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From wilson@visi.com  Fri Jul  7 22:29:18 2000
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:29:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [DB-SIG] Mirroring DBs with Python
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007071622020.16438-100000@isis.visi.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm interested is putting Python to work at my school doing what would seem
to be a relatively straight-forward task. I'd appreciate it if someone would
comment on the feasiblity of this or the best general approach.

Let's assume I've got Oracle running on Solaris at a remote site, accessible 
via the Internet. The database is made of many tables with data referring to
many different schools. I'd like to do a query on that remote database,
pulling out the data that refers to my school only, and mirror the results
to a local DB running on Linux while maintaining the exact same table
structure. The local DB would likely be PostgreSQL or MySQL. (The overall
goal is to make that data accessible via Zope.) That local DB could be
read-only.

Does this sound reasonable?

Would it make a difference if Oracle was on NT instead of Solaris?

-Tim

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From tbryan@starship.beopen.com  Sun Jul  9 18:46:16 2000
From: tbryan@starship.beopen.com (Tom Bryan)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DB-SIG] Mirroring DBs with Python
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007071622020.16438-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007091030300.29246-100000@starship.beopen.com>

On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> I'm interested is putting Python to work at my school doing what would
> seem to be a relatively straight-forward task. I'd appreciate it if
> someone would comment on the feasiblity of this or the best general
> approach.

Very feasible, assuming that the speed of your link is fast enough to suck
down the data you need.

> Let's assume I've got Oracle running on Solaris at a remote site,
> accessible via the Internet. 

Hmm...does that mean that you have a user account on the database?  That
is, can you login to the Oracle database yourself?  Or is this some sort
of Web database accessible via some CGI/HTML forms interface?  It's still
feasible, but it will greatly affect your approach.

> The database is made of many tables with data referring to many
> different schools. I'd like to do a query on that remote database,
> pulling out the data that refers to my school only, and mirror the
> results to a local DB running on Linux while maintaining the exact
> same table structure. The local DB would likely be PostgreSQL or
> MySQL. (The overall goal is to make that data accessible via Zope.)
> That local DB could be read-only.

There are multiple ways to accomplish this task, and the way you choose
depends at least partially on the details of your situation.  Here's one
example: 
1. You have Oracle for Linux installed on your machine.
2. You have Postgre/My-SQL for Linux installed on your machine.
3. You build DCOracle on your machine.
4. You bulid the Postgre/My-SQL Python extensions on your machine.
5. You write a Python program to 
 a) log into the other database to extract the data
 b) log into your database to populate the data

Other options might include using mxODBC to interface with both databases,
or using Python to extract data to flat text files that will later be bulk
loaded, or using Python to extract data and write an SQL file of insert
statements.

> Does this sound reasonable?

Yes, depending upon which solution you choose.  The reasonable choice will
make sense given your resources (hardware and bandwidth), your experience
with Python and with databases, and the amount of data that you're trying
to mirror.

> Would it make a difference if Oracle was on NT instead of Solaris?

For most of the solutions proposed above...not much.  You could also
"push" the data from the machine where the Oracle database is
installed.  In that case, you may choose to use a different extension to
interface with Oracle on Windows NT, and you could play with COM on
Windows NT.  For the most part, it should be mostly transparent to your
code.

---Tom




From wilson@visi.com  Sun Jul  9 19:21:50 2000
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:21:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [DB-SIG] Mirroring DBs with Python
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007091030300.29246-100000@starship.beopen.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007091315250.6325-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Tom Bryan wrote:

> Very feasible, assuming that the speed of your link is fast enough to suck
> down the data you need.

We've got a T1 between the machines. That shouldn't be a problem.

> > Let's assume I've got Oracle running on Solaris at a remote site,
> > accessible via the Internet. 
> 
> Hmm...does that mean that you have a user account on the database?  That
> is, can you login to the Oracle database yourself?

Well, presumably we would set up a user account on the Oracle database for
this purpose. I suspected that this would probably work, and since a couple
people have given the same opinion I'll dig in and figure out the specifics
with the folks who own the Oracle DB.

> There are multiple ways to accomplish this task, and the way you choose
> depends at least partially on the details of your situation.  Here's one
> example: 
> 1. You have Oracle for Linux installed on your machine.
> 2. You have Postgre/My-SQL for Linux installed on your machine.
> 3. You build DCOracle on your machine.
> 4. You bulid the Postgre/My-SQL Python extensions on your machine.
> 5. You write a Python program to 
>  a) log into the other database to extract the data
>  b) log into your database to populate the data

I don't really have enough details to figure out which is the best approach,
but I suspect that it would be easiest to run the query on the remote
machine and save the result to a flat text file that could be imported into
our local DB. 

