From tjreedy at udel.edu  Sun Oct  1 13:40:59 2017
From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 13:40:59 -0400
Subject: [Idle-dev] Source code of IDLE
In-Reply-To: <258671506779447@web59g.yandex.ru>
References: <258671506779447@web59g.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <15d45a08-5638-ffe2-f14d-259037b1fea4@udel.edu>

On 9/30/2017 9:50 AM, ????????? wrote:
> Tell me, please, can I use some of the IDLE source code in my program?

The official answer is "Read the license", in particular, the PYTHON 
SOFTWARE FOUNDATION LICENSE VERSION 2.  You can access it on the online 
docs or by entering 'license()' at a >>> prompt or in IDLE, Help => 
About IDLE => License.  In general, the license is generous in giving 
permissions, so long as one gives credit and takes responsibility for 
the result.

I do not know the legal definition of 'derivative work' as used in the 
license, and you did not say how much is 'some'.  If you use all or most 
of a module, include the the copyright notice of clause 2 and the 'brief 
summary of changes' of clause 3.

If you want to reply, either subscribe to the list or use the 
news.gmane.org mirror.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy


From ether.joe at gmail.com  Sun Oct  1 20:06:48 2017
From: ether.joe at gmail.com (Sean Felipe Wolfe)
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 17:06:48 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] Source code of IDLE
In-Reply-To: <15d45a08-5638-ffe2-f14d-259037b1fea4@udel.edu>
References: <258671506779447@web59g.yandex.ru>
 <15d45a08-5638-ffe2-f14d-259037b1fea4@udel.edu>
Message-ID: <CAOFf2a2phjFgYJfBF9Wo4fwG_-JjMAQ8LhDnKKSavh_fV=0bUA@mail.gmail.com>

That depends. Are you building a space rocket to another planet??! That
would be awesome. :)


On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote:

> On 9/30/2017 9:50 AM, ????????? wrote:
>
>> Tell me, please, can I use some of the IDLE source code in my program?
>>
>
> The official answer is "Read the license", in particular, the PYTHON
> SOFTWARE FOUNDATION LICENSE VERSION 2.  You can access it on the online
> docs or by entering 'license()' at a >>> prompt or in IDLE, Help => About
> IDLE => License.  In general, the license is generous in giving
> permissions, so long as one gives credit and takes responsibility for the
> result.
>
> I do not know the legal definition of 'derivative work' as used in the
> license, and you did not say how much is 'some'.  If you use all or most of
> a module, include the the copyright notice of clause 2 and the 'brief
> summary of changes' of clause 3.
>
> If you want to reply, either subscribe to the list or use the
> news.gmane.org mirror.
>
> --
> Terry Jan Reedy
>
> _______________________________________________
> IDLE-dev mailing list
> IDLE-dev at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev
>



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From ether.joe at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 11:45:51 2017
From: ether.joe at gmail.com (Sean Felipe Wolfe)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 08:45:51 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] Source code of IDLE
In-Reply-To: <115981506942342@web13o.yandex.ru>
References: <258671506779447@web59g.yandex.ru>
 <15d45a08-5638-ffe2-f14d-259037b1fea4@udel.edu>
 <CAOFf2a2phjFgYJfBF9Wo4fwG_-JjMAQ8LhDnKKSavh_fV=0bUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <115981506942342@web13o.yandex.ru>
Message-ID: <CAOFf2a3DqO1ZS4DWJ9zR77o9-q8DJobkg9VqZ0Xjwi2HeJenKg@mail.gmail.com>

Generally speaking open-source means you can use the code. You have to be
careful a) if you want to sell your product and b) an opensource license
may require you to give credit.

If you are interested in development on IDLE or the Python language in
general, you might also check out the mentor mailing list at
https://www.python.org/dev/core-mentorship/

Nice screenshot! Keep pressing on!



