From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Sat Jan 1 15:07:14 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Sat Jan 1 15:04:55 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] old site down - python2.1 missing In-Reply-To: <200412171225.iBHCPJ8q019758@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1> <41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se> <001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1> <41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se> <200412171225.iBHCPJ8q019758@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <41D6AE92.7070906@ita.chalmers.se> FYI, the old europython instance is down, by looking at the start script it appears that python2.1 is no longer found in /usr/local/bin/ and /usr/local/bin/ on biostabil.amaze.nl is empty /usr/local/zope/src/Zope-2.6.4-europy/start: ... exec /usr/local/bin/python2.1 $cwd/z2.py -D "$@" starting zope with /usr/bin/python2.1 z2.py -D does not help either. and /home/e/europy/zope/europy/var/stupid.log shows: 2004-12-19T08:34:28 ERROR(200) SiteError Error while logging Traceback (innermost last): File /usr/local/zope/src/Zope-2.6.4-europy/lib/python/Products/SiteErrorLog/SiteErrorLog.py, line 142, in raising (Object: error_log) File /usr/local/zope/src/Zope-2.6.4-europy/lib/python/zExceptions/ExceptionFormatter.py, line 252, in format_exception (Object: MemoryError) File /usr/local/zope/src/Zope-2.6.4-europy/lib/python/zExceptions/ExceptionFormatter.py, line 194, in formatException MemoryError /JM From ivo at amaze.nl Sat Jan 1 17:09:11 2005 From: ivo at amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk) Date: Sat Jan 1 17:09:13 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] old site down - python2.1 missing In-Reply-To: <41D6AE92.7070906@ita.chalmers.se> References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1> <41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se> <001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1> <41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se> <200412171225.iBHCPJ8q019758@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <41D6AE92.7070906@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <20050101160911.GJ3607@amaze.nl> On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 03:07:14PM +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > > FYI, the old europython instance is down, by looking at the start script > it appears that python2.1 is no longer found in /usr/local/bin/ and > /usr/local/bin/ on biostabil.amaze.nl is empty > Hi & best wishes to all, The instance (located in /home/e/europy/zope/europy) can be managed using the following commands: /usr/local/zope/bin/zopectl start europy /usr/local/zope/bin/zopectl restart europy /usr/local/zope/bin/zopectl stop europy What you're trying to do doesn't work in our setup (and never did). The 'europy.old' instance should be ignored - I don't know why it's there actually I restarted the instances, it's now up and running again. Cheers Ivo -- Drs. I.R. van der Wijk -=- Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12 Amaze 1017 RC Amsterdam, NL -=- T +31-20-4688336 F +31-20-4688337 Zope/Plone/Content Management W http://www.amaze.nl E info@amaze.nl Open Source Solutions W http://vanderwijk.info E ivo@amaze.nl Consultancy PGP http://vanderwijk.info/pgp From mail at chrisw.info Tue Jan 4 19:58:24 2005 From: mail at chrisw.info (Chris Withers) Date: Wed Jan 5 09:35:38 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting log 2004-12-20 In-Reply-To: <41D4671D.5010406@ita.chalmers.se> References: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se> <41D17201.6000805@ita.chalmers.se> <41D3FCED.9050205@simplistix.co.uk> <41D4671D.5010406@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <41DAE750.3030308@chrisw.info> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > Yes indeed, the picture may well be replaced with text or news articles > with vignettes ... to make the whole thing more dynamic - there should > be something graphical at least to make the front page attractive. As far as I know, we're not organising an art conference ;-) I'd prefer functional, clean and efficient over "pretty", every time. Just to be clear, I'd like to see the 3 very important columns that are currently at the bottom on the page moved up to the top. > I'd > like to get a newspaper-like front page layout with title + image + > intro text + link in small blocks... Yes, but be careful this doesn't just end up feeling cluttered, especially if it's cluttered with old or obscure content... cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Jan 5 11:40:10 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Wed Jan 5 11:48:09 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting log 2004-12-20 In-Reply-To: <41DAE750.3030308@chrisw.info> References: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se> <41D17201.6000805@ita.chalmers.se> <41D3FCED.9050205@simplistix.co.uk> <41D4671D.5010406@ita.chalmers.se> <41DAE750.3030308@chrisw.info> Message-ID: <41DBC40A.1000004@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> Yes indeed, the picture may well be replaced with text or news >> articles with vignettes ... to make the whole thing more dynamic - >> there should be something graphical at least to make the front page >> attractive. > > > As far as I know, we're not organising an art conference ;-) > I'd prefer functional, clean and efficient over "pretty", every time. > Yes, sure. But it doesn't have to look geeky either. most professional conferences have attractive front page that make you feel that things are happening: See for instance: - http://www.gdconf.com/ - http://www.macworldexpo.com/live/20/ - http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2004/ using the right images help draw attention to events. If you have the conference dinner coming up, just showing a picture of food or a restaurant will help you find the page faster because you are in a set of mind where you don't care about yesterday's tracks. > Just to be clear, I'd like to see the 3 very important columns that > are currently at the bottom on the page moved up to the top. > OK can you have a look here: http://europython-develop.zope.nl/?page=front2 the problem is that the title of the menu item enter in visual conflict with the titles of the boxes http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/layout2.png and unconciously you associate: NEWS with WHAT TRACKS with WHO EVENTS with WHY I reckon there should be a graphical separation between them, not necessarily the current huge picture though :-) >> I'd like to get a newspaper-like front page layout with title + image >> + intro text + link in small blocks... > > > Yes, but be careful this doesn't just end up feeling cluttered, > especially if it's cluttered with old or obscure content... > > cheers, > > Chris > The idea is that it has to be dynamic with an effective date and an expiration date. This is for keynote speeches, conference dinner, conference highlights, ... as they did on this conference: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/newspaper-layout.png news items with vignettes. cheers /JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Jan 5 12:22:37 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:30:59 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] ad rotator for zope In-Reply-To: <41DBC40A.1000004@ita.chalmers.se> References: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se> <41D17201.6000805@ita.chalmers.se> <41D3FCED.9050205@simplistix.co.uk> <41D4671D.5010406@ita.chalmers.se> <41DAE750.3030308@chrisw.info> <41DBC40A.1000004@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <41DBCDFD.2080206@ita.chalmers.se> Hi, I was thinking about the ads too: the current implementation does a javascript rotation over a series of images. It works fine it there are 4 or 5 images, but if the plan is to have many more ads I as hinted at after the last IRC meeting, then a real ad rotator would be more approriate. I've looked for such an ad rotator for Zope, but couldn't find any. I know that there is one written in php (phpAds) that www.zopera.org uses (http://php.resourceindex.com/detail/00046.html) anything similar for zope? regards /JM From tom at aragne.com Thu Jan 6 10:05:48 2005 From: tom at aragne.com (tom) Date: Thu Jan 6 10:05:52 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] back online Message-ID: <000b01c4f3ce$ed4cea70$0200a8c0@simkin> After a lot of struggle... I'm back online... If people tried to contact me, I'm sorry about this. Anyway Happy New Year. Tom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/attachments/20050106/6c283b1d/attachment.htm From ct at gocept.com Sun Jan 9 16:38:12 2005 From: ct at gocept.com (Christian Theune) Date: Sun Jan 9 16:38:18 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsors 2005 Message-ID: <1105285093.2589.1.camel@theune> Hi, I'm from gocept, a Zope/Plone specialised company from Germany. I'd like to know if there are already sponsorship plans for EP 2005 available already, so we can plan to put ourselves in this year. Cheers, Christian Theune From p.bizzarri at icube.it Mon Jan 10 14:23:50 2005 From: p.bizzarri at icube.it (Paolo Bizzarri) Date: Mon Jan 10 16:05:17 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Information on Europython 2005 Message-ID: <200501101423.50432.p.bizzarri@icube.it> Dear sir, my name is Paolo Bizzarri and I am writing on behalf of Icube, an italian Zope company. We would like to present a talk to the next Europython 2005 conference. Can you provide information ? Best regards Paolo Bizzarri -- Paolo Bizzarri - President - Icube S.r.l. Address: Via Ridolfi 15 - 56124 Pisa (PI), Italy E-mail: p.bizzarri@icube.it Web: http://www.icube.it Phone: (+39) 050 97 02 07 Fax: (+39) 050 31 36 588 From chris at simplistix.co.uk Tue Jan 11 23:55:32 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Tue Jan 11 23:55:40 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting log 2004-12-20 In-Reply-To: <41DBC40A.1000004@ita.chalmers.se> References: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se> <41D17201.6000805@ita.chalmers.se> <41D3FCED.9050205@simplistix.co.uk> <41D4671D.5010406@ita.chalmers.se> <41DAE750.3030308@chrisw.info> <41DBC40A.1000004@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <41E45964.4040007@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: >> As far as I know, we're not organising an art conference ;-) >> I'd prefer functional, clean and efficient over "pretty", every time. >> > Yes, sure. But it doesn't have to look geeky either. > > most professional conferences have attractive front page that make you > feel that things are happening: > > See for instance: > - http://www.gdconf.com/ The top image is a total waste of space. I think it makes it look tacky. That said, I think the columns below it are excellect. > - http://www.macworldexpo.com/live/20/ This timed out for me. > - http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2004/ Better, but again, a waste of space. Who wants to see stock pictures of people wit ha meaningly buzz phrase that should be in text, if it should be there at all. Again, the columns underneath are good though, and I think the sponsor placement on the right is better, more visibility for sponsors which is a good thing :-) > using the right images help draw attention to events. If you have the > conference dinner coming up, just showing a picture of food or a > restaurant will help you find the page faster because you are in a set > of mind where you don't care about yesterday's tracks. I agree, but that's not what's happening on the front page... >> Just to be clear, I'd like to see the 3 very important columns that >> are currently at the bottom on the page moved up to the top. >> > OK can you have a look here: > http://europython-develop.zope.nl/?page=front2 Much better :-) The blue of the boxes clashes with the clue of the background and the third blue of the top and bottom bars... > the problem is that the title of the menu item enter in visual conflict > with the titles of the boxes > http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/layout2.png I think letting the menu bar items shrink and seperate them by |'s will solve this... > I reckon there should be a graphical separation between them, not > necessarily the current huge picture though :-) *shrugs* I think the seperation is fine as it is, without a graphic... > The idea is that it has to be dynamic with an effective date and an > expiration date. > This is for keynote speeches, conference dinner, conference highlights, ... > > as they did on this conference: > http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/newspaper-layout.png > > news items with vignettes. I find that all pretty hard to read. I like the idea, but it's tough to make it not look like a mosaic of letters in no apparent order ;-) cheers, Chris PS: Thanks for all your hard work, I know I'm being critical, but I do appreciate how hard good graphical design is... -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From lists at mikael.jansson.be Wed Jan 12 19:27:48 2005 From: lists at mikael.jansson.be (Mikael Jansson (mailing lists)) Date: Wed Jan 12 21:02:07 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. Message-ID: <165433004861-BeMail@> Good evening everyone, I just talked to a friend who attended EP '04, and he wanted me to tell you guys that there should be a sign or such telling people _not_ to use their computers (check e-mail, irc, whatever) during sessions, as it's highly annoying, and is very disrespectful. There's precious little one can do to enforce people's computers being off other than putting up a (fairly large) sign, so I suppose that'll have to do. Comments? -- Mikael Jansson http://mikael.jansson.be From mwh at python.net Wed Jan 12 21:13:25 2005 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Wed Jan 12 21:16:29 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <165433004861-BeMail@> (Mikael Jansson's message of "Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:27:48 +0100 CET") References: <165433004861-BeMail@> Message-ID: <2mvfa2e78a.fsf@starship.python.net> "Mikael Jansson (mailing lists)" writes: > Good evening everyone, > > I just talked to a friend who attended EP '04, and he wanted me to tell > you guys that there should be a sign or such telling people _not_ to > use their computers (check e-mail, irc, whatever) during sessions, as > it's highly annoying, and is very disrespectful. Well, I have on occasion used my computer to take notes. I've also read email (quietly) during a talk, but only talks that were boring me... > There's precious little one can do to enforce people's computers being > off other than putting up a (fairly large) sign, so I suppose that'll > have to do. Well, I dunno if this is worth jumping up and down over. ISTM that you could put up a sign at the entrance saying "Please behave like a reasonable, civilized human being". Others may have stronger views... Cheers, mwh -- Richard Gabriel was wrong: worse is not better, lying is better. Languages and systems succeed in the marketplace to the extent that their proponents lie about what they can do. -- Tim Bradshaw, comp.lang.lisp From tom.hoffman at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 23:59:28 2005 From: tom.hoffman at gmail.com (Tom Hoffman) Date: Wed Jan 12 23:59:30 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Education Track Chair Message-ID: <92de6c880501121459196c5c7e@mail.gmail.com> I'd like to volunteer to chair the education track for EuroPython this year. I've succeeded Steve Alexander as manager of the SchoolTool project--which is a Zope 3 based administrative framework for schools. I also have worked as an English teacher and technology coordinator in Providence, Rhode Island, USA. I wrote several different Zope and Python based administrative tools for our high school. I've also got a masters in teaching English from Brown University and a strong background in school reform and design. I've presented at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology conference, SXSW, the National Educational Computing Conference (NECC) and the annual meeting of the American Educational Research Association. I write for eSchool News's Ed-Tech Insider blog(http://www.eschoolnews.com/eti/index.php), as well as my personal blog (http://tuttlesvc.org). I'll be happy to chair the education track, or help out in any way I can. Tom Hoffman From mal at egenix.com Thu Jan 13 19:08:23 2005 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu Jan 13 19:08:25 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <165433004861-BeMail@> References: <165433004861-BeMail@> Message-ID: <41E6B917.1030304@egenix.com> Mikael Jansson (mailing lists) wrote: > Good evening everyone, > > I just talked to a friend who attended EP '04, and he wanted me to tell > you guys that there should be a sign or such telling people _not_ to > use their computers (check e-mail, irc, whatever) during sessions, as > it's highly annoying, and is very disrespectful. > > There's precious little one can do to enforce people's computers being > off other than putting up a (fairly large) sign, so I suppose that'll > have to do. > > > Comments? +1 and I know of at least two other people who share your view. If people find blogging, irc or email more interesting than the talk, they should simply leave the talk and do as they like in the lobby. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jan 10 2005) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try mxODBC.Zope.DA for Windows,Linux,Solaris,FreeBSD for free ! :::: From mal at egenix.com Thu Jan 13 19:12:37 2005 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu Jan 13 19:12:40 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Vendor Track ? Message-ID: <41E6BA15.2020608@egenix.com> Hi, many other, more commercially oriented conferences have something called a "Vendor Track" where companies can do talks on their new products, announce cool stuff, etc. Would something like that be reasonable to have at EuroPython as well (making the conference more interesting to companies in the Python/Zope/Plone business area) ? Should this be part of the Buiness Track ? Just tossing in an idea to see what the organizers think, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jan 10 2005) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try mxODBC.Zope.DA for Windows,Linux,Solaris,FreeBSD for free ! :::: From ghum at gmx.net Thu Jan 13 21:24:38 2005 From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa) Date: Thu Jan 13 21:24:28 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <2mvfa2e78a.fsf@starship.python.net> References: <165433004861-BeMail@> <2mvfa2e78a.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <41E6D906.2080108@gmx.net> Michael Hudson schrieb: > "Mikael Jansson (mailing lists)" writes: > >>I just talked to a friend who attended EP '04, and he wanted me to tell >>you guys that there should be a sign or such telling people _not_ to >>use their computers (check e-mail, irc, whatever) during sessions, as >>it's highly annoying, and is very disrespectful. >> >Well, I have on occasion used my computer to take notes. Apart from "taking notes" I also used my computer to immediately google up information concerning the spoken words.It gave me a TOTALLY new learning experience; I was able to connect a lot of new information with information I allready know. So in fact it put my *attentiveness *and my digestion of the new information to a whole new level. And especially to be able to download "dateutil.py" WHILE Anna was talking, installing it and firing up PyCrust to IMMEDIATELY redo the examples was a very fascinating learning experience. As a speaker myself I am used to people reading newspaper, eating sweats, doing all kind of stuff during my talk. If I do care, I have to improve my presentation to wake them up. A very effective way is making jokes, the second time the crowd is laughing out loud anybody gets interesseted because NOBODY can stand to be left on the outside of laughing. I also prefer people to use IRC or ICQ to chat than speaking, because voices distract more than computers, esp. in a geeks event. Harald -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ghum.