From sureshvv at hotmail.com  Fri May  1 07:27:23 2015
From: sureshvv at hotmail.com (suresh vv)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 22:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Chennaipy] Chennaipy Digest, Vol 20, Issue 23
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I would like to present:
1. Plone - Content Management System for the future2. Py.test - Helps you write better programs
Let me know if there is interest in these topics.

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> From: Shrikant Giridhar <shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Chennaipy] An Idea for Lightning talks
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> I had an idea for a kind of talks we could encourage people to take up.
> 
> I was recently reading Peter Norvig's solution [1] for an interesting puzzle
> from the NYT where he translates the problem from English to Python to
> 'solve
> it with computer'. The solution was elegant and the way it brought out the
> nuances of our 'common sense' was beautiful.
> 
> I've read Norvig's code for a Sudoku solver [2] before, which is similarly
> beautiful and is (IMO) an exhibit on how to turn 'word problems' from
> English to
> Python.
> 
> With this context, I was wondering if it would be a good idea for
> prospective
> speakers to take up such small snippets of interesting (and suitably
> licensed)
> Python code and present a short walkthrough in one of the lightning talks?
> 
> Usually, I am not a fan of having large chunks of code on slides but I feel
> this could work if handled well i.e. by usefully annotating the trickier
> parts, adding other references and by not getting lost in the specific
> nuances of implementation, rather focusing on the bigger ideas and how they
> map to Pythonic idioms.
> 
> The best part IMO, is that such talks would require no specialized
> knowledge.
> All you need is time and a good Python reference (the docs are a good place
> to
> start) and you're ready to deliver a solid talk.
> 
> One stumbling block I can see at the moment is the lack of a metric to
> judge what
> code is worth presenting. People would (understandably) disagree on what
> they
> deem to be good code and without an objective metric, the whole idea would
> be
> useless.
> 
> Also, it requires a certain amount of experience and 'taste' to pick which
> parts
> of code are the ones with the cool stuff and what is just labor to get work
> done.
> This, obviously, demands much of the speaker and requires good judgment on
> their
> part to not lose sight of the forest for the trees.
> 
> Anyways, I am just throwing an idea into the pot. I'm interested in reading
> what
> others think of this!
> 
> [1] http://nbviewer.ipython.org/url/norvig.com/ipython/Cheryl.ipynb
> [2] http://norvig.com/sudoku.html
> 
> Shrikant Giridhar
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From shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com  Fri May  1 16:08:03 2015
From: shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com (Shrikant Giridhar)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 19:38:03 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Chennaipy Digest, Vol 20, Issue 23
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:27:23PM -0700, suresh vv wrote:
> I would like to present:
> 1. Plone - Content Management System for the future2. Py.test - Helps you write better programs
> Let me know if there is interest in these topics.

Welcome to the mailing list! It is great to have speakers coming forward
to do talks early! :-)

For the topics, the second topic looks useful to me. A large proportion
of our audience might be beginners and somehow we haven't had any basic
talks on testing techniques yet (apart from Vijay's talk in March IIRC).
So, if we're voting, +1 from me on (2).

On another note, I noticed that you replied to a digest email. Digest
emails are not to be replied to since they are intended as a summary
solely for your consumption. It also makes the mail header unintelligible
and your post might end up getting ignored by a majority of the readers.

Also, please remove the digest content from your mail before replying and
change the mail header.

I hope to see your talk at the next meetup!


Shrikant Giridhar

From vijaykumar at zilogic.com  Tue May  5 03:29:02 2015
From: vijaykumar at zilogic.com (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2015 06:59:02 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
Message-ID: <55481CDE.6070301@zilogic.com>

Hi Everyone,
the monthly meet is on the 23rd of this month. If you
are interested in giving a 20 min talk, please send in
talk title and short description.

Regards,
Vijay

From sureshvv at hotmail.com  Tue May  5 12:52:11 2015
From: sureshvv at hotmail.com (suresh vv)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 03:52:11 -0700
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
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Unfortunately I will be missing this month as I won't be in town.
Hoping to join all of you again in June.
Suresh

 		 	   		  
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Tue May  5 19:01:46 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 22:31:46 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
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On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:22 PM, suresh vv <sureshvv at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately I will be missing this month as I won't be in town.

Bummer. Was looking forward to a py.test talk. Maybe next time :) Have
a safe trip!

