From dantorio at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 10:01:14 2004 From: dantorio at yahoo.com (Dante Torio) Date: Sun Sep 12 15:31:35 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Inquiry!! Message-ID: <20040910080114.38143.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Python Grants Comittee: Good Day! I am Dante D. Torio, a coastal management scientist from the Philippines. I wish to express my interest in the grant from your foundation. I am planning to write a proposal about my project for the grant application. This will involve the use of Python Language in combination with PCRaster, a dynamic environmental modelling software from the Universitiet Utrecht in The Netherlands. I will be using the grant to learn both Python and PCRaster as well as Dynamic Modelling techniques and Map Algebra. I will use this techniques in modelling the effectivity of mangrove ecosystem in maintaining coastal stability and fishery production in our project area in the Philippines. My eventual output is to estimate and simulate carrying capacities of mangroves as affected by human interventions and will serve as an input for coastal resources management. Python Programming, Dynamic Modelling and Map Algebra are online courses thought by Universitiet Utrecht. Here is the website of the online courses for your reference:http://pcraster.geog.uu.nl/courses/courses.html Courses fees are provided in the website. I just want to know if the grant could be applicable for online courses. I would be willing to send my proposal and other supporting documents for the grant as soon as possible. Thank you very much. and Hoping for your reply on this matter. Sincerely, Dante D. Torio --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/grants-discuss/attachments/20040910/25248050/attachment.html From fsells at sunrise.com Tue Sep 14 01:22:13 2004 From: fsells at sunrise.com (Fred) Date: Tue Sep 14 01:25:25 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] grant proposal format requirements? Message-ID: Is there any standard format suggested? What about file type? MS Word, HTML, PDF ??????? From martin at v.loewis.de Tue Sep 14 08:40:28 2004 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 08:48:42 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] grant proposal format requirements? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4146925C.4050409@v.loewis.de> Fred wrote: > Is there any standard format suggested? > > What about file type? MS Word, HTML, PDF ??????? We don't suggest a specific formal structure of the proposals. As for the file type - PDF is probably most appreciated, but we can read the others as well. Regards, Martin From martin at v.loewis.de Tue Sep 14 08:54:53 2004 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Tue Sep 14 09:57:51 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Inquiry!! In-Reply-To: <20040910080114.38143.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040910080114.38143.qmail@web51706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414695BD.2080802@v.loewis.de> Dante Torio wrote: > I just want to know if the grant could be applicable for online > courses. Dear Dante, Yes, creation of online courses is well within the scope of the call. Please make sure to include in the proposal the copyright/licensing procedures that you would apply to the material. Regards, Martin From waldemar at nxp.com Wed Sep 15 17:33:20 2004 From: waldemar at nxp.com (Waldemar Augustyn) Date: Wed Sep 15 17:33:34 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Size limit? Message-ID: <414860C0.2030302@nxp.com> I just posted my proposal to psf-grants and got rejected due to the size of file (?!!!): >Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > >The reason it is being held: > > Message body is too big: 349819 bytes with a limit of 40 KB > > > Maybe that limit of 40k could be increased? Otherwise, I do not know what to do. From tim.peters at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 18:00:42 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Sep 15 18:00:50 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Size limit? In-Reply-To: <414860C0.2030302@nxp.com> References: <414860C0.2030302@nxp.com> Message-ID: <1f7befae040915090055792076@mail.gmail.com> [Waldemar Augustyn] > I just posted my proposal to psf-grants and got rejected due to the size > of file (?!!!): >> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. >> >> The reason it is being held: >> >> Message body is too big: 349819 bytes with a limit of 40 KB It's not a rejection -- as it says, the message is being held for moderator review, because of its size. A human needs to review it. > Maybe that limit of 40k could be increased? Otherwise, I do not know > what to do. Nothing bad happened yet, so don't panic yet. The point of holding large messages for human review is to prevent