From kurner at oreillyschool.com  Mon Feb  3 21:05:39 2014
From: kurner at oreillyschool.com (Kirby Urner)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:05:39 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] a segue from discrete math to calculus using Python
Message-ID: <CAGe4BMGzNgfxHroCR1HCMktkwHXoE1WWSaUWqHs3AZcEgdBmeA@mail.gmail.com>

"""
Discrete math approach to Calculus

This is what I imagine as a segue from discrete math to
calc, using Python.  We're using a tiny delta_x = h to
compute values discretely, and then comparing those
computed series with functions "at the limit" such as
calculus would give us.  It's the same segue we typically
encounter using Sigma notation to introduce Riemann Sum
notation in Algebra 2 today.  All the assumptions are
deliberately simplified:  continuous functions in one
variable.

(c) MIT License, K. Urner, 4D Solutions, 2014

"""

from math import log

h = delta_x = 1e-2  # tiny delta

class Integral:

    def __init__(self, func):
        self.func = func

    def __call__(self, a, b):
        if not a<=b:
            raise ValueError
        area = 0.0
        x = a
        while x <= b:
            area += self.func(x) * delta_x
            x += delta_x
        return area

class Derivative:

    def __init__(self, func):
        self.func = func

    def __call__(self, x):
        f = self.func
        return (f(x+h) - f(x-h)) / (2*h)


def parabola(x):
    """Parabola"""
    return x * x  # parabola

def int_parabola(x):
    """Parabola"""
    return (x ** 3)/3  # integral of parabola

def deriv_parabola(x):
    """Derivative of Parabolic function"""
    return 2*x  # parabola

def reciprocal(x):
    """Reciprocal"""
    return 1/x

def int_reciprocal(x):
    """Integral of Reciprocal"""
    return log(x)   # integral is Ln(x)

def deriv_reciprocal(x):
    """Derivative of Reciprocal"""
    return -x**-2

def report(f, domain, limint, limderiv, C=0):
    integral_f = Integral(f)
    derivative_f = Derivative(f)
    print("=" * 30)
    print(f.__doc__, [(x,f(x)) for x in domain])
    print()
    print("Approx Integral  : ", ["({}, {:>5.2f})".format(x,
integral_f(a=domain[0], b=x) + C) for x in domain])
    print("Limit Integral   : ", ["({}, {:>5.2f})".format(x, limint(x)) for
x in domain])
    print()
    print("Approx Derivative: ", ["({}, {:>5.2f})".format(x,
derivative_f(x)) for x in domain])
    print("Limit Derivative : ", ["({}, {:>5.2f})".format(x, limderiv(x))
for x in domain])

report(parabola, range(-10, 11), limint = int_parabola, limderiv =
deriv_parabola, C = -334) # C = constant offset
report(reciprocal, range(1, 11), limint = int_reciprocal, limderiv =
deriv_reciprocal)
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From calcpage at aol.com  Mon Feb  3 22:31:42 2014
From: calcpage at aol.com (A. Jorge Garcia)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:31:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Edu-sig] a segue from discrete math to calculus using Python
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Message-ID: <8D0EF3E76E3F707-24E4-1CA7D@webmail-d140.sysops.aol.com>

Great post Kirby!

Your approach is very similar to what I do with my Calculus classes. 
However, I use python under SAGE and I emphasize Riemann Sums.

In fact, we do a lot of what I used to call "Scientific Computing" in a 
manner very reminiscent of a MATLAB approach for:
Limits, Difference Quotient, Newton's Method, Riemann Sums and Euler's 
Method.

All these topics are very accessible for students even in PreCalculus 
and Computer Science classes by using python!

Don't you just love Pythonic Math?

Pythonically,
A. Jorge Garcia
Applied Math, Physics & CS
http://shadowfaxrant.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/calcpage2009
2013 NYS Secondary Math http://PAEMST.org Nominee


-----Original Message-----
From: Kirby Urner <kurner at oreillyschool.com>
To: edu-sig <edu-sig at python.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 3:37 pm
Subject: [Edu-sig] a segue from discrete math to calculus using Python

"""
Discrete math approach to Calculus

This is what I imagine as a segue from discrete math to
calc, using Python.? We're using a tiny delta_x = h to
compute values discretely, and then comparing those
computed series with functions "at the limit" such as
calculus would give us.? It's the same segue we typically
encounter using Sigma notation to introduce Riemann Sum
notation in Algebra 2 today.? All the assumptions are
deliberately simplified:? continuous functions in one
variable.

