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From j-david@noos.fr  Mon Mar 10 14:12:58 2003
From: j-david@noos.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:12:58 +0100
Subject: [I18n-sig] Re: bugs in gettext.py plural handling
In-Reply-To: <15962.7870.534282.204499@honolulu.ilog.fr>
References: <15962.7870.534282.204499@honolulu.ilog.fr>
Message-ID: <3E6C9D6A.6070607@noos.fr>

Hi,

I have posted a patch to the tracker [1] which contains
all your fixes. For the number 2, I have just catched the
tokenize.TokenError exception.


Best regards,
david


[1] 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=700839&group_id=5470&atid=305470



Bruno Haible wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Testing GNU gettext's integration test with Python 2.3a2, I see that
>there are several bugs relating to plural forms and the ngettext function.
>
>
>1)
>
>$ python
>import gettext
>germanic = gettext.c2py('!(n == 1)')
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
>  File "/packages/gnu-inst-python/2.3a2/lib/python2.3/gettext.py", line 110, in c2py
>    stack[-1] += '(%s)' % s
>IndexError: list index out of range
>
>The ! operator is treated incorrectly if not followed by a space.
>
>Here is a fix.
>
>*** gettext.py.bak	2003-02-22 02:28:17.000000000 +0100
>--- gettext.py	2003-02-22 21:37:33.000000000 +0100
>***************
>*** 88,95 ****
>      plural = plural.replace('&&', ' and ')
>      plural = plural.replace('||', ' or ')
>  
>!     expr = re.compile(r'\![^=]')
>!     plural = expr.sub(' not ', plural)
>  
>      # Regular expression and replacement function used to transform
>      # "a?b:c" to "test(a,b,c)".
>--- 88,95 ----
>      plural = plural.replace('&&', ' and ')
>      plural = plural.replace('||', ' or ')
>  
>!     expr = re.compile(r'\!([^=])')
>!     plural = expr.sub(' not \\1', plural)
>  
>      # Regular expression and replacement function used to transform
>      # "a?b:c" to "test(a,b,c)".
>
>
>2) Unbalanced parentheses in a plural expression don't give an error
>'unbalanced parenthesis in plural form'.
>
>Example:
>$ python
>import gettext
>germanic = gettext.c2py('n =)= 1')
>
>Instead we get an weird error message
>
>tokenize.TokenError: ('EOF in multi-line statement', (2, 0))
>
>Furthermore even if this error were avoided, we would get
>
>IndexError: list index out of range
>
>Here is a fix for the second half of this bug. I don't know Python
>enough to fix the first half as well.
>
>*** gettext.py.bak	2003-02-22 02:28:17.000000000 +0100
>--- gettext.py	2003-02-22 21:37:33.000000000 +0100
>***************
>*** 104,110 ****
>          if c == '(':
>              stack.append('')
>          elif c == ')':
>!             if len(stack) == 0:
>                  raise ValueError, 'unbalanced parenthesis in plural form'
>              s = expr.sub(repl, stack.pop())
>              stack[-1] += '(%s)' % s
>--- 104,110 ----
>          if c == '(':
>              stack.append('')
>          elif c == ')':
>!             if len(stack) == 1:
>                  raise ValueError, 'unbalanced parenthesis in plural form'
>              s = expr.sub(repl, stack.pop())
>              stack[-1] += '(%s)' % s
>
>
>3) Here's my test code (in ISO-8859-1):
>
>===================== prog.py ============================
>import sys
>import gettext
>
>n = int(sys.argv[1])
>
>gettext.textdomain('prog')
>gettext.bindtextdomain('prog', '.')
>
>print gettext.gettext("'Your command, please?', asked the waiter.")
>print gettext.ngettext("a piece of cake","%(count)d pieces of cake",n) \
>      % { 'count': n }
>print gettext.gettext("%(oldCurrency)s is replaced by %(newCurrency)s.") \
>      % { 'oldCurrency': "FF", 'newCurrency' : "EUR" }
>======================= fr.po ============================
>msgid ""
>msgstr ""
>"Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1\n"
