From jeff at elkner.net  Sun Jun  1 00:31:54 2014
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 18:31:54 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
Message-ID: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>

I spent much of the National Day of Civic Hacking working on our web page:

https://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig

The main task was fixing broken links.  I believe I got them all, but
please let me know if I missed any.   I added two links that Philip
Guo sent me, and I also added a link to Pynguin.

I had to remove content that could no longer be found.

Jeff Elkner

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 00:53:11 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 15:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
In-Reply-To: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3SQihBvJj-7OcdWpSH_B0gRPQrXJgQ7+SNB7MJnkv0QZw@mail.gmail.com>

Looks good but I'd say this advice is really too strict a criterion:

"Use Python 3, and more specifically version 3.4, if you only plan to teach
Python as an introductory language (say in a CS-1 course), making use *only*
of modules included in the standard distribution. "

In fact, Python 3 works with many 3rd party modules.  Check this out.

My bias would be to say use Python 3 if at all possible, most 3rd party
stuff rocks, but if you're stuck using dino 3rd party stuff, oh well, can't
win 'em all.

But that's not diplomatic and I wouldn't actually say it that way on the
web page.

Kirby




On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:

> I spent much of the National Day of Civic Hacking working on our web page:
>
> https://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig
>
> The main task was fixing broken links.  I believe I got them all, but
> please let me know if I missed any.   I added two links that Philip
> Guo sent me, and I also added a link to Pynguin.
>
> I had to remove content that could no longer be found.
>
> Jeff Elkner
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
> Edu-sig at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 00:53:54 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 15:53:54 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3SQihBvJj-7OcdWpSH_B0gRPQrXJgQ7+SNB7MJnkv0QZw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPJgG3TJ8ek3F+-BsN2=n3qopRUMrma0LaahGsriNDusKU2ZWg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 3:53 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Looks good but I'd say this advice is really too strict a criterion:
>
> "Use Python 3, and more specifically version 3.4, if you only plan to
> teach Python as an introductory language (say in a CS-1 course), making use
> *only* of modules included in the standard distribution. "
>
> In fact, Python 3 works with many 3rd party modules.  Check this out.
>

Check what out you ask?  I forgot my URL here:

http://python3wos.appspot.com/

Kirby
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From andre.roberge at gmail.com  Sun Jun  1 01:21:46 2014
From: andre.roberge at gmail.com (Andre Roberge)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 20:21:46 -0300
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
In-Reply-To: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGMu_=rt0_1ZvnAzBT4C50Uorx_FD-NwEQ8byn43r+FXRVJtNg@mail.gmail.com>

Good work Jeff!

RUR-PLE's new home is http://code.google.com/p/rur-ple  (it moved from
sourceforge a few years ago).    I would suggest the addition of this
sentence:

A new web-based version, Reeborg's World (http://reeborg.ca), has more
tutorials than those available with the desktop version.

Andr?


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:

> I spent much of the National Day of Civic Hacking working on our web page:
>
> https://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig
>
> The main task was fixing broken links.  I believe I got them all, but
> please let me know if I missed any.   I added two links that Philip
> Guo sent me, and I also added a link to Pynguin.
>
> I had to remove content that could no longer be found.
>
> Jeff Elkner
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
> Edu-sig at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
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From jeff at elkner.net  Sun Jun  1 16:14:12 2014
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 10:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
In-Reply-To: <CAGMu_=rt0_1ZvnAzBT4C50Uorx_FD-NwEQ8byn43r+FXRVJtNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABkKac-MT-vt+sA3rVCgwdytULarz6sfrzX6ubkZQMzPZdkKvw@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I've made Andre's specific changes, and tried to capture the
spirit of Kirby's feedback in the Python 3 vs. 2 section.

