From mike at pcblokes.com  Thu Jan  6 23:38:25 2005
From: mike at pcblokes.com (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu Jan  6 23:36:40 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] Bundling IDLE with py2exe
In-Reply-To: <41B0AB70.3040505@pcblokes.com>
References: <41B0AB70.3040505@pcblokes.com>
Message-ID: <41DDBDE0.7090602@pcblokes.com>

Again for completeness.
My attempt to bundle IDLE with py2exe became 'Movable Python' - a frozen 
distribution of python.
See http://sourceforge.net/projects/movpy

This is a frozen distribution of python (for windows). Once I 
implemented the '-c' commandline option - IDLE works with it.

Regards,

Fuzzy
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml

Michael Foord wrote:

> I'm attempting to bundle IDLE with py2exe (at one of my jobs I don't 
> have admin rights.. so can't install anything - but I can run stuff 
> that doesn't need installing).
>
> I've overcome the first couple of problems (py2exe files don't have a 
> __file__ attribute, IDLE uses __import__ so I need to manually add 
> some modules etc).
>
> However - what I have got so far doesn't work, unsurprisingly. What it 
> does do is rather surprising and I'd appreciate a bit of help knowing 
> where to look.
>
> When I launch my current idle.exe it launches literally hundreds of 
> subprocesses. I then have to reboot !
>
> Any clues as to where in the code this would be happening from ?
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Fuzzy
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/atlantibots/pythonutils.html
>
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From sizelji at insightbb.com  Tue Jan 11 15:41:15 2005
From: sizelji at insightbb.com (Jim Sizelove)
Date: Wed Jan 12 17:38:38 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE shortcut on Windows XP (was<Tutor> Re: XP and
 python 2.4, some progress)
In-Reply-To: <20050109043456.B3A491E4008@bag.python.org>
References: <20050109043456.B3A491E4008@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <41E3E58B.7070808@insightbb.com>

Jeffrey Thomas Peery wrote:
> I wasn?t able to get the IDLE started in windows XP. I had it working 
> then I upgraded to 2.4, then it didn?t work so I switched back to 2.3, 
> still didn?t work so I?m back to 2.4.  I did some looking around and I 
> was able to get the IDLE started by setting the shortcut on my desktop to:
> 
>  
> 
> *C:\Python24\python.exe C:\Python24\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw ?n*
> 
>  
> 
> Not sure what this does. But is seems to get it going. What is going on 
> here? Also I get a console that appears with this message - I have no 
> idea what it means:
> 
>  
> 
> *Warning: configHandler.py ? IdleConf.GetThemeDict ? problem retrieving 
> theme element ?builtin-background?*
> 
> *For theme ?Jeff?*
> 
> *Returning default value: ?#ffffff?*
> 
>  
> 
> Anyhow if anyone can explain what is going on here I would appreciate 
> the help? and is there anyway to get the IDLE icon in my windows start 
> menu to work?
> 
> Ok thanks for the help!
> 
>  
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tutor maillist  -  Tutor@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor

I had a similar problem when I installed ActivePython 2.4 on my Windows 
XP notebook.  ActiveState does not include a shortcut to IDLE, but when 
I right-click on any file ending with .py, "Edit with IDLE" is one of 
the menu items.  This menu item did not work.

After much looking around and trying different things, I eventually made 
a slight change to the PY extension in Folder Options/File Types.  The 
command for the "Edit with IDLE" action looked like this:

"C:\Python24\pythonw.exe" "C:\Python24\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw"-n -e "%1" %*

There was no space between the "idle.pyw" and the "-n".  Once I inserted 
  a space, the shortcut menu item worked great.  I wonder if the space 
is also missing in the shortcut for IDLE in the Python 2.4 from 
python.org.  Does someone using the standard python 2.4 distribution on 
Windows XP want to check this out?

Jim Sizelove

From kbk at shore.net  Wed Jan 12 23:55:41 2005
From: kbk at shore.net (Kurt B. Kaiser)
Date: Wed Jan 12 23:56:33 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE shortcut on Windows XP (was<Tutor> Re: XP and
	python 2.4, some progress)
References: <20050109043456.B3A491E4008@bag.python.org>
	<41E3E58B.7070808@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <87k6qiz28i.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>

Jim Sizelove <sizelji@insightbb.com> writes:

> Jeffrey Thomas Peery wrote:
>> I wasn.t able to get the IDLE started in windows XP. I had it
>> working then I upgraded to 2.4, then it didn.t work so I switched
>> back to 2.3, still didn.t work so I.m back to 2.4.  I did some
>> looking around and I was able to get the IDLE started by setting the
>> shortcut on my desktop to:
>>  *C:\Python24\python.exe C:\Python24\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw .n*
>>  Not sure what this does. But is seems to get it going. What is
>> going on here? 

This is a bug which occurred at 2.4.  It is fixed in 2.4.1, due out
in a few days.