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 366 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/attachments/20050113/0e4a1cb8/ghum.vcf From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Fri Jan 14 15:07:58 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Fri Jan 14 15:18:05 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] ep2005 site join_form Message-ID: <41E7D23E.2050605@ita.chalmers.se> Hi! If you are going to work on the content of the EP2005 site, you can register already at: http://europython-develop.zope.nl/join_form The blue sections (the ones that are visible for anonymous visitors) are not the actual ones since I am awaiting the final tree structure from Strakt in which documents will be published. But still documents can be created in the personal folder and be published afterwards. see: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/join.html (requires flash) (Flexible documents are probably best suited for generic content) PS: this is not about registrering for the conference.... basically just create an account there if you are going to partipate in the creation of site content. Regards /JM From aiste at pov.lt Mon Jan 17 18:28:44 2005 From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite) Date: Mon Jan 17 18:28:50 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <41E6D906.2080108@gmx.net> References: <165433004861-BeMail@> <2mvfa2e78a.fsf@starship.python.net> <41E6D906.2080108@gmx.net> Message-ID: <41EBF5CC.4060507@pov.lt> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Harald Armin Massa wrote: | Apart from "taking notes" I also used my computer to immediately google | up information concerning the spoken words.It gave me a TOTALLY new | learning experience; I was able to connect a lot of new information with | information I allready know. So in fact it put my *attentiveness *and my | digestion of the new information to a whole new level. | | And especially to be able to download "dateutil.py" WHILE Anna was | talking, installing it and firing up PyCrust to IMMEDIATELY redo the | examples was a very fascinating learning experience. I completely agree with this. Most people comming to EP use computers on a daily basis not as a game provider or just to check email. Computer is a means of getting information right there and now and for someone like me, who needs to know things immediatelly rather than file them away and check them up later having a laptop with wifi *during* the talk is essential. Also, I no longer can take notes by hand -- can't read what I myself have written. Therefore computer is essential to be able to get any use out of the talks. | As a speaker myself I am used to people reading newspaper, eating | sweats, doing all kind of stuff during my talk. If I do care, I have to | improve my presentation to wake them up. A very effective way is making | jokes, the second time the crowd is laughing out loud anybody gets | interesseted because NOBODY can stand to be left on the outside of | laughing. So 100% true. If you can't make people interested in your talk -- get better yourself and don't blame others for that. | I also prefer people to use IRC or ICQ to chat than speaking, because | voices distract more than computers, esp. in a geeks event. That is also true. One thing that would be nice and reasonable in this case is for people using computers during talks to turn off their sounds as that is not polite and distracting to others and the speaker. - -- Aiste Kesminaite Managing director, Programmers of Vilnius Phone: +370 6563 6462 Email: aiste@pov.lt Web: www.pov.lt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB6/XLfK7m+cZVdY0RAuN9AJ9VQilMdHu1MS5iTeWimnBFGJgL7QCdFb1T qUtbcBQ+NcB5aGB6TjS/3e4= =yS+f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chris at simplistix.co.uk Mon Jan 17 18:30:05 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Mon Jan 17 18:30:34 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <41E6D906.2080108@gmx.net> References: <165433004861-BeMail@> <2mvfa2e78a.fsf@starship.python.net> <41E6D906.2080108@gmx.net> Message-ID: <41EBF61D.3060905@simplistix.co.uk> Well, I'll +1 here, since my experience has been very similar to Harald's... Chris Harald Armin Massa wrote: > Michael Hudson schrieb: > >> "Mikael Jansson (mailing lists)" writes: >> >>> I just talked to a friend who attended EP '04, and he wanted me to >>> tell you guys that there should be a sign or such telling people >>> _not_ to use their computers (check e-mail, irc, whatever) during >>> sessions, as it's highly annoying, and is very disrespectful. >>> > >Well, I have on occasion used my computer to take notes. > > Apart from "taking notes" I also used my computer to immediately google > up information concerning the spoken words.It gave me a TOTALLY new > learning experience; I was able to connect a lot of new information with > information I allready know. So in fact it put my *attentiveness *and my > digestion of the new information to a whole new level. > > And especially to be able to download "dateutil.py" WHILE Anna was > talking, installing it and firing up PyCrust to IMMEDIATELY redo the > examples was a very fascinating learning experience. > > As a speaker myself I am used to people reading newspaper, eating > sweats, doing all kind of stuff during my talk. If I do care, I have to > improve my presentation to wake them up. A very effective way is making > jokes, the second time the crowd is laughing out loud anybody gets > interesseted because NOBODY can stand to be left on the outside of > laughing. > > I also prefer people to use IRC or ICQ to chat than speaking, because > voices distract more than computers, esp. in a geeks event. > > Harald > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jacob at strakt.com Mon Jan 17 22:10:04 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Mon Jan 17 22:10:39 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Decision points and call to meeting In-Reply-To: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> Hi everyone, It is time to gather and make some important decisions about Europython 2005. I would therefore like to call to a meeting this Tursday, 20 January 2005 at 1700 CET. The place is as usual the #europython channel in the freenode IRC network. If you have anything you want to add to the agenda, send an email to the europython list as soon as possible. If you can't make the meeting, but there is something you really want to be in on, send an email to the list, and we will save it for later. Since I have heard very little on the list after my message of 8 December, I assume that a number of items will be a mere formality to decide. I have listed those first on the agenda. Items that require more discussions come later. 0. Introductions, meeting procedure 1. Dates Monday 27 June - Wednesday 29 June 2005 2. Arrangements Lunches, pub and banquet similar to last year. Laura talks to new caterer for banquet. 3. Rooms VA (150), VB(150), VR (180) and VG (70) to be reserved. (see last years site map) The big auditorium will probably not be available before 1800. I suggest extending the lunch break to 1.5 hours, to make better use of the time. 4. Keynote speakers We invite Guido again. We invite Adele Goldberg. 5. Key points in time This is my proposed timetable. Does anyone want to change anything, or add more time specifics? - 31 January - Call for talks and call for papers opens - 28 February - last day to submit proposals for refereed papers - 15 March - Registration opens - 30 April - last day to submit talk propsals - 15 May - last day of Early-bird registration - 17 June - last day of pre-registration 6. Sponsors I suggest we keep the same sponsorship costs as last year. 7. Track chairs My current list of track chairs looks as follows. Please tell me if your name is not on the list, but should be there, or if it is on the list and shouldn't. As you can see, we still have vacancies in Applications and Zope lightning talks. Tutorials/Neopythes Harald Armin Massa Harald Armin Massa Python Language Michael Hudson Michael Hudson Python Frameworks Jeremiah Foster Jeremiah Foster Zope/Plone Paul Everitt Paul Everitt Business John Pinner John Pinner Applications Vacant Refereed papers Armin Rigo Armin Rigo Science Nicolas Chauvat Nicolas Chauvat Social skills/General topics Beatrice Fontaine Beatrice Fontaine Education Aroldo Souza-Leite "Aroldo Souza-Leite" Lightning talks Anna Ravenscroft Anna Ravenscroft Zope Lightning talks Vacant 8. Breakfast We can get breakfast at the student union for SEK 50/person and day (~5.50 Euro). This would include coffee, tea, juice, yoghurt, cheese sandwich and ham sandwich. Do we want this? If we have to increase our prices remains an open question. We may save enough on cheaper locations. 9. Price structure I suggest we keep the same general structure as last year. I would like to add the following though: - Speakers who pay after the earlybird cutoff pay an extra 10 Euro. - Speakers who pay at the conference pay an extra 50 Euro. Motivation: People paying late add uncertainty and there is no real need for speakers to pay late. People paying at the conference is a real bother and have to pay a steep premium for being that late. There were several speakers paying at the conference last year and they were a hassle. 10. Refunds We did not have a refund policy last year, which was something that bit me.I had controversies with a couple of people. I would like to suggest that we have a policy of refunding everything except an administrative fee of 20 Euro for cancellations more than 30 days before the conference and make no refundds for cancellations later than that. We will allow switches of person attending until the time of arrival at the conference. This is slightly more generous than most other conferences. 11. Cheques Cheques are a big bother. We can either say that we don't accept cheques or we can attach a 100 Euro administrative fee to them. Our bank charges about 50 Euro for cacheing a foreign cheque, and it normally takes an hour of queueing to get to do it at all. 12. Website The website structure should be ready to be filled with contents. We should arrange a short sprint when we get together a number of people and get it done. Suggestions for a suitable time appreciated. 13. Registration system The registration system is ready for demonstration. I intend to hand out demo accounts and give everyone a quick walkthrough before the end of the meeting. You can then do your best to trash the demo system for a few days before we set up the real thing and go live. The registration system still needs to plug into the web payment system, but we have some time before that has to be finished. 14. Budget I still need to make a revised budget. There are some small adjustments that should be made, but I'm actually quite proud of the budget I made last year. We were not badly on the wrong side anywhere and the reason we have money in the bank is mainly because our keynote speakers were a lot cheaper than budgeted, and that we actually had many more people paying at the door than we expected. Since we can't rely on either of those factors, we should not try to make a tighter budget this year. 15. Report on email sent to all of last years attendees I wrote a better script for the mass emails. About 20 emails bounced. I will groom the list. Two volunteers for the Education track showed up. Two people sent messages saying that they wanted to be speakers and were looking forward to registration opening. Cheers Jacob From mwh at python.net Tue Jan 18 14:59:06 2005 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Tue Jan 18 14:59:08 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Decision points and call to meeting In-Reply-To: <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> ( =?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:10:04 +0100") References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <2m3bwydej9.fsf@starship.python.net> Jacob Hall?n writes: > Hi everyone, > > It is time to gather and make some important decisions about Europython 2005. > > I would therefore like to call to a meeting this Tursday, 20 January 2005 at > 1700 CET. The place is as usual the #europython channel in the freenode IRC > network. Hmm, don't think I can attend this. But I'm not sure I'd have much to say, anyway. > Since I have heard very little on the list after my message of 8 December, I > assume that a number of items will be a mere formality to decide. I suspect so, yes. > 3. Rooms > VA (150), VB(150), VR (180) and VG (70) to be reserved. (see last years site > map) > The big auditorium will probably not be available before 1800. I suggest > extending the lunch break to 1.5 hours, to make better use of the time. Good idea. Lunch was too short last year anyway. > 4. Keynote speakers > We invite Guido again. > We invite Adele Goldberg. +1 > 5. Key points in time > This is my proposed timetable. Does anyone want to change anything, or add > more time specifics? > > - 31 January - Call for talks and call for papers opens > > - 28 February - last day to submit proposals for refereed papers > > - 15 March - Registration opens > > - 30 April - last day to submit talk propsals > > - 15 May - last day of Early-bird registration > > - 17 June - last day of pre-registration All seems very reasonable to me. > 6. Sponsors > I suggest we keep the same sponsorship costs as last year. > > 7. Track chairs > My current list of track chairs looks as follows. Please tell me if your name > is not on the list, but should be there, or if it is on the list and > shouldn't. > > As you can see, we still have vacancies in Applications and Zope lightning > talks. > Python Language > Michael Hudson > Michael Hudson I'd still like to find someone else to do this... > 8. Breakfast > We can get breakfast at the student union for SEK 50/person and day (~5.50 > Euro). This would include coffee, tea, juice, yoghurt, cheese sandwich and > ham sandwich. Do we want this? If we have to increase our prices remains an > open question. We may save enough on cheaper locations. It sounds like a good idea to me, finances permitting. > 9. Price structure > I suggest we keep the same general structure as last year. I would like to add > the following though: > - Speakers who pay after the earlybird cutoff pay an extra 10 Euro. > - Speakers who pay at the conference pay an extra 50 Euro. > > Motivation: People paying late add uncertainty and there is no real need for > speakers to pay late. People paying at the conference is a real bother and > have to pay a steep premium for being that late. There were several speakers > paying at the conference last year and they were a hassle. +1 > 10. Refunds > We did not have a refund policy last year, which was something that bit me.I > had controversies with a couple of people. I would like to suggest that we > have a policy of refunding everything except an administrative fee of 20 Euro > for cancellations more than 30 days before the conference and make no > refundds for cancellations later than that. We will allow switches of person > attending until the time of arrival at the conference. This is slightly more > generous than most other conferences. Having a defined policy certainly sounds like a good idea, and these terms sound reasonable to me. > 11. Cheques > Cheques are a big bother. We can either say that we don't accept cheques or we > can attach a 100 Euro administrative fee to them. Our bank charges about 50 > Euro for cacheing a foreign cheque, and it normally takes an hour of queueing > to get to do it at all. Ouch. How many people wanted to pay by cheque? Thank you for keeping trudging on! Cheers, mwh -- Exam invigilation - it doesn't come much harder than that, esp if the book you're reading turns out to be worse than expected. -- Dirk Bruere, sci.physics.research From tom at aragne.com Wed Jan 19 00:57:54 2005 From: tom at aragne.com (tom) Date: Wed Jan 19 00:57:55 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Decision points and call to meeting References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c4fdb9$8a668c50$0300a8c0@simkin> > Hi everyone, > > It is time to gather and make some important decisions about Europython 2005. > > I would therefore like to call to a meeting this Tursday, 20 January 2005 at > 1700 CET. The place is as usual the #europython channel in the freenode IRC > network. Not sure if I can make it, but everything seems to be well under control. > If you have anything you want to add to the agenda, send an email to the > europython list as soon as possible. If you can't make the meeting, but there > is something you really want to be in on, send an email to the list, and we > will save it for later. > > Since I have heard very little on the list after my message of 8 December, I > assume that a number of items will be a mere formality to decide. I have > listed those first on the agenda. Items that require more discussions come > later. There is a subject which I would like to stress out. The first day (I believe), I noticed that some talks were cancelled. That's not funny when you want to attend these talks. I would like that possible speakers think very carefully when bringing in a paper. They've to be sure they find the time to prepare the talk before the conference starts. It is not funny to hear that a certain talk isn't given because the speaker had no time to prepare it. (ofcourse there are certain circumstances that you can't forsee) It might also be a good idea to assign to each talk a level of requirments. So that the possible listeners know that a certain talk needs some type of experience in a certain subject. Of course everybody is free to follow every talk, but it is nice to now beforehand if a talk would be usefull. Something should be done on the projectors as well. There was some trouble the first day. Perhaps lock them with some keylocks so that the projects can stay unattended in the rooms during lunchbreak? > 0. Introductions, meeting procedure > > 1. Dates > Monday 27 June - Wednesday 29 June 2005 > 2. Arrangements > Lunches, pub and banquet similar to last year. Laura talks to new caterer for > banquet. It was great. Why the need for another caterer? > 3. Rooms > VA (150), VB(150), VR (180) and VG (70) to be reserved. (see last years site > map) > The big auditorium will probably not be available before 1800. I suggest > extending the lunch break to 1.5 hours, to make better use of the time. Some rooms were very crowed last year (that happens when their is success :-) ). For instance the room in which the Zope talks were given the first day. I'm not sure how this can be solved. I'm not sure if a prequestionaire will help here (eg who will likely go to a certain talk). Do others have an idea on this? yes, this is a good idea. I still remember that it took the first day a lot of time before everybody had his/her lunch.So it is a good idea to extend it. Is it correct that both keynotes will now be handled in the auditorium? That would be great. > 4. Keynote speakers > We invite Guido again. > We invite Adele Goldberg. nice. > 5. Key points in time > This is my proposed timetable. Does anyone want to change anything, or add > more time specifics? > > - 31 January - Call for talks and call for papers opens > > - 28 February - last day to submit proposals for refereed papers > > - 15 March - Registration opens > > - 30 April - last day to submit talk propsals > > - 15 May - last day of Early-bird registration > > - 17 June - last day of pre-registration seems okay to me. > 6. Sponsors > I suggest we keep the same sponsorship costs as last year. > > 7. Track chairs > My current list of track chairs looks as follows. Please tell me if your name > is not on the list, but should be there, or if it is on the list and > shouldn't. > > As you can see, we still have vacancies in Applications and Zope lightning > talks. > > Tutorials/Neopythes > Harald Armin Massa > Harald Armin Massa > > Python Language > Michael Hudson > Michael Hudson > > Python Frameworks > Jeremiah Foster > Jeremiah Foster > > Zope/Plone > Paul Everitt > Paul Everitt > > Business > John Pinner > John Pinner > > Applications > Vacant > > Refereed papers > Armin Rigo > Armin Rigo > > Science > Nicolas Chauvat > Nicolas Chauvat > > Social skills/General topics > Beatrice Fontaine > Beatrice Fontaine > > Education > Aroldo Souza-Leite > "Aroldo Souza-Leite" > > Lightning talks > Anna Ravenscroft > Anna Ravenscroft > > Zope Lightning talks > Vacant > > 8. Breakfast > We can get breakfast at the student union for SEK 50/person and day (~5.50 > Euro). This would include coffee, tea, juice, yoghurt, cheese sandwich and > ham sandwich. Do we want this? If we have to increase our prices remains an > open question. We may save enough on cheaper locations. Mmm, is this to pay on site? Or will this increase the general conference price? People who booked a hotel mostly have breakfast at the hotel (included in the hotel fee) For people who don't stay at a hotel, this would be a great idea. But I don't think this has to be on the payrole for everybody. > 9. Price structure > I suggest we keep the same general structure as last year. I would like to add > the following though: > - Speakers who pay after the earlybird cutoff pay an extra 10 Euro. > - Speakers who pay at the conference pay an extra 50 Euro. > > Motivation: People paying late add uncertainty and there is no real need for > speakers to pay late. People paying at the conference is a real bother and > have to pay a steep premium for being that late. There were several speakers > paying at the conference last year and they were a hassle. +1 > 10. Refunds > We did not have a refund policy last year, which was something that bit me.I > had controversies with a couple of people. I would like to suggest that we > have a policy of refunding everything except an administrative fee of 20 Euro > for cancellations more than 30 days before the conference and make no > refundds for cancellations later than that. We will allow switches of person > attending until the time of arrival at the conference. This is slightly more > generous than most other conferences. Yes, it is a good idea to have a general rule on this. This would help everybody and adds an extra security. > 11. Cheques > Cheques are a big bother. We can either say that we don't accept cheques or we > can attach a 100 Euro administrative fee to them. Our bank charges about 50 > Euro for cacheing a foreign cheque, and it normally takes an hour of queueing > to get to do it at all. I wouldn't allow cheques. How many people payed for a check? 50 Euros for cacheing a foreign cheque... pfew... > 12. Website > The website structure should be ready to be filled with contents. We should > arrange a short sprint when we get together a number of people and get it > done. Suggestions for a suitable time appreciated. congrats. > 13. Registration system > The registration system is ready for demonstration. I intend to hand out demo > accounts and give everyone a quick walkthrough before the end of the meeting. > You can then do your best to trash the demo system for a few days before we > set up the real thing and go live. The registration system still needs to > plug into the web payment system, but we have some time before that has to be > finished. again congrats! > 14. Budget > I still need to make a revised budget. There are some small adjustments that > should be made, but I'm actually quite proud of the budget I made last year. > We were not badly on the wrong side anywhere and the reason we have money in > the bank is mainly because our keynote speakers were a lot cheaper than > budgeted, and that we actually had many more people paying at the door than > we expected. Since we can't rely on either of those factors, we should not > try to make a tighter budget this year. > > 15. Report on email sent to all of last years attendees > I wrote a better script for the mass emails. About 20 emails bounced. I will > groom the list. Two volunteers for the Education track showed up. Two people > sent messages saying that they wanted to be speakers and were looking forward > to registration opening. > > Cheers Regards, tom. From jacob at strakt.com Wed Jan 19 01:36:12 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Wed Jan 19 01:36:30 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Decision points and call to meeting In-Reply-To: <00bc01c4fdb9$8a668c50$0300a8c0@simkin> References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> <00bc01c4fdb9$8a668c50$0300a8c0@simkin> Message-ID: <200501190136.12788.jacob@strakt.com> Thanks for your comments, Tom. I have some things already adressed and I'm responding below. onsdagen den 19 januari 2005 00.57 skrev tom: > There is a subject which I would like to stress out. The first day (I > believe), I noticed that some talks were cancelled. That's not funny when > you want to attend these talks. I would like that possible speakers think > very carefully when bringing in a paper. They've to be sure they find the > time to prepare the talk before the conference starts. It is not funny to > hear that a certain talk isn't given because the speaker had no time to > prepare it. (ofcourse there are certain circumstances that you can't > forsee) Yes, this is a problem. I would like to adress this by asking the speakers to make their talks available on the EP website one week before the conference starts. The new conference system is designed to handle this. > It might also be a good idea to assign to each talk a level of requirments. > So that the possible listeners know that a certain talk needs some type of > experience in a certain subject. Of course everybody is free to follow > every talk, but it is nice to now beforehand if a talk would be usefull. We had this last year, but perhaps it wasn't prominent and/or fine grained enough. I'd appreciate input on how to do this. > Something should be done on the projectors as well. There was some trouble > the first day. Perhaps lock them with some keylocks so that the projects > can stay unattended in the rooms during lunchbreak? Yes, the projectors and presentation setup were a bad problem. If the speakers have their talks available in one of the following formats, we should be able to provide them with a working setup, so they don't need their own computer plugged in: OpenOffice.org OOo-compatible Powerpoint PDF HTML Apart from this the presentation machines need Python and a network connection, and possibly SSH as well. The machines and the projectors need a lockdown so we dare leave them in the rooms over lunch. Hopefully we can get keys so we can lock the rooms as well. Something we really need is a chief hardware operator. Any volunteers? > > 2. Arrangements > > Lunches, pub and banquet similar to last year. Laura talks to new caterer > for > > banquet. > > It was great. Why the need for another caterer? The vegetarians didn't think it was great, they were rather unhappy. And the chef Laura is talking to is rather eager to do the job. We really like his cooking. > > 3. Rooms > > VA (150), VB(150), VR (180) and VG (70) to be reserved. (see last years > > site > > > map) > > The big auditorium will probably not be available before 1800. I suggest > > extending the lunch break to 1.5 hours, to make better use of the time. > > Some rooms were very crowed last year (that happens when their is success > > :-) ). For instance the room in which the Zope talks were given the first > > day. I'm not sure how this can be solved. I'm not sure if a prequestionaire > will help here (eg who will likely go to a certain talk). Do others have an > idea on this? > yes, this is a good idea. I still remember that it took the first day a lot > of time before everybody had his/her lunch.So it is a good idea to extend > it. There are 2 things that I hope will make this problem go away. 1. We will swap one small room for a bigger one, same size as the Zope room of the second and third days. 2. We will ask people about what talks they are most interested in, so we can better allocate space. This is part of the new conference handling system. > > Is it correct that both keynotes will now be handled in the auditorium? > That would be great. Yes, this is correct. > > 8. Breakfast > > We can get breakfast at the student union for SEK 50/person and day > > (~5.50 Euro). This would include coffee, tea, juice, yoghurt, cheese > > sandwich and ham sandwich. Do we want this? If we have to increase our > > prices remains > > an > > > open question. We may save enough on cheaper locations. > > Mmm, is this to pay on site? Or will this increase the general conference > price? People who booked a hotel mostly have breakfast at the hotel > (included in the hotel fee) > For people who don't stay at a hotel, this would be a great idea. But I > don't think this has to be on the payrole for everybody. I can check how many breakfasts they have to serve for this to be a reasonable proposition for the Student Union, and if they need advance booking. Some people proposed having breakfast included to actively attract people to a place where you could meet others and talk outside the conference hours. Personally, I'm too grumpy before breakfast to enjoy these things, which is why I haven't made any recommendation for decision. It seems as we have 3 alternatives: a) Included in the conference price b) Provided with some loss guarantee for the Student Union, everyone pays their own way c) Skip providing breakfast > I wouldn't allow cheques. How many people payed for a check? > 50 Euros for cacheing a foreign cheque... pfew... University of Southampton sent 2 cheques. Nobody else did. The bank says it takes more than 2 hours of manual work to process a foreign cheque these days, which is why the fee is so high. In any case, they prefer all customers to use the IBAN system for currency transactions. Jacob From chris at simplistix.co.uk Wed Jan 19 10:18:07 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Wed Jan 19 10:18:25 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Decision points and call to meeting In-Reply-To: <200501190136.12788.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> <00bc01c4fdb9$8a668c50$0300a8c0@simkin> <200501190136.12788.