On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good work Jeff!
>
> RUR-PLE's new home is http://code.google.com/p/rur-ple  (it moved from
> sourceforge a few years ago).    I would suggest the addition of this
> sentence:
>
> A new web-based version, Reeborg's World (http://reeborg.ca), has more
> tutorials than those available with the desktop version.
>
> Andr?
>
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
>>
>> I spent much of the National Day of Civic Hacking working on our web page:
>>
>> https://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig
>>
>> The main task was fixing broken links.  I believe I got them all, but
>> please let me know if I missed any.   I added two links that Philip
>> Guo sent me, and I also added a link to Pynguin.
>>
>> I had to remove content that could no longer be found.
>>
>> Jeff Elkner
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edu-sig mailing list
>> Edu-sig at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
>

From kurner at oreillyschool.com  Sun Jun  1 16:21:44 2014
From: kurner at oreillyschool.com (Kirby Urner)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 07:21:44 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
In-Reply-To: <CABkKac-MT-vt+sA3rVCgwdytULarz6sfrzX6ubkZQMzPZdkKvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGMu_=rt0_1ZvnAzBT4C50Uorx_FD-NwEQ8byn43r+FXRVJtNg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAGe4BMGUbC6i=iCUqQcikTFvY5daTMaouBXXvs1BdV+D+jOOQw@mail.gmail.com>

Looking good!


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:

> OK, I've made Andre's specific changes, and tried to capture the
> spirit of Kirby's feedback in the Python 3 vs. 2 section.
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Good work Jeff!
> >
> > RUR-PLE's new home is http://code.google.com/p/rur-ple  (it moved from
> > sourceforge a few years ago).    I would suggest the addition of this
> > sentence:
> >
> > A new web-based version, Reeborg's World (http://reeborg.ca), has more
> > tutorials than those available with the desktop version.
> >
> > Andr?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I spent much of the National Day of Civic Hacking working on our web
> page:
> >>
> >> https://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig
> >>
> >> The main task was fixing broken links.  I believe I got them all, but
> >> please let me know if I missed any.   I added two links that Philip
> >> Guo sent me, and I also added a link to Pynguin.
> >>
> >> I had to remove content that could no longer be found.
> >>
> >> Jeff Elkner
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Edu-sig mailing list
> >> Edu-sig at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
> Edu-sig at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
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From jeff at elkner.net  Wed Jun  4 14:21:44 2014
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:21:44 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Micro Python
Message-ID: <CABkKac9NLfCJmjOPnR16a34PWDiWtjy99nJirdGm6+RxoNi=LA@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine just sent me a link to a new micro controller that
runs python 3:

http://micropython.org/

Now this is something to get excited about!  It also could be one of
the more effective ways to use Python in education.

All I have to do now is get my hands on a few of these...

Jeff

From jurgis.pralgauskis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 15:39:01 2014
From: jurgis.pralgauskis at gmail.com (Jurgis Pralgauskis)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
In-Reply-To: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANDo6EzyCGfsCwBcT4UMT-cQc-Ovj=wufKtQ_aeyWMCR0T6KCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe more links to online courses (with interactive tasks)?
https://www.udacity.com/courses (has at least 5 I think - hint: searchbox)
http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/python
http://cscircles.cemc.uwaterloo.ca/
https://www.coursera.org/courses?search=python


Just interactive Tasks
http://www.pyschools.com -> Practices
http://www.learnpython.org/


Some Python 4 Web (as web is a big thing) educational use-cases would be
nice
http://killer-web-development.com/


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:

> I spent much of the National Day of Civic Hacking working on our web page:
>
> https://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig
>
> The main task was fixing broken links.  I believe I got them all, but
> please let me know if I missed any.   I added two links that Philip
> Guo sent me, and I also added a link to Pynguin.
>
> I had to remove content that could no longer be found.
>
> Jeff Elkner
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
> Edu-sig at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>



-- 
Jurgis Pralgauskis
tel: 8-616 77613;
Don't worry, be happy and make things better ;)
http://galvosukykla.lt
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From jeff at elkner.net  Tue Jun 17 15:46:27 2014
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
In-Reply-To: <CANDo6EzyCGfsCwBcT4UMT-cQc-Ovj=wufKtQ_aeyWMCR0T6KCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkKac9A8iro4=AQBZkQLuz23hNqLBkC5HdgEEYFgsnxSNgz5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABkKac_RAHwwv+mQ8=kKUX-Y2938QNOW0XQmVrC7OzMj7OoyGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Let's use the wiki page (https://wiki.python.org/moin/) for this,
Jurgis, so that the work of keeping it current can be distributed.

