From jacob at strakt.com Mon Jan 12 12:17:47 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:17:52 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting Message-ID: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> Hi folks, I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are pegged for getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold a meeting to hash out a number of things. I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 CET. The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. Mail to the list if you don't know how to access this. Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the interested parties, we may have to reschedule. Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please add items to this list. - Fixing of hours for the conference - Preliminary selection of room sizes - Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference - Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs - Talks and papers - how to register - Refereed paper track - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, payment etc - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment - Lunch - ambition, cost - Coffee - ambition, costs - Conference dinner - ambition, costs - Responsible person for catering - Information for participants - when and how much - Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design - Marketing - press releases, forums - Corporate participation, sponsorship - Local volunteers - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done - Budget It is good if people put together comments before the meeting on subjects they feel strongly about, or feel they have important input on. That way we will be more efficient while on line. I will try to send input on a number of subjects myself. Cheers Jacob Hall?n From mwh at python.net Mon Jan 12 12:36:15 2004 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:36:19 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting In-Reply-To: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> ( =?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:17:47 +0100") References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <2md69pvzlc.fsf@starship.python.net> Jacob Hall?n writes: > Hi folks, > > I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are pegged for > getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold a meeting to hash > out a number of things. I concur. > I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 CET. The > forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. Mail to the list > if you don't know how to access this. > > Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems > making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the interested parties, > we may have to reschedule. It's fine (even good!) for me. I'll be there. > Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please add items > to this list. > > - Fixing of hours for the conference > - Preliminary selection of room sizes > - Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference > - Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs > - Talks and papers - how to register > - Refereed paper track > - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, payment > etc > - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment > - Lunch - ambition, cost > - Coffee - ambition, costs > - Conference dinner - ambition, costs > - Responsible person for catering > - Information for participants - when and how much > - Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design > - Marketing - press releases, forums > - Corporate participation, sponsorship > - Local volunteers > > - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done > - Budget Acommodation? Cheers, mwh -- Exam invigilation - it doesn't come much harder than that, esp if the book you're reading turns out to be worse than expected. -- Dirk Bruere, sci.physics.research From jacob at strakt.com Mon Jan 12 13:35:58 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Mon Jan 12 13:36:02 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Travel information Message-ID: <200401121935.58416.jacob@strakt.com> Here is some information for the website. I hope somebody will structure it and put it in. (I'm good at providing information, but not very good at web stuff.) Jacob _________________________________________________________________ Some of the websites below are in Swedish only, while others are in English or have a link to an English version. Regular travel Most major European airlines have flights to G?teborg. Information about the major airport, Landvetter and which companies fly there can be found at: http://www.lfv.se/site/airports/landvetter/eng/index.asp If you fly from outside Europe, you will have to change flights somewhere. Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Munich, London, Amsterdam, Stockholm and Paris are common places to change at. By boat you can travel from Kiel (http://www.steanaline.se), Newcastle (http://www.dfdsseaways.co.uk/), Kristiansand (http://www.dfdsseaways.co.uk/) and Fredrikshavn (http://www.steanaline.se). G?teborg is 3 hours from Stockholm and Copenhagen by High Speed Train, and approximately as much from Oslo, with a regular train. Summer prices on the High Speed Trains are usually decent, while they are quite expensive the rest of the year. Budget travel Virgin Express flies from Brussels http://www.virginexpress.com/ Ryanair flies from Stanstead, Glasgow and Frankfurt Hahn to G?teborg S?ve http://www.ryanair.com/ Malmo Aviation flies from Nice in summer http://www.malmoaviation.se/ Sterling flies from Milan, Oslo, Nice, Madeira and southern Spain. Rome, Crete and Barcelona are accessible through Copenhagen or Oslo. http://www.sterlingticket.com/ There are a number of charter operators flying between Sweden, southern Europe, Northern Africa, Turkey, Israel and Thailand. Some of them have spare seats for sale. It may be worth checking with these companies. If you want help locating such companies, please contact the Europython team with information on where you want to travel from. For most of these, the earlier you book, the better prices you will get. Bus is the abolutely cheapest alternative from some destinations. Svenska buss (domestic only) http://www.svenskabuss.se/ S?fflebuss (domestic, Olso, Copenhagen, Hamburg, Berlin) http://www.safflebussen.se/ Swebus Express (domestic, Norway, Denmark) http://www.swebusexpress.se/ Notes for travellers from Eastern Europe There are no low budget flights directly between Eastern Europe and G?teborg.Options to look for are flights to Oslo, Copenhagen or Stockholm, from where you have a reasonably short bus journey. There are ferries to Sockholm from Finland and Estonia and between Poland/Germany and southern Sweden. From tom at aragne.com Mon Jan 12 18:13:25 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:06:06 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <008d01c3d961$f6e73af0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> Sorry, I'm afraid I won't make it. I've some troubles fixes a nasty bug and till now it doesn't look that it will be solved. I'm in a hurry to fix is, since the customer has a deadline. I'll try to be their, but as said, I'm not sure I'll make it. Tom. Jacob Hall?n wrote: > Hi folks, > > I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are > pegged for getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold > a meeting to hash out a number of things. > > I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 > CET. The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. > Mail to the list if you don't know how to access this. > > Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have > problems making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the > interested parties, we may have to reschedule. > > Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please > add items to this list. > > - Fixing of hours for the conference > - Preliminary selection of room sizes > - Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference > - Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs > - Talks and papers - how to register > - Refereed paper track > - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, > payment etc > - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment > - Lunch - ambition, cost > - Coffee - ambition, costs > - Conference dinner - ambition, costs > - Responsible person for catering > - Information for participants - when and how much > - Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design > - Marketing - press releases, forums > - Corporate participation, sponsorship > - Local volunteers > > - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done > - Budget > > It is good if people put together comments before the meeting on > subjects they feel strongly about, or feel they have important input > on. That way we will be more efficient while on line. I will try to > send input on a number of subjects myself. > > Cheers > > Jacob Hall?n > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From tom at aragne.com Mon Jan 12 18:25:20 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Mon Jan 12 18:16:03 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <009501c3d963$5ac70d10$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> okay, nothing fancy, but the information is online and that is the most important. Regards, tom. Jacob Hall?n wrote: > Hi folks, > > I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are > pegged for getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold > a meeting to hash out a number of things. > > I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 > CET. The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. > Mail to the list if you don't know how to access this. > > Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have > problems making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the > interested parties, we may have to reschedule. > > Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please > add items to this list. > > - Fixing of hours for the conference > - Preliminary selection of room sizes > - Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference > - Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs > - Talks and papers - how to register > - Refereed paper track > - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, > payment etc > - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment > - Lunch - ambition, cost > - Coffee - ambition, costs > - Conference dinner - ambition, costs > - Responsible person for catering > - Information for participants - when and how much > - Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design > - Marketing - press releases, forums > - Corporate participation, sponsorship > - Local volunteers > > - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done > - Budget > > It is good if people put together comments before the meeting on > subjects they feel strongly about, or feel they have important input > on. That way we will be more efficient while on line. I will try to > send input on a number of subjects myself. > > Cheers > > Jacob Hall?n > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From jacob at strakt.com Mon Jan 12 20:10:53 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:11:01 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Thoughts on exhibitors Message-ID: <200401130210.53896.jacob@strakt.com> At our venue, we will have plenty of space for exhibitors. I would like to propose that we make space available on the following conditions: 1. You can have a small space for free. This includes a desk, a chair and 2 meters of wall space. You get one electric outlet (same standard as in Germany, the Netherlands etc) and access to the wireless network. You are not insured by the conference. At least one member of your organisation must be attending the conference, but you may staff your booth with non attendees. 2. You are required to keep your booth manned during certain hours. I'd like to have 6 hours when we try to have a proper trade show. Lunch break, afternoon session and an hour or so after the end of the conference day of one day is what I have in mind. You can have your booth up manned or unmanned the rest of the time - it is up to each company to decide. 3. You can rent your own seminar room at 50 Euro per hour for demonstrations, private seminars, job interviews etc. (Evening hours cost more. Ask for an offer.) 4. You can rent more space and equipment on the show floor. Prices are close to "at cost". Contact Europython for an offer. 