[Tutor] Re: [Edu-sig] RE: [Idle-dev] IDLE's save-before-run requirement

[Dethe Elza]

on 01/6/20 11:43 AM, Patrick K. O'Brien at pobrien@orbtech.com wrote:

> I agree with that sentiment. While I also use Boa, PythonWin and VPython, I
> still like IDLE and usually pop it up for interactive use. What I really
> want is the best of them all. I hate to see all these efforts recreating the
> wheel. Of course, Boa and PythonWin both use Scintilla, although in slightly
> different fashions.

And as far as I know, Scintilla hasn't been ported to the Mac, and possibly
other python-enabled platforms.

> It might be nice if everyone standardized on Scintilla
> for the core editing capabilities and spent the rest of their effort on
> value-added stuff. (Though it wouldn't surprise me if Guido was reluctant to
> go with that suggestion and I can't say I blame him.) I think everyone would
> benefit if there was more code sharing and/or standard modules for the
> standard features that any editor/IDE would have to have. And it would be
> nice if these were GUI independent so that we could go from Tkinter to
> wxWindows, for example, if we wanted to.

I think that's the goal of Parrot [1], although I'd prefer to see an
XML-based language for GUI construction with engines for various
languages/platforms/toolkits.  But that just isn't going to happen anytime
soon (although the UIML[2] and XForms[3] projects are working in that
direction).  Since every language and platform seems to be developing ways
to encode their GUI resources in XML, and since the capabilities of GUI
toolkits seem to be approaching a useful common subset, maybe there's hope
someday.

--Dethe

[1] http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/oss/parrot/intro.html
[2] http://www.uiml.org/
[3] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: edu-sig-admin@python.org [mailto:edu-sig-admin@python.org]On Behalf Of
> Israel Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:16 PM
> To: 'Guido van Rossum'; Kirby Urner
> Cc: pobrien@orbtech.com; idle-dev@python.org; Python Edu SIG; Python Tutor
> Subject: RE: [Tutor] Re: [Edu-sig] RE: [Idle-dev] IDLE's save-before-run
> requirement
> 
> I'd just like to say that I love IDLE.  It's the only thing I do Python in.
> It's also the First tool that has made me comfortable with an interactive
> interpreter.  Emacs just frightens me! Vim is Spooky! IDLE is just right!
> 
> ~Israel~
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Dethe Elza 
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