Interested members of our community should create accounts for
themselves on the wiki, and then we can maintain current information
together.

I'll put something on the main edu-sig page regarding the wiki and its use.

Jeff

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Jurgis Pralgauskis
<jurgis.pralgauskis at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe more links to online courses (with interactive tasks)?
> https://www.udacity.com/courses (has at least 5 I think - hint: searchbox)
> http://www.codecademy.com/tracks/python
> http://cscircles.cemc.uwaterloo.ca/
> https://www.coursera.org/courses?search=python
>
>
> Just interactive Tasks
> http://www.pyschools.com -> Practices
> http://www.learnpython.org/
>
>
> Some Python 4 Web (as web is a big thing) educational use-cases would be
> nice
> http://killer-web-development.com/
>
>
> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
>>
>> I spent much of the National Day of Civic Hacking working on our web page:
>>
>> https://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig
>>
>> The main task was fixing broken links.  I believe I got them all, but
>> please let me know if I missed any.   I added two links that Philip
>> Guo sent me, and I also added a link to Pynguin.
>>
>> I had to remove content that could no longer be found.
>>
>> Jeff Elkner
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edu-sig mailing list
>> Edu-sig at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jurgis Pralgauskis
> tel: 8-616 77613;
> Don't worry, be happy and make things better ;)
> http://galvosukykla.lt

From ntoll at ntoll.org  Tue Jun 17 16:49:14 2014
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:49:14 +0100
Subject: [Edu-sig] The THIRD PyconUK 2014 Education track
Message-ID: <53A0556A.5010808@ntoll.org>

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Dear All,

Yup, it's coming up to that time of year again...

http://pyconuk.org/education

Please tweet, retweet, blog, post, talk about and generally spread the
word - ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN THE UK!

We'll have around 40 teachers attending the professional training day
(20 of whom will be student or newly qualified teachers sponsored by
our wonderful PSF) and up to 60 kids turning up for some inspiring
explorations in code the following day.

We have the Raspberry Pi Foundation sending their education team,
various "master" teachers giving workshops and, of course, hordes of
enthusiastic Pythonistas.

We'll even have a Robot Python Code Dojo where we'll get our hands on
seven of these little critters to "hack" along with teachers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nao_%28robot%29 (The kids will get to
play with them too.)

That's far too much fun, learning, coding and networking for just 48
hours out of the four day PyconUK conference.

If you're about, please do come. You'll be made more than welcome!

Phew.

:-)

N.
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 19:34:42 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 10:34:42 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Changes to edu-sig web page...
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On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
Let's use the wiki page (https://wiki.python.org/moin/
>
> ) for this,
> Jurgis, so that the work of keeping it current can be distributed.
>
> Interested members of our community should create accounts for
> themselves on the wiki, and then we can maintain current information
> together.
>
> I'll put something on the main edu-sig page regarding the wiki and its use.
>
> Jeff
>
>

Getting the wiki back in order would make sense.  You'll remember it was
hacked awhile ago and a lot of people who had passwords no longer do.

Our Portland User Group has been futzing around trying to find someone to
help update its Wiki info but so far we've been stymied I think.

So if edu-sig is able to demonstrate mastery of the wiki (moin) that'd be a
morale booster I think.

Probably we don't want to use the home page to list for-money Python
courses as there are just so many of those.  If some free spirit wants to
keep track of them all, a single like to the for-money listings page might
do the job.

My O'Reilly School would be one of those offering Python training for a
fee, although our lesson text is free on-line I should add (but not for
copying i.e. it's not Creative Commons).

We protect the projects and quizzes for obvious reasons, though
StackOverFlow is currently violating our copyright (not their fault, some
student with no ethics betrayed our trust).  We hope to hear from them soon.