viruses from getting sent automatically to all list subscribers (most viruses are at least 40KB, but few legitimate messages are so large). From tjd at sfu.ca Thu Sep 16 03:01:26 2004 From: tjd at sfu.ca (Toby Donaldson) Date: Thu Sep 16 04:52:49 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] grant question Message-ID: <003b01c49b88$b743fc00$393957d1@surrey.sfu.ca> Hi, Can people outside the USA apply for these grants? Toby -- Dr. Toby Donaldson School of Computing Science (Surrey) Simon Fraser University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/grants-discuss/attachments/20040915/8676a4af/attachment.html From martin at v.loewis.de Thu Sep 16 08:39:03 2004 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Thu Sep 16 08:40:04 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] grant question In-Reply-To: <003b01c49b88$b743fc00$393957d1@surrey.sfu.ca> References: <003b01c49b88$b743fc00$393957d1@surrey.sfu.ca> Message-ID: <41493507.4040305@v.loewis.de> Toby Donaldson wrote: > Can people outside the USA apply for these grants? Most certainly! Martin From jeff at taupro.com Thu Sep 16 09:34:19 2004 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Thu Sep 16 09:34:22 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Suggestions for Topics Message-ID: <1095320058.26173.40.camel@vault.timecastle.net> Is there a list someplace of areas of Python that are considered weak and for which a grant would be desirable? I'm interested in going for a grant but am short on ideas. I looked on the grants wiki and python.org, but didn't see anything. Does anyone have a good Python itch they'd like scratched but don't have time themselves? Or a wishlist URL? -Jeff From nnorwitz at gmail.com Thu Sep 16 18:15:06 2004 From: nnorwitz at gmail.com (Neal Norwitz) Date: Thu Sep 16 18:15:10 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Suggestions for Topics In-Reply-To: <1095320058.26173.40.camel@vault.timecastle.net> References: <1095320058.26173.40.camel@vault.timecastle.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:34:19 -0500, Jeff Rush wrote: > Is there a list someplace of areas of Python that are considered weak > and for which a grant would be desirable? Not that I'm aware of. There are plenty of areas Python can be improved. These areas don't have to be about the code. The important part is improving Python, which could include general promotion, docs, website, etc. I don't think the PSF really wants to endorse any particular set of grant topics. We want to see what the community thinks needs improving. What are your interests in general? What are your capabilities? Are you interested on volunteering to help with bug reports, patches, etc.? Neal From flaw at rhid.com Sat Sep 18 20:19:07 2004 From: flaw at rhid.com (James William Pye) Date: Sat Sep 18 20:19:10 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] PostgresPy proposal Message-ID: <1095531547.3039.238.camel@localhost> Before I formally submit my proposal, I wanted to ask for some opinions on a few points. (This is my first grant proposal, so be gentle. :) Please see the proposal here: http://rhid.com/~flaw/psf_grant.xml I am purposefully brief in my proposal, as to only provide the required information specified within the call. Is this the wrong idea to have? I suppose I was a bit partial to my own appreciation for brevity in certain circumstances. I thought it might be wise to include a persuasive paragraph or two, but I settled on the idea that it's acceptance is probably dependent on how much the reviewers liked the idea, and not so much on paragraphs that are ultimately optional inclusions. (Although, if it were the straw that broke the camel's back, it would be worthwhile...) As I state in the proposal, I have been working on this project for some time, but it is a way from such a state where one would call further work maintenance. Is this project still eligible for a grant from the PSF? Am I a bit too specific with my objective and plan? I'm really not sure how specific the PSF wanted this. Other comments and criticisms are quite welcome. -- Regards, James William Pye -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These are problem areas that my company has worked on a bit, but not to a degree of engineering and design that is really satisfying and general in nature. Regards. -Clint 1. InnoSetup python module Imagine a python module that allows one to create InnoSetup scripts and then runs the InnoSetup compiler. We have such scripts, but they are not general in nature. See http://www.jrsoftware.org/ 2. MS MSI python module Same as 1. above but for MicroSoft MSI. There may be reasonable libraries for doing this already? I don't know since we use InnoSetup now. 3. Python UI test module You have a Python app with a UI written in wxPython (or other GUI API). Now, imagine being able to "drive" the app with Python code, effectively simulating user input. This would have at least two uses: 1) giving demos and 2) functional testing. There is one library I saw a couple months ago that had part of this functionality, but it wasn't so complete. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From jeff at taupro.com Sun Sep 19 07:41:40 2004 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Sun Sep 19 07:41:47 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] RE: Suggestions for Topics In-Reply-To: <20040919042442.38574.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040919042442.38574.qmail@web10710.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1095572500.9737.29.camel@vault.timecastle.net> Thanks for the ideas, Clint. On Sat, 2004-09-18 at 23:24, crbidlack wrote: > 1. InnoSetup python module > Imagine a python module that allows one to create > InnoSetup scripts and then runs the InnoSetup > compiler. We have such scripts, but they are not > general in nature. See http://www.jrsoftware.org/ > 2. MS MSI python module > Same as 1. above but for MicroSoft MSI. There may be > reasonable libraries for doing this already? I don't > know since we use InnoSetup now. > > I've never heard of InnoSetup nor MS MSI before; I'll have to look into those tools. 3. Python UI test module > You have a Python app with a UI written in wxPython > (or other GUI API). Now, imagine being able to "drive" > the app with Python code, effectively simulating user > input. This would have at least two uses: 1) giving > demos and 2) functional testing. Ah, now this one is interesting, and related to something I'm playing with. I'm writing (and considering seeking a grant for) a Python interface to the xrecord and xtest extensions of the X Window system, such that Python scripts could listen to key and mouse movements of X applications, and send such back to any desired applications. I can see using it for testing/demos, but my need is for an agent/assistant program that watches what I do and when, to produce a billable work report. I forget sometimes to write down when I start and stop work on various projects, especially when I'm surfing the Internet. ;-) I figure it might also eventually be made smart enough to offer suggestions or anticipate things such as refreshing my inbox via fetchmail when I sit down to start work. Being hooked in at the X Window level means it'd work with wxPython and other GUI APIs, although not non-X APIs such as MS Windows or Mac. I don't know if this fits into a grant or not though. -Jeff From martin at v.loewis.de Sun Sep 19 12:06:00 2004 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Sun Sep 19 12:17:57 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] PostgresPy proposal In-Reply-To: <1095531547.3039.238.camel@localhost> References: <1095531547.3039.238.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <414D5A08.4050707@v.loewis.de> James William Pye wrote: > I am purposefully brief in my proposal, as to only provide the required > information specified within the call. Is this the wrong idea to have? No, it is very good if a proposal is specific and to the point. I see that you have left the financial details out of the proposal - I'm sure you know you will have to provide them before you submit your proposal. One thing that you haven't addressed is how you are going to release things. I.e. what will be the terms under which the project results will be made available. Will it be free software, will there be a fee for a license, ...? Some people have commented that they would like to see some more "selling" in a proposal, i.e. who you are and why you are perfect for the job (you answer this somewhat), and why the project is good for Python (e.g. who would be using it). The nature of this information/marketing depends on the proposal itself, of course, so we don't have any explicit requirements. > As I state in the proposal, I have been working on this project for some > time, but it is a way from such a state where one would call further > work maintenance. Is this project still eligible for a grant from the > PSF? Certainly. > Am I a bit too specific with my objective and plan? I'm really not sure > how specific the PSF wanted this. The more specific, the better. We would like to know what we will get, when we will get it, and what resources you need by what time. Regards, Martin From macrocosm at fastmail.fm Sun Sep 19 03:57:46 2004 From: macrocosm at fastmail.fm (Arich Chanachai) Date: Mon Sep 20 04:13:15 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Promoting Python Message-ID: <414CE79A.5060602@fastmail.fm> I am a software developer in Boston Massachusetts who has been utilizing Python for 6 years now. I much appreciate the depth of the library, the ease by which I can extend it in C/C++, and the clean and expressive qualities of the syntax. I also teach Python development and have had an