[Distutils] The problem with Setuptools on Python 3.

[Tarek Ziadé]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, David Cournapeau
<david at ar.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp> wrote:
> Paul Moore wrote:
>>
>> Are you saying that you need to use setuptools (or at least the
>> feaures of setuptools) to develop setuptools? That's crazy.To run the
>> setuptools tests, just run the test.py (or whatever) script. The
>> setuptools ability to type python setup.py test, while convenient,
>> simply isn't available while you're developing setuptools. The same
>> logic applies to *any* setuptools feature that is used in the
>> development of setuptools itself. Trying to make it available adds
>> lots of complexity for the benefit of very few people (ie, people
>> writing the setuptools code).
>>
>> Bootstrapping like this should be reserved for people writing C
>> compilers in C, and other equally major-league projects.
>>
>
> I don't know the details of setuptools, but it is generally quite
> tempting to develop a new build/distribution tool using the new build
> tool, with some bootstrap process. That's how most build tools I know
> work, actually. FWIW, we use this as well in numpy for numpy.distutils
> extensions.
>
> And as much as you can count me in the "not a setuptools fan camp", I
> think it is easy to say  setuptools code is bad - that's the natural
> reaction, really, and I would be surprised if P.J.E would not agree. But
> I also think anyone who had to deal with distutils extensions will tell
> you the same story - that's inherent to how distutils was conceived (10
> years ago) and implemented. The distutils codebase is pretty horrible -
> I find m4 macro and 100000 lines of shell code in autoconf easier to
> deal with, really. You can deal with it, but it will certainly never be
> pretty.
>

this can change. I am working on it. I need feedback though.

let me know how my extension code proposal fits your needs.

http://wiki.python.org/moin/Distutils/ManifestPluginSystem/Draft


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