See item #2 on this  page for the workaround to fix the shortcut:

http://www.python.org/2.4/bugs.html

>> Also I get a console that appears with this message -
>> I have no idea what it means:
>>  *Warning: configHandler.py . IdleConf.GetThemeDict . problem
>> retrieving theme element .builtin-background.*
>> *For theme .Jeff.*
>> *Returning default value: .#ffffff.*
>>  Anyhow if anyone can explain what is going on here I would
>> appreciate the help. and is there anyway to get the IDLE icon in
>> my windows start menu to work?

Apparently you customized the Highlighting Themes.  There was a change
between 2.3 and 2.4 which added a builtin-background (and foreground)
selection.  That allows you to have a black background, which some
people like.

If you customized Highlighting, a config-highlight.cfg file was
created in your .idlerc/ (the IDLE personal configuration directory
which lives in your home directory).  When 2.4 tried to load it, it
found that the new builtin-background item was missing and errored
out.  This is a bug in IDLE.

See Python Bug # 1080387.

The simplest thing to do is delete the config-highlight.cfg file
from your .idlerc directory and restart IDLE.

If the theme you made was really complicated, see the patch at the
bottom of the aforementioned Bug.  The marked lines in the patch
should be added in the proper locations in your config-highlight.cfg,
in each theme.

>> Ok thanks for the help!  Jeff
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist -
>> Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
>
> I had a similar problem when I installed ActivePython 2.4 on my
> Windows XP notebook.  ActiveState does not include a shortcut to IDLE,
> but when I right-click on any file ending with .py, "Edit with IDLE"
> is one of the menu items.  This menu item did not work.
>
> After much looking around and trying different things, I eventually
> made a slight change to the PY extension in Folder Options/File Types.
> The command for the "Edit with IDLE" action looked like this:
>
> "C:\Python24\pythonw.exe" "C:\Python24\Lib\idlelib\idle.pyw"-n -e "%1" %*
>
> There was no space between the "idle.pyw" and the "-n".  Once I
> inserted a space, the shortcut menu item worked great.  I wonder if
> the space is also missing in the shortcut for IDLE in the Python 2.4
> from python.org.  Does someone using the standard python 2.4
> distribution on Windows XP want to check this out?

This would be an ActivePython problem. The spaces are present in the
official release.

Check your PYW extension, also.

-- 
KBK
From scott.rifkin at yale.edu  Sat Jan 22 02:22:09 2005
From: scott.rifkin at yale.edu (Scott Rifkin)
Date: Sat Jan 22 02:22:27 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] using idle to log changes in modules
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501212005441.5546-100000@argos.its.yale.edu>

I'd like to tweak idle to so that each time I save a module that I'm 
working on, idle saves and dates the changes that I've made since the last 
save.  It probably would make sense to save them in an adjunct file 
separated by the time.

It seems to me this information is stored in an idle session because 
after I've made changes, I can Edit-Undo back to the previously saved 
version.  Alternatively, there could be another save option Save-and-log 
which calls a function to compare the two files and logs the changes.  

The eventual goal would be to take a current file and reconstruct how it 
was at a specific time in the past presumably by iterating backwards 
through the changes since that time.

This is my first time looking into the inner workings of idle, so any 
suggestions of how I could go about doing this would be very welcome - 
where in the idle files the relevant pieces are.

Thanks much,
Scott Rifkin


From noamr at myrealbox.com  Sat Jan 22 18:43:38 2005
From: noamr at myrealbox.com (Noam Raphael)
Date: Sun Jan 23 09:03:50 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] Re: using idle to log changes in modules
In-Reply-To: <20050122110115.672921E4019@bag.python.org>
References: <20050122110115.672921E4019@bag.python.org>
Message-ID: <41F290CA.3030506@myrealbox.com>

The undo code site in the file UndoDelegator. It defines a class which 
is informed on all edit actions, so it can undo them. (I didn't really 
play with it, so I don't know much more.)

This sounds like a nice idea - It would be nice if the UndoDelegator 
would save to a file all the information in it, and load it when loading 
a file, so that the undo informations will be saved along with the file, 
and you would be able to undo immediately after you load the file.

Perhaps there should be a way to specify a limit to the history recorded 
on that file, so that it won't take too much disk space.

Good luck!
Noam Raphael

From kbk at shore.net  Sun Jan 23 19:35:49 2005
From: kbk at shore.net (Kurt B. Kaiser)
Date: Sun Jan 23 19:35:59 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] using idle to log changes in modules
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501212005441.5546-100000@argos.its.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <87acr03se2.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>

Scott Rifkin <scott.rifkin@yale.edu> writes:

> I'd like to tweak idle to so that each time I save a module that I'm 
> working on, idle saves and dates the changes that I've made since the last 
> save.  It probably would make sense to save them in an adjunct file 
> separated by the time.

You are (re)inventing a revision control system.  There are several good
ones readily available: CVS, Subversion, Arch, to name the most popular
of the Free ones.  

