From szybalski at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 19:47:10 2006
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:47:10 -0500
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
Message-ID: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I am sending an email with smtplib, and i need to get a copy of what i
have sent out.
Is there a way to do it?

I am storing the information into a database so I need to get message
id, time etc from the message that gets sent out.

Thanks

--
Lukasz Szybalski

From barry at python.org  Thu Apr 13 19:58:59 2006
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:58:59 -0400
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1144951139.7368.18.camel@resist.wooz.org>

On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 12:47 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:

> I am sending an email with smtplib, and i need to get a copy of what i
> have sent out.
> Is there a way to do it?
> 
> I am storing the information into a database so I need to get message
> id, time etc from the message that gets sent out.

Do you want the mail server to send you a copy, or do you want a copy of
what you send to the mail server?  If the former, just add a BCC header
and include the return address you want the copy sent to.  If the
latter, just do str(msg) to get the text.

-Barry

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From phd at mail2.phd.pp.ru  Thu Apr 13 19:53:46 2006
From: phd at mail2.phd.pp.ru (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:53:46 +0400
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060413175346.GF28963@phd.pp.ru>

On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 12:47:10PM -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> I am sending an email with smtplib, and i need to get a copy of what i
> have sent out.

   Add yourself to the list of recipints addresses.

Oleg.
-- 
     Oleg Broytmann            http://phd.pp.ru/            phd at phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.

From szybalski at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 20:15:34 2006
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <1144951139.7368.18.camel@resist.wooz.org>
References: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144951139.7368.18.camel@resist.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <804e5c70604131115q3a022ce5kd6e17fd7eac2e5c1@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/13/06, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 12:47 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>
> > I am sending an email with smtplib, and i need to get a copy of what i
> > have sent out.
> > Is there a way to do it?
> >
> > I am storing the information into a database so I need to get message
> > id, time etc from the message that gets sent out.
>
> Do you want the mail server to send you a copy, or do you want a copy of
> what you send to the mail server?  If the former, just add a BCC header
> and include the return address you want the copy sent to.  If the
> latter, just do str(msg) to get the text.

Although that works to get what i created i also need to get :
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <443e9445.2a2d498e.545b.68b7SMTPIN_ADDED at mx.gmail.com>

Anyway to do it? Does smtplib have a way to return exact thing it is sending?

> -Barry
>
>
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--
Lukasz Szybalski
www.lucasmanual.com

From szybalski at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 22:33:57 2006
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:33:57 -0500
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70604131115q3a022ce5kd6e17fd7eac2e5c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144951139.7368.18.camel@resist.wooz.org>
	<804e5c70604131115q3a022ce5kd6e17fd7eac2e5c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <804e5c70604131333j58edccd7w5067e3d12205b224@mail.gmail.com>

Is message id generated by sending server or receiving server?

I could create a time stamp, but not sure about message id. The
easiest way i see it done, is to enter some kind of debug mode that
lets me see what is being transferred and enables me to get a copy of
sent message.

Lukasz

On 4/13/06, Lukasz Szybalski <szybalski at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/13/06, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-04-13 at 12:47 -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> >
> > > I am sending an email with smtplib, and i need to get a copy of what i
> > > have sent out.
> > > Is there a way to do it?
> > >
> > > I am storing the information into a database so I need to get message
> > > id, time etc from the message that gets sent out.
> >
> > Do you want the mail server to send you a copy, or do you want a copy of
> > what you send to the mail server?  If the former, just add a BCC header
> > and include the return address you want the copy sent to.  If the
> > latter, just do str(msg) to get the text.
>
> Although that works to get what i created i also need to get :
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Message-Id: <443e9445.2a2d498e.545b.68b7SMTPIN_ADDED at mx.gmail.com>
>
> Anyway to do it? Does smtplib have a way to return exact thing it is sending?
>
> > -Barry
> >
> >
> >
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> > w3+oJYvA0usfXkyzf599mzWJeDMIVQEn5XI71bCr2A+4d81OdbbZR+B4dc2TyHxE
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Lukasz Szybalski
> www.lucasmanual.com
>


--
Lukasz Szybalski
www.lucasmanual.com

From matt at mondoinfo.com  Fri Apr 14 00:21:51 2006
From: matt at mondoinfo.com (Matthew Dixon Cowles)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:21:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
Message-ID: <1144966850.52.1997@mint-julep.mondoinfo.com>

[Sorry, originally sent this reply directly]

Dear Lukasz,

> Is message id generated by sending server or receiving server?

It's intended to be created by the program that sends the mail, but
it's technically optional. The details are at:

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html

If the sending program doesn't create a Message-ID header, one will
likely be added by some intermediate server.