5. You can become a sponsor of the conference. The following options are available: Gold sponsor - 2000 Euro This gives you: - Your name/link on the website - An ad in the conference program - A streamer in each conference room - A streamer in the entrance - A 15 minute talk before one of the keynotes Sponsor - 500 Euro This gives you: - Your name/link on the website - An ad in the conference program - A streamer in each conference room Advertiser - 100 Euro This gives you: - Your name/link on the website - An ad in the conference program Organising sponsor - At least 5 man days of work effort - Your name/link on the website - An ad in the conference program - A streamer in the entrance - A seminar room for 2 hours - Double exhibition space for free Special sponsor - Negotiable If you have an offer which is of mutual benefit, we are ready to hear it. Please contact the Europython organisers. 6. If you want to put on a special event, please contact the Europython organisers. 7. For planning purposes we need your decision to participate no later than 1 May 2004. Any participants joining after this date will be invoiced an administrative fee of 100 Euro, if they can be accomodated. From jacob at strakt.com Mon Jan 12 20:40:41 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:40:47 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Refereed paper track Message-ID: <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com> I would like to propose that we have a short refereed paper track with the following parameters: 1. 6-8 papers maximum accepted. You can give a regular talk (subject to regular track chair approval) even if your paper isn't accepted in the refereed track. 2. According to Laura, Alex Martelli and Armin Rigo are interested in being selection comittee. More volunteers would be welcome. 3. We currently don't have a track chair for a refereed paper track. Volunteers happily accepted. 4. If we exceed budget on the income side, we set aside a portion of the additional funds to sponsor travel for authors of selected papers. Funds are made available to the selection comittee for distribution to what they consider most interesting/worthy causes. (We know this could attract some very interesting speakers who would otherwise be unable to come.) 5. Travel subsidies have to be applied for with the paper abstract. 6. Schedule for submission to be decided by the selection comittee. 7. Refereed papers should be focused on core Python, Python modules, Python extensions or scientific applications of Python. From jacob at strakt.com Mon Jan 12 20:49:16 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Mon Jan 12 20:49:19 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speakers Message-ID: <200401130249.16221.jacob@strakt.com> I suggest that we should have 2 keynote speakers, like previous years. A couple of issues need to be determined: 1. Do we want to invite Guido? My guess is that the answer is yes, I just want to check? 2. Who else do we invite? Suggestions, please. Perks for keynote speakers: - Economy travel - Lodging up to 4 nights for one person - Full conference admittance, including conference dinner, lunches etc - Conference T-shirt, if we make some From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr Tue Jan 13 05:45:44 2004 From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue Jan 13 05:45:59 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Refereed paper track In-Reply-To: <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <20040113104544.GB4507@logilab.fr> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 02:40:41AM +0100, Jacob Hall?n wrote: > 2. According to Laura, Alex Martelli and Armin Rigo are interested in being > selection comittee. More volunteers would be welcome. > > 7. Refereed papers should be focused on core Python, Python modules, Python > extensions or scientific applications of Python. I'm volunteering. -- Nicolas Chauvat logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances From lac at strakt.com Tue Jan 13 07:31:48 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue Jan 13 07:31:59 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting In-Reply-To: Message from Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?= of "Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:17:47 +0100." <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <200401131231.i0DCVmdY006475@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> In a message of Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:17:47 +0100, Jacob Hall?n writes: >Hi folks, > >I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are pegge >d for >getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold a meeting to ha >sh >out a number of things. > >I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 CET >. The >forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. Mail to the l >ist >if you don't know how to access this. > >Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems >making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the interested part >ies, >we may have to reschedule. I will be there. > >Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please add i >tems >to this list. > >- Fixing of hours for the conference >- Preliminary selection of room sizes >- Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference >- Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs >- Talks and papers - how to register >- Refereed paper track >- Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, pay >ment >etc >- Registration for lodging - procedure, payment >- Lunch - ambition, cost >- Coffee - ambition, costs >- Conference dinner - ambition, costs >- Responsible person for catering I volunteer for that one. Wanted -- aside from a vegetarian option, do we have any other major food constraints? >- Information for participants - when and how much >- Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design >- Marketing - press releases, forums >- Corporate participation, sponsorship >- Local volunteers - Tutorials -- do we want any? anybody want to give any, anybody want some topics covered? - Sprints - Accomodations > >- Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done >- Budget > >It is good if people put together comments before the meeting on subjects > they >feel strongly about, or feel they have important input on. That way we wi >ll >be more efficient while on line. I will try to send input on a number of >subjects myself. > >Cheers > >Jacob Hall?n > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From lac at strakt.com Tue Jan 13 07:45:39 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue Jan 13 07:45:48 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Refereed paper track In-Reply-To: Message from Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?= of "Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:40:41 +0100." <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <200401131245.i0DCjeTU006528@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I had some more thoughts about this. In a message of Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:40:41 +0100, Jacob Hall?n writes: >I would like to propose that we have a short refereed paper track with th >e >following parameters: > >1. 6-8 papers maximum accepted. You can give a regular talk (subject to >regular track chair approval) even if your paper isn't accepted in the >refereed track. If we get a ton of submissions could we change this? This is shaping up into a day when we would like to hold all sessions in one auditorium -- the refereed paper track am, and lightning talks pm. But do we have a large enough space to do that? I don't think so ... > >2. According to Laura, Alex Martelli and Armin Rigo are interested in bei >ng >selection comittee. More volunteers would be welcome. > >3. We currently don't have a track chair for a refereed paper track. >Volunteers happily accepted. > >4. If we exceed budget on the income side, we set aside a portion of the >additional funds to sponsor travel for authors of selected papers. Funds >are >made available to the selection comittee for distribution to what they >consider most interesting/worthy causes. >(We know this could attract some very interesting speakers who would othe >rwise >be unable to come.) > >5. Travel subsidies have to be applied for with the paper abstract. > >6. Schedule for submission to be decided by the selection comittee. > >7. Refereed papers should be focused on core Python, Python modules, Python >extensions or scientific applications of Python. This may be too restrictive. 8. Anna Ravenscroft and I discussed holding 'paper writing tutorials' on-line where people could improve their paper writing skills, and people could get their English proof-read. All we would need is an irc-channel, and that shouldn't be hard. It would disqualify us from being a reviewer, though. 9. In any case, and even if you aren't submitting a refereed paper, your paper goes better if you write it with some peers. I think that this is a fine way to bring people together, as well. So perhaps we should organise a 'peer-finding' service so that people who desire to work this way can. 10. How long do we want these papers? 11. Do they need to be original for EP, or can papers previously submitted to other conferences apply? Laura From lac at strakt.com Tue Jan 13 07:52:14 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue Jan 13 07:52:29 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speakers In-Reply-To: Message from Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?= of "Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:49:16 +0100." <200401130249.16221.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200401130249.16221.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <200401131252.i0DCqEg5006557@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> In a message of Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:49:16 +0100, Jacob Hall?n writes: >I suggest that we should have 2 keynote speakers, like previous years. > >A couple of issues need to be determined: > >1. Do we want to invite Guido? My guess is that the answer is yes, I just > want >to check? It is not clear that he can make this; he says travelling with Orljin is difficult. On the other hand, Gbg does indeed have nice things to do for non-techies. He asked me to impress him. This leads to -- do we want a 'family option'? It might be nice to organise things for people who bring their families here. Just outlining the non-conference attractions would be a good idea. > >2. Who else do we invite? Suggestions, please. I'd like to invite Patrick Ball, the coder who caught Milosevic using Python. see: http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,51106,00.html Right now I am not sure how you find Patrick Ball. Tim Peters is another option. > >Perks for keynote speakers: >- Economy travel >- Lodging up to 4 nights for one person >- Full conference admittance, including conference dinner, lunches etc >- Conference T-shirt, if we make some > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From jacob at strakt.com Tue Jan 13 08:09:27 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Tue Jan 13 08:09:33 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting confirmed Message-ID: <200401131409.27330.jacob@strakt.com> Ok, we have enough positive replies that the IRC meeting will be held as announced, Thursday 15 January 2004, at 18.00 CET. Forum: freenode channel: #europython I will post an agenda before 16.00 CET on the day of the meeting. Jacob Hall?n From steve at z3u.com Tue Jan 13 14:01:42 2004 From: steve at z3u.com (Steve Alexander) Date: Tue Jan 13 14:01:48 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting In-Reply-To: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <20040113190141.GM23710@fridge.pov.lt> > I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 CET. > The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. Mail to > the list if you don't know how to access this. > > Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems > making it. I'll be there. -- Steve Alexander From magnus at thinkware.se Tue Jan 13 15:34:14 2004 From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka) Date: Tue Jan 13 15:34:20 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBLZXlub3RlIHNwZWFrZXJz?= Message-ID: > 2. Who else do we invite? Suggestions, please. Mitch Kapor ? Mark Shuttleworth ? -- Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65 http://www.thinkware.se/ mailto:magnus@thinkware.se From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 17:03:05 2004 From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Tue Jan 13 17:03:11 2004 Subject: Fwd: Re: [EuroPython] IRC meeting Message-ID: <20040113220305.51067.