> It seems to me this information is stored in an idle session because 
> after I've made changes, I can Edit-Undo back to the previously saved 
> version.  Alternatively, there could be another save option Save-and-log 
> which calls a function to compare the two files and logs the changes.  
>
> The eventual goal would be to take a current file and reconstruct how it 
> was at a specific time in the past presumably by iterating backwards 
> through the changes since that time.

This is exactly what e.g. CVS does.

http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/

Generally, you don't want to be able to roll back every little edit
over many days.  It gets messy very quickly, and you lose track of
what you're doing.  You find you want to checkpoint when you reach
certain stages in development, and that's what you check into CVS,
with a note indicating what the change was about.  You might do that
several times a day.

Often, when I'm working alone and don't want to bother setting up a
repository for a project, I'll "Save Copy As.." with an appropriate
name: e.g.  foo.py.1 foo.py.2 etc., with the highest number the most
recent.  I keep editing foo.py itself, though.  Then I can use diff if
I want to find what changed, and roll back to a previous version if I
want.  Poor man's CVS.  Note that if you are working with others on
a project you need a 'real' RCS.

Two of the original requests on Idle-dev and in the TODO were for auto
backups and/or a "pluggable" interface to a revision control system.
These might be appropriate additions to IDLE.

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/idle-dev/2000-March/thread.html

I doubt I would use a backup feature because then I'd have to deal
with cleaning up all the ~ files.  Autosave might be useful if it
was unobtrusive and erased its backup file when the working file
was finally saved.

I /might/ use a CVS interface, but I really like using the command
line to deal with CVS.  I don't like the emacs/cvs interface, for
example.

Although a Revision Control System is a great tool to have,
implementing one in IDLE is outside of its design goals, IMO,
especially since there are so many good ones out there already.

We're trying to avoid 'kitchen sink' syndrome.  Even if it was done as
an extension, it might be so tightly coupled that we'd have to worry
about breaking the extension when modifying IDLE.

-- 
KBK
From gvanrossum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 03:07:06 2005
From: gvanrossum at gmail.com (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Mon Jan 24 03:07:14 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] using idle to log changes in modules
In-Reply-To: <87acr03se2.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501212005441.5546-100000@argos.its.yale.edu>
	<87acr03se2.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>
Message-ID: <ca471dc205012318075b0f943@mail.gmail.com>

> Although a Revision Control System is a great tool to have,
> implementing one in IDLE is outside of its design goals, IMO,
> especially since there are so many good ones out there already.

However, a smooth integration with some of the popular ones might be a
very cool feature to have. All the professional IDEs have this.

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
From kbk at shore.net  Mon Jan 24 04:16:59 2005
From: kbk at shore.net (Kurt B. Kaiser)
Date: Mon Jan 24 04:17:12 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] using idle to log changes in modules
In-Reply-To: <ca471dc205012318075b0f943@mail.gmail.com> (Guido van Rossum's
	message of "Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:07:06 -0800")
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501212005441.5546-100000@argos.its.yale.edu>
	<87acr03se2.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>
	<ca471dc205012318075b0f943@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87fz0r349g.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>

Guido van Rossum <gvanrossum@gmail.com> writes:

> However, a smooth integration with some of the popular ones might be a
> very cool feature to have. 

OK, I'll look at it.  CVS first, I would imagine.  Any special requirements?

> All the professional IDEs have this.

What's 'professional'?  IDLE isn't?  What's really needed?

-- 
KBK
From gvanrossum at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 05:07:24 2005
From: gvanrossum at gmail.com (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Mon Jan 24 05:07:27 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] using idle to log changes in modules
In-Reply-To: <87fz0r349g.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501212005441.5546-100000@argos.its.yale.edu>
	<87acr03se2.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>
	<ca471dc205012318075b0f943@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fz0r349g.fsf@hydra.bayview.thirdcreek.com>
Message-ID: <ca471dc205012320073bb25fa7@mail.gmail.com>

> OK, I'll look at it.  CVS first, I would imagine.  Any special requirements?

Let your imagination run wild. But make it a set of hooks so someone
can write integration for Perforce, Subversion, even SourceSafe and
RCS...

> > All the professional IDEs have this.
> 
> What's 'professional'?  IDLE isn't?  What's really needed?

Bloat.

Plus, Ctl-Delete and Ctl-Backspace ought to work like they do in most
Windows apps (delete word forward/backward).

-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
From pgb9607 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 19:28:55 2005
From: pgb9607 at yahoo.com (paul breen)
Date: Mon Jan 31 06:43:09 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] script changed by another process
Message-ID: <20050129182855.39536.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com>

I like to use my favorite editor to make most changes to a script then switch to IDLE to run the program. The trouble is that idle does not detect that the file has been changed like most editors do. Usually a code editor will ask to reload the file. Idle will not reflect the change even if the file is opened again within the same window. The only way to get around the problem is to close the window and re-open the file in a new window. Are there plans to change to change this behavior?
thanks,
Paul Breen
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