On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 4:05 AM, ????????? <kalumb1 at yandex.ru> wrote:

> I need a code editor with syntax highlighting and with the other buns that
> are in IDLE. I do not need an interpreter, only an editor is needed.
> The essence of the program: the user enters the code, the program executes
> it and displays the result.
> Therefore, I appealed to you, as the official developers of IDLE. Can I
> use your code in my project? I can specify any information about the IDLE
> authors. What exactly is required?
> The license seems to allow me to use the code, but I'm not sure.
> Screenshot of the program in the attachment.
>
>
> 02.10.2017, 07:06, "Sean Felipe Wolfe" <ether.joe at gmail.com>:
>
> That depends. Are you building a space rocket to another planet??! That
> would be awesome. :)
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote:
>
> On 9/30/2017 9:50 AM, ????????? wrote:
>
> Tell me, please, can I use some of the IDLE source code in my program?
>
>
> The official answer is "Read the license", in particular, the PYTHON
> SOFTWARE FOUNDATION LICENSE VERSION 2.  You can access it on the online
> docs or by entering 'license()' at a >>> prompt or in IDLE, Help => About
> IDLE => License.  In general, the license is generous in giving
> permissions, so long as one gives credit and takes responsibility for the
> result.
>
> I do not know the legal definition of 'derivative work' as used in the
> license, and you did not say how much is 'some'.  If you use all or most of
> a module, include the the copyright notice of clause 2 and the 'brief
> summary of changes' of clause 3.
>
> If you want to reply, either subscribe to the list or use the
> news.gmane.org mirror.
>
> --
> Terry Jan Reedy
>
> _______________________________________________
> IDLE-dev mailing list
> IDLE-dev at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev
>
>
>
>
> --
> A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he
> is to be ultimately at peace with himself.
> - Abraham Maslow
>
>


-- 
A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he
is to be ultimately at peace with himself.
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From ether.joe at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 12:23:04 2017
From: ether.joe at gmail.com (Sean Felipe Wolfe)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 09:23:04 -0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] Source code of IDLE
In-Reply-To: <772721506961064@web36g.yandex.ru>
References: <258671506779447@web59g.yandex.ru>
 <15d45a08-5638-ffe2-f14d-259037b1fea4@udel.edu>
 <CAOFf2a2phjFgYJfBF9Wo4fwG_-JjMAQ8LhDnKKSavh_fV=0bUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <115981506942342@web13o.yandex.ru>
 <CAOFf2a3DqO1ZS4DWJ9zR77o9-q8DJobkg9VqZ0Xjwi2HeJenKg@mail.gmail.com>
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Ah, you would have to read the license in detail then.

https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.7/license/

Looks like you *can* distribute closed-source software for commercial
purposes but I just skimmed the page. Also I'm not a mutant. I mean
attorney.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:17 AM, ????????? <kalumb1 at yandex.ru> wrote:

> Yes, I'm likely to sell the program. What do I need to do in order not to
> violate the license? I am ready to indicate all the authors. Maybe
> something else is needed?
>
>
>
>
> 02.10.2017, 22:45, "Sean Felipe Wolfe" <ether.joe at gmail.com>:
>
> Generally speaking open-source means you can use the code. You have to be
> careful a) if you want to sell your product and b) an opensource license
> may require you to give credit.
>
> If you are interested in development on IDLE or the Python language in
> general, you might also check out the mentor mailing list at
> https://www.python.org/dev/core-mentorship/
>
> Nice screenshot! Keep pressing on!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 4:05 AM, ????????? <kalumb1 at yandex.ru> wrote:
>
> I need a code editor with syntax highlighting and with the other buns that
> are in IDLE. I do not need an interpreter, only an editor is needed.
> The essence of the program: the user enters the code, the program executes
> it and displays the result.
> Therefore, I appealed to you, as the official developers of IDLE. Can I
> use your code in my project? I can specify any information about the IDLE
> authors. What exactly is required?
> The license seems to allow me to use the code, but I'm not sure.
> Screenshot of the program in the attachment.
>
>
> 02.10.2017, 07:06, "Sean Felipe Wolfe" <ether.joe at gmail.com>:
>
> That depends. Are you building a space rocket to another planet??! That
> would be awesome. :)
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote:
>
> On 9/30/2017 9:50 AM, ????????? wrote:
>
> Tell me, please, can I use some of the IDLE source code in my program?
>
>
> The official answer is "Read the license", in particular, the PYTHON
> SOFTWARE FOUNDATION LICENSE VERSION 2.  You can access it on the online
> docs or by entering 'license()' at a >>> prompt or in IDLE, Help => About
> IDLE => License.  In general, the license is generous in giving
> permissions, so long as one gives credit and takes responsibility for the
> result.
>
> I do not know the legal definition of 'derivative work' as used in the
> license, and you did not say how much is 'some'.  If you use all or most of
> a module, include the the copyright notice of clause 2 and the 'brief
> summary of changes' of clause 3.
>
> If you want to reply, either subscribe to the list or use the
> news.gmane.org mirror.
>
> --
> Terry Jan Reedy
>
> _______________________________________________
> IDLE-dev mailing list
> IDLE-dev at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev
>
>
>
>
> --
> A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he
> is to be ultimately at peace with himself.
> - Abraham Maslow
>
>
>
>
> --
> A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he
> is to be ultimately at peace with himself.
> - Abraham Maslow
>
>