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com> --- Steve Alexander wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:01:42 +0200 > From: Steve Alexander > To: Jacob Hall?n > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] IRC meeting > CC: europython@python.org > > > I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at > 18.00 CET. > > The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. > Mail to > > the list if you don't know how to access this. > > > > Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have > problems > > making it. > > I'll be there. I expect to be there. Anna From jacob at strakt.com Tue Jan 13 17:05:06 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Tue Jan 13 17:05:20 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Some transit information for =?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6teborg?= Message-ID: <200401132305.06703.jacob@strakt.com> Again, some information for the website Glossary: gata (definate article gatan) = street v?g (v?gen) = road Korsv?gen = Crossroads, name of a place where lots of traffic comes together plats (platsen) - place, open area torg (torget) - square Arriving at S?ve - RyanAir This is a small airport located in the middle of nowhere, about 30 minutes from the city centre. There is a transit bus that leaves the airport just after all the passengers have gotten their luggage. One way fare is SEK 40, which you need to have in Swedish money. I don't think there is an ATM at this airport, but there is an exchange machine that takes Euro and ?, giving SEK (probably at a lousy rate). If you miss the bus and are on a small budget, you can walk 400m down to the throughfare and take a public bus there. It runs every 30 minutes in daytime, and it only costs SEK 20 to get you to town. Arriving at Landvetter Airport - All other airlines Landvetter is situated about 20 minutes inland from G?teborg and it is a fair sized airport. It has ATMs and a Forex exchange office. Buses to G?teborg run every 15 minutes or every 30 minutes, depending on time and day. Bus fare is SEK 60, one way. You are most likely to want to get off at Korsv?gen, which is the first stop, or Nils Ericssonterminalen, which is the last one. More about that in the part about public transit. Arriving at the Stena ferry terminal There are 2 terminals, one for ferries from Kiel and one for ferries from Fredrikshavn in Denmark. To get to a tramline, you walk about 3 blocks inland, perpendicular to the docks. Take the first tram that goes in an up-river direction. They all go to the centre of town. Public transit All public transit runs on a single coupon system. You buy coupon cards for SEK 100 each at Pressbyr?n, Tidpunkten and other marked outlets. When you travel on the coupon cards, you put in the card in the machine on the vehicle and press the correct number of tickets. Unless travelling to far out suburbs, you will always stamp 2 coupons. This is valid for 1.5 hours of unlimited travel. When boarding a new vehicle within this period of time, you put in your card and press the white button marked "BYTE" (no, it is not an octet, it means change in Swedish). If your card runs out, you pay what is left in cash to the driver (or start a new card, if you have one). You can pay a full ticket in cash, but that costs SEK 20, as opposed to SEK 13.30 with the coupon card. Owl service (after midnight) charges double rates. Information on the local transit system, including bus and tram maps, can be found at http://www.vasttrafik.se/eng/ Getting to the tourist apartments at Utlandagatan Take the 51 or 52 bus to Utlandagatan. Walk along Utlandagatan until you have a large complex of red brick buildings on your left. The rooms are somwhere in this warren. Getting to the conference venue If you are staying at the tourist apartments at Utlandagatan, the best way is to walk. This takes about 20 minutes If you are staying further away, you take trams 6, 7, 8, 10, 13 or 14, or bus 58 to the stop "Chalmers". This is the main entrance of Chalmers. Walk through the entrance portal and continue 150 meters straight ahead until you are at the conference venue You will find a map of Chalmers at http://www.chalmers.se/HyperText/Maps.html. The entrance to the conference venue is at the red arrow just below the word "Architecture". More information in English about Chalmers can be found at http://www.chalmers.se/HyperText/KortInfo-E.html. For tourist information in Swedish, English, French and German, please visit http://www.goteborg.com/. From jacob at strakt.com Tue Jan 13 20:08:28 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Tue Jan 13 20:08:32 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Very rough budget Message-ID: <200401140208.28026.jacob@strakt.com> With the attached budget, which is based on a number of assumptions that may not hold perfectly true, since we will be making decisions about them on Thursday and at meetings after that, I would propose the following price structure: Track chairs and people manning vital functions (front desk, tech support, general organisation) Free Keynote speakers Free Speakers 50 Euro(partial food cost) Students, Early bird (cutoff 1 May?) 100 Euro Early birds (cutoff 1 May?) 150 Euro Students, preregistration (cutoff 3 June?) 150 Euro Preregistration (cutoff 3 June?) 200 Euro Students, at the door 200 Euro At the door 250 Euro The calculations are based on 200 paying attendees. I have no figures for distribution between the different categories, but I am assuming that on average we will get just a little more than what a regular early bird pays. This is probably overly pessimistic, but it gives some room for error in the calculations. If we get fewer participants, we can do some savings by reducing room sizes and by reducing catering ambitions a bit. If we get more participants, some money should go to subsidising interesting speakers and some money should be saved for next year. On the scale of things, I have reduced all fees above student early bird by 50 Euro, and added a student regular fee. I considered reducing the student fees, but I think that introduces a bit of risk in my calculations. But again, these figures depend on decisions we make. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: EP_budget.sxc Type: application/vnd.sun.xml.calc Size: 6866 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/attachments/20040114/0127676d/EP_budget.bin From jacob at strakt.com Tue Jan 13 20:47:19 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Tue Jan 13 20:47:23 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Accomodation prices Message-ID: <200401140247.19083.jacob@strakt.com> I now have more specific information about the cost of accomodation at SGS Veckobost?der. In essence, their pricing depends on how long you stay. Since we will be receiving booking and payment for this lodging, such a scheme will be too complex to handle. I suggest that we require people to pay for a minimum of 3 nights and that we have a fixed price per night for 3-6 nights and a lower price for 7 nights and more (people staying for sprints or holidays) Before group discounts have been negotiated, we would have the following pricing: Bed in two bed room 3-6 nights SEK 242/night (26.50 Euro) 7+ nights SEK 172/night (19 Euro) Bed in 4 bed room 3-6 nights SEK 141/night (15.50 Euro) 7+ nights SEK 104/night (11.50 Euro) The prices assume that people stay in the same rooms and that we fill the rooms. My guess is that we can fill the cost of any gaps with the discounts negotiated. We need to have a pretty good idea of our bookings one month before the conference and have all the bookings fixed 2 weeks in advance. The one single room we have is almost twice as expensive as half a double. We need to come up with a suitable scheme for how to accept reservations. Some constraints: - We want to prioritize sprinters, who will be staying for a longer period. - We want to prioritize people on a shoestring budget. - We want to accomodate people who want to share rooms as much as possible. - It should be possible for a couple to reserve a whole 2 bed room and a family to reserve a whole 4 bed room (or for any constellation to reserve a whole room for that matter) The standard of the rooms is as follows: - Basic hotel standard furniture - Bathroom in each room - Bed linen and towels included - you make your own bed - Access to kitchen where you can have breakfast and cook meals - I think there is a small TV in each room, but who cares Cheers Jacob From magnus at thinkware.se Wed Jan 14 16:53:49 2004 From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka) Date: Wed Jan 14 16:53:53 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBTb21lIHRyYW5zaXQgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gZm9yIEf2dGVib3Jn?= Message-ID: Fr?n: Jacob Hall?n > One way fare is SEK 40, > which you need to have in Swedish money. It might be worth pointing out that Sweden isn't in Euroland, and that you need cash on all buses, but can always pay with credit cards in taxis. (I guess buses and vendor machines are among the few places where you need cash...) > Arriving at the Stena ferry terminal > There are 2 terminals, one for ferries from Kiel and one for ferries from > Fredrikshavn in Denmark. To get to a tramline, you walk about 3 blocks > inland, perpendicular to the docks. Take the first tram that goes in an > up-river direction. They all go to the centre of town. That means towards your left if you have the river behind you. I.e. cross the tracks before entering a tram. (Or you'll end up at Saltholmen, see below.) > Public transit > All public transit runs on a single coupon system. You buy coupon cards for > SEK 100 each at Pressbyr?n, Tidpunkten and other marked outlets. When you > travel on the coupon cards, you put in the card in the machine on the vehicle > and press the correct number of tickets. Unless travelling to far out > suburbs, you will always stamp 2 coupons. Note that this (SEK 13.30 i.e. roughly Eur 1.5) is even valid on the local ferries. There are some ferries that just cross the river, and others that go from the bus/tram stop at Saltholmen to the southern archipelago. See (sorry for the long URL, I actually trimmed it down a bit...) http://kartor.eniro.se/query?what=map&mop=p2&streetname=saltholmen&mapstate=4%3B1263531%3B6399615%3B0%3B1254922%3B6409030%3B1272182%3B6390220%3B&mapcomp=%3B%3B%3BSaltholmen%3B%3B%3B%3BG%F6teborg+kommun%3B%3B%3B%3B%3B1263531.0%3B6399615.0%3B0%3B0 -- Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65 http://www.thinkware.se/ mailto:magnus@thinkware.se From bea at webwitches.com Thu Jan 15 02:13:32 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Thu Jan 15 02:13:55 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting In-Reply-To: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <1074150811.25202.2.camel@ogg> On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 18:17, Jacob Hall?n wrote: [...] > Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems > making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the interested parties, > we may have to reschedule. [...] I'll be there too. -- Beatrice Fontaine From jacob at strakt.com Thu Jan 15 09:57:39 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Thu Jan 15 09:57:45 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for IRC meeting Message-ID: <200401151557.39717.jacob@strakt.com> I'd like to run the IRC meeting in a way that is as time efficient as possible. For this purpose I would like to impose the following on the meetings that we have: 1. Fixed length. For this meeting, I think it should stop at 19.30. 