(c) MIT License, K. Urner, 4D Solutions, 2014

"""

from math import log

h = delta_x = 1e-2? # tiny delta

class Integral:

??? def __init__(self, func):
??????? self.func = func

??? def __call__(self, a, b):
??????? if not a&lt;=b:
??????????? raise ValueError
??????? area = 0.0
??????? x = a
??????? while x &lt;= b:
??????????? area += self.func(x) * delta_x
??????????? x += delta_x
??????? return area

class Derivative:

??? def __init__(self, func):
??????? self.func = func

??? def __call__(self, x):
??????? f = self.func
??????? return (f(x+h) - f(x-h)) / (2*h)


def parabola(x):
??? """Parabola"""
??? return x * x? # parabola

def int_parabola(x):
??? """Parabola"""
??? return (x ** 3)/3? # integral of parabola

def deriv_parabola(x):
??? """Derivative of Parabolic function"""
??? return 2*x? # parabola

def reciprocal(x):
??? """Reciprocal"""
??? return 1/x

def int_reciprocal(x):
??? """Integral of Reciprocal"""
??? return log(x)?? # integral is Ln(x)

def deriv_reciprocal(x):
??? """Derivative of Reciprocal"""
??? return -x**-2

def report(f, domain, limint, limderiv, C=0):
??? integral_f = Integral(f)
??? derivative_f = Derivative(f)
??? print("=" * 30)
??? print(f.__doc__, [(x,f(x)) for x in domain])
??? print()
??? print("Approx Integral? : ", ["({}, {:&gt;5.2f})".format(x, 
integral_f(a=domain[0], b=x) + C) for x in domain])
??? print("Limit Integral?? : ", ["({}, {:&gt;5.2f})".format(x, 
limint(x)) for x in domain])
??? print()
??? print("Approx Derivative: ", ["({}, {:&gt;5.2f})".format(x, 
derivative_f(x)) for x in domain])
??? print("Limit Derivative : ", ["({}, {:&gt;5.2f})".format(x, 
limderiv(x)) for x in domain])

report(parabola, range(-10, 11), limint = int_parabola, limderiv = 
deriv_parabola, C = -334) # C = constant offset
report(reciprocal, range(1, 11), limint = int_reciprocal, limderiv = 
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From kurner at oreillyschool.com  Tue Feb  4 08:08:31 2014
From: kurner at oreillyschool.com (Kirby Urner)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 23:08:31 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] a segue from discrete math to calculus using Python
In-Reply-To: <8D0EF3E76E3F707-24E4-1CA7D@webmail-d140.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAGe4BMGzNgfxHroCR1HCMktkwHXoE1WWSaUWqHs3AZcEgdBmeA@mail.gmail.com>
 <8D0EF3E76E3F707-24E4-1CA7D@webmail-d140.sysops.aol.com>
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On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:31 PM, A. Jorge Garcia <calcpage at aol.com> wrote:

> Great post Kirby!
>
> Your approach is very similar to what I do with my Calculus classes.
> However, I use python under SAGE and I emphasize Riemann Sums.
>
> In fact, we do a lot of what I used to call "Scientific Computing" in a
> manner very reminiscent of a MATLAB approach for:
> Limits, Difference Quotient, Newton's Method, Riemann Sums and Euler's
> Method.
>
> All these topics are very accessible for students even in PreCalculus and
> Computer Science classes by using python!
>
> Don't you just love Pythonic Math?
>


Thanks Jorge.

I sure do [ love Pythonic Math ].

I'm looking forward to attending more SAGE talks / presentations.

Not enough proposals have it in my view (I'm currently plowing through a
bunch of talk proposals for OSCON).

In using "bare naked Python" I'm leaving a door open to reviewing calculus,
but also to learning about class decorators:

__author__ = 'Kirby Urner'

"""
(c) MIT License, K. Urner, 4D Solutions, 2014
"""

from math import log

h = delta_x = 1e-2  # tiny delta

class Derivative:

    def __init__(self, func):
        self.func = func

    def __call__(self, x):
        f = self.func
        return (f(x+h) - f(x-h)) / (2*h)     # or do it your way

@Derivative        #  class decorator
def parabola(x):
    """Parabola"""
    return x * x  # parabola

def report(f, domain):
    print("=" * 30)
    print([ (x, round(parabola(x),2)) for x in domain]) # discrete
approximation

domain = range(-10, 11)
report(parabola, domain)


==============================
[(-10, -20.0), (-9, -18.0), (-8, -16.0), (-7, -14.0), (-6, -12.0), (-5,
-10.0), (-4, -8.0), (-3, -6.0), (-2, -4.0), (-1, -2.0), (0, 0.0), (1, 2.0),
(2, 4.0), (3, 6.0), (4, 8.0), (5, 10.0), (6, 12.0), (7, 14.0), (8, 16.0),
(9, 18.0), (10, 20.0)]

yep, that looks like D(parabola) <==> def f(x):  return 2 * x where D()
makes a derivative function from a function (D per Spivak's Calculus on
Manifolds).

The integral should look like pow(x, 3)/3 + C.