>"Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=(n > 1);\n"
>
>msgid "'Your command, please?', asked the waiter."
>msgstr "«Votre commande, s'il vous plait», dit le garçon."
>
># Les gateaux allemands sont les meilleurs du monde.
>#, python-format
>msgid "a piece of cake"
>msgid_plural "%(count)d pieces of cake"
>msgstr[0] "un morceau de gateau"
>msgstr[1] "%(count)d morceaux de gateau"
>
># Reverse the arguments.
>#, python-format
>msgid "%(oldCurrency)s is replaced by %(newCurrency)s."
>msgstr "%(newCurrency)s remplace %(oldCurrency)s."
>==========================================================
>
>$ mkdir -p fr/LC_MESSAGES
>$ msgfmt -o fr/LC_MESSAGES/prog.mo fr.po
>$ LANGUAGE= LC_ALL=fr_FR python prog.py 2
>«Votre commande, s'il vous plait», dit le garçon.
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "prog.py", line 10, in ?
>    print gettext.ngettext("a piece of cake","%(count)d pieces of cake",n) \
>  File "/packages/gnu-inst-python/2.3a2/lib/python2.3/gettext.py", line 445, in ngettext
>    return dngettext(_current_domain, msgid1, msgid2, n)
>  File "/packages/gnu-inst-python/2.3a2/lib/python2.3/gettext.py", line 437, in dngettext
>    return t.ngettext(msgid1, msgid2, n)
>  File "/packages/gnu-inst-python/2.3a2/lib/python2.3/gettext.py", line 294, in ngettext
>    return self._catalog[(msgid1, self.plural(n))]
>AttributeError: GNUTranslations instance has no attribute 'plural'
>
>Why does it have no 'plural' attribute?
>
>* Testing that the header entry starts with 'Project-Id-Version:' is
>not appropriate because it excludes valid header entries. The gettext
>tools may remove or move this line in future versions.
>
>* libintl and msgfmt assume a fallback of "n != 1" if no Plural-Forms:
>entry is provided. In the same way, self.plural should use "n != 1" as a
>fallback.
>
>Here is the fix for both.
>
>*** gettext.py.bak	2003-02-22 02:28:17.000000000 +0100
>--- gettext.py	2003-02-22 21:37:33.000000000 +0100
>***************
>*** 114,119 ****
>--- 114,121 ----
>  
>      return eval('lambda n: int(%s)' % plural)
>  
>+ _germanic_plural = lambda n: int(n != 1)
>+ 
>  
>  
>  def _expand_lang(locale):
>***************
>*** 225,230 ****
>--- 227,233 ----
>          # Parse the .mo file header, which consists of 5 little endian 32
>          # bit words.
>          self._catalog = catalog = {}
>+         self.plural = _germanic_plural
>          buf = fp.read()
>          buflen = len(buf)
>          # Are we big endian or little endian?
>***************
>*** 258,264 ****
>              else:
>                  raise IOError(0, 'File is corrupt', filename)
>              # See if we're looking at GNU .mo conventions for metadata
>!             if mlen == 0 and tmsg.lower().startswith('project-id-version:'):
>                  # Catalog description
>                  for item in tmsg.split('\n'):
>                      item = item.strip()
>--- 261,267 ----
>              else:
>                  raise IOError(0, 'File is corrupt', filename)
>              # See if we're looking at GNU .mo conventions for metadata
>!             if mlen == 0:
>                  # Catalog description
>                  for item in tmsg.split('\n'):
>                      item = item.strip()
>
>
>4) Btw, I have to correct a misimpression. It was claimed in
>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/i18n-sig/2002-November/001514.html
>that GNU xgettext 0.11.5 doesn't support ngettext in Python. But it does
>if you add the command line options "-kgettext -kngettext:1,2". The reason
>is that when xgettext 0.11.5 was released, Python didn't have the ngettext
>function, and noone told me that it would.
>
>So for example,
>
>   $ xgettext -kgettext -kngettext:1,2 -o - prog.py
>
>produces the .pot file for prog.py above.
>
>
>Bruno
>
>  
>