From sureshvv at hotmail.com  Wed May  6 13:45:26 2015
From: sureshvv at hotmail.com (suresh vv)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 04:45:26 -0700
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
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Don't worry. Will come back armed with vacation photos and work them into my talk.

Just kidding!
SureshProgrammer-at-large 		 	   		  
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Wed May  6 13:50:31 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 17:20:31 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
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References: <mailman.59.1430906405.32413.chennaipy@python.org>
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On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:15 PM, suresh vv <sureshvv at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Don't worry. Will come back armed with vacation photos and work them
> into my talk.

Awesome. Then a slide like this[1] for you will make proper sense as
opposed to mine :D

[1]: https://speakerdeck.com/shrayasr/python-imap-and-gmail?slide=3

From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Wed May  6 19:05:17 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2015 22:35:17 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Logo Contest: Cast Your Vote
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References: <5531C227.8020401@bravegnu.org>
Message-ID: <554A49CD.1050001@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
We will be closing the poll by end-of-day tomorrow. If you haven't cast
your vote yet, please do so.

Regards,
Vijay

From chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com  Thu May  7 12:32:33 2015
From: chandankumar.093047 at gmail.com (chandan kumar)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 16:02:33 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Fwd: [Inpycon] Registrations open!
In-Reply-To: <CA+6J308pHD01kj3ky8rVDRq2mRQ8AyTdRMZogd_e7FbtBh_ktA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+6J308pHD01kj3ky8rVDRq2mRQ8AyTdRMZogd_e7FbtBh_ktA@mail.gmail.com>
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FYI
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From: Haris Ibrahim K. V. <blucalvin at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 7, 2015 at 8:23 AM
Subject: [Inpycon] Registrations open!
To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference <inpycon at python.org>


Ladies and Gentlemen,

Registrations are open:
https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/registrations-open.html

Spread the word! And oh, get your tickets as well. :)

Cheers!

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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Thu May  7 13:13:19 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 16:43:19 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Registrations for PyCon India 2015 are open!
Message-ID: <CAEkH89OgVgASvAZ2V__7pO7aSN_4UqvfhGpZwpFfoh-Aftnh+w@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

The registrations for this year's PyCon opened this morning and the
tickets are selling like hot cakes. There are less than 20 left out in
the early bird category (might be lesser now).

Grab them while you can:
https://in.pycon.org/blog/2015/registrations-open.html and spread the
word yo!

Alternate idea: We can do a small user groups meetup there with people
of other cities to get a feel of how they do things, might be cool.
What do you think?

Regards,
Shrayas

From chintukoshy at gmail.com  Thu May  7 13:59:37 2015
From: chintukoshy at gmail.com (Chintu Philips Koshy)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 17:29:37 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Registrations for PyCon India 2015 are open!
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89OgVgASvAZ2V__7pO7aSN_4UqvfhGpZwpFfoh-Aftnh+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkH89OgVgASvAZ2V__7pO7aSN_4UqvfhGpZwpFfoh-Aftnh+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe-_0o+r0FnyRdtmLFe+oin0GY6UJV30Jp=4X9mqXC89_S9GQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
.
.
.
> Alternate idea: We can do a small user groups meetup there with people
> of other cities to get a feel of how they do things, might be cool.
> What do you think?

+1 to that

Regards,

From chintukoshy at gmail.com  Thu May  7 14:02:14 2015
From: chintukoshy at gmail.com (Chintu Philips Koshy)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 17:32:14 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Registrations for PyCon India 2015 are open!
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89OgVgASvAZ2V__7pO7aSN_4UqvfhGpZwpFfoh-Aftnh+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkH89OgVgASvAZ2V__7pO7aSN_4UqvfhGpZwpFfoh-Aftnh+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe-_0p2riVmjaNoevr1zHjdCyj=M75KO5+5qKSGwF3nmVWgcg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
.
.
.
> Alternate idea: We can do a small user groups meetup there with people
> of other cities to get a feel of how they do things, might be cool.
> What do you think?

+1 to that
Maybe we should travel together too if possible.


Regards,
Chintu Koshy

From deepsukhwani at gmail.com  Thu May  7 16:16:24 2015
From: deepsukhwani at gmail.com (Deep Sukhwani)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 19:46:24 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] PyCon India Ticket Status Update!
Message-ID: <CAEMqiPefUyyWDt6YFSQ1CuwUym5-Fh9yapsQW1WKL1vbf+kQmw@mail.gmail.com>

?
Early Bird tickets are now sold out and we have opened regular tickets.