> I could create a time stamp, but not sure about message id.

Python's email module has a convenience function to create one that
should be sufficient. It's documented at:

http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.Utils.html

For example:

>>> import email.Utils
>>> email.Utils.make_msgid()
'<20060413221549.2140.4129 at mint-julep.mondoinfo.com>'

Regards,
Matt


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 14 03:55:01 2006
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:55:01 -0700
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70604131115q3a022ce5kd6e17fd7eac2e5c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC17402006041318550100465f343bef@msapiro>

Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>
>Although that works to get what i created i also need to get :
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
>Message-Id: <443e9445.2a2d498e.545b.68b7SMTPIN_ADDED at mx.gmail.com>
>
>Anyway to do it? Does smtplib have a way to return exact thing it is sending?

smtlib sends exactly what you give it. If you don't put Date: and
Message-Id: headers in the message you pass to smtplib, your outgoing
MTA adds them and the smtplib methods have no way to know what they
are.

If your application needs to know them, it has to create them and put
them in the message as suggested by Matthew in another reply.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From msapiro at value.net  Fri Apr 14 04:47:31 2006
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:47:31 -0700
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <PC17402006041318550100465f343bef@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC174020060413194731025027dfaf39@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
>>
>>Although that works to get what i created i also need to get :
>>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
>>Message-Id: <443e9445.2a2d498e.545b.68b7SMTPIN_ADDED at mx.gmail.com>
>>
>>Anyway to do it? Does smtplib have a way to return exact thing it is sending?
>
>smtlib sends exactly what you give it. If you don't put Date: and
>Message-Id: headers in the message you pass to smtplib, your outgoing
>MTA adds them and the smtplib methods have no way to know what they
>are.

Actually, I looked a little more closely, and in your particular case
above it seems that at least the Message-Id: header was not added
until the message reached gmail.com.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From szybalski at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 19:12:50 2006
From: szybalski at gmail.com (Lukasz Szybalski)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:12:50 -0500
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <1144966445.68.1997@mint-julep.mondoinfo.com>
References: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144951139.7368.18.camel@resist.wooz.org>
	<804e5c70604131115q3a022ce5kd6e17fd7eac2e5c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<804e5c70604131333j58edccd7w5067e3d12205b224@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144966445.68.1997@mint-julep.mondoinfo.com>
Message-ID: <804e5c70604141012t5c1bb4d9u367bcdacbb29d41c@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/13/06, Matthew Dixon Cowles <matt at mondoinfo.com> wrote:
> Dear Lukasz,
>
> > Is message id generated by sending server or receiving server?
>
> It's intended to be created by the program that sends the mail, but
> it's technically optional. The details are at:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html
>
> If the sending program doesn't create a Message-ID header, one will
> likely be added by some intermediate server.
>
> > I could create a time stamp, but not sure about message id.
>
> Python's email module has a convenience function to create one that
> should be sufficient. It's documented at:
>
> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.Utils.html
>
> For example:
>
> >>> import email.Utils
> >>> email.Utils.make_msgid()
> '<20060413221549.2140.4129 at mint-julep.mondoinfo.com>'
>
great this is what i needed, and for time i used formatdate()

One last question.
Is there an easy way to covert body of an email into lines starting with ">"

If I received in my payload(), body of an email:
hello
how are you

I want to send a response with quoted part:
hi
>hello
>how are you

Is quote(str) a function that i would use? From description it seems
as it only escapes backslashes and quotes.

Thank you
Lukasz

> Regards,
> Matt
>
>

From phd at mail2.phd.pp.ru  Fri Apr 14 19:19:19 2006
From: phd at mail2.phd.pp.ru (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:19:19 +0400
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70604141012t5c1bb4d9u367bcdacbb29d41c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144951139.7368.18.camel@resist.wooz.org>
	<804e5c70604131115q3a022ce5kd6e17fd7eac2e5c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<804e5c70604131333j58edccd7w5067e3d12205b224@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144966445.68.1997@mint-julep.mondoinfo.com>
	<804e5c70604141012t5c1bb4d9u367bcdacbb29d41c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060414171918.GA26132@phd.pp.ru>

On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 12:12:50PM -0500, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> One last question.
> Is there an easy way to covert body of an email into lines starting with ">"
> 
> If I received in my payload(), body of an email:
> hello
> how are you
> 
> I want to send a response with quoted part:
> hi
> >hello
> >how are you

body = message.get_payload()
answer = ["> %s" % line for line in body.split('\n')]
reply = '\n'.join(answer)

Oleg.
-- 
     Oleg Broytmann            http://phd.pp.ru/            phd at phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.