-- 
A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he
is to be ultimately at peace with himself.
- Abraham Maslow
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From tjreedy at udel.edu  Mon Oct  2 13:37:33 2017
From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 13:37:33 -0400
Subject: [Idle-dev] Source code of IDLE
In-Reply-To: <772721506961064@web36g.yandex.ru>
References: <258671506779447@web59g.yandex.ru>
 <15d45a08-5638-ffe2-f14d-259037b1fea4@udel.edu>
 <CAOFf2a2phjFgYJfBF9Wo4fwG_-JjMAQ8LhDnKKSavh_fV=0bUA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/2/2017 12:17 PM, ????????? wrote:
> Yes, I'm likely to sell the program. What do I need to do in order not 
> to violate the license?

Read the PSF license perhaps 3 times.
Then do what I said in my first response.

>>>         If you use all or most of a module, include the the copyright
>>>         notice of clause 2 and the 'brief summary of changes' of
>>>         clause 3.

If you distribute the program, you should include a license file.  At 
the bottom, put something like

"This program includes the following idlelib modules from Python x.y.z, 
https://python.org/... copyright <<copyright notice from clause 2>>. 
<<If you modify them, briefly describe>>.

Notice that the Python license file has similar notices at the bottom 
for copyrighted modules that Python distributes.  (None of the idlelib 
modules are.)  Take a look to see what form they follow.

tjr


From kalumb1 at yandex.ru  Mon Oct  2 13:55:10 2017
From: kalumb1 at yandex.ru (=?utf-8?B?0JDQu9C10LrRgdCw0L3QtNGA?=)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 00:55:10 +0700
Subject: [Idle-dev] Source code of IDLE
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From gokselgursu at gmail.com  Sun Oct  8 15:12:58 2017
From: gokselgursu at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Z8O2a3NlbCBnw7xyc3U=?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:12:58 +0300
Subject: [Idle-dev] Turkish language pack
Message-ID: <CAMax43bd9ur5=tfzN1EYhk0r6Xi5VrCd2Gy-8f3w7DRq3VzkEw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello. I know English a little.
My question:
Is it possible IDLE 3.6.3 language Turkish?
I like Python and make programmes about education. If Python menus,  help
files and etc. are Turkish, many persons  want to learn (I know about 115
persons in Turkey) Python.
Please give me information about my question.
Goodbye.
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From tjreedy at udel.edu  Sat Oct 14 14:48:15 2017
From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:48:15 -0400
Subject: [Idle-dev] Turkish language pack
In-Reply-To: <CAMax43bd9ur5=tfzN1EYhk0r6Xi5VrCd2Gy-8f3w7DRq3VzkEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMax43bd9ur5=tfzN1EYhk0r6Xi5VrCd2Gy-8f3w7DRq3VzkEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <feb32b88-7cfc-7a3c-f0f3-352a668fb023@udel.edu>

On 10/8/2017 3:12 PM, g?ksel g?rsu wrote:
> Hello. I know English a little.
> My question:
> Is it possible IDLE 3.6.3 language Turkish?

You can use non-ascii unicode characters in names, strings, and comments 
in Python code.  This remains true when using IDLE.  Any modern system 
should be able to display non-ascii Latin1 characters.

> I like Python and make programmes about education. If Python menus,  

I presume you mean IDLE's menus.
https://bugs.python.org/file44152/underscores_decimal_only.patch
is a dormant issue about having alternate languages for the menus.  It 
is not possible now.

> help files and etc. are Turkish, many persons? want to learn (I know 
> about 115 persons in Turkey) Python.

It is now possible to have 'official' translations of the official 
Python documents. https://docs.python.org/3/ has a combobox that 
defaults to 'English', with 'French' and 'Japanese' as alternate 
selections.  Each translation is produced by a small group, and I 
believe there are other groups working on other translations.  I believe 
the minimal requirement to be included in the dropdown box is a 
translation of the initial contents page and of the tutorial.  A 
translation of the Library Reference, IDLE chapter, would include a 
translation of the menu entries.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy