From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Wed Mar  1 01:19:23 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 01:19:23 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
In-Reply-To: <2m7j7h7s9q.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <2mfyme8dx5.fsf@starship.python.net>	<43F9C181.4010107@ita.chalmers.se>
	<2m7j7h7s9q.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <4404E88B.2050700@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:

>Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo at ita.chalmers.se> writes:
>
>  
>
>>Hi, Michael,
>>
>>it is possible to update the existing site to CPS3.4  (I mailed St?fane 
>>about it) - there have been many improvements in terms of UI, and 
>>regorganize the content. But I won't have much time for it before the 
>>end of the week.
>>    
>>
>
>So is anything happening on this front?
>
>Cheers,
>mwh
>  
>

OK,

here is the new site:
http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/

it's just been upgraded to CPS3.4, with some very minor changes on the 
appearance of the external site, simpler navigation menu, some more work 
needs to be done.

you can log in at:
http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/login_form

the existing documents specific to G?teborg can be removed, but I guess 
that the current navigation structure can be kept more or less as it is.

Regards
/JM

From lac at strakt.com  Sat Mar  4 18:59:21 2006
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 18:59:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Overheard by Evelyn Mitchell at PyCon
Message-ID: <200603041759.k24HxLXT016888@theraft.strakt.com>


------- Forwarded Message
<snip>

One of the other comments I heard about the Tutorials, Conference then
Sprints format is that it allows people to go from relative novices,
through gaining a lot of exposure to a variety of Python projects, to
having the opportunity to apply some of their newfound knowledge on a real
project. That's a powerful learning path, and I believe should be
encouraged.

- -- 
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------- End of Forwarded Message

Another + for having tutorials.

Laura



From Felix.Wiemann at ososo.de  Mon Mar  6 21:38:53 2006
From: Felix.Wiemann at ososo.de (Felix Wiemann)
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:38:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
Message-ID: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>

Hi!

Maybe you should make clear on the europython.org front page that most
(or all?) of the web site is still about Europython 2005, not 2006.

May I suggest you move all contents to europython.org/2005 and put the
contents for 2006 to europython.org/2006?  This way things won't get
confused.

Regards,
Felix Wiemann

-- 
Felix Wiemann -- http://www.ososo.de/

From mwh at python.net  Tue Mar  7 10:53:14 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:53:14 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de> (Felix
	Wiemann's message of "Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:38:53 +0100")
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>
Message-ID: <2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>

Felix Wiemann <Felix.Wiemann at ososo.de> writes:

> Hi!
>
> Maybe you should make clear on the europython.org front page that most
> (or all?) of the web site is still about Europython 2005, not 2006.
>
> May I suggest you move all contents to europython.org/2005 and put the
> contents for 2006 to europython.org/2006?  This way things won't get
> confused.

It's being worked on, I think, in our Copious Free Time.  Do you know
anything about CPS? :)

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Not only does the English Language borrow words from other
  languages, it sometimes chases them down dark alleys, hits
  them over the head, and goes through their pockets.   -- Eddy Peters

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Tue Mar  7 11:04:57 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:04:57 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>
	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:

>Felix Wiemann <Felix.Wiemann at ososo.de> writes:
>
>  
>
>>Hi!
>>
>>Maybe you should make clear on the europython.org front page that most
>>(or all?) of the web site is still about Europython 2005, not 2006.
>>
>>May I suggest you move all contents to europython.org/2005 and put the
>>contents for 2006 to europython.org/2006?  This way things won't get
>>confused.
>>    
>>
>
>It's being worked on, I think, in our Copious Free Time.  Do you know
>anything about CPS? :)
>
>Cheers,
>mwh
>
>  
>

It should go pretty fast if the content of the 2006 site is ready, is it?:

one should start with updating the test site (and switch to it 
afterwards, when it's ready):
http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/
http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/login_form

(anyone needs an account who didn't have one from last year please 
contact me)

in the meantime I can add a message on the 2005 site saying that this is 
from last year's conference and that the new site is being worked on?
cheers
/JM




From mwh at python.net  Sat Mar 11 19:03:03 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:03:03 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se> (Jean-Marc Orliaguet's
	message of "Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:04:57 +0100")
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>
	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo at ita.chalmers.se> writes:

> Michael Hudson wrote:
>
>>Felix Wiemann <Felix.Wiemann at ososo.de> writes:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Maybe you should make clear on the europython.org front page that most
>>>(or all?) of the web site is still about Europython 2005, not 2006.
>>>
>>>May I suggest you move all contents to europython.org/2005 and put the
>>>contents for 2006 to europython.org/2006?  This way things won't get
>>>confused.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>It's being worked on, I think, in our Copious Free Time.  Do you know
>>anything about CPS? :)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>mwh
>>
>>  
>>
>
> It should go pretty fast if the content of the 2006 site is ready, is it?:

Sadly, not really.  Illness and extreme busy-ness have rather got in
the way.  I hope to work on it next week.

> one should start with updating the test site (and switch to it 
> afterwards, when it's ready):
> http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/
> http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/login_form
>
> (anyone needs an account who didn't have one from last year please 
> contact me)

Is there a "10 minute users guide to CPS" somewhere?

> in the meantime I can add a message on the 2005 site saying that this is 
> from last year's conference and that the new site is being worked on?

A very good idea.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  ... so the notion that it is meaningful to pass pointers to memory
  objects into which any random function may write random values
  without having a clue where they point, has _not_ been debunked as
  the sheer idiocy it really is.        -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp

From ja at nuxeo.com  Sat Mar 11 20:10:38 2006
From: ja at nuxeo.com (Julien Anguenot)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:10:38 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>
	<2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com>

Michael Hudson wrote:
[...]
> Is there a "10 minute users guide to CPS" somewhere?

You may want to check out this document :

http://www.cps-project.org/sections/documentation/users/cps-user-guide-html/

Cheers,

	J.

-- 
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From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Sat Mar 11 21:44:20 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:44:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
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References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>	<2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <441336A4.9070904@ita.chalmers.se>

Julien Anguenot wrote:

>Michael Hudson wrote:
>[...]
>  
>
>>Is there a "10 minute users guide to CPS" somewhere?
>>    
>>
>
>You may want to check out this document :
>
>http://www.cps-project.org/sections/documentation/users/cps-user-guide-html/
>
>Cheers,
>
>	J.
>

there is this screencast too:
http://www.nuxeo.com/screencasts/cps-3.4/

if there is some content ready to be published you can sent a zip file 
with documents in folders, putting them online should go really fast.

maybe the workflow could be simplified too (as in CPSWebPublisher) - I 
doubt that there is any need to separate workspaces and sections for 
such a site?

best
/JM

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Mar 13 08:30:40 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:30:40 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com>
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>	<2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <44151FA0.9070306@ita.chalmers.se>

Julien Anguenot said the following on 2006-03-11 20:10:
> Michael Hudson wrote:
>>Is there a "10 minute users guide to CPS" somewhere?
> 
> You may want to check out this document :
> 
> http://www.cps-project.org/sections/documentation/users/cps-user-guide-html/
> 

ah, thank you :-)

/dario

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-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 07:37:01 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:37:01 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] We need list of High Pot Attendees
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603132237y5d1598e9t10d007ffc1b227ca@mail.gmail.com>

The Martellibot wrote:

"""
(basically, this means
that by attending I can hope to help *HIRE* somebody -- otherwise,
I'm fighting uphill!-).
"""
so we definitely need a list of High Potential Attendees to EuroPython in
CERN. Guess similiar counts for the BDFL.


Harald

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the customs, just as I do in a church, synagogue or other holy place. But if
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public domain, he is not asking for my respect, but for my submission. And
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From mwh at python.net  Tue Mar 14 10:07:29 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:07:29 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] We need list of High Pot Attendees
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0603132237y5d1598e9t10d007ffc1b227ca@mail.gmail.com>
	(Harald
	Armin Massa's message of "Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:37:01 +0100")
References: <7be3f35d0603132237y5d1598e9t10d007ffc1b227ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2mbqw95r8u.fsf@starship.python.net>

(from the subject line, I thought this was going to be online poker
spam)

"Harald Armin Massa" <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com> writes:

> The Martellibot wrote:
>
> """
> (basically, this means 
> that by attending I can hope to help *HIRE* somebody -- otherwise, 
> I'm fighting uphill!-).
> """
> so we definitely need a list of High Potential Attendees to EuroPython in
> CERN. Guess similiar counts for the BDFL.

Well, you can tell him the place will be crawling with PyPyers
wondering what they are going to do after Dec 1 when the funding runs
out if you like...

On another note, it doesn't seem that wise to make it a Google hiring
fair because then *everyone else's* employers might be reluctant to
give them the week off :)

Cheers,
mwh

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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Tue Mar 14 10:13:17 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:13:17 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] We need list of High Pot Attendees
In-Reply-To: <2mbqw95r8u.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <7be3f35d0603132237y5d1598e9t10d007ffc1b227ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<2mbqw95r8u.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603140113w100ebd3m490b26b401ec8638@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

> (from the subject line, I thought this was going to be online poker
> spam)


that's why you should use spambayes or gmail for spamfiltering :)))


> >Well, you can tell him the place will be crawling with PyPyers
> >wondering what they are going to do after Dec 1 when the funding >runs
> out if you like...


I hope you saw my tongue-in-cheek when writing this .... :)

>On another note, it doesn't seem that wise to make it a Google hiring
>fair because then *everyone else's* employers might be reluctant to >give
them the week off :)

Similiar thoughts came to me, and led to my talk proposal:

Python is faster then assembler
- an economists view on developing in Python

Be surprised, be mesmerized @ Europython 2006!

Harald


--
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persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
When I visit a mosque, I show my respect by taking off my shoes. I follow
the customs, just as I do in a church, synagogue or other holy place. But if
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue Mar 14 14:46:02 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:46:02 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Honesty in Advertising
Message-ID: <200603141446.02716.paul@boddie.org.uk>

Hello,

I saw just now that the issue of proprietary vs. open source development (and 
whether the things being presented are available for public or even 
source-level perusal or not) had come up with respect to at least one of the 
talks at PyCon [1], and after various similar comments about at least one 
EuroPython talk last year, I was wondering if there should be some kind of 
stipulation that EuroPython talks should advertise the nature of the 
solutions being presented. Various people noted, after one of the EuroPython 
talks, that to sit through 30 minutes of what ultimately proved to be 
advertising virtually amounted to dishonesty on the part of the presenter. If 
getting involved in some interesting technology is a priority for attendees 
(and this is a community conference after all) then some more openness about 
such things is necessary, in my opinion.

Another thing that came to mind was the availability of papers and 
presentations: given that the conferences are a good way of presenting the 
state of the community, should more be done to insist that presenters make 
their materials available to those not attending the conference, and should 
the availability of materials be more widely promoted? There have been 
several occasions where I've referred people to EuroPython talks, mostly 
because those people have been promoting some in-progress solution similar to 
something more complete that was previously presented at EuroPython.

Has anyone any thoughts about improving such matters in advance of this year's 
conference?

Paul

[1] http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon2006/Feedback

From mwh at python.net  Thu Mar 16 20:35:10 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:35:10 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com> (Julien Anguenot's message of
	"Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:10:38 +0100")
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>
	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>
	<2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net> <441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <2mfyli2nf5.fsf@starship.python.net>

Julien Anguenot <ja at nuxeo.com> writes:

> Michael Hudson wrote:
> [...]
>> Is there a "10 minute users guide to CPS" somewhere?
>
> You may want to check out this document :
>
> http://www.cps-project.org/sections/documentation/users/cps-user-guide-html/

That's hardly a 10 minute guide :)

Can I make a vague appointment to have someone somewhere on IRC
babysit me through making some simple changes to the site sometime
soon?  I'll only be online for a while in the morning tomorrow but
next week should be back to my usual 9-5 Mon-Fri onlineness...

I've just spent at least an hour trying to divine how to edit the
mention of Gtbg out of the "WHY?" box on
http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/ and am feeling rather
frustrated.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  In that case I suggest that to get the correct image you look at
  the screen from inside the monitor whilst standing on your head.  
               -- James Bonfield, http://www.ioccc.org/2000/rince.hint

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Mar 16 20:44:45 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:44:45 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <2mfyli2nf5.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>	<2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com> <2mfyli2nf5.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <4419C02D.70701@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:

>Julien Anguenot <ja at nuxeo.com> writes:
>
>  
>
>>Michael Hudson wrote:
>>[...]
>>    
>>
>>>Is there a "10 minute users guide to CPS" somewhere?
>>>      
>>>
>>You may want to check out this document :
>>
>>http://www.cps-project.org/sections/documentation/users/cps-user-guide-html/
>>    
>>
>
>That's hardly a 10 minute guide :)
>
>Can I make a vague appointment to have someone somewhere on IRC
>babysit me through making some simple changes to the site sometime
>soon?  I'll only be online for a while in the morning tomorrow but
>next week should be back to my usual 9-5 Mon-Fri onlineness...
>
>I've just spent at least an hour trying to divine how to edit the
>mention of Gtbg out of the "WHY?" box on
>http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/ and am feeling rather
>frustrated.
>  
>

that's unfortunate, because it doesn't take more than 30 seconds.
http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2006/geneva.html

why not focus instead on writing the content / the information and send 
it to either me or Dario and we put it online ? we can do a chat session 
next week too.

is there any content ready yet?

cheers
/JM



From ja at nuxeo.com  Thu Mar 16 21:24:22 2006
From: ja at nuxeo.com (Julien Anguenot)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:24:22 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <2mfyli2nf5.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>	<2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com> <2mfyli2nf5.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <4419C976.5080502@nuxeo.com>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Julien Anguenot <ja at nuxeo.com> writes:
> 
>> Michael Hudson wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Is there a "10 minute users guide to CPS" somewhere?
>> You may want to check out this document :
>>
>> http://www.cps-project.org/sections/documentation/users/cps-user-guide-html/
> 
> That's hardly a 10 minute guide :)

As well, you could check out the screencasts over there :
http://www.nuxeo.com/screencasts/cps-3.4/index.html

[...]
	
	J.

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From mwh at python.net  Thu Mar 16 21:27:07 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:27:07 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
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On 16 Mar 2006, at 19:44, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:

> Michael Hudson wrote:
>
>> Julien Anguenot <ja at nuxeo.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>> Michael Hudson wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Is there a "10 minute users guide to CPS" somewhere?
>>>>
>>> You may want to check out this document :
>>>
>>> http://www.cps-project.org/sections/documentation/users/cps-user- 
>>> guide-html/
>>>
>>
>> That's hardly a 10 minute guide :)
>>
>> Can I make a vague appointment to have someone somewhere on IRC
>> babysit me through making some simple changes to the site sometime
>> soon?  I'll only be online for a while in the morning tomorrow but
>> next week should be back to my usual 9-5 Mon-Fri onlineness...
>>
>> I've just spent at least an hour trying to divine how to edit the
>> mention of Gtbg out of the "WHY?" box on
>> http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/ and am feeling rather
>> frustrated.
>>
>
> that's unfortunate, because it doesn't take more than 30 seconds.
> http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2006/geneva.htm

As I was beginning to suspect by the end of my hour, I don't think I  
have the permissions to have done that.  Thanks though!

> why not focus instead on writing the content / the information and  
> send it to either me or Dario and we put it online ? we can do a  
> chat session next week too.
>
> is there any content ready yet?

Well, there's this:  http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2006/ 
CallForProposals

And there's lots of stuff that could be removed and placeholdered  
like the "how to get around the G?teborg area".

Cheers,
mwh

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Mar 16 21:49:27 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:49:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <B811A01E-0D05-4078-900D-782B5BD9A28C@python.net>
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>	<2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com> <2mfyli2nf5.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<4419C02D.70701@ita.chalmers.se>
	<B811A01E-0D05-4078-900D-782B5BD9A28C@python.net>
Message-ID: <4419CF57.1040404@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:

>
> As I was beginning to suspect by the end of my hour, I don't think I  
> have the permissions to have done that.  Thanks though!
>

OK, you are manager now, so it should work.

>> why not focus instead on writing the content / the information and  
>> send it to either me or Dario and we put it online ? we can do a  
>> chat session next week too.
>>
>> is there any content ready yet?
>
>
> Well, there's this:  http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2006/ 
> CallForProposals
>
> And there's lots of stuff that could be removed and placeholdered  
> like the "how to get around the G?teborg area".
>
> Cheers,
> mwh


OK, I've done some cleaning. removed reference to G?teborg, keep some of 
the pages that will surely be reused, with some adjustments.

who has the information anyway?

cheers
/JM


From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Mar 16 22:23:26 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:23:26 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython site 2006
In-Reply-To: <ED67980C-DE5D-4061-A764-EE97D21772FA@amaze.nl>
References: <4402D7C7.4010106@chalmers.se>
	<ED67980C-DE5D-4061-A764-EE97D21772FA@amaze.nl>
Message-ID: <4419D74E.5040706@ita.chalmers.se>

Maurice Nonnekes wrote:

> Hey Jean-Marc,
>
> I've setup a new Zope 2.9.1 instance in "/home/e/europy/zope/ 
> europy291/", which can be accessed using
>
>     http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/manage
>
> using the 'europy' login and matching password (the same you use for  
> ssh/sftp). I assume you want me to change the DNS and Apache  
> settings, once you have setup the new instance to your liking, so  
> I'll wait with that until you tell me to switch. If you have any  
> questions or comments, feel free to mail me.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>    --Maurice



Hi!

I think you can now switch the sites so that www.europython.org points 
at http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/ and ep2005.europython.org 
points at the ep2005 site (currently www.europython.org).

thank you /JM

From mwh at python.net  Thu Mar 16 22:47:25 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:47:25 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <4419CF57.1040404@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <20060306213853.135465fb.Felix.Wiemann@ososo.de>	<2m3bhuwph1.fsf@starship.python.net>	<440D5AC9.3000807@ita.chalmers.se>	<2my7zg6eqw.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441320AE.8070708@nuxeo.com> <2mfyli2nf5.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<4419C02D.70701@ita.chalmers.se>
	<B811A01E-0D05-4078-900D-782B5BD9A28C@python.net>
	<4419CF57.1040404@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <8F8C898C-BF69-40A9-ACE4-9D03E863FE9E@python.net>


On 16 Mar 2006, at 20:49, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:

> Michael Hudson wrote:
>
>>
>> As I was beginning to suspect by the end of my hour, I don't think  
>> I  have the permissions to have done that.  Thanks though!
>>
>
> OK, you are manager now, so it should work.