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <41EE25CF.1090009@simplistix.co.uk> Jacob Hall?n wrote: > > Yes, this is a problem. I would like to adress this by asking the speakers to > make their talks available on the EP website one week before the conference > starts. The new conference system is designed to handle this. This is a problem for those of us who only get a chance to write our presentations while travelling to the conference (which, to be honest, is a good use of the 10 hrs travelling time ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From mal at egenix.com Thu Jan 20 13:55:02 2005 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu Jan 20 13:55:10 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <41E6D906.2080108@gmx.net> References: <165433004861-BeMail@> <2mvfa2e78a.fsf@starship.python.net> <41E6D906.2080108@gmx.net> Message-ID: <41EFAA26.1080409@egenix.com> Harald Armin Massa wrote: > Michael Hudson schrieb: > >> "Mikael Jansson (mailing lists)" writes: >> >>> I just talked to a friend who attended EP '04, and he wanted me to >>> tell you guys that there should be a sign or such telling people >>> _not_ to use their computers (check e-mail, irc, whatever) during >>> sessions, as it's highly annoying, and is very disrespectful. >>> > >Well, I have on occasion used my computer to take notes. > > Apart from "taking notes" I also used my computer to immediately google > up information concerning the spoken words.It gave me a TOTALLY new > learning experience; I was able to connect a lot of new information with > information I allready know. So in fact it put my *attentiveness *and my > digestion of the new information to a whole new level. > > And especially to be able to download "dateutil.py" WHILE Anna was > talking, installing it and firing up PyCrust to IMMEDIATELY redo the > examples was a very fascinating learning experience. > > As a speaker myself I am used to people reading newspaper, eating > sweats, doing all kind of stuff during my talk. If I do care, I have to > improve my presentation to wake them up. A very effective way is making > jokes, the second time the crowd is laughing out loud anybody gets > interesseted because NOBODY can stand to be left on the outside of > laughing. > > I also prefer people to use IRC or ICQ to chat than speaking, because > voices distract more than computers, esp. in a geeks event. You have a wrong view on things here: this is not about increasing *your personal* experience, but instead that of *your fellow talk attendees* who get annoyed by the click-addy-clack of your notebook keyboard (I'm not even talking about the speakers playing the Windows or KDE anthem). This may be hard to understand for some people, but in general I think we strive to make EuroPython a better experience for *everybody*, not just the geek camp and thus listen to requests like Mikael's. The same applies to things like delays due to beamer problems (setting up VNC sessions to get notebooks display a talk on the beamer), ad-hoc networks for "quick" demos, etc.: while some people may find this thrilling, the vast majority (see the results of the EPC polls) regards this as annoying. BTW, I've always wondered why people at a conference use IRC to talk to each other... isn't the whole purpose of a conference to meet each other face to face ? ;-) Looking forward to EPC 2005, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jan 20 2005) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try mxODBC.Zope.DA for Windows,Linux,Solaris,FreeBSD for free ! :::: From ghum at gmx.net Thu Jan 20 14:46:05 2005 From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Massa) Date: Thu Jan 20 14:46:07 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. References: <41EFAA26.1080409@egenix.com> Message-ID: <2059.1106228765@www1.gmx.net> Marc-Andre, > You have a wrong view on things here: this is not > about increasing *your personal* experience, but instead that of > *your fellow talk attendees* who get annoyed by the click-addy-clack > of your notebook keyboard I am not really sure if it is possible to talk about "wrong" and "correct" views on things. Quiete possible the experience of *my fellow talk attendees* is a sum of the experience of every single talk attendee; at least in all the usual "utility"-discussions the common utility is calculated as the sum of the individual utilites. And you are very correct: some might be annoyed by the sound of keyboards. Others may be annoyed about the sound of a pen scraping accross the paper; or the sound of someone sleeping. I assume that Europython is a conference about software and business and interaction; not about quiet listening to Operas or work of culture. And I really want to ask if we have a community that can't stand the usage of computers during talks. Will people be forced to use tablet-pcs? I am sure Microsoft and Toshiba would really enjoy that boost. > This may be hard to understand for some people, but in general > I think we strive to make EuroPython a better experience for > *everybody*, not just the geek camp and thus listen to requests > like Mikael's. I am quite positive about listening to every request. At the same time not only the people annoyed about keyboard-klicks should be allowed to speak up, but also the people who really improve there experience by using notebooks. If the sum of negative utility of attendees who get annoyed by keyboard-klicking is greater than the positive utility of attendees who are able to improve there experience by using computers, I am all positive to restrict myself. But if the cummulated negative utility of "annoyed people" is smaller than the positive utility, I would really not recommend to do a decision which lowers the total utility of the conference. >(I'm not even talking about the > speakers playing the Windows or KDE anthem). My impression is that we all agree on that; speakers should be off as well as mobile phones should be off. > The same applies to things like delays due to beamer problems You are right; beamer problems suck. But I am quite sure, that nobody really wants to have them. Nonetheless, I have attended presentation with much much bigger budgets and much much more technicans which had equal worse beamer problems. Harald Armin Massa From mathie at woss.name Thu Jan 20 14:55:05 2005 From: mathie at woss.name (Graeme Mathieson) Date: Thu Jan 20 14:55:17 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <2059.1106228765@www1.gmx.net> References: <41EFAA26.1080409@egenix.com> <2059.1106228765@www1.gmx.net> Message-ID: On 20 Jan 2005, at 13:46, Harald Massa wrote: > And you are very correct: some might be annoyed by the sound of > keyboards. I've seen a reasonable compromise at a couple of conferences I've been to: people who want to use their laptops during the presentation should sit at the back of the auditorium. And you're allowed to throw things at anybody who's computer pings. OK, I made the last bit up, but I reckon it's a great idea. :-) -- Mail: mathie@woss.name | Web: http://woss.name/ AIM: Math1e | PGP: 1024D/D72F2737 From mal at egenix.com Thu Jan 20 15:41:02 2005 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu Jan 20 15:41:11 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <2059.1106228765@www1.gmx.net> References: <41EFAA26.1080409@egenix.com> <2059.1106228765@www1.gmx.net> Message-ID: <41EFC2FE.2020808@egenix.com> Harald Massa wrote: >>This may be hard to understand for some people, but in general >>I think we strive to make EuroPython a better experience for >>*everybody*, not just the geek camp and thus listen to requests >>like Mikael's. > > I am quite positive about listening to every request. At the same time not > only the people annoyed about keyboard-klicks should be allowed to speak up, > but also the people who really improve there experience by using notebooks. > > If the sum of negative utility of attendees who get annoyed by > keyboard-klicking is greater than the positive utility of attendees who are > able to improve there experience by using computers, I am all positive to > restrict myself. > > But if the cummulated negative utility of "annoyed people" is smaller than > the positive utility, I would really not recommend to do a decision which > lowers the total utility of the conference. Fair enough. How about we ask the attendees as the opening event ? >>(I'm not even talking about the >>speakers playing the Windows or KDE anthem). > > My impression is that we all agree on that; speakers should be off as well > as mobile phones should be off. > >>The same applies to things like delays due to beamer problems > > You are right; beamer problems suck. But I am quite sure, that nobody really > wants to have them. Nonetheless, I have attended presentation with much much > bigger budgets and much much more technicans which had equal worse beamer > problems. That's no excuse (you'll always find people doing worse, but that doesn't really solve your problem :-) The "nobody really wants to have them" is a misinterpretation: The main reason we are having these problems is because speakers want to show off things on their personal tool box, instead of using notebooks provided by the track chairmen. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jan 20 2005) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try mxODBC.Zope.DA for Windows,Linux,Solaris,FreeBSD for free ! :::: From ghum at gmx.net Thu Jan 20 17:57:12 2005 From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Massa) Date: Thu Jan 20 17:57:13 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. References: <41EFC2FE.2020808@egenix.com> Message-ID: <13183.1106240232@www40.gmx.net> Marc, > Fair enough. How about we ask the attendees as the opening event ? either that or at the beginning of a talk. At least I will do that. Sth. along the lines: "I as a speaker am OK with people using Laptops, maybe to google me up or to browse porn during my talk. But to get the most for everyone out of this presentation... Could all of you who are annoyed by clicking keyboards within this talk please rise their hands? [rough counting] And now all who really enjoy to use their laptops with this talk [rough counting] Thank you very much! And, by the way: with staying you are entering a contract saying that you have to pay my drinks if your mobile phone or laptop speakers make any sound. I drink whiskey." > That's no excuse (you'll always find people doing worse, > but that doesn't really solve your problem :-) Correct. > The "nobody really wants to have them" is a misinterpretation: > The main reason we are having these problems is because speakers > want to show off things on their personal tool box, instead of > using notebooks provided by the track chairmen. I assume that people get enough utility out of using their own toolbox to be willing to suffer the pain of sucking beamers. I understand it: Armin Rigos "PyGame" based presentation was an outstanding idea; Jeff Raskin using a CAD programm to scroll through slides was another nice suggestion. Being forced to use Powerpoint or OpenOfficePresentations to fit into some rules has really no sexappeal to me. I have to suffer that restrictions in business-situation, where people expect to get Powerpoint or Excel or whatever Microsoft made them believe will save their soules. Switching to that will only move the problem from hardware to software; will the installed Version of XXX be compatible to XXX? And: it is after all a Python conference, within other things about programming. And so we should expect some real life demonstrations. I really would not like to go through the pain of installing a three-animal-application just to demo it on any trackchairs laptop ... I guess backup-beamers which get warmed up by the speaker before are a quiete easier solution. Harald From tom at aragne.com Thu Jan 20 18:39:39 2005 From: tom at aragne.com (tom) Date: Thu Jan 20 18:39:37 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. References: <41EFC2FE.2020808@egenix.com> <13183.1106240232@www40.gmx.