increasing number of clients requesting Python "tutoring" over the past two years. Two and a half years ago, I had the pleasure and fortune to make the acquaintance of a 15 years old genius. Allow me to provide some background information and elaborate on his life as a intellectual: He had exposure early on in assembly language, and on the other end of the spectrum, BASIC. However, he had not really committed himself to programming yet, and had not received any formal instruction. After many years lacking in exposure or guidance, he took up web development and taught himself Javascript, soon becoming particularly crafty in cross-browser dhtml. Wanting to move beyond the limitations of client-side scripting, he then introduced himself to two server-side languages, PHP and Perl. Thereafter, when he was fourteen, his father encouraged him to sit-in on a C programming class at Mount Holyoke College. Indeed he did, and the following two semesters he took Data Structures and Computer Architecture, praised as the best student in each, at the age of only fourteen! When I met him, he had taken up Python, and was enamored with the same qualities of the language as I was. He had by that time, immersed himself in over a dozen languages (VB, Delphi, Smalltalk, Java, etc.) and had manifested his genius in other areas, producing graduate level work in economics, philosophy, and history; soon deciding to intertwine the all of the fields together, and constructed various models for economic and historical analysis, applied in a philosophical context. I saw in him a mirror image of myself. Most recently, he has been helping his father publish a book on Marxian economics, writing in entirety several chapters, and editing others. When I had seen the work he had done in economics, I had concluded that perhaps this was the field he was most interested, most skilled, and programming could be a utility to his research. Now I see otherwise. The past few months he has strongly communicated to me his plans for programming, his plans for Python, and his plans for the open source community. He has elaborate plans to extend Python in a dually-visual manner and is strongly devoted to the open source ideologies. Additionally, he has future plans to further expose and himself produce application for, fields of social science. His ideas are innovative in every meaning of the word, and I strongly suggest you get in touch with him. You can reply to me at this address and I will provide you with his contact information so as you may attain further details. (I have not mentioned names or contact info for anti-spam purposes.) Integral to his vision, I have encouraged him to obtain the support of the Python Software Foundation. He would like to promote Python in conjunction with his closest mentor at Mount Holyoke College, and he currently has the support of several professors from the Five Colleges in New England, MA; and from around the world. At this juncture, he and his team only require funds for the various expenses of the project (which will be outlined in our grant proposal), and for the website to be launched so he may then obtain the support of the open source community to which he intends to contribute. (Site will utilize Plone, the Zope and thus Python based CMS--- which we still need to find a host for). The Python Promotion Plan: 1. To educate interested students at the Five Colleges via introductory courses, workshops, presentations, and full fledge conferences. We will also draw on programmers and academics area wide. 2. Python Introduction at An Early Age - He will teach several courses, generously hosted by Mount Holyoke College, for interested middle and high schoolers in the Five College areas. 3. Beyond Introduction - Individuals carefully selected from #1 and #2 will be exposed to the advanced concepts, techniques, and technologies utilized in the implementation of the his vision, code-named Serpent OS. They will, for example, learn how to extend Python via SWIG and C++. Following graduation of this education process, those whom are appropriately skilled and so desire, will be integrated into the Serpent OS project. Is the Python Software Foundation interested in supporting such a project? Sincerely, Arich Chanachai From firemoth at gmail.com Tue Sep 21 18:18:00 2004 From: firemoth at gmail.com (Timothy Fitz) Date: Tue Sep 21 18:18:04 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Book Proposals In-Reply-To: <972ec5bd04092107357f154f1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <972ec5bd04092107357f154f1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <972ec5bd040921091816a34833@mail.gmail.com> Would the Python Software Foundation consider giving a grant for the purpose of writing a book about python? (Specifically, something on modern features not covered yet that would work well with the current O'Reilly set of books) From