Book now to secure yourself a place at PyCon India 2015.

We look forward to see you there!

--
Regards
Deep L Sukhwani
Mob: +91 9687 000 830
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From deepsukhwani at gmail.com  Thu May  7 16:22:18 2015
From: deepsukhwani at gmail.com (Deep Sukhwani)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 19:52:18 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] PyCon India Ticket Status Update!
In-Reply-To: <CAEMqiPefUyyWDt6YFSQ1CuwUym5-Fh9yapsQW1WKL1vbf+kQmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEMqiPefUyyWDt6YFSQ1CuwUym5-Fh9yapsQW1WKL1vbf+kQmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEMqiPemRtTYma3JQTjv4fd3SZjfphDsrqFfcf41qYkVcuVMFg@mail.gmail.com>

?
Apologies,

Here is the registration link for PyCon India 2015:
https://in.explara.com/e/pycon-india-2015

Regards
Deep L Sukhwani
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From psvr2411 at gmail.com  Fri May  8 11:56:36 2015
From: psvr2411 at gmail.com (Shyam Venkatraman)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 15:26:36 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] A python Newbie - Eager to learn !
Message-ID: <CALjdLtqcjbVrDrdjpGjXAT_yNFJkibS+P+RP7Wti1ufx7aRJyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ,
This is Shyam Venkatraman.
I have recently joined the Chennaipy group at meetup website. I am a final
year student going to *graduate in June 2015.*
I will be working in* Data Analytics during my job.*
I am *new to python and have zero experience.*
But I have been coding for the past 4 years and have fair amount of
knowledge in C,CPP, Java, PHP and have also done web development using
HTML5, CSS3.
I have worked on Databases like MySQL,MS Access.
I am also familiar with MS Excel and Access Macros.
I *expect to learn Python at Chennaipy* and *do my contribution* as much as
possible and also *network with proficient Python programmers.*

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PSG COLLEGE OF TECHNOLOGY
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From me at kirang.in  Fri May  8 14:51:51 2015
From: me at kirang.in (Kiran Gangadharan)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 18:21:51 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] A python Newbie - Eager to learn !
In-Reply-To: <CALjdLtqcjbVrDrdjpGjXAT_yNFJkibS+P+RP7Wti1ufx7aRJyw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Shyam,

Welcome to ChennaiPy! I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun learning Python
and interacting with the community :)


On Fri, May 8, 2015, at 03:26 PM, Shyam Venkatraman wrote:
> Hi , This is Shyam Venkatraman. I have recently joined the Chennaipy
> group at meetup website. I am a final year student going to *graduate
> in June 2015.* I will be working in* Data Analytics during my job.* I
> am *new to python and have zero experience.* But I have been coding
> for the past 4 years and have fair amount of knowledge in C,CPP, Java,
> PHP and have also done web development using HTML5, CSS3. I have
> worked on Databases like MySQL,MS Access. I am also familiar with MS
> Excel and Access Macros. I *expect to learn Python at Chennaipy* and
> *do my contribution* as much as possible and also *network with
> proficient Python programmers.*
>
> --
> Regards, SHYAM VENKATRAMAN.P PSG COLLEGE OF TECHNOLOGY
>
> _________________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list Chennaipy at python.org
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Fri May  8 17:17:47 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 20:47:47 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] A python Newbie - Eager to learn !
In-Reply-To: <CALjdLtqcjbVrDrdjpGjXAT_yNFJkibS+P+RP7Wti1ufx7aRJyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALjdLtqcjbVrDrdjpGjXAT_yNFJkibS+P+RP7Wti1ufx7aRJyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkH89MwuptOP501LaLaC0hcB385REVzqr85RCH8qp1szxRnSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shyam,

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Shyam Venkatraman <psvr2411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi ,
> This is Shyam Venkatraman.

Welcome to the group. I'm sure you'll find a lot of like minded people around.

[...]

> I will be working in Data Analytics during my job.

@Krishna is big on Data Analytics too. Make sure to catch up with him
in the next meetup :)

[...]

> I expect to learn Python at Chennaipy and do my contribution as much as
> possible and also network with proficient Python programmers.

Help is always appreciated :) Do make sure you volunteer for things
that come up.

Hope you have a great time!