-- 
J. David Ibáñez, http://www.j-david.net
Software Engineer / Ingénieur Logiciel / Ingeniero de Software




From bruno@clisp.org  Thu Mar 13 10:42:24 2003
From: bruno@clisp.org (Bruno Haible)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:42:24 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [I18n-sig] Re: bugs in gettext.py plural handling
In-Reply-To: <3E6C9D6A.6070607@noos.fr>
References: <15962.7870.534282.204499@honolulu.ilog.fr>
 <3E6C9D6A.6070607@noos.fr>
Message-ID: <15984.24720.235742.910952@honolulu.ilog.fr>

Juan:
> I have posted a patch to the tracker [1] which contains
> all your fixes. For the number 2, I have just catched the
> tokenize.TokenError exception.

Martin:
> Committed as gettext.py 1.17.

Thanks to both of you!

Bruno


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From anmar@canada.com  Wed Mar 26 05:20:42 2003
From: anmar@canada.com (Anmar Oueja)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:20:42 -0800
Subject: [I18n-sig] gettext tutorial
Message-ID: <3E8138AA.2020307@canada.com>

Hello All:

I am working on a web application (written in python of course) that 
will display a po file and allow people to translate these po files 
using this web app.

I am looking for two things:

- tuturial on how to use gettext module in python
- how to translate one item using command line tools (no editing of the 
file) if it does exists.

Thanks alot and thank you for making python appeal to non english spealers.

Thank you kindly.


Anmar



From martin@v.loewis.de  Wed Mar 26 06:54:18 2003
From: martin@v.loewis.de (Martin v. =?iso-8859-15?q?L=F6wis?=)
Date: 26 Mar 2003 07:54:18 +0100
Subject: [I18n-sig] gettext tutorial
In-Reply-To: <3E8138AA.2020307@canada.com>
References: <3E8138AA.2020307@canada.com>
Message-ID: <m31y0uzkh1.fsf@mira.informatik.hu-berlin.de>

Anmar Oueja <anmar@canada.com> writes:

> - tuturial on how to use gettext module in python

I recommend to read the GNU gettext manual.

> - how to translate one item using command line tools (no editing of
> the file) if it does exists.

I'm not sure what kind of tool you are asking for (how exactly would
you expect to invoke it), but I think no such tool exists.

Regards,
Martin



From jiri@baum.com.au  Wed Mar 26 08:48:50 2003
From: jiri@baum.com.au (Jiri Baum)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:48:50 +1100
Subject: [I18n-sig] gettext tutorial
In-Reply-To: <m31y0uzkh1.fsf@mira.informatik.hu-berlin.de>
References: <3E8138AA.2020307@canada.com> <m31y0uzkh1.fsf@mira.informatik.hu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <20030326084850.GE4995@baum.com.au>

Anmar:
> > - tuturial on how to use gettext module in python

Martin:
> I recommend to read the GNU gettext manual.

Obviously, that manual will make no mention of python-specific issues,
for instance the manner in which the i18n should be packaged using
setup.py

Any suggestions on that issue, please?


Jiri
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From barry@python.org  Wed Mar 26 17:16:30 2003
From: barry@python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: 26 Mar 2003 12:16:30 -0500
Subject: [I18n-sig] [Fwd: Re: [Zope3-dev] i18n breaks Schema]
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I thought people on this list might be interested in this.  Stephan and
I are going to try to address some of bugs with the gettext.py module on
irc on Monday.  I propose 10:30am EST, irc.freenode.net #zope3.  If we
want to move to a different channel once we get there, we can.

-Barry

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On Wednesday 26 March 2003 07:40, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> [Stephan]
>
> > Do you all get this error? Which version of Python are you using? It
> > definitely worked for Jim yesterday.
>
> I don't get the error, but it sounds like Gregoire meant he has code
> of his own that was broken.

:-) Jim and I just spent an hour fixing it. It is definitely a gettext lib 
problem. Barry and I (and whoever wants to join us) are going to discuss this 
on Monday on IRC.

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From martin@v.loewis.de  Wed Mar 26 19:08:07 2003
From: martin@v.loewis.de (Martin v. =?iso-8859-15?q?L=F6wis?=)
Date: 26 Mar 2003 20:08:07 +0100
Subject: [I18n-sig] gettext tutorial
In-Reply-To: <20030326084850.GE4995@baum.com.au>
References: <3E8138AA.2020307@canada.com>
 <m31y0uzkh1.fsf@mira.informatik.hu-berlin.de>
 <20030326084850.GE4995@baum.com.au>
Message-ID: <m33clat088.fsf@mira.informatik.hu-berlin.de>

Jiri Baum <jiri@baum.com.au> writes:

> Obviously, that manual will make no mention of python-specific issues,
> for instance the manner in which the i18n should be packaged using
> setup.py
> 
> Any suggestions on that issue, please?

Sorry, no. This is neither documented, nor does it really work without
significant efforts. Somebody should really make it work, and then
document it.

Regards,
Martin


From jim@ZOPE.COM  Thu Mar 27 14:06:55 2003
From: jim@ZOPE.COM (Jim Fulton)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:06:55 -0500
Subject: [I18n-sig] gettext tutorial
In-Reply-To: <3E8138AA.2020307@canada.com>
References: <3E8138AA.2020307@canada.com>
Message-ID: <3E83057F.9020004@zope.com>

FWIW, I think Stephan Richter has already written such an app for
Zope.

Jim

Anmar Oueja wrote:
> Hello All:
> 
> I am working on a web application (written in python of course) that 
> will display a po file and allow people to translate these po files 
> using this web app.
> 
> I am looking for two things:
> 
> - tuturial on how to use gettext module in python
> - how to translate one item using command line tools (no editing of the 
> file) if it does exists.
> 
> Thanks alot and thank you for making python appeal to non english spealers.
> 
> Thank you kindly.
> 
> 
> Anmar
> 
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