Hurrah.  It really shouldn't have taken so long for the "something  
seems bizarrely impossible" -> "it's a permissions problem" to have  
occurred to me.  Obviously haven't used zope for a while...

Thank you for the fast response!

>>> why not focus instead on writing the content / the information  
>>> and  send it to either me or Dario and we put it online ? we can  
>>> do a  chat session next week too.
>>>
>>> is there any content ready yet?
>>
>>
>> Well, there's this:  http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2006/  
>> CallForProposals
>>
>> And there's lots of stuff that could be removed and placeholdered   
>> like the "how to get around the G?teborg area".
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mwh
>
>
> OK, I've done some cleaning. removed reference to G?teborg, keep  
> some of the pages that will surely be reused, with some adjustments.

Precisely.  Pages with missing info seem better than pages with flat  
out out-of-date info.

> who has the information anyway?

Well, Benedikt, I guess.  CERN must have web pages describing how to  
get there, etc, so we probably don't have to write so much content  
ourselves this year, just point to it.

Cheers,
mwh

From john at clocksoft.com  Fri Mar 17 11:23:22 2006
From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:23:22 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Honesty in Advertising
In-Reply-To: <200603141446.02716.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <200603141446.02716.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <441A8E1A.4030803@clocksoft.com>

Hello Paul,

Food for thought here.

Paul Boddie wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I saw just now that the issue of proprietary vs. open source
> development (and whether the things being presented are available for
> public or even source-level perusal or not) had come up with respect
> to at least one of the talks at PyCon [1], and after various similar
> comments about at least one EuroPython talk last year, I was
> wondering if there should be some kind of stipulation that EuroPython
> talks should advertise the nature of the solutions being presented.
> Various people noted, after one of the EuroPython talks, that to sit
> through 30 minutes of what ultimately proved to be advertising
> virtually amounted to dishonesty on the part of the presenter. If 
> getting involved in some interesting technology is a priority for
> attendees (and this is a community conference after all) then some
> more openness about such things is necessary, in my opinion.

I totally agree and suggest that in the call for papers submission form
we have a checkbox for open source, and give priority to those
products/projects which are so.

> Another thing that came to mind was the availability of papers and 
> presentations: given that the conferences are a good way of
> presenting the state of the community, should more be done to insist
> that presenters make their materials available to those not attending
> the conference, and should the availability of materials be more
> widely promoted? There have been several occasions where I've
> referred people to EuroPython talks, mostly because those people have
> been promoting some in-progress solution similar to something more
> complete that was previously presented at EuroPython.

In principle, they should be on the site, but I for one have been
delinquent in making them available due to:

1) Lack of time on my part.
2) The obscurity (to me, maybe I'm thick) of how to publish the papers
on the various sites we've had.

> Has anyone any thoughts about improving such matters in advance of
> this year's conference?
> 

Regards,

John
--

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Fri Mar 17 11:55:45 2006
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:55:45 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Honesty in Advertising
In-Reply-To: <441A8E1A.4030803@clocksoft.com>
References: <200603141446.02716.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<441A8E1A.4030803@clocksoft.com>
Message-ID: <20060317105545.GF31462@crater.logilab.fr>

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 10:23:22AM +0000, John Pinner wrote:
> > Has anyone any thoughts about improving such matters in advance of
> > this year's conference?

Make sure the presentations are available *before*?the conference ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 12:14:47 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:14:47 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Honesty in Advertising
In-Reply-To: <20060317105545.GF31462@crater.logilab.fr>
References: <200603141446.02716.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<441A8E1A.4030803@clocksoft.com>
	<20060317105545.GF31462@crater.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603170314v2307a8b5p55063dfa13e0ee42@mail.gmail.com>

Dear fellow Epys,


> > Has anyone any thoughts about improving such matters in advance of
> > > this year's conference?
>
> Make sure the presentations are available *before*the conference ?
>

How can we put this in practice? How do we sanction people for not
submitting presentations before?

I for one am not willing to submit presentations before. I want my talks to
be holistic works of art; 30% of the presentation material being build in
response to the reactions of the audience while presenting, maybe even drawn
on overhead or painted on my body; and I do not want to give "sneak
previews" so that the jokes are discussed before I make them.

I support the "state which kind of software you are talking about";
especially something like:

a) this is a presentation about Open Source
b) this is a presentation about using Python to do something commercially
successfull
c) this is a presentation to make you use something commercially you have to
buy, which should make you happy

Best wishes

Harald








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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 14:01:27 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:01:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Abstract submission form
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603170501i9fe3d64v63688b8360a3bb6c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Epys,

on the abstract submisison form there is

- affiliation

as obligatory information.

As you know I am no scientist, so I asked DA BIG GOOGLE define:affiliation
what it may be, and DA BIG GOOGLE told me:

- a social drive to be associated with others in interdependent
relationships, involving using others for help or support without making
them responsible for problems.

- An affiliation is a business relationship between an NSPIRES registered
user and an organization's Sponsored Research Office (SRO). An affiliation
request by an NSPIRES user to an organization's SRO must be confirmed by the
organization. Registered users must have an affiliation with an NSPIRES
organization for their proposals to be submitted to NASA.

- When an employer becomes covered under one or more of the retirement
systems administered by KPERS. Prospective employers must complete an
application process to affiliate with KPERS.

- Process that a new extension must complete before being officially
recognized as a chapter.


so, yes, I want affiliation, that's why I am with Europython, but what
should I enter?


Harald


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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 14:14:54 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:14:54 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] indico is cool
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603170514k2198d50o8720476cff86c797@mail.gmail.com>

just submitted 3 talk proposals, got my confirmation emails, looked at the
PDF --- it is a great tool!

Harald


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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 14:15:38 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:15:38 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Abstract submission form
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0603170501i9fe3d64v63688b8360a3bb6c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0603170501i9fe3d64v63688b8360a3bb6c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F028A78-A09F-4AA7-98B2-A01D4E7B90F5@cern.ch>

Hi,

affiliation means membership in an organization (university,  
institute) or company. It should be in every dictionary.
But you are right - maybe it's better to change it.

Ciao
Benedikt

On Mar 17, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Harald Armin Massa wrote:

> Hello Epys,
>
> on the abstract submisison form there is
>
> - affiliation
>
> as obligatory information.
>
> As you know I am no scientist, so I asked DA BIG GOOGLE  
> define:affiliation what it may be, and DA BIG GOOGLE told me:
>
> - a social drive to be associated with others in interdependent  
> relationships, involving using others for help or support without  
> making them responsible for problems.
>
> - An affiliation is a business relationship between an NSPIRES  
> registered user and an organization's Sponsored Research Office  
> (SRO). An affiliation request by an NSPIRES user to an  
> organization's SRO must be confirmed by the organization.  
> Registered users must have an affiliation with an NSPIRES  
> organization for their proposals to be submitted to NASA.
>
> - When an employer becomes covered under one or more of the  
> retirement systems administered by KPERS. Prospective employers  
> must complete an application process to affiliate with KPERS.
>
> - Process that a new extension must complete before being  
> officially recognized as a chapter.
>
>
> so, yes, I want affiliation, that's why I am with Europython, but  
> what should I enter?
>
>
> Harald
>
>
> -- 
> GHUM Harald Massa
> persuadere et programmare
> Harald Armin Massa
> Reinsburgstra?e 202b
> 70197 Stuttgart
> 0173/9409607
> -
> PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 14:16:04 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:16:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Please add Lightning Talks as categorie to the
	Abstract submissions
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603170516t3cd5717dm405a3553a7bd8748@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, I know, we will do that on site as we did the years before.

But if we can get ligthning talks submitted NOW, it is even better, isn't
it?

Harald

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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 14:34:10 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:34:10 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage
Message-ID: <92EE6531-6F82-45C4-82A4-A6C3B17BF70F@cern.ch>

Hi,

where can I get an account to the new europython page?

Ciao
Benedikt


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 14:50:37 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:50:37 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
Message-ID: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>

Hi,

Vincent Maton designed a great poster for the epc2006.
You can have a look at the "final" version here:
http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/poster_A4.pdf

Ciao
Benedikt

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Mar 17 14:42:27 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:42:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <441ABCC3.6080100@ita.chalmers.se>

Benedikt Hegner wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Vincent Maton designed a great poster for the epc2006.
>You can have a look at the "final" version here:
>http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/poster_A4.pdf
>
>Ciao
>Benedikt
>_
>


looks good. that's some artwork that can be used to put on the front 
page somewhere.
/JM

From maurice at amaze.nl  Fri Mar 17 14:29:19 2006
From: maurice at amaze.nl (Maurice Nonnekes)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:29:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython site 2006
In-Reply-To: <4419D74E.5040706@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <4402D7C7.4010106@chalmers.se>
	<ED67980C-DE5D-4061-A764-EE97D21772FA@amaze.nl>
	<4419D74E.5040706@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <5889AF4F-833E-4F21-86EA-A3B5BD47675A@amaze.nl>

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Hey Jean-Marc,

The switch has been made and www.europython.org shows the new site.  
Please note that ep2005.europython.org doesn't seem to resolve yet.