Applying the other decorator:

class Integral:

    def __init__(self, func):
        self.func = func

    def __call__(self, a, b):
        """definite integral over [a, b] using discrete approximation"""
        if not a<=b:
            raise ValueError
        area = 0.0
        x = a
        while x <= b:
            area += self.func(x) * delta_x
            x += delta_x
        return area

@Integral
def parabola(x):
    """Parabola"""
    return x * x  # parabola

def report(f, domain):
    print("=" * 30)
    print([ (x, round(parabola(domain[0], x),2)) for x in domain]) #
discrete approximation
    print([ (x, round(x**3/3 + 334, 2) ) for x in domain ] )  # limiting
function

domain = range(-10, 11)
report(parabola, domain)

The empirical discrete number for the Riemann Sum (sigma to not yet the
limit)
tracks the calculus result (limiting result) pretty closely.  That's why
we're calling this
the standard segue, the difference being it's in the context of a computer
language
(one with REPL, ala SAGE).

==============================
[(-10, 1.0), (-9, 91.24), (-8, 163.49), (-7, 219.75), (-6, 262.01), (-5,
292.29), (-4, 312.58), (-3, 324.88), (-2, 331.19), (-1, 333.51), (0,
333.83), (1, 334.17), (2, 336.52), (3, 342.88), (4, 355.25), (5, 375.63),
(6, 406.01), (7, 448.41), (8, 504.82), (9, 577.24), (10, 667.67)]
[(-10, 0.67), (-9, 91.0), (-8, 163.33), (-7, 219.67), (-6, 262.0), (-5,
292.33), (-4, 312.67), (-3, 325.0), (-2, 331.33), (-1, 333.67), (0, 334.0),
(1, 334.33), (2, 336.67), (3, 343.0), (4, 355.33), (5, 375.67), (6, 406.0),
(7, 448.33), (8, 504.67), (9, 577.0), (10, 667.33)]

Kirby




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirby Urner <kurner at oreillyschool.com>
> To: edu-sig <edu-sig at python.org>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 3, 2014 3:37 pm
> Subject: [Edu-sig] a segue from discrete math to calculus using Python
>
> """
> Discrete math approach to Calculus
>
> This is what I imagine as a segue from discrete math to
> calc, using Python.  We're using a tiny delta_x = h to
> compute values discretely, and then comparing those
> computed series with functions "at the limit" such as
> calculus would give us.  It's the same segue we typically
> encounter using Sigma notation to introduce Riemann Sum
> notation in Algebra 2 today.  All the assumptions are
> deliberately simplified:  continuous functions in one
> variable.
>
> (c) MIT License, K. Urner, 4D Solutions, 2014
>
> """
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 06:39:36 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:39:36 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] some Pythonic Math for "code scouts"
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3Q_HjGF-yw0JE+cRGed7jE658W0cK8sDoho9_Dx2FKQtQ@mail.gmail.com>

"""
More ActiveMath... by K. Urner (c) MIT License
4dsolutions.net/ocn : Oregon Curriculum Network

Merit badge activity:  study the Method Resolution Order
defined below and make a drawing of the inheritance tree,
with object at the top and ScoutManual at the bottom.
"""

class Cove:
    def wheresWaldo(self):
        return "Waldo is in a Cove"

class Island:
    def wheresWaldo(self):
        return "Waldo is on an Island"

class CampA(Cove):
    pass

class CampB(Cove):
    pass

class CampC(Island):
    pass

class TentQ(CampA, CampB):
    pass

class TentR(CampC):
    pass

class BaseCamp(CampA):
    pass

class HappyCamper(TentQ, TentR):
    pass

class ScoutManual(BaseCamp, HappyCamper):
    pass

#==========

for idx, parent in enumerate(ScoutManual.mro()):
   print ("{:>4}. {}".format(idx, parent))

m = ScoutManual()
print(m.wheresWaldo())
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 18:28:26 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:28:26 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] some Pythonic Math for "code scouts"
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Lest I be accused of introducing a gender bias in scouting, in looking for
"Waldo" and not "Wendy": in my defense looking for Waldo could be
interesting for any gender and besides, neither method is really the point
as it's an inheritance tree diagram that's sought (per docstring).

Elsewhere in my on-line postings you'll see I'm expecting more innovation
from girl scouts actually, but for anthropological reasons we needn't
tediously reiterate here.

Scouting needn't be gender-segregated in the first place, in principle,
lets be clear.  Nothing in the definition of "scout" implies gender.

If anything, the real bias in "scouting" is towards "youth" (scouts are
young) and I'm not especially fighting that bias (already here when I got
here).[0] A "scout leader" may be on the older side and you may have your
history in scouting on your resume no matter how old you are.

Another Python puzzle I want to see more (that'd work in other languages)
of is where you nest data structures very deeply in an insane one-off sort
of way, and challenge the reader to build a reference to it, whatever "it"
is, perhaps a string literal, a buried "X".  Writing a program to randomly
generate such arbitrarily nested structures, along with a solution, as a
pair, would be a next challenge to tackle.

Such puzzles may already be out there.  I once shared a residence with a
staff writer for Games magazine and was astonished by the breadth of puzzle
in print (I always liked making mazing, sometimes solving them).  I'm less
in the loop than in those days, in that regard.  I was a quick train ride
from Manhattan back them, in the lower rent Jersey City, right off Journal
Square behind the Lowe's.[1]

Kirby

[0] I once participated in swimming pool construction project in
Palestinian Ramallah, where the locals joining us were referred to as
"scouts" in English, which got as all picturing youngsters, but they were
more college through adult, no upper limit on age really.  A different
translation would have less nurtured our unrealistic expectations (the work
was too hard for kids, and at sixteen I was probably the youngest in the
entire camp).  Anyway, my point is the connotation of "scout" in English,
though in a military sense a scout is just anyone "scouting ahead" or
"keeping a lookout" or whatever, very generic role and not always played by
youngsters.  Civilians also "scout" i.e. to be "scouting ahead" needn't
imply the theater has been militarized, so I do not regard "scouting" as
ipso facto "paramilitary", though I fully recognize it has gone in that
direction a lot already in some parts of the world.  Long discussion, maybe
on an anthro list.

[1]  this autobio is partly for the benefit of math-teach readers where
we've been talking about my career as a high school math teacher in Jersey
City (a short career, but not because I hated the job, on the contrary one
of the best ever).


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:39 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

> """
> More ActiveMath... by K. Urner (c) MIT License
> 4dsolutions.net/ocn : Oregon Curriculum Network
>
> Merit badge activity:  study the Method Resolution Order
> defined below and make a drawing of the inheritance tree,
> with object at the top and ScoutManual at the bottom.
> """
>
> class Cove:
>     def wheresWaldo(self):
>         return "Waldo is in a Cove"
>
> class Island:
>     def wheresWaldo(self):
>         return "Waldo is on an Island"
>
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From clint.m.johns at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 23:14:11 2014
From: clint.m.johns at gmail.com (Clint Johns)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:14:11 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high school
 year-long course in Python/Javascript
Message-ID: <CAMvTW5RsOZ=+Ls1AhBx9_9yVj4gYFHkkhPh1-SY9wyh+9g8e7A@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Python community,

I have been asked to create an introduction to programming course, with an
emphasis on Python and JavaScript, for this upcoming school year.

My knowledge of Python is beginning/intermediate, but I am willing to learn
in order to make this a viable course. I am interested in interfacing with
LEGO NXT and EV3 robotics kits, and possibly designing some games.

If any of you can point me to some resources, it would be of great help,
and I would be extremely thankful.

Continued success in all you do,

Clint Johns
computer science teacher
San Francisco Bay Area, CA
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From roberto03 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 10:47:18 2014
From: roberto03 at gmail.com (roberto)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:47:18 +0100
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
 school year-long course in Python/Javascript
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Message-ID: <CAA4V-PVAEGTMnArVuHFu1mgb_Dh-znm4p4EnBk=n7FBt50otfA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Clint,
I was in your very situation in the past, and these are resources I
consider good:
-
http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0972705589
- http://inventwithpython.com/
- https://www.udacity.com/course/cs101


According to the level of your students, and yours as well, you might be
more comfortable with one or more of the above mentioned.
I regularly run robotics after-school courses but I've never found
extremely helpful Python on NXT, for a number of technical glitches on it.
I prefer to focus on the learning way more than on the technical aspects of
the business.

Hope this helps!
Have a great day.
Roberto.




On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Clint Johns <clint.m.johns at gmail.com>wrote:

> Greetings Python community,
>
> I have been asked to create an introduction to programming course, with an
> emphasis on Python and JavaScript, for this upcoming school year.
>
> My knowledge of Python is beginning/intermediate, but I am willing to
> learn in order to make this a viable course. I am interested in interfacing
> with LEGO NXT and EV3 robotics kits, and possibly designing some games.
>
> If any of you can point me to some resources, it would be of great help,
> and I would be extremely thankful.
>
> Continued success in all you do,
>
> Clint Johns
> computer science teacher
> San Francisco Bay Area, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pbeens at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 13:00:06 2014
From: pbeens at gmail.com (Peter Beens)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:00:06 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high school
 year-long course in Python/Javascript
Message-ID: <CAMDG2iAeE+QNtMRObPLWy6s6sSkAgZ=9SzESDHi7BzXkO014Xg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using CS Circles in my 11th grade CS class.

http://cscircles.cemc.uwaterloo.ca/

Students can set you up as their "guru" so you can monitor their progress
and they can communicate with you when they are stuck on something.  It's
excellent, IMO.