From phd at mail2.phd.pp.ru  Fri Apr 14 19:27:22 2006
From: phd at mail2.phd.pp.ru (Oleg Broytmann)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:27:22 +0400
Subject: [Email-SIG]  Make reply
Message-ID: <20060414172722.GA26461@phd.pp.ru>

Barry, woulnt't it be a nice addition?

def make_reply(body, quote_str="> "):
    return '\n'.join([quote_str + line for line in body.split('\n')])

Oleg.
-- 
     Oleg Broytmann            http://phd.pp.ru/            phd at phd.pp.ru
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.

From matt at mondoinfo.com  Fri Apr 14 19:27:06 2006
From: matt at mondoinfo.com (Matthew Dixon Cowles)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:27:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Email-SIG] smtplib and getting a copy ?
In-Reply-To: <804e5c70604141012t5c1bb4d9u367bcdacbb29d41c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <804e5c70604131047r151aa9a7ra32bc8e3c710fcc1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144951139.7368.18.camel@resist.wooz.org>
	<804e5c70604131115q3a022ce5kd6e17fd7eac2e5c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<804e5c70604131333j58edccd7w5067e3d12205b224@mail.gmail.com>
	<1144966445.68.1997@mint-julep.mondoinfo.com>
	<804e5c70604141012t5c1bb4d9u367bcdacbb29d41c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1145035448.36.2229@mint-julep.mondoinfo.com>

Dear Lukasz,

> Is there an easy way to covert body of an email into lines starting
> with ">"

Oleg is of course quite right. Depending on your exact needs, you may
also find the textwrap module useful:

http://docs.python.org/lib/module-textwrap.html

Regards,
Matt


From mj at zopatista.com  Fri Apr 14 20:31:29 2006
From: mj at zopatista.com (Martijn Pieters)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Email-SIG] Make reply
In-Reply-To: <20060414172722.GA26461@phd.pp.ru>
References: <20060414172722.GA26461@phd.pp.ru>
Message-ID: <443FEA81.2090004@zopatista.com>

Oleg Broytmann wrote:
> Barry, woulnt't it be a nice addition?
> 
> def make_reply(body, quote_str="> "):
>     return '\n'.join([quote_str + line for line in body.split('\n')])

I think there is a bit more to quoting than just prepending a quotemark;
it also depends on the email format.

I guess that that function (with splitlines() perhaps) would do for
"text/plain"; but for "text/plain; format=flowed" (note the qualifier,
quote formatting is explicitly defined in an RFC, and you might want to
 use a specialized module to handle that.

<plug mode="blatant">I have such a module at the ready at:

  http://www.zopatista.com/projects/formatflowed

which handles correct wragging as well.</plug>

Martijn Pieters


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From barry at python.org  Wed Apr 19 20:14:28 2006
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:14:28 -0400
Subject: [Email-SIG] Python patch submittion 1464708
In-Reply-To: <1145461496.9715.21.camel@tardis.cisco.com>
References: <1145461496.9715.21.camel@tardis.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <1145470468.10144.0.camel@resist.wooz.org>

On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 10:44 -0500, William McVey wrote:

> The current status of the patch is that it has been assigned to Barry
> Warsaw, but no (visible) activity seems to have occurred since the
> ticket was assigned. I was hoping this patch could get integrated into
> the upcoming python 2.5. The fix is fairly important to me as I now
> manage my incoming mail using python and I'm on lists with individuals
> who tend to like the (( )) construct. I'm hoping this email nudges the
> process forward a bit and doesn't offend anyone for the out-of-band
> reminder. 

Nope, thanks for the reminder.  I'll try to take a look at it over the
next day or two.

-Barry

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From barry at python.org  Sun Apr 30 23:28:43 2006
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:28:43 -0400
Subject: [Email-SIG] Python patch submittion 1464708
In-Reply-To: <1145461496.9715.21.camel@tardis.cisco.com>
References: <1145461496.9715.21.camel@tardis.cisco.com>
Message-ID: <1146432523.2269.20.camel@resist.wooz.org>

On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 10:44 -0500, William McVey wrote:
> A couple weeks ago I submitted patch 1464708
> (https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1464708&group_id=5470&atid=305470) which fixes the parsing of email addresses in the 'email' and 'rfc822' packages. This fix is critical in handling addresses of the form:

This has now been applied to the Python 2.4 branch for email 3.0.  I
will forward port it to Python 2.5 for email 4.0 and back port it to
Python 2.3 for email 2.5.

-Barry

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