Regards,
    --Maurice


On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:

> Maurice Nonnekes wrote:
>
>> Hey Jean-Marc,
>>
>> I've setup a new Zope 2.9.1 instance in "/home/e/europy/zope/  
>> europy291/", which can be accessed using
>>
>>     http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/manage
>>
>> using the 'europy' login and matching password (the same you use  
>> for  ssh/sftp). I assume you want me to change the DNS and Apache   
>> settings, once you have setup the new instance to your liking, so   
>> I'll wait with that until you tell me to switch. If you have any   
>> questions or comments, feel free to mail me.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>    --Maurice
>
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I think you can now switch the sites so that www.europython.org  
> points at http://biostabil.amaze.nl:8054/ep2006/ and  
> ep2005.europython.org points at the ep2005 site (currently  
> www.europython.org).
>
> thank you /JM


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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 15:03:11 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:03:11 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603170603j526ea00amff103a7f0ecf61ac@mail.gmail.com>

That poster looks really good. What is that golden bubble the people are
dancing around? Does CERN store its antimatter there?

Harald

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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 15:07:35 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:07:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0603170603j526ea00amff103a7f0ecf61ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<7be3f35d0603170603j526ea00amff103a7f0ecf61ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B7976EE-2C56-46B7-9E76-AEDD6BD4F5AE@cern.ch>

> That poster looks really good. What is that golden bubble the  
> people are dancing around? Does CERN store its antimatter there?
No that's the hangar for our X-33 aircraft. ;-)

It is the globe of innovation, our new PR building: http:// 
public.web.cern.ch/public/Content/Chapters/Spotlight/SpotlightGlobe- 
en.html

Ciao
Benedikt



From reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net  Fri Mar 17 15:08:44 2006
From: reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net (Reinoud van Leeuwen)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:08:44 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <20060317140844.GV77583@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 02:50:37PM +0100, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Vincent Maton designed a great poster for the epc2006.
> You can have a look at the "final" version here:
> http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/poster_A4.pdf

Is it preferable that there is a personal contact mentioned before the 
more general one?

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__________________________________________________
"Nothing is as subjective as reality"
Reinoud van Leeuwen    reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net
http://www.xs4all.nl/~reinoud
__________________________________________________

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 15:12:04 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:12:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <20060317140844.GV77583@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<20060317140844.GV77583@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <F207C979-7457-44E3-8D33-428BA3A059C5@cern.ch>

On Mar 17, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 02:50:37PM +0100, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Vincent Maton designed a great poster for the epc2006.
>> You can have a look at the "final" version here:
>> http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/poster_A4.pdf
>
> Is it preferable that there is a personal contact mentioned before the
> more general one?
That's a good point. Maybe this should be changed.

Thanks,
Benedikt

From reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net  Fri Mar 17 15:22:35 2006
From: reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net (Reinoud van Leeuwen)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:22:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <F207C979-7457-44E3-8D33-428BA3A059C5@cern.ch>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<20060317140844.GV77583@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
	<F207C979-7457-44E3-8D33-428BA3A059C5@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <20060317142234.GW77583@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>

On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 03:12:04PM +0100, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> On Mar 17, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 02:50:37PM +0100, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Vincent Maton designed a great poster for the epc2006.
> >> You can have a look at the "final" version here:
> >> http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/poster_A4.pdf
> >
> > Is it preferable that there is a personal contact mentioned before the
> > more general one?
> That's a good point. Maybe this should be changed.

Oh and one other tip: use a tracker to receive all such emails. I've 
organised a 2500+ people event last year and we would not have survived 
without it. 

(we used RT3 which is Perl based. It has a webinterface, a mail interface 
and a commandline interface. Especially the ability to store FAQ answers 
in the database and to be able to resolve a group of tickets at once are 
crucial features. I don't know whether there is a python or zope based 
tracker that has similar ones)

-- 
__________________________________________________
"Nothing is as subjective as reality"
Reinoud van Leeuwen    reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net
http://www.xs4all.nl/~reinoud
__________________________________________________

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Mar 17 15:08:55 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:08:55 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <441AC2F7.7080608@ita.chalmers.se>

Benedikt Hegner wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Vincent Maton designed a great poster for the epc2006.
>You can have a look at the "final" version here:
>http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/poster_A4.pdf
>
>Ciao
>Benedikt
>


I've used the artwork on the site (http://www.europython.org) to update 
the EP logo and make the conference dates / location clearer

the red color (from the Swiss flag) adds some depth to it too. That 
looks really good

cheers
/JM

From ms at cerenity.org  Fri Mar 17 15:27:09 2006
From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:27:09 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Abstract submission form
In-Reply-To: <0F028A78-A09F-4AA7-98B2-A01D4E7B90F5@cern.ch>
References: <7be3f35d0603170501i9fe3d64v63688b8360a3bb6c@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F028A78-A09F-4AA7-98B2-A01D4E7B90F5@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200603171427.09694.ms@cerenity.org>

On Friday 17 March 2006 13:15, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
...
> affiliation means membership in an organization (university,
> institute) or company. It should be in every dictionary.
> But you are right - maybe it's better to change it.

I think one thing worth remembering is that not everyone attending will be
from an organisation or company. At least not in the context of Europython.

Regards,


Michael.

From mwh at python.net  Fri Mar 17 16:39:18 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:39:18 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch> (Benedikt
	Hegner's message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:50:37 +0100")
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>

Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:

> Hi,
>
> Vincent Maton designed a great poster for the epc2006.
> You can have a look at the "final" version here:
> http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/poster_A4.pdf

Very nice.

I have a slightly tangential question: is it EuroPython or Europython?
I've always tended to the former, but the poster and a few places on
the website say the latter.  Anyone have any strong opinions?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  > so python will fork if activestate starts polluting it?
  I find it more relevant to speculate on whether Python would fork
  if the merpeople start invading our cities riding on the backs of 
  giant king crabs.                 -- Brian Quinlan, comp.lang.python

From mwh at python.net  Fri Mar 17 16:47:00 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:47:00 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Please add Lightning Talks as categorie to the
 Abstract submissions
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0603170516t3cd5717dm405a3553a7bd8748@mail.gmail.com>
	(Harald
	Armin Massa's message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:16:04 +0100")
References: <7be3f35d0603170516t3cd5717dm405a3553a7bd8748@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2mu09x13bf.fsf@starship.python.net>

"Harald Armin Massa" <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com> writes:

> Yeah, I know, we will do that on site as we did the years before.

Did you get volunteered to be track chair?  I forget.

> But if we can get ligthning talks submitted NOW, it is even better, isn't
> it?

Done!

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  I think if we have the choice, I'd rather we didn't explicitly put
  flaws in the reST syntax for the sole purpose of not insulting the
  almighty.                                    -- /will on the doc-sig

From mwh at python.net  Fri Mar 17 16:53:26 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:53:26 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage
In-Reply-To: <92EE6531-6F82-45C4-82A4-A6C3B17BF70F@cern.ch> (Benedikt
	Hegner's message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:34:10 +0100")
References: <92EE6531-6F82-45C4-82A4-A6C3B17BF70F@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <2mpskl130p.fsf@starship.python.net>

Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:

> Hi,
>
> where can I get an account to the new europython page?

It's probably best to ask Jean-Marc to set you up; I think I've found
the right bit to twiddle but I'm not completely sure.

BTW, you already appear to _have_ an account... I presume your asking
for the rights to edit things?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  I think if we have the choice, I'd rather we didn't explicitly put
  flaws in the reST syntax for the sole purpose of not insulting the
  almighty.                                    -- /will on the doc-sig

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 16:56:26 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:56:26 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage
In-Reply-To: <2mpskl130p.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <92EE6531-6F82-45C4-82A4-A6C3B17BF70F@cern.ch>
	<2mpskl130p.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <37909988-6291-40B6-85CB-3D04A959770A@cern.ch>


> Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> where can I get an account to the new europython page?
>
> It's probably best to ask Jean-Marc to set you up; I think I've found
> the right bit to twiddle but I'm not completely sure.
>
> BTW, you already appear to _have_ an account... I presume your asking
> for the rights to edit things?

I've already got an answer. :-)

Ciao
Benedikt

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 17:20:39 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:20:39 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage layout
Message-ID: <D21CA894-D29B-4FB2-BD11-CDD4340A4BE9@cern.ch>

Whoever changed the layout of the page - thanks!
Is it possible to change the background color as well?