-Peter


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:00 AM, <edu-sig-request at python.org> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Clint Johns <clint.m.johns at gmail.com>
> To: "edu-sig at python.org" <edu-sig at python.org>
> Cc:
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:14:11 -0800
> Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
> school year-long course in Python/Javascript
> Greetings Python community,
>
> I have been asked to create an introduction to programming course, with an
> emphasis on Python and JavaScript, for this upcoming school year.
>
> My knowledge of Python is beginning/intermediate, but I am willing to
> learn in order to make this a viable course. I am interested in interfacing
> with LEGO NXT and EV3 robotics kits, and possibly designing some games.
>
> If any of you can point me to some resources, it would be of great help,
> and I would be extremely thankful.
>
> Continued success in all you do,
>
> Clint Johns
> computer science teacher
> San Francisco Bay Area, CA
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com>
> To: Clint Johns <clint.m.johns at gmail.com>
> Cc: "edu-sig at python.org" <edu-sig at python.org>
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:47:18 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
> school year-long course in Python/Javascript
> Hi Clint,
> I was in your very situation in the past, and these are resources I
> consider good:
> -
> http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0972705589
> - http://inventwithpython.com/
> - https://www.udacity.com/course/cs101
>
>
> According to the level of your students, and yours as well, you might be
> more comfortable with one or more of the above mentioned.
> I regularly run robotics after-school courses but I've never found
> extremely helpful Python on NXT, for a number of technical glitches on it.
> I prefer to focus on the learning way more than on the technical aspects
> of the business.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Have a great day.
> Roberto.
>
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From litvin at skylit.com  Thu Feb 20 15:59:49 2014
From: litvin at skylit.com (Litvin)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:59:49 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
 school year-long course in Python/Javascript
In-Reply-To: <CAA4V-PVAEGTMnArVuHFu1mgb_Dh-znm4p4EnBk=n7FBt50otfA@mail.g
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References: <CAMvTW5RsOZ=+Ls1AhBx9_9yVj4gYFHkkhPh1-SY9wyh+9g8e7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4V-PVAEGTMnArVuHFu1mgb_Dh-znm4p4EnBk=n7FBt50otfA@mail.gmail.com>
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Roberto,

Thank you for recommending our Math and Python book, but your amazon 
link is to the old edition.
The current edition is at 
http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0982477546, 
also available at www.skylit.com.

Gary Litvin


At 04:47 AM 2/20/2014, roberto wrote:
>Hi Clint,
>I was in your very situation in the past, and these are resources I 
>consider good:
>- 
><http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0972705589>http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0972705589
>- http://inventwithpython.com/
>- <https://www.udacity.com/course/cs101>https://www.udacity.com/course/cs101
>
>
>According to the level of your students, and yours as well, you 
>might be more comfortable with one or more of the above mentioned.
>I regularly run robotics after-school courses but I've never found 
>extremely helpful Python on NXT, for a number of technical glitches on it.
>I prefer to focus on the learning way more than on the technical 
>aspects of the business.
>
>Hope this helps!
>Have a great day.
>Roberto.
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Clint Johns 
><<mailto:clint.m.johns at gmail.com>clint.m.johns at gmail.com> wrote:
>Greetings Python community,
>
>I have been asked to create an introduction to programming course, 
>with an emphasis on Python and JavaScript, for this upcoming school year.
>
>My knowledge of Python is beginning/intermediate, but I am willing 
>to learn in order to make this a viable course. I am interested in 
>interfacing with LEGO NXT and EV3 robotics kits, and possibly 
>designing some games.
>
>If any of you can point me to some resources, it would be of great 
>help, and I would be extremely thankful.
>
>Continued success in all you do,
>
>Clint Johns
>computer science teacher
>San Francisco Bay Area, CA
>
>_______________________________________________
>Edu-sig mailing list
><mailto:Edu-sig at python.org>Edu-sig at python.org
>https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
>
>
>
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From roberto03 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 21:54:44 2014
From: roberto03 at gmail.com (roberto)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:54:44 +0100
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
 school year-long course in Python/Javascript
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140220095607.05d2afc8@skylit.com>
References: <CAMvTW5RsOZ=+Ls1AhBx9_9yVj4gYFHkkhPh1-SY9wyh+9g8e7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4V-PVAEGTMnArVuHFu1mgb_Dh-znm4p4EnBk=n7FBt50otfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7.0.1.0.2.20140220095607.05d2afc8@skylit.com>
Message-ID: <CAA4V-PUGHiv8DiTpx92=Q+sjmjrzTNK4iDDPeO4M8qFOcCJ0hA@mail.gmail.com>

wow, I didn't know that, thanks for sharing

Roberto


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Litvin <litvin at skylit.com> wrote:

>  Roberto,
>
> Thank you for recommending our *Math and Python* book, but your amazon
> link is to the old edition.
> The current edition is at
> http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0982477546, also available at
> www.skylit.com.
>
> Gary Litvin
>
>
>
> At 04:47 AM 2/20/2014, roberto wrote:
>
> Hi Clint,
> I was in your very situation in the past, and these are resources I
> consider good:
> -
> http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0972705589
> - http://inventwithpython.com/
> - https://www.udacity.com/course/cs101
>
>
> According to the level of your students, and yours as well, you might be
> more comfortable with one or more of the above mentioned.
> I regularly run robotics after-school courses but I've never found
> extremely helpful Python on NXT, for a number of technical glitches on it.
> I prefer to focus on the learning way more than on the technical aspects
> of the business.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Have a great day.
> Roberto.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Clint Johns <clint.m.johns at gmail.com >
> wrote:
>  Greetings Python community,
>
> I have been asked to create an introduction to programming course, with an
> emphasis on Python and JavaScript, for this upcoming school year.
>
> My knowledge of Python is beginning/intermediate, but I am willing to
> learn in order to make this a viable course. I am interested in interfacing
> with LEGO NXT and EV3 robotics kits, and possibly designing some games.
>
> If any of you can point me to some resources, it would be of great help,
> and I would be extremely thankful.
>
> Continued success in all you do,
>
> Clint Johns
> computer science teacher
> San Francisco Bay Area, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
> Edu-sig at python.org
>  https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
>
>
>
> --
> Roberto
> _______________________________________________
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> Edu-sig at python.org
>  https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
>


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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 00:59:28 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:59:28 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
 school year-long course in Python/Javascript
In-Reply-To: <CAA4V-PUGHiv8DiTpx92=Q+sjmjrzTNK4iDDPeO4M8qFOcCJ0hA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMvTW5RsOZ=+Ls1AhBx9_9yVj4gYFHkkhPh1-SY9wyh+9g8e7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4V-PVAEGTMnArVuHFu1mgb_Dh-znm4p4EnBk=n7FBt50otfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7.0.1.0.2.20140220095607.05d2afc8@skylit.com>
 <CAA4V-PUGHiv8DiTpx92=Q+sjmjrzTNK4iDDPeO4M8qFOcCJ0hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3RU08SYt9i5Fao9=yijny9UczKJi2g-fQrunZXXLReVvw@mail.gmail.com>

An excellent textbook, mentioned (by me) recently in this ongoing thread:

http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2620194

Kirby


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM, roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com> wrote:

> wow, I didn't know that, thanks for sharing
>
> Roberto
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Litvin <litvin at skylit.com> wrote:
>
>>  Roberto,
>>
>> Thank you for recommending our *Math and Python* book, but your amazon
>> link is to the old edition.
>> The current edition is at
>> http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0982477546, also available at
>> www.skylit.com.
>>
>> Gary Litvin
>>
>>
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From roberto03 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 09:03:45 2014
From: roberto03 at gmail.com (roberto)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:03:45 +0100
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
 school year-long course in Python/Javascript
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3RU08SYt9i5Fao9=yijny9UczKJi2g-fQrunZXXLReVvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMvTW5RsOZ=+Ls1AhBx9_9yVj4gYFHkkhPh1-SY9wyh+9g8e7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4V-PVAEGTMnArVuHFu1mgb_Dh-znm4p4EnBk=n7FBt50otfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7.0.1.0.2.20140220095607.05d2afc8@skylit.com>
 <CAA4V-PUGHiv8DiTpx92=Q+sjmjrzTNK4iDDPeO4M8qFOcCJ0hA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPJgG3RU08SYt9i5Fao9=yijny9UczKJi2g-fQrunZXXLReVvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA4V-PWBMBorG=784pR3gim08jR-1yqNTVp+CVf32wNbCtHHcA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I couldn't find it, would you past the link to the textbook?
I sifted through your post but couldn't find it.

Thanks for sharing.


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:59 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> An excellent textbook, mentioned (by me) recently in this ongoing thread:
>
> http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2620194
>
> Kirby
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM, roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> wow, I didn't know that, thanks for sharing
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Litvin <litvin at skylit.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Roberto,
>>>
>>> Thank you for recommending our *Math and Python* book, but your amazon
>>> link is to the old edition.
>>> The current edition is at
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0982477546, also available at
>>> www.skylit.com.
>>>
>>> Gary Litvin
>>>
>>>