macrocosm at fastmail.fm Sat Sep 18 19:40:40 2004 From: macrocosm at fastmail.fm (Arich Chanachai) Date: Tue Sep 21 19:28:09 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Book Proposals Message-ID: I imagine the PSF would most likely to approve such a proposal. Do you have anything written up about precisely what you would like to cover and how exactly you have something to contribute to the existing pool of Python texts? If indeed this is something you will pursue, I would be most interested in assisting. - Arich From flaw at rhid.com Thu Sep 23 08:53:08 2004 From: flaw at rhid.com (James William Pye) Date: Thu Sep 23 08:53:07 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] PostgresPy proposal In-Reply-To: <414D5A08.4050707@v.loewis.de> References: <1095531547.3039.238.camel@localhost> <414D5A08.4050707@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <1095922388.682.159.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2004-09-19 at 03:06, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > I see that you have left the financial details out of the proposal - > I'm sure you know you will have to provide them before you submit > your proposal. Are you referring to my lack of a specific amount of support? (A dollar amount.) Or are you referring to something more? If you are referring to something more, I assume you mean point B in the call requires more than what I have in my proposal. If this is the case, how much precision is required to satisfy point B? > Will it be free software, will there be a fee for a license, ...? It is now specified. Thanks. > Some people have commented that they would like to see some more > "selling" in a proposal, i.e. who you are and why you are perfect > for the job (you answer this somewhat), and why the project is good > for Python (e.g. who would be using it). Okay. I think I have addressed some of these comments. Please see the updated version: http://rhid.com/~flaw/psf_grant.xml I still need to fit in 'who I am' somewhere, perhaps I will just open a new "Proposer" section. Thank you for your comments Martin, they are greatly appreciated. -- A question for everyone (That made it this far ;) When talking about yourself in a formal document like a grant proposal, is it still wise to avoid the first person? To me, it seems a bit silly to be talking about yourself in the third person as it seems almost as if one would be trying to avoid sounding self-serving by speaking in the third person, which would ultimately be counterproductive in my mind, and especially so, if it were to influence the listener(reader) to think in such a way. Well, I would at least note the writer's decision to do so, which would likely influence me to think less of the speaker/writer..(Surely, some exceptions to that would exist.) -- Regards, James William Pye -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You want to get the committee to feel that they know how much money you need by when to do what and that you will do what you say you will and that that is something that will be good for a large or important constituency. Anything that can address those points is worth putting in. --david From martin at v.loewis.de Thu Sep 23 22:25:22 2004 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiB2LiBMw7Z3aXMi?=) Date: Thu Sep 23 22:25:23 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] PostgresPy proposal In-Reply-To: <1095922388.682.159.camel@localhost> References: <1095531547.3039.238.camel@localhost> <414D5A08.4050707@v.loewis.de> <1095922388.682.159.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <41533132.90900@v.loewis.de> James William Pye wrote: >>I see that you have left the financial details out of the proposal - >>I'm sure you know you will have to provide them before you submit >>your proposal. > > > Are you referring to my lack of a specific amount of support? (A dollar > amount.) Or are you referring to something more? That, and more: We would like to get a payment plan, i.e. what payments to make at what point, and/or under what condition. > If this is the case, how much precision is required to satisfy point B? This is your choice. If you want to say "I want the entire grant at the end of of the project", fine. If you want to say "I want the entire grant at the beginning", we would probably be concerned what happens if you run away with the money and deliver nothing. Most sensible might be payments in lock-step with progress. Regards, Martin From gvwilson at cs.toronto.edu Fri Sep 24 14:41:20 2004 From: gvwilson at cs.toronto.edu (Greg Wilson) Date: Fri Sep 24 19:13:07 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] third (hopefully final) revision of proposal Message-ID: Hello. Please find attached the third (and hopefully final) revision of my proposal. I've included a payment schedule, and added a little more on how work will be evaluated. 