The picture in a slightly better quality: http://doc.cern.ch//archive/ 
electronic/cern/others/PHO/photo-bul//bul-pho-2005-032.jpg

Ciao
Benedikt

From mwh at python.net  Fri Mar 17 18:01:44 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:01:44 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage
In-Reply-To: <37909988-6291-40B6-85CB-3D04A959770A@cern.ch> (Benedikt
	Hegner's message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:56:26 +0100")
References: <92EE6531-6F82-45C4-82A4-A6C3B17BF70F@cern.ch>
	<2mpskl130p.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<37909988-6291-40B6-85CB-3D04A959770A@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <2mlkv90zuv.fsf@starship.python.net>

Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:

>> Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> where can I get an account to the new europython page?
>>
>> It's probably best to ask Jean-Marc to set you up; I think I've found
>> the right bit to twiddle but I'm not completely sure.
>>
>> BTW, you already appear to _have_ an account... I presume your asking
>> for the rights to edit things?
>
> I've already got an answer. :-)

I found some more bits that were already twiddled and thought you
probably had :)

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  <itamar> two more webmonkey days, and then I'm off to the USA
  * shapr hands a web-banana to itamar
  <desaster at ircnet> my god, the banana is full of ads
                                                -- from Twisted.Quotes

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 18:11:25 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:11:25 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage
In-Reply-To: <2mlkv90zuv.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <92EE6531-6F82-45C4-82A4-A6C3B17BF70F@cern.ch>
	<2mpskl130p.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<37909988-6291-40B6-85CB-3D04A959770A@cern.ch>
	<2mlkv90zuv.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <C917321A-4376-4416-8362-C31381C887E0@cern.ch>

>
>>> Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> where can I get an account to the new europython page?
>>>
>>> It's probably best to ask Jean-Marc to set you up; I think I've  
>>> found
>>> the right bit to twiddle but I'm not completely sure.
>>>
>>> BTW, you already appear to _have_ an account... I presume your  
>>> asking
>>> for the rights to edit things?
>>
>> I've already got an answer. :-)
>
> I found some more bits that were already twiddled and thought you
> probably had :)
>
Yap, and it is a very strange interface...

Ciao
Benedikt






From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 18:15:59 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:15:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage structure
Message-ID: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>

Hi,

some comments on the page structure. We have in the menu bar
- Registration
- Location
- Accomodation
- Tracks & Talks
- Events
- Sprints & Wiki

Isn't there something missing where we can put information about the  
"what who why"? (in addition to the boxes on the entry page) Where we  
can put information about EPC, CERN, comments from participants from  
the years before, press articles and so on...

Ciao
Benedikt


From jacob at strakt.com  Fri Mar 17 18:45:36 2006
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:45:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>

fredagen den 17 mars 2006 16.39 skrev Michael Hudson:
> I have a slightly tangential question: is it EuroPython or Europython?
> I've always tended to the former, but the poster and a few places on
> the website say the latter.  Anyone have any strong opinions?

The form I have used consistently is Europython. I prefer it before the 
camelcase form for aesthetic reasons. 

Jacob

From jacob at strakt.com  Fri Mar 17 18:59:05 2006
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:59:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Homage layout
In-Reply-To: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>
References: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200603171859.05652.jacob@strakt.com>

To make the page look better balanced there are a couple of things that should 
be easy to do:

- Make the "Site updates" box go as far down as the "Highlights" box does. The 
gap creates a visual dis-association between the upper part of the page and 
the lower part.

- Do something about the empty space to the right of the WHAT-WHO-WHY boxes. 
Either shift them to be centered on the page or put something in the space.

- The distance between the lower edge of the "Highlights" box and the upper 
edge of the WHAT-WHO-WHY should be the same as the distance between the lower 
edge of the toolbar and the upper edge of the "Site updates"- "Europython 
2006" - "Search this site".

Jacob

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Mar 17 18:46:44 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:46:44 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage layout
In-Reply-To: <D21CA894-D29B-4FB2-BD11-CDD4340A4BE9@cern.ch>
References: <D21CA894-D29B-4FB2-BD11-CDD4340A4BE9@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <441AF604.1080701@ita.chalmers.se>

Benedikt Hegner wrote:

>Whoever changed the layout of the page - thanks!
>Is it possible to change the background color as well?
>
>The picture in a slightly better quality: http://doc.cern.ch//archive/ 
>electronic/cern/others/PHO/photo-bul//bul-pho-2005-032.jpg
>
>Ciao
>Benedikt
>  
>

I've now changed the picture  the resolution looks better /JM

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 17 19:16:04 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:16:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage layout
In-Reply-To: <441AF604.1080701@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <D21CA894-D29B-4FB2-BD11-CDD4340A4BE9@cern.ch>
	<441AF604.1080701@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <C15A9328-562B-4A6B-B015-7EB208557D0E@cern.ch>

> Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>
>> Whoever changed the layout of the page - thanks!
>> Is it possible to change the background color as well?
>>
>> The picture in a slightly better quality: http://doc.cern.ch// 
>> archive/ electronic/cern/others/PHO/photo-bul//bul-pho-2005-032.jpg
>>
>> Ciao
>> Benedikt
>>
>
> I've now changed the picture  the resolution looks better /JM

Thanks
Benedikt


From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Mar 17 19:12:06 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:12:06 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage structure
In-Reply-To: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>
References: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <441AFBF6.3090804@ita.chalmers.se>

Benedikt Hegner wrote:

>Hi,
>
>some comments on the page structure. We have in the menu bar
>- Registration
>- Location
>- Accomodation
>- Tracks & Talks
>- Events
>- Sprints & Wiki
>
>Isn't there something missing where we can put information about the  
>"what who why"? (in addition to the boxes on the entry page) Where we  
>can put information about EPC, CERN, comments from participants from  
>the years before, press articles and so on...
>
>Ciao
>Benedikt
>
>  
>

"Tracks & Talks" and "Sprints & Wiki" could be merged. Location / accomodation too.

feel free to change the structure, I simply copied the structure from last year, and it does not necessarily work best this year since a lot of information concerning registration / talks is already available on http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=44

also It feels weird to switch sites, maybe the location / hotels information could be placed www.europython.org ? currently it's somehow duplicated.

there is also a third site involved (http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006) - it is possible to put a wiki on www.europython.org. 3 sites for one conference is a lot..

BTW,  the site now validates XHTML 1.0 strict ( http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.europython.org )

regards 

/JM



From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Fri Mar 17 19:08:56 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:08:56 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Paranoid Questions from an Attendee/Speaker
Message-ID: <441AFB38.4060403@simplistix.co.uk>

Hi All,

I'm planning on coming the conference as well as giving a talk, so:

I guess I register here:
http://indico.cern.ch/confRegistrationFormDisplay.py?confId=44

And I submit my talk here:
http://indico.cern.ch/abstractSubmission.py?confId=44

I book my hotel by contacting one of the hotels listed here:
http://housing-service.web.cern.ch/housing-service/listhotel.html

Can anyone recommend a nice, rather than cheap, hotel with good 
WiFi/ethernet that's as close to the conference as possible?

How should I be looking to commute from the hotel to the conference 
venue for each day of the conference?

I'm guessing I should look to checkin on the evening of the 2nd and 
checkout on the morning of the 6th? (I'm not able to attend any sprints 
due to time constraints :-/)

Are there any conference dinners or the like that I should make sure I'm 
around for?

Also, I remember there being talk of a tour around CERN. Is this still 
on? If so, how do I sign up for it?

Oh, and what currency should I bring? What does stuff cost in 
Switzerland? Can I just live off a credit card?

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 17 19:48:26 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:48:26 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Paranoid Questions from an Attendee/Speaker
In-Reply-To: <441AFB38.4060403@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <441AFB38.4060403@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603171048m16e2976er3a0c3af301cf0272@mail.gmail.com>

Chris,

>
> Are there any conference dinners or the like that I should make sure I'm
> around for?

Yes, there is a conference dinner, and it is allready within the time table
available in that CERN software.

Also, I remember there being talk of a tour around CERN. Is this still
> on? If so, how do I sign up for it?

The sign up is within the registration form. That should be on the day
after, that is 2006-07-06.

Oh, and what currency should I bring? What does stuff cost in
>
Switzerland? Can I just live off a credit card?


Switzerland has the Swiss Frank. I learned from my last visit that
Switzerland belongs to the Premium segment.

Harald
--
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From lac at strakt.com  Sat Mar 18 15:02:50 2006
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:02:50 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<441ABCC3.6080100@ita.chalmers.se> 
Message-ID: <200603181402.k2IE2op8024160@theraft.strakt.com>

looks good.  can we use some some of this art on the new site someplace?

Laura


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Sun Mar 19 14:42:05 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:42:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <200603181402.k2IE2op8024160@theraft.strakt.com>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<441ABCC3.6080100@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200603181402.k2IE2op8024160@theraft.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <3B48EBE9-C6CF-4E37-A5F0-0251256C1D31@cern.ch>

> looks good.  can we use some some of this art on the new site  
> someplace?
>
> Laura
>
I think yes.
Vincent - are you interested in helping with this?

Ciao
Benedikt




From mwh at python.net  Mon Mar 20 09:21:47 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:47 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage structure
In-Reply-To: <441AFBF6.3090804@ita.chalmers.se> (Jean-Marc Orliaguet's
	message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:12:06 +0100")
References: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>
	<441AFBF6.3090804@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <2m4q1t1q78.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo at ita.chalmers.se> writes:

> also It feels weird to switch sites, maybe the location / hotels
> information could be placed www.europython.org ? currently it's
> somehow duplicated.

I think this would make sense.

> there is also a third site involved
> (http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006) - it is possible to put
> a wiki on www.europython.org. 3 sites for one conference is a lot..

If I had infinite time, I'd attack indico until its output vaguely
resembled that of the ep.org look and reverse proxy it into the
www.europython.org site structure.  However I don't :)

I think some kind of "users" wiki on europython.org is a fine idea,
although just using python.org has an appealing lack of effort about
it.

> BTW,  the site now validates XHTML 1.0 strict ( http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.europython.org )

Cool!

