Indian developers who are likely to attend the conference is zero. > > I agree which is why I suggested that the local bangpypers monthly > meetups be turned into something similar to dojorio --the brazilians > have been very successful in encouraging a lot of newbies who over > time have become contributors to python (and probably other projects > too). However, instead of seeing the spirit behind the suggestions and > taking the idea forward folks are busy nitpicking about it not being a > separate thread or wrong list and other irrelevant things. That is > demotivating, for me personally, because I find its easier to > collaborate and contribute online with people who are thousands of > miles away than arguing about silly things on local lists. Time-drain. well, evangelism vs discussion is a thing that each group has to decide on. I fully agree now with Noufal that the conference should not spend time teaching python to raw newbies. This is an on-going thing that all of us can do in our spare time. I have conducted 5 workshops recently in various colleges, govt and industry. And in all of them have made sure to have at least one session on introducing python regardless of whether the organisers want it or not. The fossee folk are criss crossing the country doing the same thing. And if anyone here is interested, I can easily arrange audiences of half day/one day sessions for newbies in most places in India. (contact me offlist). This being the context, I see no reason why bangpypers meets should cater to newbies. They find it difficult enough to meet, let alone using up precious time on something not of interest to them. One thing that I have been repeatedly emphasising is that this conference, and bangpypers for that matter, is *not* foss or oss - it is language oriented. So bringing in foss/oss yardsticks to measure this is not appropriate. Things like mutual help, contribution back, which are taken for granted in the foss/oss world are not necessarily available here. So the reason for your demotivation is simply that you are looking for things in the wrong place. And I *did* notice a couple of people trying to help a newbie with virtualenv even though she was a mere 3-400 kilometers away. And I have yet to see any query on bangpypers go unanswered. > > > the other type of so-called sprint is where people assemble to write code > > to order. The miserable failure of fsck.in to produce is an example of > > what happens in that case. I know a couple of guys who did not write code > > for months as they were saving up the code to write it at the > > 'conference'. Whether they actually wrote it is anybody's guess. No, > > writing code for show or on order is a non-starter. > > Amen. > > > lurking on the django-dev list I have seen sprints being planned for > > pycon and for djangocon - but they have been planned and executed because > > at times it is nice to have a f2f to clear up things that get confused on > > mailing lists and > > Yup, and its also heartening to see the patience and humility that > these folks have with beginners. In my eyes, they have achieved a > **lot** and yet they are firmly rooted to the ground. are you talking about the patience and humility of the django core devs??? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 07:45:56 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:15:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > What does everyone feel about September 25/26 for the event? +1. I see no problem with the dates. -- Arvind -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IF this is fine with everyone, I'll post this on the wiki and "make it official". -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 29 09:39:58 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:09:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: <201004290712.55143.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004261730.02635.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004290712.55143.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:12, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > sure - but where are the core devs in India? Afaik there are only about 3-4 > internationally known projects by local people, but with all respect to Anand > b, Anand c and Prabhu, there are not all that many people who have come > forward to perform these tasks for those projects. The point I am making is > that there is not enough traction for any project in India for a sprint. Yes, for that we do need to have built up a base. The beginnings are always small but its a start nevertheless. I would not discount the efforts put in though. > fully agree now with Noufal that the conference should not spend time teaching > python to raw newbies. This is an on-going thing that all of us can do in our > spare time. I have conducted 5 workshops recently in various colleges, govt > and industry. And in all of them have made sure to have at least one session > on introducing python regardless of whether the organisers want it or not. The > fossee folk are criss crossing the country doing the same thing. And if anyone > here is interested, I can easily arrange audiences of half day/one day > sessions for newbies in most places in India. (contact me offlist). This being > the context, I see no reason why bangpypers meets should cater to newbies. > They find it difficult enough to meet, let alone using up precious time on > something not of interest to them. One thing that I have been repeatedly > emphasising is that this conference, and bangpypers for that matter, is *not* > foss or oss - it is language oriented. So bringing in foss/oss yardsticks to > measure this is not appropriate. Things like mutual help, contribution back, > which are taken for granted in the foss/oss world are not necessarily Gee, you are mixing things up. I agree with the statement "Python as a language is not floss per se"--Its used to create a variety of closed, open, free, and non-free applications and those apps are probably licensed as per the whims and fancies of their creators. Keeping the INpycon conference "open to each of the above (free/non-free, whatever)" and "translating django into Tamil" are not exclusively disjunct especially IF the latter is the superset. >> Yup, and its also heartening to see the patience and humility that >> these folks have with beginners. In my eyes, they have achieved a >> **lot** and yet they are firmly rooted to the ground. > > are you talking about the patience and humility of the django core devs??? Well, python != just django, albeit its the most famous and well-documented framework around...a general observation about different dev's at the sprints. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 09:41:13 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:11:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004261730.02635.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <201004290712.55143.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: This is getting quite OT for a thread discussing the schedule. Might I suggest that you move it to BangPypers? On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:09 PM, ?????? wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:12, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> sure - but where are the core devs in India? Afaik there are only about 3-4 >> internationally known projects by local people, but with all respect to Anand >> b, Anand c and Prabhu, there are not all that many people who have come >> forward to perform these tasks for those projects. The point I am making is >> that there is not enough traction for any project in India for a sprint. > > Yes, for that we do need to have built up a base. The beginnings are > always small but its a start nevertheless. I would not discount the > efforts put in though. > > >> fully agree now with Noufal that the conference should not spend time teaching >> python to raw newbies. This is an on-going thing that all of us can do in our >> spare time. I have conducted 5 workshops recently in various colleges, govt >> and industry. And in all of them have made sure to have at least one session >> on introducing python regardless of whether the organisers want it or not. The >> fossee folk are criss crossing the country doing the same thing. And if anyone >> here is interested, I can easily arrange audiences of half day/one day >> sessions for newbies in most places in India. (contact me offlist). This being >> the context, I see no reason why bangpypers meets should cater to newbies. >> They find it difficult enough to meet, let alone using up precious time on >> something not of interest to them. One thing that I have been repeatedly >> emphasising is that this conference, and bangpypers for that matter, is *not* >> foss or oss - it is language oriented. So bringing in foss/oss yardsticks to >> measure this is not appropriate. Things like mutual help, contribution back, >> which are taken for granted in the foss/oss world are not necessarily > > Gee, you are mixing things up. I agree with the statement "Python as a > language is not floss per se"--Its used to create a variety of closed, > open, free, and non-free applications and those apps are probably > licensed as per the whims and fancies of their creators. Keeping the > INpycon conference "open to each of the above (free/non-free, > whatever)" and "translating django into Tamil" are not exclusively > disjunct especially IF the latter is the superset. > > >>> Yup, and its also heartening to see the patience and humility that >>> these folks have with beginners. In my eyes, they have achieved a >>> **lot** and yet they are firmly rooted to the ground. >> >> are you talking about the patience and humility of the django core devs??? > > Well, python != just django, albeit its the most famous and > well-documented framework around...a general observation about > different dev's at the sprints. > > -- > thanks and regards, > vid || http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 29 10:39:47 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:09:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004291409.47808.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 29 Apr 2010 1:11:13 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > This is getting quite OT for a thread discussing the schedule. Might I > suggest that you move it to BangPypers? > highly OT - the only two points of relevance to the schedule is that 1. this is a conference for python people (regardless of level) and not to introduce people to python and 2. this is a language conference, not a foss/oss conference. (last time we had the word 'floss' in the conference invitation -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 29 11:48:19 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:18:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: <201004291409.47808.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004291409.47808.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <201004291518.19587.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 29 Apr 2010 2:09:47 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 29 Apr 2010 1:11:13 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > This is getting quite OT for a thread discussing the schedule. Might I > > suggest that you move it to BangPypers? > > > > highly OT - the only two points of relevance to the schedule is that > > 1. this is a conference for python people (regardless of level) and not to > introduce people to python > > and > > 2. this is a language conference, not a foss/oss conference. (last time we > had the word 'floss' in the conference invitation > oh, and I forgot to add: 3. the conference should have space for sprints if any, but the organisers are not expected to organise sprints - if there is traction in any field, sprints will/may happen and it should be made clear to the participants that the organisers will help out on request with facilities for the same. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 29 11:51:22 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:21:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 28 Apr 2010 12:38:38 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > What does everyone feel about September 25/26 for the event? We need > to decide the dates before going to the venues/sponsors. > The dates give us enough time and they're clear of festivals. > this implies a 2 day event. If we are scaling up, why not a 3 day event this time? and what about the society AGM? we could fit that in on the afternoon of the 2nd day regardless of whether the event is two days and three days. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 12:50:28 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:20:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [..] > this implies a 2 day event. If we are scaling up, why not a 3 day event this > time? and what about the society AGM? we could fit that in on the afternoon of > the 2nd day regardless of whether the event is two days and three days. We can fit in the AGM anytime during the event. I think we can fix a time for that after we get the conference times ready. A 3 day event will increase our expenditure (one more day of food for a fraction of the delegates, one more day of room rent). Also, it might require people to take days off. What's the general feeling? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From santhosh.divakar at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 12:56:53 2010 From: santhosh.divakar at gmail.com (Santhosh Divakar) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:26:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: A two day conference is much better IMHO Some folks may not have the holiday too!. -Thanks Santhosh On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > [..] > > this implies a 2 day event. If we are scaling up, why not a 3 day event > this > > time? and what about the society AGM? we could fit that in on the > afternoon of > > the 2nd day regardless of whether the event is two days and three days. > > We can fit in the AGM anytime during the event. I think we can fix a > time for that after we get the conference times ready. > > A 3 day event will increase our expenditure (one more day of food for > a fraction of the delegates, one more day of room rent). Also, it > might require people to take days off. > > What's the general feeling? > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think we can fix a >> time for that after we get the conference times ready. >> >> A 3 day event will increase our expenditure (one more day of food for >> a fraction of the delegates, one more day of room rent). Also, it >> might require people to take days off. >> >> What's the general feeling? >> >> >> >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 29 13:16:15 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:46:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004291646.15710.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 29 Apr 2010 4:26:53 pm Santhosh Divakar wrote: > A two day conference is much better IMHO > Some folks may not have the holiday too!. > implies expecting a pretty low level of commitment from intended participants -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 14:53:27 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:23:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: <201004291646.15710.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004291646.15710.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thursday 29 Apr 2010 4:26:53 pm Santhosh Divakar wrote: >> A two day conference is much better IMHO >> Some folks may not have the holiday too!. >> > > implies expecting a pretty low level of commitment from intended participants[..] Quite possibly. We could keep something more 'unconferency' on the 3rd day (which is usually interesting only to serious people). BOFHs was one idea but I'm not sure how many people will be there (for reasons discussed earlier). -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 15:20:13 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:50:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > A 3 day event will increase our expenditure (one more day of food for > a fraction of the delegates, one more day of room rent). Also, it > might require people to take days off. > > What's the general feeling? > I vote for a 3-day event. Having a 3-day event makes a a strong statement to people and organizations involved in Python. Look at Foss.in. Its a 5 day event held on weekdays! -- Arvind -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sree at mahiti.org Thu Apr 29 15:52:31 2010 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:22:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On 29 April 2010 18:50, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> A 3 day event will increase our expenditure (one more day of food for >> a fraction of the delegates, one more day of room rent). Also, it >> might require people to take days off. >> >> What's the general feeling? >> > > I vote for a 3-day event. Having a 3-day event makes a > a strong statement to people and organizations involved in Python. > > Look at Foss.in. Its a 5 day event held on weekdays! > Lets stick to 2-day event. A good/ well organised two day event is more impactfull. If we concentrate on getting the best people to talk, as many community members to come and attend, then that will create good impact and set the right tone for years to come. - sree > > -- > Arvind > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. # 33-34, 2nd Floor, Hennur Cross, Hennur Road, Bangalore, India - 560043 Phone: +91 80 4115 0580/1 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 17:02:23 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:32:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > Lets stick to 2-day event. A good/ well organised two day event is more > impactfull. If we concentrate on getting the best people to talk, as many > community members to come and attend, then that will create good impact and > set the right tone for years to come. +1 Anand From kausikram at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 17:08:16 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:38:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > Lets stick to 2-day event. A good/ well organised two day event is more > > impactfull. If we concentrate on getting the best people to talk, as many > > community members to come and attend, then that will create good impact > and > > set the right tone for years to come. > +1 -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 29 17:04:46 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:34:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004292034.46377.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 29 Apr 2010 6:50:13 pm Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > Look at Foss.in. Its a 5 day event held on weekdays! > please, please do not compare us with those jerks -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 18:26:00 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:56:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: I think the general consensus is for two days. We'll keep/announce/advertise it like that. If we end up with more money and get a little ambitious later on, we can extend it. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 18:48:04 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:18:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: 2010/4/29 Noufal Ibrahim : > I think the general consensus is for two days. We'll > keep/announce/advertise it like that. If we end up with more money and > get a little ambitious later on, we can extend it. I think it is more about participation and less about money. It will be tough to get enough good talks/topics if we increase the duration. Anand From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 18:51:40 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:21:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > 2010/4/29 Noufal Ibrahim : >> I think the general consensus is for two days. We'll >> keep/announce/advertise it like that. If we end up with more money and >> get a little ambitious later on, we can extend it. > > I think it is more about participation and less about money. It will > be tough to get enough good talks/topics if we increase the duration. Perhaps make the extra day a "sprint/BOFH exclusive"? Let's stick with 2 days then. If any of us has second thoughts later, we can pick it up again then. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 18:56:46 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:26:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: 2010/4/29 Noufal Ibrahim : > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> 2010/4/29 Noufal Ibrahim : >>> I think the general consensus is for two days. We'll >>> keep/announce/advertise it like that. If we end up with more money and >>> get a little ambitious later on, we can extend it. >> >> I think it is more about participation and less about money. It will >> be tough to get enough good talks/topics if we increase the duration. > > Perhaps make the extra day a "sprint/BOFH exclusive"? Let's stick with > 2 days then. If any of us has second thoughts later, we can pick it up > again then. How about continuing the same pattern as last year. One and half day conference and half a day for informal BoFs/sprints? Anand From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 19:08:54 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:38:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: [..] > How about continuing the same pattern as last year. One and half day > conference and half a day for informal BoFs/sprints?[..] Depends on the number of *good* proposals we get. Also this year, we need to be more careful with the lightning talks. There was one talk last year that took 30 minutes. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From orsenthil at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 19:58:33 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:28:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <20100429175833.GA3916@remy> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:26:46PM +0530, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > How about continuing the same pattern as last year. One and half day > conference and half a day for informal BoFs/sprints? > I am reading the list in rather a sporadic manner. But I would like to go along with Anand's comment here. Just doing something similar as last year with little bit more control and fun. Too much to do may not be a good idea. Fun rather than ambition might be a good motive. -- Senthil Do you think that when they asked George Washington for ID that he just whipped out a quarter? -- Steven Wright From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 21:01:22 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 00:31:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: <201004291521.22416.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > 2010/4/29 Noufal Ibrahim : > >> I think the general consensus is for two days. We'll > >> keep/announce/advertise it like that. If we end up with more money and > >> get a little ambitious later on, we can extend it. > > > > I think it is more about participation and less about money. It will > > be tough to get enough good talks/topics if we increase the duration. > > Perhaps make the extra day a "sprint/BOFH exclusive"? Let's stick with > 2 days then. If any of us has second thoughts later, we can pick it up > again then. > +1. I agree to a 2 day event in principle, but this is a great suggestion. Let us keep a 3rd day open with wifi support etc for coders. If we get enough responses, we will go ahead, else wrap up on the 2nd day itself. > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 04:59:28 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:29:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 25 and 26 September then. We should have the venue confirmed by Monday. Then, we need to get the bank account ready and can start looking for sponsors. On 4/30/10, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Anand Chitipothu >> wrote: >> > 2010/4/29 Noufal Ibrahim : >> >> I think the general consensus is for two days. We'll >> >> keep/announce/advertise it like that. If we end up with more money and >> >> get a little ambitious later on, we can extend it. >> > >> > I think it is more about participation and less about money. It will >> > be tough to get enough good talks/topics if we increase the duration. >> >> Perhaps make the extra day a "sprint/BOFH exclusive"? Let's stick with >> 2 days then. If any of us has second thoughts later, we can pick it up >> again then. >> > > +1. I agree to a 2 day event in principle, but this is a great suggestion. > Let us keep a 3rd day open with wifi support etc for coders. If we > get enough responses, we will go ahead, else wrap up on the 2nd > day itself. > > >> >> >> >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Fri Apr 30 12:15:58 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:45:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] First cut of grand schedule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004301545.59065.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 29 Apr 2010 10:26:46 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote: > How about continuing the same pattern as last year. One and half day > conference and half a day for informal BoFs/sprints? > AGM? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 20:25:40 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:55:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] IRC channel/meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:16 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> I've created and registered an IRC ?channel on irc.freenode.net. >> >> The channel is #inpycon. >> >> Shall we have a meeting on Friday evening? Say around 2130? >> > +1 . If my data card doesnot creates any trouble:-) This completely slipped my mind. Lets try to fix the venue by Monday and have this sometime next week. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in