Regards,
Shrayas

From igauravsehrawat at gmail.com  Fri May  8 17:18:59 2015
From: igauravsehrawat at gmail.com (Gaurav Sehrawat)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 20:48:59 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] A python Newbie - Eager to learn !
In-Reply-To: <1431089511.3171748.264417049.20B1C2D1@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <CALjdLtqcjbVrDrdjpGjXAT_yNFJkibS+P+RP7Wti1ufx7aRJyw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAC2qNN6ZSo-qP5X4sp8Xrc_Nt4Sx712i5=X0NvbJGpBaFN+9QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Also don't forget to join slack. http://bit.do/chennaipy-slack for invite.


Cheers

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Kiran Gangadharan <me at kirang.in> wrote:

>  Hi Shyam,
>
> Welcome to ChennaiPy! I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun learning Python
> and interacting with the community :)
>
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2015, at 03:26 PM, Shyam Venkatraman wrote:
>
> Hi ,
> This is Shyam Venkatraman.
> I have recently joined the Chennaipy group at meetup website. I am a final
> year student going to *graduate in June 2015.*
> I will be working in* Data Analytics during my job.*
> I am *new to python and have zero experience.*
> But I have been coding for the past 4 years and have fair amount of
> knowledge in C,CPP, Java, PHP and have also done web development using
> HTML5, CSS3.
> I have worked on Databases like MySQL,MS Access.
> I am also familiar with MS Excel and Access Macros.
> I *expect to learn Python at Chennaipy* and *do my contribution* as much
> as possible and also *network with proficient Python programmers.*
>
> --
> Regards,
> SHYAM VENKATRAMAN.P
> PSG COLLEGE OF TECHNOLOGY
>
>   *_______________________________________________*
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>
>
> --
> Kiran Gangadharan
> http://kirang.in
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Fri May  8 17:31:07 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 21:01:07 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] An Idea for Lightning talks
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Shrikant Giridhar
<shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> With this context, I was wondering if it would be a good idea for
> prospective
> speakers to take up such small snippets of interesting (and suitably
> licensed)
> Python code and present a short walkthrough in one of the lightning talks?

A great idea.

One more thing that I think would be awesome would be to take parts of
open source projects and just walk people through how one or a few
APIs from that library work.

> Usually, I am not a fan of having large chunks of code on slides but I feel
> this could work if handled well i.e. by usefully annotating the trickier
> parts, adding other references and by not getting lost in the specific
> nuances of implementation, rather focusing on the bigger ideas and how they
> map to Pythonic idioms.

Abstraction, Abstraction, Abstraction.

[...]

> One stumbling block I can see at the moment is the lack of a metric to judge
> what
> code is worth presenting. People would (understandably) disagree on what
> they
> deem to be good code and without an objective metric, the whole idea would
> be
> useless.

Well, I don't think there *needs* to be a metric, per se? Talks are
all about sharing one's own experience. Definitely a piece of code
that interested me might not interest you but it has a great
probability to interest another bunch of people and lead to a great
conversation. And well, great conversations can go a really long way
:)

> Also, it requires a certain amount of experience and 'taste' to pick which
> parts
> of code are the ones with the cool stuff and what is just labor to get work
> done.
> This, obviously, demands much of the speaker and requires good judgment on
> their
> part to not lose sight of the forest for the trees.

Its all about experience. The thing here is to keep trying. No one
will be able to get the taste in the first shot. The point is to keep
at it, consistently with a goal of wanting to do things for _oneself_
first and then for the masses. If you believe in something enough,
that passion will leak to the audience, I assure you.

> Anyways, I am just throwing an idea into the pot. I'm interested in reading
> what
> others think of this!

Wonderful thought :) You could start it off by giving a talk this month!

Cheers.

From chandru2000 at hotmail.com  Sat May  9 12:58:49 2015
From: chandru2000 at hotmail.com (chandra)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 16:28:49 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Syntax error in Import Tweepy
In-Reply-To: <BLU181-W7DA3667FA644988809C29AAE10@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU181-W79D205F5F5046F81F0D1C4AAE20@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <BLU181-W16FC6081A1A3F080D0E633AADD0@phx.gbl>

Dear Team,
 
For the statement "import tweepy", i am getting the following syntax error: 
File "C:\Python32\lib\site-packages\tweepy-3.2.0-py3.2.egg\tweepy\streaming.py", line 149 
self._buffer = u"" 
SyntaxError: invalid syntax 
I don't know why the interpreter is unable to understand this code.  This is probably due to mismatch of encoding between editor and interpreter.  
How do i overcome this? 
Currently using windows7, Python3.2, tweepy 3.2.0 command prompt sys.stdin.encoding says 'cp437'. 
 