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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 17:10:18 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:10:18 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
 school year-long course in Python/Javascript
In-Reply-To: <CAA4V-PWBMBorG=784pR3gim08jR-1yqNTVp+CVf32wNbCtHHcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMvTW5RsOZ=+Ls1AhBx9_9yVj4gYFHkkhPh1-SY9wyh+9g8e7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4V-PVAEGTMnArVuHFu1mgb_Dh-znm4p4EnBk=n7FBt50otfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7.0.1.0.2.20140220095607.05d2afc8@skylit.com>
 <CAA4V-PUGHiv8DiTpx92=Q+sjmjrzTNK4iDDPeO4M8qFOcCJ0hA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPJgG3RU08SYt9i5Fao9=yijny9UczKJi2g-fQrunZXXLReVvw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPJgG3RQ=6rvkDUvJJKm6oxJnBuw-tS7AAGsC4uX5JZT_vwdcQ@mail.gmail.com>

> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, I couldn't find it, would you past the link to the textbook?
> I sifted through your post but couldn't find it.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>



Hi Roberto --

What I meant was, 'Mathematics for the Digital Age...'
(which you already know about) is an excellent
textbook, and I mentioned it in that thread.  I wonder
if you were thinking a meant some *other* book.

Quoting from the thread I linked to:

"""
Clearly, at one end of the spectrum we have books like 'Mathematics for the
Digital Age and Programming in Python' (used at Phillips / Andover, a
college prep high school, by the authors).

At the other end of the spectrum we have textbooks showing
little-to-no-awareness of the doors one could be opening in high school, to
the prospective CS major. We can score them accordingly, and what I'm
looking for is criteria.

A high school math course should open as many doors as practical and being
CS-friendly in this day and age is an important criterion. I'm telling
parents what they can look for, even if teachers don't seem to care. Look
for examples of functions that are non-numeric in nature.
"""

http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=9391791

Related:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mathfuture/GszzTxcxEoE

Kirby


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:59 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> An excellent textbook, mentioned (by me) recently in this ongoing thread:
>>
>> http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2620194
>>
>> Kirby
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM, roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> wow, I didn't know that, thanks for sharing
>>>
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Litvin <litvin at skylit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Roberto,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for recommending our *Math and Python* book, but your amazon
>>>> link is to the old edition.
>>>> The current edition is at
>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0982477546, also available at
>>>> www.skylit.com.
>>>>
>>>> Gary Litvin
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
> --
> Roberto
>
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From clint.m.johns at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 17:59:32 2014
From: clint.m.johns at gmail.com (Clint Johns)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:59:32 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
 school year-long course in Python/Javascript
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3RQ=6rvkDUvJJKm6oxJnBuw-tS7AAGsC4uX5JZT_vwdcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMvTW5RsOZ=+Ls1AhBx9_9yVj4gYFHkkhPh1-SY9wyh+9g8e7A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4V-PVAEGTMnArVuHFu1mgb_Dh-znm4p4EnBk=n7FBt50otfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7.0.1.0.2.20140220095607.05d2afc8@skylit.com>
 <CAA4V-PUGHiv8DiTpx92=Q+sjmjrzTNK4iDDPeO4M8qFOcCJ0hA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPJgG3RU08SYt9i5Fao9=yijny9UczKJi2g-fQrunZXXLReVvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAA4V-PWBMBorG=784pR3gim08jR-1yqNTVp+CVf32wNbCtHHcA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPJgG3RQ=6rvkDUvJJKm6oxJnBuw-tS7AAGsC4uX5JZT_vwdcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMvTW5RTbX+fpeR4KPwt5Drn8VjUQ1OsPy5_ZrJQrHDBgci6bA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all for the great resources!!!


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:10 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry, I couldn't find it, would you past the link to the textbook?
>> I sifted through your post but couldn't find it.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>
>
>
> Hi Roberto --
>
> What I meant was, 'Mathematics for the Digital Age...'
> (which you already know about) is an excellent
> textbook, and I mentioned it in that thread.  I wonder
> if you were thinking a meant some *other* book.
>
> Quoting from the thread I linked to:
>
> """
> Clearly, at one end of the spectrum we have books like 'Mathematics for the
> Digital Age and Programming in Python' (used at Phillips / Andover, a
> college prep high school, by the authors).
>
> At the other end of the spectrum we have textbooks showing
> little-to-no-awareness of the doors one could be opening in high school, to
> the prospective CS major. We can score them accordingly, and what I'm
> looking for is criteria.
>
> A high school math course should open as many doors as practical and being
> CS-friendly in this day and age is an important criterion. I'm telling
> parents what they can look for, even if teachers don't seem to care. Look
> for examples of functions that are non-numeric in nature.
> """
>
> http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=9391791
>
> Related:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mathfuture/GszzTxcxEoE
>
> Kirby
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:59 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> An excellent textbook, mentioned (by me) recently in this ongoing thread:
>>>
>>> http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2620194
>>>
>>> Kirby
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM, roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> wow, I didn't know that, thanks for sharing
>>>>
>>>> Roberto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Litvin <litvin at skylit.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Roberto,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for recommending our *Math and Python* book, but your
>>>>> amazon link is to the old edition.
>>>>> The current edition is at
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0982477546, also available at
>>>>> www.skylit.com.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Litvin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Roberto
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From roberto03 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 19:15:06 2014
From: roberto03 at gmail.com (roberto)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:15:06 +0100
Subject: [Edu-sig] Looking for a course syllabus exemplars for a high
 school year-long course in Python/Javascript
In-Reply-To: <CAMvTW5RTbX+fpeR4KPwt5Drn8VjUQ1OsPy5_ZrJQrHDBgci6bA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <7.0.1.0.2.20140220095607.05d2afc8@skylit.com>
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thanks Kirby,
I just misunderstood

