From pete at wearpants.org  Thu Apr 18 19:41:29 2013
From: pete at wearpants.org (Peter Fein)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:41:29 -0500
Subject: [Freelancers] Subcontracting?
Message-ID: <CABD8qwwWxC7PpTo7gstpd6dLw1SaNj9UiNfC+j8fmScDQnJ=8g@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have experience/tips on working with subcontractors? I'm seeing a
lot of really promising leads right now, but don't want to take on more
than I can handle.  Considering offloading some of the easier parts of my
projects to more junior folks. Thoughts?

From supercooper at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 20:02:01 2013
From: supercooper at gmail.com (Chad Cooper)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Freelancers] Subcontracting?
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I've *been* sub'd before by someone else and it worked out fine. She hired
me just like anyone else does, we worked out a contract, I wrote her the
few tools she needed for her client, and that was it. She paid me my
regular rate no questions asked, so not sure what she was billing out at to
cover me.

chad


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Peter Fein <pete at wearpants.org> wrote:

> Anyone have experience/tips on working with subcontractors? I'm seeing a
> lot of really promising leads right now, but don't want to take on more
> than I can handle.  Considering offloading some of the easier parts of my
> projects to more junior folks. Thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
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From greg at gerg.ca  Tue Apr 23 17:19:47 2013
From: greg at gerg.ca (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:19:47 -0400
Subject: [Freelancers] Inverted job offer
Message-ID: <CA+rHBMhn7hWeQq5+a=jOzOd1FPVtFJiCJ6d6+0rqbqPaxS31tw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks --

got a protocol question for you: I recently interviewed for a
full-time position and didn't get the job. I'm pretty sure it was for
language reasons rather than technical reasons -- the workplace is
mostly French-speaking, and my French is, shall we say, not up to the
task. (This is a local quirk of life in Montreal: some jobs require
fluent English, some jobs require fluent French, some require both,
some aren't so picky...)

Anyways, the polite and friendly rejection email also said they'd be
interested in working with me as a freelancer. That's *great news* to
me, since I'm trying to bootstrap a freelancing career. And the job
wasn't so interesting on technical grounds, so I don't think I would
even want it full-time.

So now I have to find a polite way to say, "No hard feelings, I didn't
really want the job anyways, but I am interested in freelancing",
because that is the no-holds-barred unvarnished truth. But I don't
think I can come right out and tell them the job is uninteresting,
because I don't think the same criteria apply for freelance vs.
full-time positions. I would have no problem spending a few weeks on a
"boring" job that I wouldn't want full-time, because, well, income is
income.

Suggestions?

Greg

--
Greg Ward                            http://www.gerg.ca
<greg at gerg.ca>                       @gergdotca

From pete at wearpants.org  Wed Apr 24 02:04:10 2013
From: pete at wearpants.org (Peter Fein)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:04:10 -0500
Subject: [Freelancers] Inverted job offer
In-Reply-To: <CA+rHBMhn7hWeQq5+a=jOzOd1FPVtFJiCJ6d6+0rqbqPaxS31tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+rHBMhn7hWeQq5+a=jOzOd1FPVtFJiCJ6d6+0rqbqPaxS31tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABD8qwxAtRsfqnxWPXFCZ13JdJBiZH=eTgfCi+K__JmjaXVO8w@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think you need to tell them at all that you'd find it boring.
They're interested in you, good enough. That said, you should probably work
out for yourself how long you could tolerate it, and make sure that aligns
with their expectations for duration.

Good luck, sounds like a great bootstrap.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Greg Ward <greg at gerg.ca> wrote:

> Hey folks --
>
> got a protocol question for you: I recently interviewed for a
> full-time position and didn't get the job. I'm pretty sure it was for
> language reasons rather than technical reasons -- the workplace is
> mostly French-speaking, and my French is, shall we say, not up to the
> task. (This is a local quirk of life in Montreal: some jobs require
> fluent English, some jobs require fluent French, some require both,
> some aren't so picky...)
>
> Anyways, the polite and friendly rejection email also said they'd be
> interested in working with me as a freelancer. That's *great news* to
> me, since I'm trying to bootstrap a freelancing career. And the job
> wasn't so interesting on technical grounds, so I don't think I would
> even want it full-time.
>
> So now I have to find a polite way to say, "No hard feelings, I didn't
> really want the job anyways, but I am interested in freelancing",
> because that is the no-holds-barred unvarnished truth. But I don't
> think I can come right out and tell them the job is uninteresting,
> because I don't think the same criteria apply for freelance vs.
> full-time positions. I would have no problem spending a few weeks on a
> "boring" job that I wouldn't want full-time, because, well, income is
> income.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Greg
>
> --
> Greg Ward                            http://www.gerg.ca
> <greg at gerg.ca>                       @gergdotca
> _______________________________________________
> Freelancers mailing list
> Freelancers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/freelancers
>



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From md14-pycon at alluvialsw.com  Wed Apr 24 02:09:20 2013
From: md14-pycon at alluvialsw.com (Monte Davidoff)
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 17:09:20 -0700
Subject: [Freelancers] Inverted job offer
In-Reply-To: <CA+rHBMhn7hWeQq5+a=jOzOd1FPVtFJiCJ6d6+0rqbqPaxS31tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+rHBMhn7hWeQq5+a=jOzOd1FPVtFJiCJ6d6+0rqbqPaxS31tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <517722B0.90909@alluvialsw.com>

Hi Greg,

They said they'd be interested in working with you as a freelancer, so I 
suggest all you need to say is: "Yes, I'm interested in working with you 
as freelancer." There's no need to elaborate. I don't see anything to be 
gained (except hard feelings) by saying the job is boring and you didn't 
really want it anyway, since they rejected you for the job, and so it's 
off the table.

Monte

On 4/23/13 8:19 AM, Greg Ward wrote:
> Hey folks --
>
> got a protocol question for you: I recently interviewed for a
> full-time position and didn't get the job. I'm pretty sure it was for
> language reasons rather than technical reasons -- the workplace is
> mostly French-speaking, and my French is, shall we say, not up to the
> task. (This is a local quirk of life in Montreal: some jobs require
> fluent English, some jobs require fluent French, some require both,
> some aren't so picky...)
>
> Anyways, the polite and friendly rejection email also said they'd be
> interested in working with me as a freelancer. That's *great news* to
> me, since I'm trying to bootstrap a freelancing career. And the job
> wasn't so interesting on technical grounds, so I don't think I would
> even want it full-time.
>
> So now I have to find a polite way to say, "No hard feelings, I didn't
> really want the job anyways, but I am interested in freelancing",
> because that is the no-holds-barred unvarnished truth. But I don't
> think I can come right out and tell them the job is uninteresting,
> because I don't think the same criteria apply for freelance vs.
> full-time positions. I would have no problem spending a few weeks on a
> "boring" job that I wouldn't want full-time, because, well, income is
> income.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Greg
>
> --
> Greg Ward                            http://www.gerg.ca
> <greg at gerg.ca>                       @gergdotca
> _______________________________________________
> Freelancers mailing list
> Freelancers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/freelancers