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Unfortunately, most academics in the aforementioned fields are unaware of the capabilities, let alone applicability, of programmatic representation. Those who do are typically put off by the inadequacy and complexity of more traditional languages such as C and C++. We therefore propose to disseminate an understanding among these fields of the ability to develop social models and represent social constructs via the rapid modeling capabilities of the Python language. We seek to demonstrate how Python presents to them limited costs in production time via its language features, and to show how social models can be mentally approached in such a way that there exists a one-to-one correlation between their theoretical model and the Python equivalent. See the rest of the proposal at: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~bgabriel/Social_Analysis_&_Modeling_in_Python.pdf From skg at dsu.edu Tue Sep 28 17:02:36 2004 From: skg at dsu.edu (Steve Graham) Date: Tue Sep 28 17:14:57 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Question -- Indirect costs? Message-ID: I am a faculty member at a university. If I submit a grant proposal to go through the university, the grants office will add a percentage to the budget for indirect costs. These are the costs to the university of providing an infrastructure to support research. This includes such things as the network and computer infrastructure; the human resources infrastructure (supporting pay and benefits for student and faculty) and so on. Does the Python Software Foundation have a postion on such costs? Should I submit a proposal as a faculty member and under the auspices of the university? Or would the PSF prefer submissions as an individual, without the indirect costs and so on? The advantages of not going through a university are avoiding indirect costs and bureaucracy. The disadvantage of not going through the university would be the inability to use university resources for the grant research and that the infrastructure the indirect costs support are still needed (i.e., the computer and networking infrastructure, the time and effort to comply with government regulations if an employee is hired to work on a project). I have more than one idea for a proposal, but I'd like to submit them in a form the PSF prefers -- with or without the university association and indirect costs. cheers, skg From nnorwitz at gmail.com Wed Sep 29 06:07:28 2004 From: nnorwitz at gmail.com (Neal Norwitz) Date: Wed Sep 29 06:07:31 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Question -- Indirect costs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:02:36 -0500, Steve Graham wrote: > I am a faculty member at a university. If I submit a grant proposal to go > through the university, the grants office will add a percentage to the > budget for indirect costs. > > I have more than one idea for a proposal, but I'd like to submit them in a > form the PSF prefers -- with or without the university association and > indirect costs. Steve, I think what's more important is to do what makes the most sense and provides the most value to the PSF. If using the uni allows you can accomplish more, then indirect costs are fine. The PSF isn't solely focused on cost, but rather the value of what you will produce. Of course, the total requested amount must be lower than amount the PSF has available for grants. :-) Neal PS. I'm not on the grants committee, but I'm treasurer of the PSF. From bgabriel at cloudthunder.com Wed Sep 29 16:32:28 2004 From: bgabriel at cloudthunder.com (Bishara Gabriel) Date: Wed Sep 29 16:19:56 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Re: Grants-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <20040929100059.22CFD1E4007@bag.python.org> References: <20040929100059.22CFD1E4007@bag.python.org> Message-ID: <415AC77C.9070903@cloudthunder.com> >Steve, > >I think what's more important is to do what makes the most sense and >provides the most value to the PSF. If using the uni allows you can >accomplish more, then indirect costs are fine. > >The PSF isn't solely focused on cost, but rather the value of what you >will produce. Of course, the total requested amount must be lower >than amount the PSF has available for grants. :-) > >Neal > >PS. I'm not on the grants committee, but I'm treasurer of the PSF. > > > I believe I was mistaken. It was my understanding that the $40k was a maximum amount requestable per grant and not a total for the call. Was I indeed mistaken? Thank you. - Bishara From tim.peters at gmail.com Wed Sep 29 23:22:28 2004 From: tim.peters at gmail.com (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Sep 29 23:22:41 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Re: Grants-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <415AC77C.9070903@cloudthunder.com> References: <20040929100059.22CFD1E4007@bag.python.org> <415AC77C.9070903@cloudthunder.com> Message-ID: <1f7befae0409291422539e59d@mail.gmail.com> [Bishara Gabriel] > I believe I was mistaken. It was my understanding that the $40k was a > maximum amount requestable per grant and not a total for the call. Was > I indeed mistaken? Yes and no. The PSF's grants committee has a budget of USD$40K for grants this year. There's no rule about the number of grants that may or may not be made. Perhaps one grant of $40K will be made, or perhaps 40K grants of $1 each, or, since the grants committee isn't *required* to distribute the money this year, maybe they'll carry some (or even all ...) over to next year's grant program. In any case, they can't grant more than $40K total this year, because that's all the money they have this year. From porately at cs.biu.ac.il Mon Sep 27 10:24:00 2004 From: porately at cs.biu.ac.il (Dr. Ely Porat) Date: Thu Sep 30 19:24:12 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Supporting Summer Schools Message-ID: <002d01c4a46b$57aedcb0$7400a8c0@IBM4E3CAB4D821> I want to know if this grant can support Summer School on Python. I am working in Bar-Ilan University and I think that I can arrange an open summer school in Python. The thing is that only to rent the computer lab from the department cost 3,000$ a month and to pay for lecturer wont cost less. -- Best Dr. Ely Porat Bar-Ilan University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/grants-discuss/attachments/20040927/60c2b2bf/attachment.htm From wfspotz at sandia.gov Wed Sep 29 22:29:58 2004 From: wfspotz at sandia.gov (Bill Spotz) Date: Thu Sep 30 19:24:12 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] National Labs eligible? Message-ID: <54EC0862-1256-11D9-A045-000A95B950C4@sandia.gov> Are National Labs, such as Sandia National Laboratories considered eligible for Python Software Foundation grants? ** Bill Spotz ** ** Sandia National Laboratories Voice: (505)845-0170 ** ** P.O. Box 5800 Fax: (505)284-5451 ** ** Albuquerque, NM 87185-0316 Email: wfspotz@sandia.gov ** From mertz at gnosis.cx Wed Sep 29 23:31:37 2004 From: mertz at gnosis.cx (David Mertz, Ph.D.) Date: Thu Sep 30 19:24:12 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Re: Grants-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <1f7befae0409291422539e59d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20040929100059.22CFD1E4007@bag.python.org> <415AC77C.9070903@cloudthunder.com> <1f7befae0409291422539e59d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The Timbot wrote: > Perhaps one grant of $40K will be made, or perhaps 40K grants of $1 > each Hmmm... I propose a one dollar grant for creation of a Python script that will recursively traverse the files on my website, adding the phrase "PSF Grant Recipient" next to each occurrence of my name. Such increased acknowledgment of the PSF's role will increase the overall visibility of Python, by... oh, about one dollar worth. You 39,999 other proposers should come up with your own ideas! Yours, Lulu... From martin at v.loewis.de Thu Sep 30 20:01:38 2004 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Thu Sep 30 20:01:43 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] National Labs eligible? In-Reply-To: <54EC0862-1256-11D9-A045-000A95B950C4@sandia.gov> References: <54EC0862-1256-11D9-A045-000A95B950C4@sandia.gov> Message-ID: <415C4A02.8010607@v.loewis.de> Bill Spotz wrote: > Are National Labs, such as Sandia National Laboratories considered > eligible for Python Software Foundation grants? Certainly! We accept proposals from both individuals and organizations, independent of the country in which those reside. Of course, for organizations, we would need to know a contact person for the project. Regards, Martin From martin at v.loewis.de Thu Sep 30 20:40:32 2004 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Thu Sep 30 20:40:28 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Book Proposals In-Reply-To: <972ec5bd040921091816a34833@mail.gmail.com> References: <972ec5bd04092107357f154f1b@mail.gmail.com> <972ec5bd040921091816a34833@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <415C5320.2060502@v.loewis.de> Timothy Fitz wrote: > Would the Python Software Foundation consider giving a grant for the > purpose of writing a book about python? We would certainly consider it. Of course, time is running short for this year's call, and the competition is already quite strong, so we definitely cannot accept all proposals. Regards, Martin From bgabriel at cloudthunder.com Thu Sep 30 22:28:58 2004 From: bgabriel at cloudthunder.com (Bishara Gabriel) Date: Thu Sep 30 22:16:32 2004 Subject: [Grants-discuss] Social Analysis & Modeling with Python - Final Message-ID: <415C6C8A.9020107@cloudthunder.com> Final Version: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~bgabriel/Social_Analysis_&_Modeling_in_Python.pdf