2. Agenda order a. Introductions - briefly say who you are and what your interest/role in Europython is b. Uncontroversial items that need formal deciding, or information needs to get spread. c. Important items that need urgent discussions/decisions d. Other items 3. Somebody writes a summary of what gets decided 4. We do not bring up any issues that are not on the agenda, unless they are urgent or we have time left over in the meeting 5. We follow the order of the agenda For this meeting, I would like to reserve a 15 minute time slot at the end for discussions on the budget and what we should charge in participation fees, even though this falls in category b or c. In the case that somebody wants to discuss an item that I have filed under category b, you just say so when the item comes up. In this case, we leave the item and come back to it later during the meeting, or postpone it until a later meeting. AGENDA A. Introductions (10 minutes) B. Information/Decision items (10 minutes) - Fixing of hours for the conference - Preliminary selection of room sizes - Local volunteers - Responsible person for catering - Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference - Corporate participation, sponsorship C. Urgent discussion items - Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design - Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs - Talks and papers - how to register - Refereed paper track - Keynote speakers - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, payment etc - Information for participants - when and how much - Accomodation - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment D Other items (we reserve a minimum of 10 minutes) - Marketing - press releases, forums - Lunch - ambition, cost - Coffee - ambition, costs - Conference dinner - ambition, costs - Tutorials - Sprints E. Urgent itmes, left until last (15 minutes) - Budget - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done From jacob at strakt.com Thu Jan 15 14:29:07 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Thu Jan 15 14:29:19 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Next meeting Message-ID: <200401152029.07954.jacob@strakt.com> We had a successful meeting today, though we only managed to do part of the agenda. Next general meeting is set to Tuesday 20 January at 18.00 CET. There is a web subcommittee meeting Friday 16 January at 17.00 on the #europython channel. You can read more about times, who is doing things and a log of thw whole meeting at http://z3u.com/ep2004/. I'll soon be back with minutes of the decisions. Jacob From steve at z3u.com Thu Jan 15 21:42:43 2004 From: steve at z3u.com (Steve Alexander) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:42:51 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers Message-ID: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> Hi folks, I spoke to Tim Peters earlier today about being a keynote speaker at EuroPython this year. Unfortunately for us, he isn't available. I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark? If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather than later. -- Steve Alexander From lac at strakt.com Thu Jan 15 21:57:36 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:57:46 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers In-Reply-To: Message from Steve Alexander of "Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:42:43 +0200." <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> Message-ID: <200401160257.i0G2vaTT015217@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> In a message of Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:42:43 +0200, Steve Alexander writes: >Hi folks, > >I spoke to Tim Peters earlier today about being a keynote speaker at >EuroPython this year. Unfortunately for us, he isn't available. > >I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote >speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark? >If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather >than later. > >-- >Steve Alexander > +1 on inviting Mark Shuttleworth. Find out if he wants to attend a Sprint as well as the con... Laura From mwh at python.net Fri Jan 16 04:53:03 2004 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Fri Jan 16 04:53:07 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers In-Reply-To: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> (Steve Alexander's message of "Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:42:43 +0200") References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> Message-ID: <2moet4rzi8.fsf@starship.python.net> Steve Alexander writes: > Hi folks, > > I spoke to Tim Peters earlier today about being a keynote speaker at > EuroPython this year. Unfortunately for us, he isn't available. > > I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote > speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark? Yes! > If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather > than later. Cheers, mwh -- I have *both* hands clapping, but I'm still not sure it's a sound. When I tried deciding if it were a sound while clapping only one hand, I fell off my chair. -- Peter Hansen, Zen master, comp.lang.python From jacob at strakt.com Fri Jan 16 10:01:39 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:01:45 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers In-Reply-To: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> Message-ID: <200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com> On fredag 16 januari 2004 03.42, Steve Alexander wrote: > Hi folks, > > I spoke to Tim Peters earlier today about being a keynote speaker at > EuroPython this year. Unfortunately for us, he isn't available. > > I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote > speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark? > If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather > than later. I'm enthusiastic about getting Mark Shuttleworth. I'd personally like to hear what he has to say, and I hope he would attract other people to the conference. It could also help us get press coverage. Jacob From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 13:08:14 2004 From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Fri Jan 16 13:08:16 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested! Message-ID: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> The Europython webwerkers met today and had a very productive meeting. You can see the minutes of the meeting here: http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog We are looking at some changes for the new site, but first, we'd like your feedback on last year's site - contents, design, forms, etc. Think about last year's site and come visit our wiki page and let us know how you feel. Answer any or all of the following or any thing else you think we need to know: What worked? What didn't? What was particularly helpful? What was especially frustrating? How easy was it to use? How easy was it for you to update? What kinds of questions or feedback have you heard from others? YOU are the folks who've had to answer questions on the site and the forms, who had to use it, who had update it. So, we need YOU to help us make this year's site even better.Come talk to us at: http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback Feedback received by Sunday, 25 January, will have the most impact on the new design. Thank you for your help! From jacob at strakt.com Fri Jan 16 13:20:53 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Fri Jan 16 13:20:58 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] About previous minutes and next agenda Message-ID: <200401161920.53259.jacob@strakt.com> I have put up minutes of the decisions on the wiki. Below is a preliminary agenda with the items we didn't get through last time. Please post agenda items that you want to add. AGENDA A. Introductions (5 minutes) B. Information/Decision items (10 minutes) C. Urgent discussion items - Refereed paper track - Keynote speakers - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, payment etc - Accomodation - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment - Information for participants - when and how much - Budget - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done D Other items (we reserve a minimum of 10 minutes) - Marketing - press releases, forums - Lunch - ambition, cost - Coffee - ambition, costs - Conference dinner - ambition, costs - Tutorials - Sprints From tom at aragne.com Sat Jan 17 08:35:21 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Sat Jan 17 08:35:46 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Update Message-ID: <008801c3dd00$219e8040$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> added some info to the current epc site: http://www.europython.org/information/travel http://www.europython.org/information/transit http://www.europython.org/information/generalInfo From lac at strakt.com Sat Jan 17 09:14:33 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Sat Jan 17 09:14:43 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] do the web-group have their own mailing list? Message-ID: <200401171414.i0HEEXPX019169@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I want to report that on http://www.europython.org/information/transit the bus fair from Landvetter to the city centre has now gone up to 70 SEK, not 60 as written. Laura From tom at aragne.com Sat Jan 17 10:19:36 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Sat Jan 17 10:10:15 2004 Subject: [Tom] [EuroPython] do the web-group have their own mailing list? References: <200401171414.i0HEEXPX019169@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <012c01c3dd0d$575a60c0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> updated. Laura Creighton wrote: > I want to report that on http://www.europython.org/information/transit > the bus fair from Landvetter to the city centre has now gone up to > 70 SEK, not 60 as written. > > Laura > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mwh at python.net Sat Jan 17 10:45:09 2004 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Sat Jan 17 10:45:13 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested! In-Reply-To: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> (Anna Ravenscroft's message of "Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:08:14 -0800 (PST)") References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2m8yk6shoa.fsf@starship.python.net> Anna Ravenscroft writes: > The Europython webwerkers met today and had a very productive meeting. > You can see the minutes of the meeting here: > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog > > We are looking at some changes for the new site, but first, we'd like > your feedback on last year's site - contents, design, forms, etc. Think > about last year's site and come visit our wiki page and let us know how > you feel. Answer any or all of the following or any thing else you > think we need to know: > What worked? Most stuff, didn't do all that much with it, though. > What didn't? The specific annoyance I had with last years site was the issue of what formatting was allowed in the speaker and talk description fields. If it's feasible, I'd like to use ReST here. > What was particularly helpful? The talk matrix was funky. Are reportlab willing to do the programme generation stuff again? Someone on the webwerkers (sic) group should probably liase with them... > What was especially frustrating? The feeling that I wasn't quite sure how everything worked? > How easy was it to use? Twas OK. > How easy was it for you to update? Again, fine. It's been a while though. I seem to remember that It Would Be Nice (tm) of one could get a more informative sumamry overview of all the talks on your track -- I have memories of having about 13 browser windows open and flicking back and forth between them. Unfortunately, I'm unlikely to be able to remember what information I want on this overview until I have to do it again :-( But if you think like a track chair and remember what it is track chairs spend time doing -- trying to slot talks together, not have people give two talks one after the other, keep similar talks together, etc -- you can probably get close. > YOU are the folks who've had to answer questions on the site and the > forms, who had to use it, who had update it. So, we need YOU to help us > make this year's site even better.Come talk to us at: > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback Oh... do you want me to post this email to that page? A final peanut gallery comment is that it would be nice if the site looked different enough from previous year to be obviously a different site. Nothing drastic needed here, though. Cheers, mwh -- Those who have deviant punctuation desires should take care of their own perverted needs. -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp From denis at aragne.com Sun Jan 18 00:35:45 2004 From: denis at aragne.com (Denis) Date: Sun Jan 18 00:35:46 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Got this in my mail today. In-Reply-To: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net> Le Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 10:08:54AM +0100, Laura Creighton pianota: > > I'd be happy to see Africans at EuroPython. Don't put too much expectation there in. You will receive a bunch of mails like this one, but generally, those registrations are *very* unsure. The same from Nigeria, Rwanda or China, Tibet, etc. They just try to get a visa to leave their country. Season's greatings, Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis at aragne.com Sun Jan 18 02:30:36 2004 From: denis at aragne.com (Denis) Date: Sun Jan 18 02:30:38 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Vote results In-Reply-To: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com> References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20030903112930.GH5120@carolo.net> Le Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 05:30:48PM +0200, Jacob Hall?n pianota: > I would like