> > Does this sound reasonable?
> 
> Yes, depending upon which solution you choose.  The reasonable choice will
> make sense given your resources (hardware and bandwidth), your experience
> with Python and with databases, and the amount of data that you're trying
> to mirror.

Suffice it to say that this will be a good learning experience. :-)

Thanks to you and others who provided helpful feeback. I'll let you all know
how it works out.

-Tim

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From bradh@mediaone.net  Sun Jul  9 21:37:43 2000
From: bradh@mediaone.net (Brad Howes)
Date: 09 Jul 2000 16:37:43 -0400
Subject: [DB-SIG] Mirroring DBs with Python
In-Reply-To: Timothy Wilson's message of "Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:29:18 -0500 (CDT)"
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007071622020.16438-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <m3n1jr59bc.fsf@h0050047c4794.ne.mediaone.net>

Timothy Wilson <wilson@visi.com> writes:

> Let's assume I've got Oracle running on Solaris at a remote site, accessible 
> via the Internet. The database is made of many tables with data referring to
> many different schools. I'd like to do a query on that remote database,
> pulling out the data that refers to my school only, and mirror the results
> to a local DB running on Linux while maintaining the exact same table
> structure. The local DB would likely be PostgreSQL or MySQL. (The overall
> goal is to make that data accessible via Zope.) That local DB could be
> read-only.

Oracle now(?) sells a product called iCache, which does just this. My company
is trying it out. The nice thing about it (apart from the performance boost) is
that it is all managed thru their Java Enterprise Manager.

As to your specific goal, it is doable -- just takes time and effort migrating
the data from one DB to another.

Brad
-- 
    "Were people this stupid before TV?" -- _White Noise_ by Don DeLillo



From hernan@orgmf.com.ar  Mon Jul 10 01:26:36 2000
From: hernan@orgmf.com.ar (Hernan Martinez Foffani)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:26:36 -0300
Subject: [DB-SIG] Mirroring DBs with Python
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007091315250.6325-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <000a01bfea05$8237e320$c101010a@pez-volador>

From: Of Timothy Wilson
>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Tom Bryan wrote:
>
> We've got a T1 between the machines. That shouldn't be a problem.
>
> > There are multiple ways to accomplish this task, and the way you choose
> > depends at least partially on the details of your situation.  Here's one
> > example:
....
> > 3. You build DCOracle on your machine.
....
>
> I don't really have enough details to figure out which is the
> best approach, ....

I think the easiest way is access the remote Oracle Database from Zope
directly.
Note that Zope has a SQL cache specially designed for read (selects) access.
If your tests then shows that the link between Zope and the Oracle backend
needs a local database you can program it later. You might save yourself a
lot of time.
Regards,
Hernan



From tbryan@starship.beopen.com  Mon Jul 10 02:29:02 2000
From: tbryan@starship.beopen.com (Tom Bryan)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:29:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DB-SIG] Mirroring DBs with Python
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007091315250.6325-100000@isis.visi.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007091822140.2403-100000@starship.beopen.com>

On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Timothy Wilson wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Tom Bryan wrote:

[...snip...]

> > Hmm...does that mean that you have a user account on the database?  That
> > is, can you login to the Oracle database yourself?
> 
> Well, presumably we would set up a user account on the Oracle database
> for this purpose. I suspected that this would probably work, and since
> a couple people have given the same opinion I'll dig in and figure out
> the specifics with the folks who own the Oracle DB.

Good.  I wasn't sure whether the people who owned the Oracle database were
a involved with this effort, or whether you were mirroring their data
without their cooperation.

> > There are multiple ways to accomplish this task, and the way you choose
> > depends at least partially on the details of your situation.  Here's one
> > example: 
> > 1. You have Oracle for Linux installed on your machine.
> > 2. You have Postgre/My-SQL for Linux installed on your machine.
> > 3. You build DCOracle on your machine.
> > 4. You bulid the Postgre/My-SQL Python extensions on your machine.
> > 5. You write a Python program to 
> >  a) log into the other database to extract the data
> >  b) log into your database to populate the data
> 
> I don't really have enough details to figure out which is the best
> approach, but I suspect that it would be easiest to run the query on
> the remote machine and save the result to a flat text file that could
> be imported into our local DB.