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
31. Simplicity does not precede complexity, but follows it.
  -- Alan Perlis, http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html

From Benedikt.Hegner at cern.ch  Mon Mar 20 10:10:47 2006
From: Benedikt.Hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:10:47 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage gone?
Message-ID: <B74864DF-7962-4AA3-B901-4F904F08A4B2@cern.ch>

Hi,

why do I get the CPS interface when looking at europython.org? There  
should be something (even if the new page is still not ready)

Ciao
Benedikt


From mwh at python.net  Mon Mar 20 10:28:13 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:28:13 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage gone?
In-Reply-To: <B74864DF-7962-4AA3-B901-4F904F08A4B2@cern.ch> (Benedikt
	Hegner's message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:10:47 +0100")
References: <B74864DF-7962-4AA3-B901-4F904F08A4B2@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <2mzmjlzcr6.fsf@starship.python.net>

Benedikt Hegner <Benedikt.Hegner at cern.ch> writes:

> Hi,
>
> why do I get the CPS interface when looking at europython.org? There  
> should be something (even if the new page is still not ready)

Are you still logged in?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  <wzZzy> we should write an os
  <itamar> YES
  * itamar starts a sourceforge project
                                                -- from Twisted.Quotes

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Mon Mar 20 10:31:15 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:31:15 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage gone?
In-Reply-To: <2mzmjlzcr6.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <B74864DF-7962-4AA3-B901-4F904F08A4B2@cern.ch>
	<2mzmjlzcr6.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <760C1F6D-756F-43EB-A6E4-079A93161931@cern.ch>


> Benedikt Hegner <Benedikt.Hegner at cern.ch> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> why do I get the CPS interface when looking at europython.org? There
>> should be something (even if the new page is still not ready)
>
> Are you still logged in?
:-)

Thanks,
Benedikt



From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Mar 20 10:36:13 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:36:13 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage structure
In-Reply-To: <2m4q1t1q78.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>	<441AFBF6.3090804@ita.chalmers.se>
	<2m4q1t1q78.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <441E778D.6080200@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:

>Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo at ita.chalmers.se> writes:
>
>  
>
>>also It feels weird to switch sites, maybe the location / hotels
>>information could be placed www.europython.org ? currently it's
>>somehow duplicated.
>>    
>>
>
>I think this would make sense.
>
>  
>
>>there is also a third site involved
>>(http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006) - it is possible to put
>>a wiki on www.europython.org. 3 sites for one conference is a lot..
>>    
>>
>
>If I had infinite time, I'd attack indico until its output vaguely
>resembled that of the ep.org look and reverse proxy it into the
>www.europython.org site structure.  However I don't :)
>
>  
>

yes, at least remove the "target=new" in the "Europython Home", to avoid 
opening a new window each time.

>I think some kind of "users" wiki on europython.org is a fine idea,
>although just using python.org has an appealing lack of effort about
>it.
>
>  
>

I can set up a wiki, this is little effort.


PS: Benedikt, the current theme info is stored in a cookie. Log out to 
get the "real" site.

/JM



From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Mon Mar 20 10:08:31 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:08:31 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Paranoid Questions from an Attendee/Speaker
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0603171048m16e2976er3a0c3af301cf0272@mail.gmail.com>
References: <441AFB38.4060403@simplistix.co.uk>
	<7be3f35d0603171048m16e2976er3a0c3af301cf0272@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441E710F.3010206@simplistix.co.uk>

Hi Harald,

Harald Armin Massa wrote:
>> Are there any conference dinners or the like that I should make sure I'm
>> around for?
> 
> Yes, there is a conference dinner, and it is allready within the time table
> available in that CERN software.

Yep, I think I ticked that box, eventually...

> Also, I remember there being talk of a tour around CERN. Is this still
>> on? If so, how do I sign up for it?
> 
> The sign up is within the registration form. That should be on the day
> after, that is 2006-07-06.

Okay, so I guess I should be looking to leave on the evening of the day 
of the tour at the earliest?

Hmm, the first time I submitted my registration, I didn't even see those 
checkboxes, I did go back and fill them but who should I check with that 
I'm registered for the dinner and the tour successfully?

> Switzerland has the Swiss Frank. I learned from my last visit that
> Switzerland belongs to the Premium segment.

*chuckles*

Okay, does that mean I can live off a credit card or will I need cash?

Still interested in recommendations on hotels for the conference, and 
how to get from the hotel to the conference location...

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From mwh at python.net  Mon Mar 20 10:53:44 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:53:44 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] homepage structure
In-Reply-To: <441E778D.6080200@ita.chalmers.se> (Jean-Marc Orliaguet's
	message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:36:13 +0100")
References: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>
	<441AFBF6.3090804@ita.chalmers.se>
	<2m4q1t1q78.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441E778D.6080200@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <2mveu9zbkn.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo at ita.chalmers.se> writes:

> Michael Hudson wrote:
>
>>If I had infinite time, I'd attack indico until its output vaguely
>>resembled that of the ep.org look and reverse proxy it into the
>>www.europython.org site structure.  However I don't :)
>>
>>  
>>
>
> yes, at least remove the "target=new" in the "Europython Home", to avoid 
> opening a new window each time.

Done.

>>I think some kind of "users" wiki on europython.org is a fine idea,
>>although just using python.org has an appealing lack of effort about
>>it.
>>
>>  
>>
>
> I can set up a wiki, this is little effort.

Cool.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  > It might get my attention if you'd spin around in your chair,
  > spoke in tongues, and puked jets of green goblin goo.
  I can arrange for this.  ;-)            -- Barry Warsaw & Fred Drake

From mwh at python.net  Mon Mar 20 11:05:09 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:05:09 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:45:36
	+0100")
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:

> fredagen den 17 mars 2006 16.39 skrev Michael Hudson:
>> I have a slightly tangential question: is it EuroPython or Europython?
>> I've always tended to the former, but the poster and a few places on
>> the website say the latter.  Anyone have any strong opinions?
>
> The form I have used consistently is Europython. I prefer it before the 
> camelcase form for aesthetic reasons. 

Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Please tell me I don't have to break out sarcasm tags. Please.
  Smartassed one-liners are a coping mechanism, and I really need 
  them this week.                               -- Charles Herbig, asr

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Mon Mar 20 11:12:28 2006
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:12:28 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <20060320101228.GE26190@crater.logilab.fr>

On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 10:05:09AM +0000, Michael Hudson wrote:
> Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
> have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?

+1 EuroPython.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Mar 20 11:25:37 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:25:37 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <20060320101228.GE26190@crater.logilab.fr>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<20060320101228.GE26190@crater.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <441E8321.1010603@ita.chalmers.se>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:

>On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 10:05:09AM +0000, Michael Hudson wrote:
>  
>
>>Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
>>have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?
>>    
>>
>
>+1 EuroPython.
>
>  
>

good you volunteered to update the site, I'm sending you the login 
information in a minute.

/JM



From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Mar 20 11:42:22 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:42:22 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <441E870E.5010209@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:

>Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:
>
>  
>
>>fredagen den 17 mars 2006 16.39 skrev Michael Hudson:
>>    
>>
>>>I have a slightly tangential question: is it EuroPython or Europython?
>>>I've always tended to the former, but the poster and a few places on
>>>the website say the latter.  Anyone have any strong opinions?
>>>      
>>>
>>The form I have used consistently is Europython. I prefer it before the 
>>camelcase form for aesthetic reasons. 
>>    
>>
>
>Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
>have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?
>
>Cheers,
>mwh
>
>  
>

Michael, do as you please, consistency is most important. I can update 
some parts of the site if you need help with it..
cheers
/JM

From mwh at python.net  Mon Mar 20 12:16:56 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:16:56 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Homage layout
In-Reply-To: <200603171859.05652.jacob@strakt.com> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:59:05
	+0100")
References: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>
	<200603171859.05652.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2mmzflz7pz.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:

> To make the page look better balanced there are a couple of things that should 
> be easy to do:
>
> - Make the "Site updates" box go as far down as the "Highlights" box does. The 
> gap creates a visual dis-association between the upper part of the page and 
> the lower part.

This sounds like a good idea.

> - Do something about the empty space to the right of the WHAT-WHO-WHY boxes. 
> Either shift them to be centered on the page or put something in the space.

Another option would be to add a "WHEN" box, I guess.

> - The distance between the lower edge of the "Highlights" box and the upper 
> edge of the WHAT-WHO-WHY should be the same as the distance between the lower 
> edge of the toolbar and the upper edge of the "Site updates"- "Europython 
> 2006" - "Search this site".

This is already the case, is it not?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  The word "Fascism" has now no meaning except in so far as it
  signifies 'something not desirable'.
               -- George Orwell in "Politics and the English Language"

From mwh at python.net  Mon Mar 20 12:17:29 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:17:29 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <441E870E.5010209@ita.chalmers.se> (Jean-Marc Orliaguet's
	message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:42:22 +0100")
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441E870E.5010209@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <2mirq9z7p2.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo at ita.chalmers.se> writes:

> Michael Hudson wrote:
>
>>Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
>>have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?
>>
>
> Michael, do as you please, consistency is most important. I can update 
> some parts of the site if you need help with it..