Kirby
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 04:38:28 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:38:28 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] More about Internationalization (i18n) / Unicode
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3SWLG-W4DrCWz_P3At05PY-AbCLV2wr26xXrBSaAocAnw@mail.gmail.com>

I've been fostering debate around work about i18n ("internationalization")
a tried and true topic in Geek World bar none, and otherwise known,
paradoxically, as "localization" as in "make all these Ubuntu menus appear
in the Basque language."

I remember being in Lithuania and booting up Blogger, to find my control
panel in Lithuanian.  Cool!

We're brainstorming a promo / commercial for OST (oreillyschool.com)
harvesting footage at OSCON, where I'm suggesting a mostly non-English
sound track with students bragging about the jobs they got or the skills
they learned from our courses + mentors, in various non-English languages.

"Mostly non-English" is likely way too radical to make the final cut as a
story-board for this promo (maybe another one), but I do hope we'll have at
least some soundtrack in fluent Russian, with sub-titles added later.

Why?

Because the two alumni / active students I've recruited for the promo, are
fluent Russian speakers, so duh, right?

But zoom out and here's the bigger debate:

should we think of English as the language of instruction or more just an
important language for documentation?  It's an important decision.

In the latter case, it would be important to have our Python track
materials in fluent Portuguese, including of course the source code, ditto
in China we would use mostly Chinese.

However, the docstring APIs in the Standard Library would stay as they
are.  The Standard Library is to remain in English.

So I'm all for keeping it straight Python 3.4.1 or whatever, i.e. I don't
want to have truck with these  "replace the keywords" versions, because we
want to standardize on Python.org distros, known to be best.

Your viability in the job market depends on not being too specialized.

In the former case (English as the language of instruction), we go for
"dumbed down" or "for dummies" English ala Business English (BE) as the one
and only language of instruction and make that a per-requisite for our
computer courses.

Mentors such as myself need only know BE and we'll be able to do our jobs.

That's true now in fact, but not because of any decision or ideology,
simply because of geography and history.  The school grew up in the corn
fields of Illinois.

Only now are we experiencing the ripple effects of globalization / Unicode
/ cosmopolitan best practices.

We could very well hire a native Chinese-speaking counter-part for my
Python teaching job tomorrow, but then we'd have to launch a new version of
the text as well, by either the current author (Steve Holden) in
translation, or by someone equally well versed in Python.

Usually translations lose something don't you think?

Maybe a friend of Steve's who writes in her or his own voice would be the
ideal candidate.

Anyway, it's not like we have to settle this debate right away.

I think many colleges and universities are looking at the same issue.  I
invite others to jump in with their musings.  What's you long range
forecast of how things will go?

Case in point:  Portland State works with a sister campus abroad (Fudan
University) where many of the courses are in Chinese, naturally, and yet
videos of US English-speaking professors -- e.g. my friend Allen Taylor,
author of 'SQL for Dummies' and an electronics engineer -- are included in
for-credit English language courses as well, so it's a mix.

Allen is a very skilled teacher (I've been to many of his talks) and
lectures on cruise ships these days.  Having him on video in China is not a
waste of anyone's time, if they have the skills to follow, and many Chinese
do.[1]

My point:  a heterogeneous environment is what I expect, with many students
pursuing their areas of concentration using two or three human languages,
actually the standard for an educated person going way back.  I don't
expect a mono-lingual future and don't see why anyone would.

Obviously, Unicode was / is a huge undertaking and we're only beginning to
reap the rewards of this investment.

One of those rewards is the ability to break free of the limitations of
ASCII's 127 and later Latin-1's 256+.

We're ready for the millions of characters that comprise our heritage.

I, for one, am looking forward to the diversity that brings to our Python
community.  Carl Trachte and I have been focusing on i18n within the Python
community for some time now.[2]


Kirby

[1]  http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2005/01/shanghai-city.html
[2]  http://pyright.blogspot.com/search?q=unicode
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