Thanks and regards,
Chandrasekhar
9444380425

            
                         		 	   		  
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From nikhil at indix.com  Sat May  9 19:51:12 2015
From: nikhil at indix.com (Nikhil Ketkar)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 23:21:12 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Pitch for a Talk and Hosting a Meetup at Indix
	(www.indix.com)
Message-ID: <CAEwyQoBA7LR4vXpkfyALSdfQnPZWa0DjrjxYd=8+6p9dkv3AtA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Here is a pitch for a talk, let me know if there is interest.

The data science stack for Python is very mature, libraries like Numpy,
SciPy and scikit-learn allow data scientists to build predictive models.
However, when it comes to making predictions on large volumes of data
things get challenging. Data scientists typically end up using Python just
for prototyping models and then implement models in Java so they can
leverage Hadoop. Not any more. With libraries like Hadoopy and Dumbo (and
the typed bytes patch for Hadoop) it now possible to build and deploy
machine learning models in Python that can make predictions over very large
datasets.

The talk will cover the problem, the solution with some examples. I worry
if this is too specific to a data science/big data audience rather than a
general Python audience. So, do let me know if there is interest.

Also, I noticed (on meetup) that the group is looking for a venue for the
next session. The startup I work for (Indix, http://www.indix.com) would
love to host a meetup. We are a small startup but our office at Ramanujan
IT Park can host up to 50 people on a weekend quite easily. Let me know and
I can get the ball rolling on this.

Best regards,
Nikhil
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From shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com  Sat May  9 20:28:41 2015
From: shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com (Shrikant Giridhar)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 23:58:41 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Pitch for a Talk and Hosting a Meetup at Indix
 (www.indix.com)
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Message-ID: <20150509182841.GB4793@athena>

On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 11:21:12PM +0530, Nikhil Ketkar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is a pitch for a talk, let me know if there is interest.

It's always great to have speakers coming forward for talks!


> The data science stack for Python is very mature, libraries like Numpy,
> SciPy and scikit-learn allow data scientists to build predictive models.
<snip>
> I worry if this is too specific to a data science/big data audience
> rather than a  general Python audience.

One of the great things about a user group audience is that there is no
specific 'crowd'. At Chennaipy alone, we have a mix of people using Python
for NLP, Big Data processing, embedded systems, configuration management
and a lot more. The sheer diversity of the user group is amazing!

As a speaker, this provides a great platform to present, simply because
you don't have to optimize your talk for a particular niche audience -
you just walk up there and talk about what you like! There is a good
chance that you will always find someone who shares your interests.

So do register for a talk at the next meetup! I look forward to learning
some data science! :-)


> Also, I noticed (on meetup) that the group is looking for a venue for the
> next session. The startup I work for (Indix, http://www.indix.com) would
> love to host a meetup. We are a small startup but our office at Ramanujan
> IT Park can host up to 50 people on a weekend quite easily. Let me know and
> I can get the ball rolling on this.

That's so cool of you to offer!

I understand we have a venue for our meetups now but we do need space for
workshops from time to time. In any case, Vijay and Shrayas are the right
guys for this so I'm going to leave it for them to answer!



Shrikant Giridhar

From sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com  Sun May 10 12:51:03 2015
From: sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com (Sharmila Gopirajan)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 16:21:03 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Pitch for a Talk and Hosting a Meetup at Indix
	(www.indix.com)
Message-ID: <CAGzTpABh-Hnx3d2jrcbx89CWEQhtYqbtXEj8c6oqMSbGiopzZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nikhil,
      Looking forward to your talk!

On a related note, I would like to share some lessons I learned from
ChennaiPy talks.  If it helps someone, thats great.  As Shrikant has
observed in another reply, the audience will be a diverse group from
different backgrounds.  Some of them would be quite familiar with your
field and others might not.  It helps if your presentation takes that into
consideration.  Based on my experience, if your talk is a more technical
one (than, say, an introductory one), it helps to narrow your presentation
to address just one aspect or feature.  That way, even people unfamiliar
with your area can catch up.  Also it helps if you try presenting it to
someone first. Trust me, that made a huge difference ;) .  If there are
more ideas for you to present, you can always follow it up with more
presentations ;)  Probably make it a series.