I think I got them all, thanks :)

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  We've had a lot of problems going from glibc 2.0 to glibc 2.1.
  People claim binary compatibility.  Except for functions they
  don't like.                       -- Peter Van Eynde, comp.lang.lisp

From mwh at python.net  Mon Mar 20 12:23:09 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:23:09 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <2mirq9z7p2.fsf@starship.python.net> (Michael Hudson's message
	of "Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:17:29 +0000")
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<441E870E.5010209@ita.chalmers.se>
	<2mirq9z7p2.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <2mek0xz7fm.fsf@starship.python.net>

Michael Hudson <mwh at python.net> writes:

> Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo at ita.chalmers.se> writes:
>
>> Michael Hudson wrote:
>>
>>>Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
>>>have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?
>>>
>>
>> Michael, do as you please, consistency is most important. I can update 
>> some parts of the site if you need help with it..
>
> I think I got them all, thanks :)

... apart from the ones in the artwork, of course, which is where this
thread started ...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Hmmm... its Sunday afternoon: I could do my work, or I could do a
  Fourier analysis of my computer's fan noise.
       -- Amit Muthu, ucam.chat (from Owen Dunn's summary of the year)

From hpk at trillke.net  Mon Mar 20 12:06:02 2006
From: hpk at trillke.net (holger krekel)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:06:02 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <20060320110602.GM7482@solar.trillke>

On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 10:05 +0000, Michael Hudson wrote:
> Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:
> 
> > fredagen den 17 mars 2006 16.39 skrev Michael Hudson:
> >> I have a slightly tangential question: is it EuroPython or Europython?
> >> I've always tended to the former, but the poster and a few places on
> >> the website say the latter.  Anyone have any strong opinions?
> >
> > The form I have used consistently is Europython. I prefer it before the 
> > camelcase form for aesthetic reasons. 
> 
> Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
> have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?

i like EuroPython better because Europython de-emphasizes Python. 

    holger

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Mar 20 12:40:45 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:40:45 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <20060320110602.GM7482@solar.trillke>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<20060320110602.GM7482@solar.trillke>
Message-ID: <441E94BD.1060704@ita.chalmers.se>

EuroPython here too.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From steve at canonical.com  Mon Mar 20 12:29:03 2006
From: steve at canonical.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:29:03 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <441E91FF.10504@canonical.com>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:
> 
>> fredagen den 17 mars 2006 16.39 skrev Michael Hudson:
>>> I have a slightly tangential question: is it EuroPython or Europython?
>>> I've always tended to the former, but the poster and a few places on
>>> the website say the latter.  Anyone have any strong opinions?
>> The form I have used consistently is Europython. I prefer it before the 
>> camelcase form for aesthetic reasons. 
> 
> Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
> have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?

I often abbreviate EuroPython to EP.  I think the style EuroPython is
more amenable to that than the style Europython.

But I think the style Europython looks more modern and business-like.
It is probably more web 2.0.  The style euroPython would be even more
web 2.0.

-- 
Steve Alexander
(What is "web 2.0" anyway?)

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Mon Mar 20 13:05:11 2006
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:05:11 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <441E91FF.10504@canonical.com>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<2my7z913o9.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net> <441E91FF.10504@canonical.com>
Message-ID: <20060320120511.GI26190@crater.logilab.fr>

On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 11:29:03AM +0000, Steve Alexander wrote:
> But I think the style Europython looks more modern and business-like.
> It is probably more web 2.0.  The style euroPython would be even more
> web 2.0.

What about renaming the language to "pythoN 3000" then ? :)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Mar 20 13:27:00 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:27:00 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Homage layout
In-Reply-To: <2mmzflz7pz.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <AA346B9F-D91D-4C3B-B2B8-EFB4BB22A2B0@cern.ch>	<200603171859.05652.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mmzflz7pz.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <441E9F94.3090001@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:

>  
>
>>- Do something about the empty space to the right of the WHAT-WHO-WHY boxes. 
>>Either shift them to be centered on the page or put something in the space.
>>    
>>
>
>Another option would be to add a "WHEN" box, I guess.
>
>  
>

well, the "when" is in the banner already?

I noticed that having some space left on the front page for inserting 
dynamic content (images, visual links, ..) is important when the 
conference is getting nearer.

currently the left column is not used too much but they'll be more 
obvious content to put in it later on.

cheers
/JM


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From mwh at python.net  Mon Mar 20 19:44:01 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:44:01 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] indico private?
Message-ID: <2mveu9x8ge.fsf@starship.python.net>

Currently we have pages like:

http://www.europython.org/sections/tracks_and_talks/call-for-proposals

which link to:

http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceProgram.py?confId=44

which currently can't be viewed without a password.  I thought the
indico site was "ready enough" for public viewing... at any rate this
needs to be sorted out soon, because I really want to send the CFP out
by the end of the week.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  <mitiege> dash: where do you go to school?
  <tpck> mitiege: PSU
  <mitiege> tpck: didn't faassen go there too?
                                                -- from Twisted.Quotes

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon Mar 20 19:52:15 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 19:52:15 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] indico private?
In-Reply-To: <2mveu9x8ge.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <2mveu9x8ge.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200603201952.15712.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 20 March 2006 19:44, Michael Hudson wrote:
>
> http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceProgram.py?confId=44
>
> which currently can't be viewed without a password.

I don't think it can even be viewed by most people with an Indico account: 
it's still marked as private for normal users like myself.

Paul

From ms at cerenity.org  Mon Mar 20 21:16:06 2006
From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael Sparks)
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:16:06 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] europython poster
In-Reply-To: <2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <242374A6-73BC-47E6-BF84-45E7D38BBC90@cern.ch>
	<200603171845.37545.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mr74xzb1m.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200603202016.06496.ms@cerenity.org>

On Monday 20 March 2006 10:05, Michael Hudson wrote:
> Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:
> > fredagen den 17 mars 2006 16.39 skrev Michael Hudson:
> >> I have a slightly tangential question: is it EuroPython or Europython?
> >> I've always tended to the former, but the poster and a few places on
> >> the website say the latter.  Anyone have any strong opinions?
> >
> > The form I have used consistently is Europython. I prefer it before the
> > camelcase form for aesthetic reasons.
>
> Hum.  I guess I prefer the camelcase form for aesthetic reasons, so we
> have an impasse :) Does anyone else care at all?

+1 Europython.


Michael.

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue Mar 21 01:10:42 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:10:42 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Minor Web site corrections/suggestions
Message-ID: <200603210110.43150.paul@boddie.org.uk>

Hello all,

The EuroPython Web site is really coming along now, but here are some minor, 
nagging-level corrections for some of the information on there:

The spelling of "accomodation" should be fixed to be "accommodation"; this 
affects a few pages, I guess.

On the location page [1], we might want to mention some of that information 
Chris Withers was asking about:

  * The Swiss currency is the Swiss Franc (CHF). I don't know how much roaming
    people are going to do before/during/after the conference, but it's useful
    (or perhaps comforting) to know (for those that didn't already know) that
    France and Italy both have the Euro (EUR).

  * Credit cards are usable in Switzerland (or they were when I had to use
    them there), and they have various other payment systems in use, too,
    although I imagine that some of them (eg. CASH, not actual cash!) are only
    of interest to payment fanatics and the banks. ;-)

  * Switzerland is regarded as quite expensive: a quick search for the often-
    popularised cost-of-living surveys revealed that Geneva is in the
    top ten in most cases. (Here in Norway, there was a lot of press about
    Oslo being #1, but the property markets often distort such surveys, and
    whilst Oslo sits below London in some tables [2], it did acquire the title
    of "the most expensive of the 71 cities surveyed" without rents included,
    although I hardly think I can derive any satisfaction from that.) Anyway,
    if you're aware of London, Paris, Oslo, Copenhagen, Dublin, Stockholm,
    Helsinki or Reykjavik economics, Geneva might not be a big shock. (See
    also [3].)

On the breakfast, lunch and dinner page [4], it says that the restaurant is 
open until "01:00pm" - this should, of course, be until 1:00am or 0100. Cue 
happy memories of late night bulk beer buying as a summer student. ;-)

The proposed sprints page should probably redirect to (or make way for) the 
actual sprints page on the Wiki. I seem to remember it occasionally 
redirecting for information relevant to last years conference.

Anyway, if this is the wrong place to send all this information, please let me 
know. Having taken a break from the python.org toolchain for a while, I'd be 
happy to sanity-check stuff for EuroPython. (And we should definitely retain 
the upper case E and P for consistency with prior practice, yes.)

Paul

[1] http://www.europython.org/sections/location
[2] http://www.citymayors.com/economics/expensive_cities2.html
[3] http://www.citymayors.com/economics/expensive_cities_eiu.html
[4] http://www.europython.org/sections/events/breakfast
[5] http://www.europython.org/sections/sprints_and_wiki/proposed_sprints

From mwh at python.net  Tue Mar 21 10:08:10 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:08:10 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Minor Web site corrections/suggestions
In-Reply-To: <200603210110.43150.paul@boddie.org.uk> (Paul Boddie's message
	of "Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:10:42 +0100")
References: <200603210110.43150.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2mr74wxj0l.fsf@starship.python.net>

Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:

> Hello all,
>
> The EuroPython Web site is really coming along now, but here are some minor, 
> nagging-level corrections for some of the information on there:

I believe it's traditional at this point for me to say "do you want
the rights to edit the website for yourself?" :)

> The spelling of "accomodation" should be fixed to be "accommodation"; this 
> affects a few pages, I guess.

I think I got all of these; please tell me if I missed any.

> On the location page [1], we might want to mention some of that information 
> Chris Withers was asking about:
>
>   * The Swiss currency is the Swiss Franc (CHF). ...
> 
>   * Credit cards are usable in Switzerland ...
>
>   * Switzerland is regarded as quite expensive: ...