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c4ff17$078e1820$0300a8c0@simkin> > I guess backup-beamers which get warmed up by the speaker before are a > quiete easier solution. That's a nice idea, but it is also a costly one. At Charleroi, the beamer rent was expensive. Also you need at least have the same beamers in the same room. There were some people who brought a beamer with them (thanks a lot), but to get the same beamer twice, might not be that easy. So, we could double the beamers, but this will rise the expenses. Tom From ghum at gmx.net Thu Jan 20 18:50:20 2005 From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Massa) Date: Thu Jan 20 18:50:22 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. References: <00aa01c4ff17$078e1820$0300a8c0@simkin> Message-ID: <21620.1106243420@www73.gmx.net> Tom, > > I guess backup-beamers which get warmed up by the speaker before are a > > quiete easier solution. > > That's a nice idea, but it is also a costly one. At Charleroi, the beamer > rent was expensive. Also you need at least have the same beamers in the > same room. You really do not need the same beamer twice. Just having a second beamer available helps ... the next presenter has 1 presentation of time to make his notebook work with the beamer. That being a different beamer is even more helpfull. Harald From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com Thu Jan 20 19:18:07 2005 From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Thu Jan 20 19:17:14 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Computers off during sessions. In-Reply-To: <41EFAA26.1080409@egenix.com> References: <165433004861-BeMail@> <2mvfa2e78a.fsf@starship.python.net> <41E6D906.2080108@gmx.net> <41EFAA26.1080409@egenix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2005, at 13:55, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > BTW, I've always wondered why people at a conference use > IRC to talk to each other... isn't the whole purpose of > a conference to meet each other face to face ? ;-) > Sure. Next time I have a question during a talk, I should get up, walk over to wherever the person I want to ask is sitting, and ask them the question. Or walk out to the next room where they're attending a different talk, ask the question, then return. Right? Or do you think that maybe IRC would be a quieter, less disruptive route... Or should I just go along in the dark because I didn't understand something the speaker was talking about? I've had a couple of situations where, with one simple IM, I was able to clear up some minor confusion that made a major difference in how well I understood the rest of the talk. Personally, I'd rather everyone be able to get the most out of the talks - after all, people paid to attend this conference, and presumably would like to use their laptops for just the kinds of things Harald mentioned. Yeah. Keyboards click. I have a hard time believing that at a *TECHNICAL* conference, that anyone is seriously put out by the sound of laptop keyboards. If it's an interactive, experiential-based session (such as a roleplay), then the speaker is welcome to tell folks that taking notes (regardless of method!) is not appropriate for the session. But there are very darn few of those at EuroPython. Anything else, I really consider laptops to be far less obtrusive than folks chatting (even quietly), tapping their feet or fingers or pens, flipping through the program or a book, etc etc (all of which I've seen and consider far more inconsiderate than someone simply using their laptop). Personally, I think the complaints about people using their laptops are based (consciously or subconsciously) on "moral" grounds - after all, the original comment was about it being "disrespectful", and the complaint was about checking email or doing irc, not about people taking notes. (BTW - how did they know whether I was checking email or taking notes unless they were reading over my shoulder?) Mind you - I absolutely agree with making sure mobile phones and laptops are set to "silent" mode. But, are you really proposing to forbid folks from taking notes? (remember that many folks have severe difficulty with taking notes by hand.) Just curious... Anna From tobias at netintact.se Mon Jan 24 10:42:14 2005 From: tobias at netintact.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tobias_Rundstr=F6m?=) Date: Mon Jan 24 10:42:16 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Netintact Sponsorship for EuroPython. Message-ID: <41F4C2F6.5040905@netintact.se> Hello. I represent a Swedish product development company that uses a lot of Python in our code. For exampel all integration against our product is done with Python. This means that we have a lot of customers that get in contact with Python. We would like to do something in connection with this years EuroPython. What are our options for sponsoring and seperate conferance rooms? Greetings Tobias -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you! -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com From jacob at strakt.com Sat Jan 29 14:24:37 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob Hallen) Date: Sat Jan 29 14:24:33 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2005? In-Reply-To: <20050126003226.GA4273@slinkp.com> References: <20050126003226.GA4273@slinkp.com> Message-ID: <200501291424.38406.jacob@strakt.com> Paul, thanks for your interest in Europython. We will publish information about the conference in a week or two from now. In general, I can say that the format will be very much like last year, as will the costs for attending. We will work hard on making the the quality of the arrangements even better, but for content and programme,we are fairly satisfied. We plan on inviting Guido van Rossum and Adele Goldberg as keynote speakers. Apart from that, none of the programme details are set. Best regards Jacob Hall?n Europython head organiser onsdag 26 januari 2005 01.32 skrev Paul Winkler: > Hi, > > http://www.europython.org/ has nothing about the 2005 > conference except the dates and the city. > > I need to decide very soon whether I will attend pycon DC > or the europython conference, as I cannot attend both. > But without more information about the latter, it is hard > to make such a decision. > > I imagine that others are in a similar bind. > Is there any chance that more information about EPC 2005 > will be released soon? > > Thank you! From jacob at strakt.com Sat Jan 29 14:33:01 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob Hallen) Date: Sat Jan 29 14:32:57 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Netintact Sponsorship for EuroPython. In-Reply-To: <41F4C2F6.5040905@netintact.se> References: <41F4C2F6.5040905@netintact.se> Message-ID: <200501291433.01961.jacob@strakt.com> Tobias, Thanks for your interest in sponsoring Europython. I hope you will find the sponsorship alternatives we provide attractive. We have the same conditions for becoming a sponsor as last year. You can find more information at http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/sponsors/ If you have more questions, or want to discuss planning, please feel free to contact me. Something that may interest you is that we intend to have at least one tutorial for Python newbies this year. Best regards Jacob Hall?n Europython head organiser m?ndag 24 januari 2005 10.42 skrev Tobias Rundstr?m: > Hello. > > I represent a Swedish product development company that uses a lot of > Python in our code. For exampel all integration against our product is > done with Python. This means that we have a lot of customers that get in > contact with Python. We would like to do something in connection with > this years EuroPython. > > What are our options for sponsoring and seperate conferance rooms? > > Greetings Tobias From jacob at strakt.com Sat Jan 29 14:59:29 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob Hallen) Date: Sat Jan 29 14:59:24 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Results from meeting In-Reply-To: <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <200501291459.29844.jacob@strakt.com> Here are the minutes from the meeting Tursday, 20 January 2005. I have simply added the decisions to the list of items previously published. > 1. Dates > Monday 27 June - Wednesday 29 June 2005 Agreed. > 2. Arrangements > Lunches, pub and banquet similar to last year. Laura talks to new caterer > for banquet. Agreed. > 3. Rooms > VA (150), VB(150), VR (180) and VG (70) to be reserved. (see last years > site map) > The big auditorium will probably not be available before 1800. I suggest > extending the lunch break to 1.5 hours, to make better use of the time. Agreed. If we have a large increase in attendants, we will swap VG for alarger room. > 4. Keynote speakers > We invite Guido again. > We invite Adele Goldberg. Agreed. > 5. Key points in time > This is my proposed timetable. Does anyone want to change anything, or add > more time specifics? > > - 31 January - Call for talks and call for papers opens > > - 28 February - last day to submit proposals for refereed papers > > - 15 March - Registration opens > > - 30 April - last day to submit talk propsals > > - 15 May - last day of Early-bird registration > > - 17 June - last day of pre-registration Call for talks and call for papers delayed. We will plan a mini-sprint to get the website done to the extent that it has enough content to handle call for proposals. Preliminary date for this: Tuesday 1 February. Other dates accepted. > 6. Sponsors > I suggest we keep the same sponsorship costs as last year. Agreed. > 7. Track chairs > My current list of track