Maybe, but if you have an Oracle guru, then you should be able to install
the client libraries for Oracle, build something like DCOracle or mxODBC,
and connect across the network.  I suppose that part of the question is
whether your primary goal is "get it done" or "learn as much as
possible."  :)
 
> Thanks to you and others who provided helpful feeback. I'll let you
> all know how it works out.

Thanks.  I always like to hear new hack^H^H^H^Htricks to add to my bag.
;-)

---Tom




From wilson@visi.com  Mon Jul 10 04:58:54 2000
From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:58:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [DB-SIG] Mirroring DBs with Python
In-Reply-To: <000a01bfea05$8237e320$c101010a@pez-volador>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007092255150.27753-100000@isis.visi.com>

On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Hernan Martinez Foffani wrote:

> I think the easiest way is access the remote Oracle Database from Zope
> directly.
> Note that Zope has a SQL cache specially designed for read (selects) access.
> If your tests then shows that the link between Zope and the Oracle backend
> needs a local database you can program it later. You might save yourself a
> lot of time.

Yes, I considered that as my first option, but tentatively ruled it out
given the general unreliability of the network between these machines. Zope
will have to be getting data from this DB almost constantly. I'm not
prepared to count on accessing Oracle directly to make everything fly. Note:
It's not Oracle's problem, but it seems to be rather less than ideal system
administration on the part of the folks with contract with.

-tim

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From brunson@level3.net  Fri Jul 14 18:05:17 2000
From: brunson@level3.net (Eric Brunson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:05:17 -0600
Subject: [DB-SIG] Whence oci?
Message-ID: <20000714110517.A29973@level3.net>


I just installed Oracle 8.1.5i on my Linux box and I was trying to
compile DCOracle, but oci doesn't seem to be installed and I can't
find it listed in the installer.  Can anyone tell me if this should be
part of the Oracle distro, and if so, what is it part of?

Thanks,
e.

-- 
Eric Brunson - brunson@level3.net - page-eric@level3.net  

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people
fear the government there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson


From brunson@level3.net  Fri Jul 14 19:57:24 2000
From: brunson@level3.net (Eric Brunson)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:57:24 -0600
Subject: [DB-SIG] DCOracle - prepare samples needed.
In-Reply-To: <036401bfdb87$9a149010$1ce8f5c8@itanet.com.br>; from lhonda@zip.net on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 10:50:03AM -0300
References: <036401bfdb87$9a149010$1ce8f5c8@itanet.com.br>
Message-ID: <20000714125724.A6997@level3.net>

It's pretty simple with DCOracle.

Assuming a valid connection object named 'dbc':

h = dbc.prepare( sql )

# a handle always takes a tuple of positional parameters
h.execute( ( 1, ) )

# Now it acts just like a cursor object
for ( name, ) in h.fetchall():
    print name


e.

* Luiz Tadao Honda (lhonda@zip.net) [000621 09:30]:
> Hi,
> 
> I trying to prepare a query with input parameters like:
> 
> sql='select name from user where id=:p1'
> 
> to let Oracle make the execution plan only once and then substitute the
> variable p1 with the real values.
> Does anyone have some samples to help me?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Luiz Honda
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> DB-SIG maillist  -  DB-SIG@python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/db-sig


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From tbryan@starship.beopen.com  Sat Jul 15 13:56:56 2000
From: tbryan@starship.beopen.com (Tom Bryan)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:56:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DB-SIG] Whence oci?
In-Reply-To: <20000714110517.A29973@level3.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007150550010.6954-100000@starship.beopen.com>

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Eric Brunson wrote:

> I just installed Oracle 8.1.5i on my Linux box and I was trying to
> compile DCOracle, but oci doesn't seem to be installed and I can't
> find it listed in the installer.  Can anyone tell me if this should be
> part of the Oracle distro, and if so, what is it part of?

When you're trying to build an extension, it's best to paste exactly what
error you're getting during the build into your message.  Then tell us
what your configuration is and what you've already tried.

It's possible that you have everything that you need but that the compiler
can't find the libraries that it needs.  For example, I think that the
build assumes that your ORACLE_HOME environment variable has been set
properly.  Without more details, I can't really tell what you might be
missing or what else could be wrong.