to thank you for the confidence you have shown in us and > our ability to take the work of Denis, Tom and all the other people > around Charleroi and build and even better Europython conference. > We will do our very best to live up to and exceed your expectations. We expect nothing less from you. :-) The 'local Charleroi Team' wishes you all the best for the organization. We feel like having a baby child who has grown up and leaves the family: at the same time, a little bit sad, but also happy and proud that he goes by his own. We are very confident in the future since we trust you in doing a excellent job. Greatings from Charleroi. Denis P.S. I already had some contacts with Bruce Eckel to be a keynote speaker for 2004. Would I direct him to you for further discussion ? -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From etienne at cs.vu.nl Sun Jan 18 03:12:21 2004 From: etienne at cs.vu.nl (Etienne Posthumus) Date: Sun Jan 18 03:12:24 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Got this in my mail today. In-Reply-To: <20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net> References: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Denis wrote: > Le Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 10:08:54AM +0100, Laura Creighton pianota: > > > > I'd be happy to see Africans at EuroPython. > > Don't put too much expectation there in. You will receive a bunch of > mails like this one, but generally, those registrations are *very* > unsure. The same from Nigeria, Rwanda or China, Tibet, etc. > > They just try to get a visa to leave their country. Sheesh, that is a bit of a blanket statement. There has been at least one African (me) at two of the past Eurpythons (2003 & 2003) and he a had really good time, learnt lots and made a lof of new contacts. Please don't paint with too large a brush. Etienne Posthumus Programmer, IIDS - Intelligent Interactive Distributed Systems http://www.iids.org/ Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam ---------------------------- From etienne at cs.vu.nl Sun Jan 18 03:13:53 2004 From: etienne at cs.vu.nl (Etienne Posthumus) Date: Sun Jan 18 03:13:58 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Got this in my mail today. In-Reply-To: References: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Etienne Posthumus wrote: > African (me) at two of the past Eurpythons (2003 & 2003) and he a had (Oops, typo, should have been 2002 & 2003. I still need to wake up and have some coffee) From lac at strakt.com Sun Jan 18 06:38:02 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Sun Jan 18 06:38:14 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Got this in my mail today. In-Reply-To: Message from Etienne Posthumus of "Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:12:21 +0100." References: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net> Message-ID: <200401181138.i0IBc2ef021465@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> In a message of Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:12:21 +0100, Etienne Posthumus writes: >On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Denis wrote: > >> Le Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 10:08:54AM +0100, Laura Creighton pianota: >> > >> > I'd be happy to see Africans at EuroPython. >> >> Don't put too much expectation there in. You will receive a bunch of >> mails like this one, but generally, those registrations are *very* >> unsure. The same from Nigeria, Rwanda or China, Tibet, etc. >> >> They just try to get a visa to leave their country. > >Sheesh, that is a bit of a blanket statement. There has been at least one >African (me) at two of the past Eurpythons (2003 & 2003) and he a had >really good time, learnt lots and made a lof of new contacts. > >Please don't paint with too large a brush. > >Etienne Posthumus >Programmer, IIDS - Intelligent Interactive Distributed Systems >http://www.iids.org/ >Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam >---------------------------- There was a very pleasant man running a small Zope company from Tunisia there last year as well as a Nigerian (I think) now working in Saudi Arabia, and of course if things go well, we will have Mark Shuttleworth here to give the keynote .... I'd like to make EuroPython _the_ international Python conference, a project which is a lot easier now that the USA has made travel so onerous. Be warned now -- some Bulgarian friends of mine, living in Canada (he is getting his Masters in csc at a university there) have now discovered that they need US visas to board a plane that lands in the USA to take on more passengers even though their final destination is in Europe and noone is allowed to disembark. On the other hand, that particular note, all in screaming upper case smells like a scam to me. (Which is why I made the joke about lower case) Fortunately, I have a way to test this. I sent a nice note back saying 'can you please tell me how you use Python?'. The originator of that note never replied to that mail ... Laura From tom at aragne.com Sun Jan 18 10:36:25 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Sun Jan 18 10:28:43 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested! References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> <2m8yk6shoa.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <005201c3ddd9$16306d20$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> > The talk matrix was funky. Are reportlab willing to do the programme > generation stuff again? Someone on the webwerkers (sic) group should > probably liase with them... hehe, thanks, although reportlab had nothing to do with the talk matrix on the website... :-) (Reportlab was responsible for everything on pdf-related and I'm sure -I hope- they are still willing to do this) I created the website talk-matrix after Guido told that the presentation of talks could be better ;-) T. From mwh at python.net Sun Jan 18 11:36:54 2004 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Sun Jan 18 11:37:03 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested! In-Reply-To: <005201c3ddd9$16306d20$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> (Tom Deprez's message of "Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:36:25 +0100") References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> <2m8yk6shoa.fsf@starship.python.net> <005201c3ddd9$16306d20$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <2mhdytqkm1.fsf@starship.python.net> "Tom Deprez" writes: >> The talk matrix was funky. Are reportlab willing to do the programme >> generation stuff again? Someone on the webwerkers (sic) group should >> probably liase with them... > > hehe, thanks, although reportlab had nothing to do with the talk matrix > on the website... :-) Um, yes, I knew that. I hope I didn't mislead anyone with that remark. > (Reportlab was responsible for everything on pdf-related and I'm sure -I > hope- they are still willing to do this) Good, I thought so too. But it would be nice to hear from them again to be sure. > I created the website talk-matrix after Guido told that the presentation > of talks could be better ;-) And there was much rejoicing! Cheers, mwh -- 39. Re graphics: A picture is worth 10K words - but only those to describe the picture. Hardly any sets of 10K words can be adequately described with pictures. -- Alan Perlis, http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html From faassen at infrae.com Mon Jan 19 10:59:48 2004 From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:00:46 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers In-Reply-To: <200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com> References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> <200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <20040119155948.GA7146@vet.uu.nl> Jacob Hall?n wrote: > On fredag 16 januari 2004 03.42, Steve Alexander wrote: > > I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote > > speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark? > > If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather > > than later. > > I'm enthusiastic about getting Mark Shuttleworth. I'd personally like to hear > what he has to say, and I hope he would attract other people to the > conference. It could also help us get press coverage. It has my vote as well, very cool. Regards, Martijn From faassen at infrae.com Mon Jan 19 11:04:52 2004 From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:05:50 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] website DNS stuff Message-ID: <20040119160452.GB7146@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I've seen Ivo at Amaze today floating around on irc asking who was responsible for the EuroPython DNS entry. Ivo can be reached at ivo@amaze.nl, or by talking to 'VladDrac' on irc. That's Thomas Reulbach. I've given Ivo his email address, but don't know whether Ivo will contact him. Thomas Reulbach's email address is: thomas@reulbach.com Ivo was claiming that if we don't change something technical mumble mumble with the DNS it'll fail next week, and we'll find out.. This has to do with some server transition at Amaze, presumably. So, web people, we need to contact Thomas Reulbach and Ivo van der Wijk about this... Regards, Martijn From thomas at reulbach.com Mon Jan 19 14:16:38 2004 From: thomas at reulbach.com (Thomas Reulbach) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:45:47 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] website DNS stuff In-Reply-To: <20040119160452.GB7146@vet.uu.nl> References: <20040119160452.GB7146@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040119201223.02e21450@pop.kundenserver.de> Hi, I guesss that won't be a problem. I'll update records this week to the IP Ivo sent me. Looking forward to Europython 2004. Thomas At 17:04 19.01.2004, Martijn Faassen wrote: >Hi there, > >I've seen Ivo at Amaze today floating around on irc asking who was responsible >for the EuroPython DNS entry. Ivo can be reached at ivo@amaze.nl, or >by talking to 'VladDrac' on irc. > >... > >Ivo was claiming that if we don't change something technical mumble mumble >with the DNS it'll fail next week, and we'll find out.. This has to do >with some server transition at Amaze, presumably. > >So, web people, we need to contact Thomas Reulbach and Ivo van der Wijk >about this... > >Regards, > >Martijn > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From tom at aragne.com Mon Jan 19 14:45:21 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Mon Jan 19 14:44:20 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] website DNS stuff References: <20040119160452.GB7146@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <013701c3dec5$f6ee1eb0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> Ivo contacted me aswell, I've forwarded the request to Thomas. T. Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > I've seen Ivo at Amaze today floating around on irc asking who was > responsible for the EuroPython DNS entry. Ivo can be reached at > ivo@amaze.nl, or > by talking to 'VladDrac' on irc. > > That's Thomas Reulbach. I've given Ivo his email address, but don't > know whether Ivo will contact him. Thomas Reulbach's email address is: > > thomas@reulbach.com > > Ivo was claiming that if we don't change something technical mumble > mumble with the DNS it'll fail next week, and we'll find out.. This > has to do > with some server transition at Amaze, presumably. > > So, web people, we need to contact Thomas Reulbach and Ivo van der > Wijk > about this... > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From steve at z3u.com Mon Jan 19 17:04:50 2004 From: steve at z3u.com (Steve Alexander) Date: Mon Jan 19 17:04:54 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers In-Reply-To: <20040119155948.GA7146@vet.uu.nl> References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> <200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com> <20040119155948.GA7146@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20040119220450.GH23143@fridge.pov.lt> > I'm enthusiastic about getting Mark Shuttleworth. I'd personally like to hear > > what he has to say, and I hope he would attract other people to the > > conference. It could also help us get press coverage. > > It has my vote as well, very cool. Mark has agreed to come and be a keynote speaker. I can be a point of contact for this, but I've also copied Jacob into the arrangements. -- Steve Alexander From ghum at gmx.net Tue Jan 20 01:52:41 2004 From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa) Date: Tue Jan 20 01:45:00 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt><200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com><20040119155948.GA7146@vet.uu.nl> <20040119220450.GH23143@fridge.pov.lt> Message-ID: <000e01c3df22$0377a280$642aa8c0@tog2> > Mark has agreed to come and be a keynote speaker. That is phantastic news! Thank you for sharing. Harald From ghum at gmx.net Tue Jan 20 01:54:34 2004 From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa) Date: Tue Jan 20 01:46:48 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] before and after Message-ID: <002101c3df22$43e30760$642aa8c0@tog2> I am prepared to book my flight. What are the activities scheduled before 2004-06-07 and after 2004-06-09 ?? Or is "in time flight" enough? 