Done.

> On the breakfast, lunch and dinner page [4], it says that the restaurant is 
> open until "01:00pm" - this should, of course, be until 1:00am or 0100. Cue 
> happy memories of late night bulk beer buying as a summer student. ;-)

Done.

> The proposed sprints page should probably redirect to (or make way for) the 
> actual sprints page on the Wiki. I seem to remember it occasionally 
> redirecting for information relevant to last years conference.

Not done yet, as I don't think there's a wiki on ep.org yet.

> Anyway, if this is the wrong place to send all this information, please let me 
> know. Having taken a break from the python.org toolchain for a while, I'd be 
> happy to sanity-check stuff for EuroPython. (And we should definitely retain 
> the upper case E and P for consistency with prior practice, yes.)

Thanks a lot!

Cheers,
mwh

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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Tue Mar 21 10:45:24 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:45:24 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] cern photos
Message-ID: <EA4A8532-DA84-4978-8468-917C00CBDF85@cern.ch>

Hi,

I have some pictures we can put on the homepage.

Two pictures of the building where the conference will take place:
http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/pictures/bat40.jpg
http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/pictures/bat40_2.jpg

The main auditorium:
http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/pictures/main.jpg

The open space for poster sessions:
http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/pictures/pas_perdus.jpg

One of the conference rooms:
http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/pictures/room_40-SS-C01.jpg

On of the rooms for sprints:
http://hegner.home.cern.ch/hegner/pictures/40-R-A10.jpg


Ciao
Benedikt

From lac at strakt.com  Wed Mar 22 13:36:36 2006
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:36:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] links to interviews
Message-ID: <200603221236.k2MCaaqU009051@theraft.strakt.com>

Strakt linked to the interviews of various strakt people over the years,
but now if you go to, for instance:

http://europython.zope.nl/2002/interviews/entries/laura_creighton

you get to the Europython home page.  Where are the interviews now,
and how should we refer to them?  

thanks very much,
Laura

From mwh at python.net  Wed Mar 22 20:54:14 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:54:14 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] indico private?
In-Reply-To: <2mveu9x8ge.fsf@starship.python.net> (Michael Hudson's message
	of "Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:44:01 +0000")
References: <2mveu9x8ge.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <2my7z2uuft.fsf@starship.python.net>

Michael Hudson <mwh at python.net> writes:

> Currently we have pages like:
>
> http://www.europython.org/sections/tracks_and_talks/call-for-proposals
>
> which link to:
>
> http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceProgram.py?confId=44
>
> which currently can't be viewed without a password.  I thought the
> indico site was "ready enough" for public viewing... at any rate this
> needs to be sorted out soon, because I really want to send the CFP out
> by the end of the week.

Ping!

I'm going to make the indico site public again tomorrow morning unless
someone comes up with a good reason why I shouldn't.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  One of the great skills in using any language is knowing what not
  to use, what not to say.  ... There's that simplicity thing again.
                                                       -- Ron Jeffries

From jan.ulrich at hasecke.com  Wed Mar 22 11:37:10 2006
From: jan.ulrich at hasecke.com (Jan Ulrich Hasecke)
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:37:10 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Python for Kids?
Message-ID: <18B5FE38-8700-4C4B-8509-84F38A1EF211@hasecke.com>

Hello,

I am interested to register for the europython and would like to come  
with my son. He is 13 and has started to program with python 2 years  
ago. He is interested in the game track of course. Are there any  
other events for "kids", interested in learning python?

There is a very good book around in German "Python for Kids" for  
example. Are you planning to do some beginner courses or courses for  
advanced beginners?

Sincerely
Jan Ulrich Hasecke


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From lac at strakt.com  Thu Mar 23 05:08:03 2006
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 05:08:03 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Python for Kids?
In-Reply-To: Message from Jan Ulrich Hasecke <jan.ulrich@hasecke.com> of "Wed,
	22 Mar 2006 11:37:10 +0100."
	<18B5FE38-8700-4C4B-8509-84F38A1EF211@hasecke.com> 
References: <18B5FE38-8700-4C4B-8509-84F38A1EF211@hasecke.com> 
Message-ID: <200603230408.k2N483wf023604@theraft.strakt.com>

In a message of Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:37:10 +0100, Jan Ulrich Hasecke writes:
>Hello,
>
>I am interested to register for the europython and would like to come  
>with my son. He is 13 and has started to program with python 2 years  
>ago. He is interested in the game track of course. Are there any  
>other events for "kids", interested in learning python?

Let us discuss this on edu-sig at python.org

I am a chair of the education track.  The short answer is, 'we can
do whatever we want'.  Teaching children is a currently popular
topic in edu-sig.  I wonder how many other people would bring their
children if we did something like this?

followups to edu-sig,

Laura Creighton

From aiste at pov.lt  Fri Mar 24 15:50:20 2006
From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:50:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Organisers meeting on #europython
Message-ID: <4424072C.5020609@pov.lt>

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Hello all,

We need to have another organiser meeting next week.

The points to discuss would be these:

* Finalising the website
* Deciding what contents goes on http://www.europython.org/ and what on
http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=44
* Payment solution finalisation
* Sponsors

What dates and times would be suitable for people?

I suggest Tuesday 28th of March or Thursday 30th of March 17:00 CET.

- --
Aiste Kesminaite
Managing director, Programmers of Vilnius
Phone: +370 6563 6462
Email: aiste at pov.lt
Web: www.pov.lt
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From hpk at trillke.net  Fri Mar 24 16:19:57 2006
From: hpk at trillke.net (holger krekel)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:19:57 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] press/pr responsibility ...
Message-ID: <20060324151957.GZ25586@solar.trillke>

Hi folks, 

if i look at my current involvement in various issues
including personal ones and projects i think i cannot 
and really did not fill my responsibility of caring for press/pr 
issues for EuroPython.  So i'd like to retract there 
and concentrate on co-chairing the agility track.  Sorry 
about that but i figure it's better to say it clearly 
rather now than much later. 

I briefly mailed with Paul (who also wanted/s to care a bit)
about this before and it probably makes sense to distribute
any press activities between people at hand unless there
is someone who can take a more leading role.  I will
try to help/review when and what i can and maybe my situation
relaxes a bit but it doesn't look like that at the moment. 
sorry about that. 

best, 

    holger

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Sat Mar 25 08:45:19 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:45:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] for all interested
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0603242345w372e746amadace4007d8b1924@mail.gmail.com>

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43

the six not working ways to secure a WLAN ...

please especially look at the one with the MAC-adresses and consider that
even inventors of the WWW and producers of antimatter use this.

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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Sat Mar 25 14:27:19 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:27:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] for all interested
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0603242345w372e746amadace4007d8b1924@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0603242345w372e746amadace4007d8b1924@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29322688-1294-4E2C-8E1F-69DF80ED5177@cern.ch>

> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/index.php?p=43
>
> the six not working ways to secure a WLAN ...
>
> please especially look at the one with the MAC-adresses and  
> consider that even inventors of the WWW and producers of antimatter  
> use this.
*rotfl*
 From time to time we have people showing our IT department that MAC  
filtering is a stupid thing. But you can have lots of smart people if  
just the wrong one makes the decisions
So big labs differ in no way from huge companies ;-)

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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Mar 27 00:07:42 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:07:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Authorisation - The access to this event has been
 restricted by its owner ...
Message-ID: <442710AE.3000201@egenix.com>

Hello,

I wonder why I always get the above message when clicking on any of
the proposal links on the web-site. I've registered,
but still can't get access to the proposal pages. Am I missing
something or are all these pages private ?
The web-site says: "submission opens March 15".

Thanks,
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From mal at egenix.com  Fri Mar 31 15:14:24 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:14:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Authorisation - The access to this event has been
 restricted by its owner ...
In-Reply-To: <442710AE.3000201@egenix.com>
References: <442710AE.3000201@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <442D2B30.3040205@egenix.com>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I wonder why I always get the above message when clicking on any of
> the proposal links on the web-site. I've registered,
> but still can't get access to the proposal pages. Am I missing
> something or are all these pages private ?
> The web-site says: "submission opens March 15".

Ping.

Just wanted to check whether the mailing list still works - it's
unusually quite around here.

The above problem still persists, BTW.

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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Fri Mar 31 15:29:49 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:29:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Authorisation - The access to this event has been
	restricted by its owner ...
In-Reply-To: <442D2B30.3040205@egenix.com>
References: <442710AE.3000201@egenix.com> <442D2B30.3040205@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <200603311529.49807.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Friday 31 March 2006 15:14, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> >
> > I wonder why I always get the above message when clicking on any of
> > the proposal links on the web-site. I've registered,
> > but still can't get access to the proposal pages. Am I missing
> > something or are all these pages private ?
> > The web-site says: "submission opens March 15".

[...]

> The above problem still persists, BTW.

I've registered an Indico account, but everything was still "restricted" last 
time I checked the EuroPython pages. I think Michael Hudson was prepared to 
make it all public (although accessible to registered users would be at least 
somewhat better than the current situation), but perhaps someone persuaded 
him otherwise at the last minute.

As for the submissions opening date, I'd imagine that the date is unofficial 
given that no non-IRC announcement has been made, as far as I can see.

Paul