Roberto


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Clint Johns <clint.m.johns at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thank you all for the great resources!!!
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:10 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sorry, I couldn't find it, would you past the link to the textbook?
>>> I sifted through your post but couldn't find it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Roberto --
>>
>> What I meant was, 'Mathematics for the Digital Age...'
>> (which you already know about) is an excellent
>> textbook, and I mentioned it in that thread.  I wonder
>> if you were thinking a meant some *other* book.
>>
>> Quoting from the thread I linked to:
>>
>> """
>> Clearly, at one end of the spectrum we have books like 'Mathematics for
>> the
>> Digital Age and Programming in Python' (used at Phillips / Andover, a
>> college prep high school, by the authors).
>>
>> At the other end of the spectrum we have textbooks showing
>> little-to-no-awareness of the doors one could be opening in high school,
>> to
>> the prospective CS major. We can score them accordingly, and what I'm
>> looking for is criteria.
>>
>> A high school math course should open as many doors as practical and being
>> CS-friendly in this day and age is an important criterion. I'm telling
>> parents what they can look for, even if teachers don't seem to care. Look
>> for examples of functions that are non-numeric in nature.
>> """
>>
>> http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=9391791
>>
>> Related:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mathfuture/GszzTxcxEoE
>>
>> Kirby
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:59 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> An excellent textbook, mentioned (by me) recently in this ongoing
>>>> thread:
>>>>
>>>> http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2620194
>>>>
>>>> Kirby
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM, roberto <roberto03 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wow, I didn't know that, thanks for sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> Roberto
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Litvin <litvin at skylit.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Roberto,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for recommending our *Math and Python* book, but your
>>>>>> amazon link is to the old edition.
>>>>>> The current edition is at
>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Digital-Age-Programming-Python/dp/0982477546, also available at
>>>>>> www.skylit.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary Litvin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edu-sig mailing list
>> Edu-sig at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>>
>>
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 20:26:44 2014
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:26:44 -0800
Subject: [Edu-sig] edu-sig web page
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As a former author / maintainer of the edu-sig
web page and frequent visitor thereto, I have

(a) welcomed the new beta website and

(b) sent some feedback to the effect that:

   (i) opening first link / mention of this edu-sig
       maillist gets "permission denied"

   (ii) opening last link / mention of this edu-sig
        maillist gets full listing of all SIGs

I have high hopes both glitches will be fixed
in short order and wanted to document my
actions here so we don't all send the same
feedback.  On the other hand, maybe that'd
help improve the infrastructure?

Let us wait and see.

Good job on that new Python.org website eh?

Kirby
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From andre.roberge at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 20:59:50 2014
From: andre.roberge at gmail.com (Andre Roberge)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:59:50 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] edu-sig web page
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 3:26 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> As a former author / maintainer of the edu-sig
> web page and frequent visitor thereto, I have
>
> (a) welcomed the new beta website and
>
> (b) sent some feedback to the effect that:
>
>    (i) opening first link / mention of this edu-sig
>        maillist gets "permission denied"
>
>    (ii) opening last link / mention of this edu-sig
>         maillist gets full listing of all SIGs
>

Thanks for doing that Kirby.


>
> I have high hopes both glitches will be fixed
> in short order and wanted to document my
> actions here so we don't all send the same
> feedback.  On the other hand, maybe that'd
> help improve the infrastructure?
>
> Let us wait and see.
>
> Good job on that new Python.org website eh?
>

Very nice job, I agree.

As I voluntary withdrew as a maintainer of the edu-sig web page (and indeed
from almost all other Python related activities), I feel hesitant to
complain.  But, I am surprised that:

1. in spite of having seen people volunteering for maintaining the edu-sig
web page when I left, I never saw anyone "approved by the proper
authorities" to do so.

2. the Education link at the top does not bring any information about the
existence of edu-sig (both the web page and this list).

3. at the bottom of http://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig/,
it is suggested that changes to that page should be sent to this list.
 But, I am not aware of how this can bring about changes as I don't know
anyone on this list having the proper "rights" to bring about changes.

Still, a very nice change to the website.  Hopefully, it will soon all get
sorted out.

Andr?



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