chairs looks as follows. Please tell me if your > name is not on the list, but should be there, or if it is on the list and > shouldn't. > > As you can see, we still have vacancies in Applications and Zope lightning > talks. > > Tutorials/Neopythes > Harald Armin Massa > Harald Armin Massa > > Python Language > Michael Hudson > Michael Hudson > > Python Frameworks > Jeremiah Foster > Jeremiah Foster > > Zope/Plone > Paul Everitt > Paul Everitt > > Business > John Pinner > John Pinner > > Applications > Vacant > > Refereed papers > Armin Rigo > Armin Rigo > > Science > Nicolas Chauvat > Nicolas Chauvat > > Social skills/General topics > Beatrice Fontaine > Beatrice Fontaine > > Education > Aroldo Souza-Leite > "Aroldo Souza-Leite" > > Lightning talks > Anna Ravenscroft > Anna Ravenscroft > > Zope Lightning talks > Vacant Michael Hudson is replaced by Samuele Pedroni as the Python Language chair. > 8. Breakfast > We can get breakfast at the student union for SEK 50/person and day (~5.50 > Euro). This would include coffee, tea, juice, yoghurt, cheese sandwich and > ham sandwich. Do we want this? If we have to increase our prices remains an > open question. We may save enough on cheaper locations. We will not include breakfast in the conference price. However, we will ask the student union to stay open for breakfast, and are willing to post a guarantee for minimum turnover. > 9. Price structure > I suggest we keep the same general structure as last year. I would like to > add the following though: > - Speakers who pay after the earlybird cutoff pay an extra 10 Euro. > - Speakers who pay at the conference pay an extra 50 Euro. > > Motivation: People paying late add uncertainty and there is no real need > for speakers to pay late. People paying at the conference is a real bother > and have to pay a steep premium for being that late. There were several > speakers paying at the conference last year and they were a hassle. Agreed. > 10. Refunds > We did not have a refund policy last year, which was something that bit > me.I had controversies with a couple of people. I would like to suggest > that we have a policy of refunding everything except an administrative fee > of 20 Euro for cancellations more than 30 days before the conference and > make no refundds for cancellations later than that. We will allow switches > of person attending until the time of arrival at the conference. This is > slightly more generous than most other conferences. Agreed. > 11. Cheques > Cheques are a big bother. We can either say that we don't accept cheques or > we can attach a 100 Euro administrative fee to them. Our bank charges about > 50 Euro for cacheing a foreign cheque, and it normally takes an hour of > queueing to get to do it at all. We will not accept cheques. > 12. Website > The website structure should be ready to be filled with contents. We should > arrange a short sprint when we get together a number of people and get it > done. Suggestions for a suitable time appreciated. Comments were made on the picture on the first page taking up too much space. Sprint to be carried out. More on this later. > 13. Registration system > The registration system is ready for demonstration. I intend to hand out > demo accounts and give everyone a quick walkthrough before the end of the > meeting. You can then do your best to trash the demo system for a few days > before we set up the real thing and go live. The registration system still > needs to plug into the web payment system, but we have some time before > that has to be finished. The registration system was presented. Test accounts available for interested parties. You can test the registration procedure at http://pbf.strakt.com:8080/ Some things need to be fixed/added: - All the tracks think they are the tutorials track. - Old data gets put in as defaults - When you have put in your registration data there will be options for paying by credit card, SWIFT/IBAN or to defer payment. In the first case, you will be directed to the credit card payment site. In the second case, you get a payment code. In the third case, you will get instructions about how you can return and pay later. (No, you can't register at early-bird rate, defer and pay the lower rate at a later point in time.) > 14. Budget > I still need to make a revised budget. There are some small adjustments > that should be made, but I'm actually quite proud of the budget I made last > year. We were not badly on the wrong side anywhere and the reason we have > money in the bank is mainly because our keynote speakers were a lot cheaper > than budgeted, and that we actually had many more people paying at the door > than we expected. Since we can't rely on either of those factors, we should > not try to make a tighter budget this year. Budget is still an outstanding issue. > 15. Report on email sent to all of last years attendees > I wrote a better script for the mass emails. About 20 emails bounced. I > will groom the list. Two volunteers for the Education track showed up. Two > people sent messages saying that they wanted to be speakers and were > looking forward to registration opening. Some more feedback has come in. Next meeting will be some time in the first week of February. Jacob Hall?n From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Sat Jan 29 15:39:53 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Sat Jan 29 15:49:59 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Results from meeting In-Reply-To: <200501291459.29844.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> <200501291459.29844.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <41FBA039.9090103@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hallen wrote: >Here are the minutes from the meeting Tursday, 20 January 2005. > >I have simply added the decisions to the list of items previously published. > > > >>12. Website >>The website structure should be ready to be filled with contents. We should >>arrange a short sprint when we get together a number of people and get it >>done. Suggestions for a suitable time appreciated. >> >> > >Comments were made on the picture on the first page taking up too much space. > >Sprint to be carried out. More on this later. > > > Hi, sorry I couldn't attend the meeting. the picture will go off, the only thing is that there should be some content to put there instead which is missing at the moment.. Anyone wanting to start filling with content can start already now by registering at http://europython-develop.zope.nl/join_form (only Laura has registered so far) or this could be done during a sprint. there is a common workspace folder called 'EP group' in which content creators can place documents and share them with on another. Otherwise documents may of course by saved in the user's own folder but other users won't be able to modify them. If there is a need for special content types / formatted document layouts (presentation of people, tracks, etc..), please make a list. It doesn't take long to create new types. Otherwise the 'Flexible document' type is well suited for all generic content. PS : I would appreciate if you could send the final site's structure. thank you /JM From jacob at strakt.com Sat Jan 29 17:53:58 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob Hallen) Date: Sat Jan 29 17:54:06 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsors 2005 In-Reply-To: <1105285093.2589.1.camel@theune> References: <1105285093.2589.1.camel@theune> Message-ID: <200501291753.59008.jacob@strakt.com> Christian, thanks for your interest in sponsoring EP2005. We will have the same options available as we did last year. You can find information about the different options at http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/sponsors/ If you have any questions, or want to discuss planning, please feel free to contact me. Best regards Jacob Hall?n Europython head organiser s?ndag 09 januari 2005 16.38 skrev Christian Theune: > Hi, > > I'm from gocept, a Zope/Plone specialised company from Germany. I'd like > to know if there are already sponsorship plans for EP 2005 available > already, so we can plan to put ourselves in this year. > > Cheers, > Christian Theune > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Sun Jan 30 19:18:55 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Sun Jan 30 19:22:57 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Results from meeting In-Reply-To: <41FBA039.9090103@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> <200501172210.04813.jacob@strakt.com> <200501291459.29844.jacob@strakt.com> <41FBA039.9090103@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <41FD250F.3060308@ita.chalmers.se> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > Jacob Hallen wrote: > >> Here are the minutes from the meeting Tursday, 20 January 2005. >> >> I have simply added the decisions to the list of items previously >> published. >> >> >> >>> 12. Website >>> The website structure should be ready to be filled with contents. We >>> should >>> arrange a short sprint when we get together a number of people and >>> get it >>> done. Suggestions for a suitable time appreciated. >>> >> >> >> Comments were made on the picture on the first page taking up too >> much space. >> >> Sprint to be carried out. More on this later. >> >> >> > > Hi, > .... > there is a common workspace folder called 'EP group' in which content > creators can place documents and share them with on another. Otherwise > documents may of course by saved in the user's own folder but other > users won't be able to modify them. > > If there is a need for special content types / formatted document > layouts (presentation of people, tracks, etc..), please make a list. > It doesn't take long to create new types. Otherwise the 'Flexible > document' type is well suited for all generic content. > Hi all, I did an animation showing content creation and submission. It is pretty straightforward. Once the document has been published, it can be moved to the "EP group" to allow others to modify it or it can be created directly there. the 'Interview' document is just an example document type. We should have more of them to make it possible later on to list all interviews, all tracks, etc later on with a simple search by meta type. see: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/content.html /JM