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But Gothenburg is a terrific place for a vacation, so there is no shortage of interesting and fun things we could do before and after ... Maybe we should start discussing them here. But I am at COMDEX Scandinavia this week, so now is not the time for me.... Laura From clean_actrepaying at wildmail.com Tue Jan 20 18:33:59 2004 From: clean_actrepaying at wildmail.com (Equest) Date: Tue Jan 20 08:32:35 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Don't get busted ! ! . . . . . . . . . aviary Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/attachments/20040120/54ce84af/attachment.html From dario at ita.chalmers.se Tue Jan 20 10:58:38 2004 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Tue Jan 20 10:58:49 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested! In-Reply-To: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <400D502E.4020006@ita.chalmers.se> Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > The Europython webwerkers met today and had a very productive meeting. > You can see the minutes of the meeting here: > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog Sorry I couldn't make it to the IRC meetings - I have been caught up in work recently, so I have not had the opportunity to do anythin in particular since some time before chrismtas. A quick question and reminder - I saw that there was a possibility of moving the site to plone. Are there any news on that yet? the reminder is that there previously has been some work done on a Plone based site at this address: http://europython-develop.zope.nl/epc/ Though not much has been done since the beginning of November on it. Cheers, /dario - catching up on europython -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. From bea at webwitches.com Tue Jan 20 11:08:27 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Tue Jan 20 11:08:16 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested! In-Reply-To: <400D502E.4020006@ita.chalmers.se> References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> <400D502E.4020006@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <1074614907.22952.100.camel@ogg> On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 16:58, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > > The Europython webwerkers met today and had a very productive meeting. > > You can see the minutes of the meeting here: > > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog > > Sorry I couldn't make it to the IRC meetings - I have been caught up in > work recently, so I have not had the opportunity to do anythin in > particular since some time before chrismtas. No worries, we've all been busy. You're more than welcome, anytime! > A quick question and reminder - I saw that there was a possibility of > moving the site to plone. Are there any news on that yet? Well, I'm the one who suggested it because I am not a Pythoneer and Plone is by far better in my grasp since I work on it every day. Anna also mentioned that she found the existing Europython site not very easily accessible in terms of structure (if you're not a confirmed Zoper at least) and I figured that Plone would probably be easier to come to terms with. But I suggested to submit that decision to the whole group tonight before we finalise that point. > > the reminder is that there previously has been some work done on a Plone > based site at this address: > > http://europython-develop.zope.nl/epc/ Oh cool! I had no idea! Thanks! Watcha think, Anna? > > Though not much has been done since the beginning of November on it. Well, that may change depending on what everyone has to say. > Cheers, > > /dario - catching up on europython You can catch up on IRC at 6pm CET and the webwerkers will stay on a little after that ;) ciao bea, drafted webwerker -- Beatrice Fontaine From jacob at strakt.com Tue Jan 20 15:17:17 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:17:21 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Minutes done, next meeting set Message-ID: <200401202117.17362.jacob@strakt.com> The minutes from the general meeting today have been posted on the wiki: http://z3u.com/ep2004/ Next meeting was set to Tuesday 3 February 2004, 18.00 CET - 19.30 CET. Feenode Irc-channel #europython. The following agenda items still have to be dealt with. Post any other items you want to raise. Please post ideas and whatever you know about sprints and tutorials. AGENDA A. Introductions (5 minutes) B. Information/Decision items (10 minutes) C. Urgent discussion items - Budget - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done - Marketing - press releases, forums - Tutorials - Sprints D Other items (we reserve a minimum of 10 minutes) From magnus at thinkware.se Tue Jan 20 16:57:49 2004 From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka) Date: Tue Jan 20 16:57:55 2004 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBiZWZvcmUgYW5kIGFmdGVy?= Message-ID: > I am prepared to book my flight. > > What are the activities scheduled before 2004-06-07 and after 2004-06-09 ?? When are the sprints? I agree with Laura that you ought to stay a while and enjoy the city. For those who like music, there is an outdoor Metallica concert on May 30th. All 55 000 tickets were sold in two hours, but I guess there will be some sold outside Ullevi (at a price...) and they'll probably play loud enough for you to hear them well outside the arena! You can bet that there will be a lot of heavy metal music and a lot lot of people in G?teborg that weekend. (If you do plan to come that early, you should really book now. I'm sure the Metallica fans will fill the budget flights.) For indoor music :), we have one of the world's best concert halls, see www.gso.se. On June 3rd, the symphony orchestra plays Rossini, Rosenberg and Weber, and June 9th they play Mozart, Ravel and Debussy. On June 13th, they play outdoors (but not in a sports area--it's in a nice park). The outdoor concert is for free, but I'm sure there are still tickets for the other concerts. ;) -- Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65 http://www.thinkware.se/ mailto:magnus@thinkware.se From tom at aragne.com Tue Jan 20 18:31:07 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Tue Jan 20 18:21:33 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Minutes done, next meeting set References: <200401202117.17362.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <00a701c3dfad$7b67ead0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> Jacob Hall?n wrote: > The minutes from the general meeting today have been posted on the > wiki: http://z3u.com/ep2004/ > > Next meeting was set to Tuesday 3 February 2004, 18.00 CET - 19.30 > CET. Feenode Irc-channel #europython. That's nice, but I won't be available on Tuesdays from 18.00 CET. I don't have free time on tuesdays. Is there a way to move the meetings to another day ? If not possible (ie if it fits best for everybody else), no problem, but then I won't be able to join. Regards, Tom. From lac at strakt.com Wed Jan 21 01:49:30 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed Jan 21 01:49:40 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] refereed paper track Message-ID: <200401210649.i0L6nU4o028583@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> If we pay the airfaire for people whose papers are accepted in the refereed paper track, we need a policy for 'this paper has X authors'. Laura From bea at webwitches.com Wed Jan 21 04:13:11 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Wed Jan 21 04:10:58 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Webwerkerslog updated Message-ID: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog has been changed after yesterday's meeting. The deadline for comments on the existing site is this upcoming Sunday, January 25th. http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback The next meeting of the Webwerkers needs to happen right after that, but not on Tuesday evenings because we want Tom. This currently counts for dario, joachim, bea, anna, and tom. How are you all set for next week Monday/Thursday/Friday evening? Others are obviously also more than welcome to join. bea From dario at ita.chalmers.se Wed Jan 21 05:03:19 2004 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 05:03:30 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Webwerkerslog updated In-Reply-To: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost> References: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <400E4E67.4080408@ita.chalmers.se> Beatrice Fontaine wrote: > The next meeting of the Webwerkers needs to happen right after that, but > not on Tuesday evenings because we want Tom. > > This currently counts for dario, joachim, bea, anna, and tom. How are > you all set for next week Monday/Thursday/Friday evening? > > Others are obviously also more than welcome to join. monday evenings is best for me, even though I maybe have to bounce off now and then to get kids to bed. Other days are impossible for me and fridays I am usually too tired to think coherently :-) /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 09:13:15 2004 From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Wed Jan 21 09:13:18 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Webwerkerslog updated In-Reply-To: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20040121141315.51559.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com> --- Beatrice Fontaine wrote: > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog > > has been changed after yesterday's meeting. Sorry I missed the meeting. I was stranded in Frankfurt Hahn by the weather. > The deadline for comments on the existing site is this upcoming > Sunday, > January 25th. > > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback > > The next meeting of the Webwerkers needs to happen right after that, > but > not on Tuesday evenings because we want Tom. > > This currently counts for dario, joachim, bea, anna, and tom. How are > you all set for next week Monday/Thursday/Friday evening? I could possibly be available on Monday... I'm flying on Tuesday and wouldn't give good odds on being available until Thursday... If folks can all meet a different day, then go for it! Anna From steve at z3u.com Wed Jan 21 10:00:22 2004 From: steve at z3u.com (Steve Alexander) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:00:32 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] refereed paper track In-Reply-To: <200401210649.i0L6nU4o028583@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <200401210649.i0L6nU4o028583@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20040121150019.GI23143@fridge.pov.lt> lac@strakt.com > If we pay the airfaire for people whose papers are accepted in the > refereed paper track, we need a policy for 'this paper has X authors'. What is the policy for regular papers that have more than one author? Do all of the authors get the reduced registration fee? -- Steve Alexander From jacob at strakt.com Wed Jan 21 10:36:42 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:36:46 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] refereed paper track In-Reply-To: <20040121150019.GI23143@fridge.pov.lt> References: <200401210649.i0L6nU4o028583@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20040121150019.GI23143@fridge.pov.lt> Message-ID: <200401211636.42031.jacob@strakt.com> On onsdag 21 januari 2004 16.00, Steve Alexander wrote: > lac@strakt.com > > > If we pay the airfaire for people whose papers are accepted in the > > refereed paper track, we need a policy for 'this paper has X authors'. > > What is the policy for regular papers that have more than one author? > > Do all of the authors get the reduced registration fee? I think the policy should be that one speaker can get travel and reduced fee for each presentation. Jacob Hall?n From jacob at strakt.com Wed Jan 21 10:41:43 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:41:48 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration account details Message-ID: <200401211641.43717.jacob@strakt.com> I'd like to know a bit more about where the money that people pay to attend ends up. My take on it is this: People can pay by credit card, eurogiro or SWIFT transfer. All that money ends up in an account somewhere. 