From tpc at csua.berkeley.edu  Thu Apr  7 21:58:10 2005
From: tpc at csua.berkeley.edu (tpc@csua.berkeley.edu)
Date: Thu Apr  7 21:58:18 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] IDLE freezing/hanging
In-Reply-To: <422B1B3A.4060800@info.ucl.ac.be>
Message-ID: <20050407125134.F70479-100000@localhost.name>


hi all, I just wanted to reiterate Gregoire Dooms' observations.  I also
seem to notice freezing/hanging directly after typing quickly.  It
happened to me twice within 48 hours, yesterday typing arrow keys quickly,
today while 'Alt-P'ing quickly to scroll through command history.  I
made sure before the hangs to apt-get update to latest IDLE and tk in
case I got another IDLE freeze:

"apt-get update" on 05APR2005
(using .../idle-python2.3_2.3.5-2_all.deb)
Setting up python2.3-tk (2.3.5-2)

I am running gnome on Debian.

On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, [ISO-8859-1] Gr=E9goire Dooms wrote:

> Nope, that process (zombie) then shows up in ps as:
> [python2.3] <defunct>
>
> >If it doesn't, that points to a problem with Tk.  Does it happen while
> >you're typing quickly, or will it freeze while you're having lunch?
> >
> >
> >
> As I stated before, it tends to happen when typing quickly (arrow keys
> last time).
>
> I'm currently using KDE (because I'm too lazy to get fvwm2 configured to
> my tastes),
> I used to use ion a lot while in programming-intensive periods of my life=
=2E
>
> I believe this could be related to a bug in tk8.4 (8.4.7-1) I'll upgrade
> now to 8.4.9-1 and see if the bug disappears.
> I'll report again next time the bug appears.
> If you have any info meanwhile...
>
> Regards,
> --
> Gr=E9goire Dooms
>
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From madrucke at tds.net  Tue Apr 26 17:30:12 2005
From: madrucke at tds.net (Mike Sr.)
Date: Tue Apr 26 21:00:56 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200504261530.j3QFUCKV020150@outbound4.mail.tds.net>

We use Python 2.3 extensively at work...

I am also a VB-6 programmer and one thing I miss *dearly* is the ComboBox DropDown in VB-6 that lists all the defined Functions and Subs in the module...

It would be very helpful to have a similar facility in Idle...

Where all the defined functions were listed in a convenient drop-down menu and with one click you could find that pesky function...

Just a thought...

My implementation in VB is too slow on load...

So, I appeal to the 'big boys' to write something useable. Please?

Mike Sr.

From dooms at info.ucl.ac.be  Wed Apr 27 09:53:57 2005
From: dooms at info.ucl.ac.be (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E9goire_Dooms?=)
Date: Wed Apr 27 09:56:27 2005
Subject: [Idle-dev] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200504261530.j3QFUCKV020150@outbound4.mail.tds.net>
References: <200504261530.j3QFUCKV020150@outbound4.mail.tds.net>
Message-ID: <426F4515.60809@info.ucl.ac.be>

Mike Sr. wrote:

>We use Python 2.3 extensively at work...
>
>I am also a VB-6 programmer and one thing I miss *dearly* is the ComboBox DropDown in VB-6 that lists all the defined Functions and Subs in the module...
>
>It would be very helpful to have a similar facility in Idle...
>
>Where all the defined functions were listed in a convenient drop-down menu and with one click you could find that pesky function...
>  
>

If I understand well, you should have a look at Noam Raphael's IDLE patch:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=906702&group_id=5470&atid=305470
It provides a drop down menu accessible through the Tab key which lists 
the members of objects and modules (after you type the dot).


You can download a set of already patched files from my page (patch 
applied on  some python 2.3 version):
 http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~dooms/python/IDLE_patch.zip

I use these patched files for in-class IDLE use on a morphix live-cd and 
no student ever crashed their session.

However, using these files, I suffer from some instability of IDLE 
(under Debian). But, as I'm not the only one (see a previous thread on 
this list), it could be unrelated.

All the best,
--
Gr?goire Dooms