---Tom




From j.andrusaitis@konts.lv  Mon Jul 17 08:49:14 2000
From: j.andrusaitis@konts.lv (=?us-ascii?Q?Jckabs_Andru=3Faitis?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:49:14 -0700
Subject: [DB-SIG] Something funny
In-Reply-To: <21C329F5D668D211BFAF004033902B6309B745@NTBARONS>
Message-ID: <21C329F5D668D211BFAF004033902B6309AD7B@NTBARONS>

I am using OLD Oracle module (it header says Copyright 1996 by Digital
Creations).
I assume it might be outdated version of DCOracle or something :-)
Well, it works for me right, and I have patched it to meet my needs (ability
to create Python Oracle connection object from connection established by
Embedded
SQL in C file - I use Python as embedded scripting language and in order to
speed
things up I connect to Oracle only once - at program boot).
Anyhow, all this was just some background information.

My problem is following. In that Oracle module there is a method (for cursor
object) - execute() - yeah, you guessed - it is function which parses and
executes
SQL statements ;). If statement is update/delete, it does return number of
rows
affected. It is done by:
	PyInt_FromLong(cur->cda[0].rpc);
Where cur->cda[0].rpc is that needed number of rows (defined as 'unsigned
int' in
structure definition).

From Python I am executing statement like:
a= dbc.execute("update xxx set yyy='Mooo' where zzz=:1",('Meee',))
if a!=0: dbc.execute("insert into xxx values('Mooo',:1)",('Meee',))

The problem is that second statement NEVER executes in my example as
dbc.execute()
returns None, not the number!
In addition must say, that in stand-alone Python interpreter (without
embedding
this code into my C application it seems to work all right).
Also, I added some debug information to this Oracle module, and before
'return res;'
statement in execute() method return value IS number (checked it by printing
it out
using Python functions)!!!

I am a bit confused, as I cannot think of what could possibly be wrong.
Mayhaps
the problem is improperly linked binary file (I link Oracle module
statically into
python/libpython, and then link it statically to my executable).

Anyhow - any ideas are welcome.

Jekabs



From j.andrusaitis@konts.lv  Mon Jul 17 11:00:24 2000
From: j.andrusaitis@konts.lv (=?us-ascii?Q?Jckabs_Andru=3Faitis?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:00:24 -0700
Subject: [DB-SIG] Something funny
In-Reply-To: <21C329F5D668D211BFAF004033902B6309B746@NTBARONS>
Message-ID: <21C329F5D668D211BFAF004033902B6309AD7C@NTBARONS>

Forget about this mail - I found the problem.
Some time ago I implemented a descendant class of cursor (in Python)
to log SQL statements I was executing and their time consumption.
This descendant class was the one, which lost the return values for
execute() method.

Jekabs



From bzimmer@ziclix.com  Tue Jul 25 13:54:55 2000
From: bzimmer@ziclix.com (brian zimmer)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:54:55 -0500
Subject: [DB-SIG] additional database module
Message-ID: <NDBBIDOKMKGNIOENKACFMEGPCGAA.bzimmer@ziclix.com>

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Hello,

Sorry to post to the whole group, but since I am not sure who maintains the
Python Database Modules listing I am posting my request here.  I would like
to have a link added to the list for zxJDBC, my JPython DB API 2.0 compliant
database module.  JDBC provides a bridge for ODBC, so you can use the module
from JPython/Java and still have access to the same ODBC drivers currently
being used as well as, of course, using native JDBC drivers.  I have also
added a number of extensions to come as close as possible to duplicating the
additional functionality of mxODBC so as to allow seamless use of both
Python platforms.  It can be found at http://ziclix.com/zxjdbc.

thanks,

brian

brian zimmer
bzimmer@ziclix.com

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From jsturman@cvtci.com.ar  Wed Jul 26 19:59:49 2000
From: jsturman@cvtci.com.ar (Javier Sturman)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:59:49 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [DB-SIG] sql server module
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007261556550.1718-100000@leeloo.prometea.com>

Hi, I'm new in python programming.

Is there any module to access Ms SqlServer 7?
is it better to use odbc? In that case where can I get the module?

thanks.



From tbryan@starship.beopen.com  Thu Jul 27 01:27:20 2000
From: tbryan@starship.beopen.com (Tom Bryan)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:27:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [DB-SIG] sql server module
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0007261556550.1718-100000@leeloo.prometea.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007261723360.4981-100000@starship.beopen.com>


On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Javier Sturman wrote:

> Hi, I'm new in python programming.

Welcome. :)

> Is there any module to access Ms SqlServer 7?
> is it better to use odbc? In that case where can I get the module?

If you're programming on a Windows machine, there 
are two modules: odbc and dbi.  They are included with 
the Windows win32 extensions.  There's an old but useful 
example of how to use them at
http://www.python.org/windows/win32/odbc.html

---Tom




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Subject: [DB-SIG] The Western Web Newsletter
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