1. In who's name is this account registered? 2. Who has access to the money? 3. What fees are involved in the transfer of payments. We nned to factor this into the budget. I'm grateful for an answer from whoever knows any of these details. Jacob Hall?n From jacob at strakt.com Wed Jan 21 10:56:26 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 10:56:29 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation Message-ID: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com> We need to form a formal organisation that has its own financials for Europython, so that we are separate from anyones private economy or any company financials. This is required to protect both Europython and the people involved. It will also allow us to keep bank accounts and other infrastructure in the name of Europython. I see 2 main possibilities: 1. We form a separate non-profit organisation. 2. We form a Special Interest Group under the Python Business forum. Either way works for me. Alternative 2 involves less paper work, but creates a tie that may affect the way people view Europython. I'd like to hold a vote on this issue at the next general meeting, and I'd like to have any debate over the matter happen before the meeting, so that we don't spend time that is needed for urgent issues on a matter that could be discussed for a very long time. Since I am chairman of the PBF as well as head organiser for Europython, I have double interests. For this reason, I will not cast my vote in this matter. Once the decision is made, I will immediately start the creation of the organisation, whichever form we decide on. If we select alternative 1, I would suggest making it a non-profit society under Swedish law (like the PBF), as I have experience with doing this, have most of the templates to do the paperwork and it is a very quick process. If somebody wants to suggest another alternative, I would like to hear about that as soon as possible. Jacob Hall?n From tom at aragne.com Wed Jan 21 14:08:53 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Wed Jan 21 13:59:24 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Registration account details References: <200401211641.43717.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <006801c3e052$07a77160$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> Hi Jacob, This was how we did it: 1. OS3B had opened an account to which the SWIFT payments could be deposited. So, you could do the same? ie open an account for directly depositing money? 2. Credit card payments arrived at an account of Joachim, because of the online payment webservice he made. He can bring it over or transfert it, that's something you better discuss together. Regards, Tom. Jacob Hall?n wrote: > I'd like to know a bit more about where the money that people pay to > attend ends up. > > My take on it is this: > > People can pay by credit card, eurogiro or SWIFT transfer. All that > money ends up in an account somewhere. > > 1. In who's name is this account registered? > 2. Who has access to the money? > 3. What fees are involved in the transfer of payments. We nned to > factor this into the budget. > > I'm grateful for an answer from whoever knows any of these details. > > Jacob Hall?n > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From tom at aragne.com Wed Jan 21 14:10:38 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:03:37 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Webwerkerslog updated References: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <009d01c3e052$9e4a10a0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> Beatrice Fontaine wrote: > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog > > has been changed after yesterday's meeting. > > The deadline for comments on the existing site is this upcoming > Sunday, January 25th. > > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback > > The next meeting of the Webwerkers needs to happen right after that, > but not on Tuesday evenings because we want Tom. > > This currently counts for dario, joachim, bea, anna, and tom. How are > you all set for next week Monday/Thursday/Friday evening? Friday the best, then thursday, then wednesday, then monday. I prefer 18:00h. For mondays, I rather prefer 18:30h Regards, Tom. > Others are obviously also more than welcome to join. > > > bea > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From tom at aragne.com Wed Jan 21 14:31:38 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:22:02 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation References: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <00b301c3e055$31567ee0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> Hi, I know Denis was working on this too. It might be good if Denis could give his status on this. Regards, Tom. Jacob Hall?n wrote: > We need to form a formal organisation that has its own financials for > Europython, so that we are separate from anyones private economy or > any company financials. This is required to protect both Europython > and the people involved. > > It will also allow us to keep bank accounts and other infrastructure > in the name of Europython. > > I see 2 main possibilities: > > 1. We form a separate non-profit organisation. > > 2. We form a Special Interest Group under the Python Business forum. > > Either way works for me. Alternative 2 involves less paper work, but > creates a tie that may affect the way people view Europython. > > I'd like to hold a vote on this issue at the next general meeting, > and I'd like to have any debate over the matter happen before the > meeting, so that we don't spend time that is needed for urgent issues > on a matter that could be discussed for a very long time. > > Since I am chairman of the PBF as well as head organiser for > Europython, I have double interests. For this reason, I will not cast > my vote in this matter. > > Once the decision is made, I will immediately start the creation of > the organisation, whichever form we decide on. > > If we select alternative 1, I would suggest making it a non-profit > society under Swedish law (like the PBF), as I have experience with > doing this, have most of the templates to do the paperwork and it is > a very quick process. > If somebody wants to suggest another alternative, I would like to > hear about that as soon as possible. > > Jacob Hall?n > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From dario at ita.chalmers.se Thu Jan 22 02:17:54 2004 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Thu Jan 22 02:18:00 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation In-Reply-To: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <400F7922.2050906@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: > We need to form a formal organisation that has its own financials for > Europython, so that we are separate from anyones private economy or any > company financials. This is required to protect both Europython and the > people involved. > > It will also allow us to keep bank accounts and other infrastructure in the > name of Europython. I agree. > > I see 2 main possibilities: > > 1. We form a separate non-profit organisation. > > 2. We form a Special Interest Group under the Python Business forum. > > Either way works for me. Alternative 2 involves less paper work, but creates a > tie that may affect the way people view Europython. My preference is for forming a separate non-profit organisation for the reasons Jacob state above and because I personally think that there is a value in EPC being formally independent from other organistions. However, should the majority choose a SIG under EPBF, i can live with that too. I also agree on forming the non-profit under Swedish law since, based on what other people tell me is involved in forming non-profits in othere EU countries, I have the impression that it will keep the paper work to a minimum, while at the same time upholding the necessary legal aspects. I too have had some experience with working and forming non-profits in Sweden and it is a rather painless process once you have all your papers in order. /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. From bea at webwitches.com Thu Jan 22 02:52:07 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Thu Jan 22 02:49:45 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation In-Reply-To: <400F7922.2050906@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com> <400F7922.2050906@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <1074757927.2338.15.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 08:17, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: [...snip...] > > I also agree on forming the non-profit under Swedish law since, based on > what other people tell me is involved in forming non-profits in othere > EU countries, I have the impression that it will keep the paper work to > a minimum, while at the same time upholding the necessary legal aspects. > > I too have had some experience with working and forming non-profits in > Sweden and it is a rather painless process once you have all your papers > in order. Sounds like that is the most expedient way to go then, anyhow. You guys know how to do it, you know it's relatively painless, and the conference is happening under your auspices, so I think that whatever you think is best for your own good, is the way to go for the conference, honestly. The only question I have is whether having the account in Sweden affects the way the online payments are being processed. But I am sure that Joachim will have an answer for that, won't he? Does it make any difference whatsoever? Cheers bea -- Beatrice Fontaine From bea at webwitches.com Thu Jan 22 04:36:55 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Thu Jan 22 04:34:30 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] next Webwerkers' meetings: dates/times Message-ID: <1074764215.2486.35.camel@localhost> Hi all >From what I have been able to gather, there are two options for next week: Monday, 26th January, 18.30 Dario, Bea, Tom, Anna, but Joachim can't participate on Monday. I would like to take that one anyhow, because we should a) see if there are comments on the feedback page, 2) begin moving easy content from the old one and 3) get a hold of the Plone site. I have manager access to it (thanks to Dario) but I can't install new products yet - no access to root folder. Without 3), there won't be a 1) and 2). Nevertheless, that does not really require Joachim, right? Monday ok? Friday, 30th January, early evening (?) seems to be an alternative too, but Dario is worried that his brain may not be available :) That could be when we discuss the ins and outs of Plone vs. Zope pure as far as the forms are concerned. That is where the online payment issue would come up again, and Joachim said he could make it for Friday. Friday ok? what time? Other are welcome to join, as always! bea -- Beatrice Fontaine From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr Thu Jan 22 06:59:26 2004 From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu Jan 22 06:59:35 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation In-Reply-To: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <20040122115926.GB2372@logilab.fr> On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 04:56:26PM +0100, Jacob Hall?n wrote: > 1. We form a separate non-profit organisation. a few pointers : http://europa.eu.int/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l26017.htm http://www.uia.org/legal/home.php http://www.uia.org/legal/app413.php and europython ML's archives : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2002-February/000689.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2002-February/000662.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2003-July/003290.html hope this helps. -- Nicolas Chauvat logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances From tom at aragne.com Thu Jan 22 15:25:04 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Thu Jan 22 15:16:17 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: next Webwerkers' meetings: dates/times References: <1074764215.2486.35.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <004401c3e125$df66c640$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> > Hi all > > >From what I have been able to gather, there are two options for next > week: > > Monday, 26th January, 18.30 Dario, Bea, Tom, Anna, but Joachim can't > participate on Monday. okay. > I would like to take that one anyhow, because we should a) see if there > are comments on the feedback page, 2) begin moving easy content from the > old one and 3) get a hold of the Plone site. I have manager access to it > (thanks to Dario) but I can't install new products yet - no access to > root folder. Without 3), there won't be a 1) and 2). > Nevertheless, that does not really require Joachim, right? I've root access, so I can give a hand. Let me know. > Monday ok? > > Friday, 30th January, early evening (?) seems to be an alternative too, > but Dario is worried that his brain may not be available :) That could > be when we discuss the ins and outs of Plone vs. Zope pure as far as the > forms are concerned. That is where the online payment issue would come > up again, and Joachim said he could make it for Friday. > > Friday ok? what time? Nope, sorry can't do. I'm at a conference from friday till saterday. Tom > Other are welcome to join, as always! > > bea > > > > -- > Beatrice Fontaine > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From jacob at strakt.com Fri Jan 23 08:58:21 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Fri Jan 23 08:58:26 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Statistics from last year Message-ID: <200401231458.21979.jacob@strakt.com> Do we have any statistics form last year for how many people who payed the different fees: Speakers Early bird Normal prepaid At the door Students before the conference Students at the door Information about this would help my budgeting. Jacob From js at aixtraware.de Sat Jan 24 08:08:34 2004 From: js at aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Sat Jan 24 08:17:04 2004 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[EuroPython]_Statistics_from_last_year?= Message-ID: <20040124130834.D347A44C0FA@zope.aixtraware.de> I think I can collect those next week. I am out of office till monday evening. Joachim > Do we have any statistics form last year for how many people who payed the > different fees: > > Speakers > Early bird > Normal prepaid > At the door > Students before the conference > Students at the door > > Information about this would help my budgeting. > > Jacob > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From magnus at thinkware.se Sun Jan 25 18:11:14 2004 From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lyck=E5?=) Date: Sun Jan 25 18:05:39 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speaker In-Reply-To: <20030903112930.GH5120@carolo.net> References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com> <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se> I just spotted the following in an old mail to the list. Do we have the keynote speakers we need by now, or would this be something to consider as well? At 13:29 2003-09-03 +0200, Denis Frere wrote: >P.S. I already had some contacts with Bruce Eckel to be a keynote speaker >for 2004. Would I direct him to you for further discussion ? -- Magnus Lycka (It's really Lyckå), magnus@thinkware.se Thinkware AB, Sweden, www.thinkware.se I code Python ~ The Agile Programming Language From jacob at strakt.com Sun Jan 25 19:17:26 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Sun Jan 25 19:17:31 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speaker In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se> References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se> Message-ID: <200401260117.26762.jacob@strakt.com> On m?ndag 26 januari 2004 00.11, Magnus Lyck? wrote: > I just spotted the following in an old mail to the list. > Do we have the keynote speakers we need by now, or would > this be something to consider as well? > > At 13:29 2003-09-03 +0200, Denis Frere wrote: > >P.S. I already had some contacts with Bruce Eckel to be a keynote speaker > >for 2004. Would I direct him to you for further discussion ? My personal view is that Bruce Eckel is the right person for a keynote at a Java conference, while his Python style is too influenced by his Java expertise. Jacob Hall?n From lac at strakt.com Sun Jan 25 19:25:19 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Sun Jan 25 19:25:27 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speaker In-Reply-To: Message from Magnus =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lyck=E5?= of "Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:11:14 +0100." <5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se> References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com> <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se> Message-ID: <200401260025.i0Q0PJYD008647@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> In a message of Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:11:14 +0100, Magnus Lyck? writes: >I just spotted the following in an old mail to the list. >Do we have the keynote speakers we need by now, or would >this be something to consider as well? > >At 13:29 2003-09-03 +0200, Denis Frere wrote: >>P.S. I already had some contacts with Bruce Eckel to be a keynote speake >r >>for 2004. Would I direct him to you for further discussion ? > >-- >Magnus Lycka (It's really Lyckå), magnus@thinkware.se >Thinkware AB, Sweden, www.thinkware.se >I code Python ~ The Agile Programming Language > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython I think we are ok. Laura From dario at ita.chalmers.se Mon Jan 26 03:32:31 2004 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Mon Jan 26 03:32:38 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speaker In-Reply-To: <200401260117.26762.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se> <200401260117.26762.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <4014D09F.6010902@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: > My personal view is that Bruce Eckel is the right person for a keynote at a > Java conference, while his Python style is too influenced by his Java > expertise. otoh, this might be interesting for us folks who need to justify using python instead of java. Python, of course, being the unknown language nobody uses and nobody knows and for we can hire nobody as consultants, and java being the language of choice for any enterprise level system, where there are loads of people available that know java, even our students (the fact that it takes much more time to develop in java, is of course propaganda from the evil side - we can always hire consultants) (that was an attempt at being sarcastic, if you didn't knotice) Then again, it might be outside of the scope of the conference... /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. From jacob at strakt.com Mon Jan 26 10:42:55 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Mon Jan 26 10:43:01 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Addendum to travel pages Message-ID: <200401261642.55557.jacob@strakt.com> Under budget travel: Two new low budget airlines fly Stockholm - G?teborg. They both use Arlanda Airport in Stockholm and Landvetter Airport in G?teborg. http://www.flynordic.com http://www.flyme.com From tom at aragne.com Mon Jan 26 16:56:28 2004 From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez) Date: Mon Jan 26 16:46:43 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Addendum to travel pages References: <200401261642.55557.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <008901c3e457$41185ff0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> updated. --tom Jacob Hall?n wrote: > Under budget travel: > > Two new low budget airlines fly Stockholm - G?teborg. They both use > Arlanda Airport in Stockholm and Landvetter Airport in G?teborg. > http://www.flynordic.com > http://www.flyme.com > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From bea at webwitches.com Fri Jan 30 06:52:39 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Fri Jan 30 06:51:28 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] WebWerkers update: log and meeting Message-ID: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog Contains the upshot of the meeting Tom and Bea had last Monday evening and the mini-agenda for the upcoming meeting: If no one has forgotten, Joachim, Bea, Anna, Dario are supposed to be meeting on #europython tonight. 17.00 CET ok? y'all there? Needless to add: volunteers are always welcome. ttyl bea -- bea@webwitches.com "My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me. From dario at ita.chalmers.se Fri Jan 30 08:24:34 2004 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Fri Jan 30 08:24:45 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] WebWerkers update: log and meeting In-Reply-To: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg> References: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg> Message-ID: <401A5B12.30306@ita.chalmers.se> Beatrice Fontaine wrote: > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog > > Contains the upshot of the meeting Tom and Bea had last Monday evening > and the mini-agenda for the upcoming meeting: > > If no one has forgotten, Joachim, Bea, Anna, Dario are supposed to be > meeting on #europython tonight. 17.00 CET ok? y'all there? > > Needless to add: volunteers are always welcome. Dario is not able to be there until 19.00 hours (the time when I get home on fridays)... is there an agenda I could comment on in advance? /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. From bea at webwitches.com Fri Jan 30 08:45:13 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Fri Jan 30 08:44:02 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] WebWerkers update: log and meeting In-Reply-To: <401A5B12.30306@ita.chalmers.se> References: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg> <401A5B12.30306@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <1075470310.15676.135.camel@ogg> On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 14:24, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > Beatrice Fontaine wrote: > > > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog > > > > Contains the upshot of the meeting Tom and Bea had last Monday evening > > and the mini-agenda for the upcoming meeting: > > > > If no one has forgotten, Joachim, Bea, Anna, Dario are supposed to be > > meeting on #europython tonight. 17.00 CET ok? y'all there? > > > > Needless to add: volunteers are always welcome. > > Dario is not able to be there until 19.00 hours (the time when I get > home on fridays)... is there an agenda I could comment on in advance? Agenda is at the bottom of the webwerkerslog and 19.00 is ok with me too. We had not been specific on the time we agreed on and any old time is fine with me. Joachim mentioned that he was easy about the schedule as well. So if Anna doesn't scream out in protest, 19.00 is fine. We'll keep it short, ok? ciao bea -- bea@webwitches.com "My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me. From dario at ita.chalmers.se Fri Jan 30 09:01:11 2004 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Fri Jan 30 09:01:21 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Somne comment on todays WebWerkers meeting In-Reply-To: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg> References: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg> Message-ID: <401A63A7.1090308@ita.chalmers.se> Beatrice Fontaine wrote: > and the mini-agenda for the upcoming meeting: heh... missed that one :-) Here are my comments: Site structure: --------------- The siter structure presne in the current development site is entirely made up by me, so no doubt it needs a total evalutaion and changes. The idea behind the current structure, is to differntiate between *general info* on EPC, EPC members, EPC News,EPC Sponsors, and EPC Companies. Then there is the "About EPC 2004" link that takes us directly to the 2004 EPC conference in the "Conferences" folder. I the "EPC 2004 folder" there is an assorted amount of folders that sort of make sense - we have something to start discussing about. Plone 2.0 --------- I suggest that, unless we have access to heavy PLone 2.0-savvy people, then we stick with Plone 1.0.5 for EPC 2004, and migrate to 2.0 after epc2004 is finished. We could however document any css-changes, template changes, etc allready, in order to make it easier to migrate to 2.0. Registration/Accomodation forms -------------------------------- is joachim doing all the work or can we aouline what needs to be by when? Are we using CMFFormcontroller, archetypes, etc? Unless we allready have it, we need a) input from earlier and current organisers on what info on people is necessary to have b) input on what information to supply to those registering. we also need to decide if we are going to provide member access or not to the EPC site - this leads to another interesting question: if we form a non-profit organisation, as per Jacob's proposal, should we invite people to register at the EPC site and become members, and then, as registered members, register themselves to the EPC conference? /dario - will appear for 19.00 -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. 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