Also a link shared by Shrayas has been quite helpful.  So I'm just sharing
it again.  http://speaking.io/

Regards,
Sharmi
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From vijaykumar at zilogic.com  Mon May 11 03:22:11 2015
From: vijaykumar at zilogic.com (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 06:52:11 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Syntax error in Import Tweepy
In-Reply-To: <BLU181-W16FC6081A1A3F080D0E633AADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU181-W79D205F5F5046F81F0D1C4AAE20@phx.gbl>,
 <BLU181-W473A39C95B506182832348AAE20@phx.gbl>,
 <BLU181-W7DA3667FA644988809C29AAE10@phx.gbl>
 <BLU181-W16FC6081A1A3F080D0E633AADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55500443.3020904@zilogic.com>

On Saturday 09 May 2015 04:28 PM, chandra wrote:
> Dear Team,
>
> For the statement "import tweepy", i am getting the following syntax error:
> File
> "C:\Python32\lib\site-packages\tweepy-3.2.0-py3.2.egg\tweepy\streaming.py",
> line 149
> self._buffer = u""
> SyntaxError: invalid syntax

In Python 3, all strings are unicode strings. The u"..." syntax was
dropped from Python 3. Hence the error. My guess is that, a Python 2
package was accidentally installed for Python 3.

Regards,
Vijay

From nikhil at indix.com  Tue May 12 15:34:12 2015
From: nikhil at indix.com (Nikhil Ketkar)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 19:04:12 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Pitch for a Talk and Hosting a Meetup at Indix
	(www.indix.com)
In-Reply-To: <CAGzTpABh-Hnx3d2jrcbx89CWEQhtYqbtXEj8c6oqMSbGiopzZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGzTpABh-Hnx3d2jrcbx89CWEQhtYqbtXEj8c6oqMSbGiopzZw@mail.gmail.com>
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Here are the details of the Talk.

Title: Predictive Models at Scale using Dumbo

Speaker: Nikhil Ketkar

Abstract:
The data science stack for Python is mature and robust. Libraries like
Numpy, SciPy and scikit-learn allow data scientists to build predictive
models easily. However, when it comes to making predictions on large
volumes remains an operational challenging. Data scientists typically end
up using Python just for prototyping models and then implement models in
Java so they can leverage Hadoop. With libraries like Dumbo make it
possible to build and run machine learning models in Python that can make
predictions over very large datasets. The talk will describe the problem
and the proposed solution with example code.

Speaker Bio:
Nikhil is currently the Director of Engineering at Indix (www.indix.com).
He received his Ph.D. from Washington State University. Following that he
conducted post doctoral research at University of North Carolina at
Charotte, which was followed by a  brief stint in high-frequency trading at
Transmaket in Chicago. More recently he led the data mining team in Guavus,
a startup doing big data analytics in the telecom domain. His research
interests include machine learning, data mining, and graph theory.


On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Sharmila Gopirajan <
sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Nikhil,
>       Looking forward to your talk!
>
> On a related note, I would like to share some lessons I learned from
> ChennaiPy talks.  If it helps someone, thats great.  As Shrikant has
> observed in another reply, the audience will be a diverse group from
> different backgrounds.  Some of them would be quite familiar with your
> field and others might not.  It helps if your presentation takes that into
> consideration.  Based on my experience, if your talk is a more technical
> one (than, say, an introductory one), it helps to narrow your presentation
> to address just one aspect or feature.  That way, even people unfamiliar
> with your area can catch up.  Also it helps if you try presenting it to
> someone first. Trust me, that made a huge difference ;) .  If there are
> more ideas for you to present, you can always follow it up with more
> presentations ;)  Probably make it a series.
>
> Also a link shared by Shrayas has been quite helpful.  So I'm just sharing
> it again.  http://speaking.io/
>
> Regards,
> Sharmi
>
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Tue May 12 15:46:12 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 08:46:12 -0500
Subject: [Chennaipy] Pitch for a Talk and Hosting a Meetup at Indix
 (www.indix.com)
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Message-ID: <aac85c3a3dbcbe546e2d2492bae7fb75.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com>

On Tue, May 12, 2015 8:34 am, Nikhil Ketkar wrote:
> Here are the details of the Talk.
>
>
> Title: Predictive Models at Scale using Dumbo
>
>
> Speaker: Nikhil Ketkar

Thanks, your talk has been added.

Regards,
Vijay

From shrayasr at gmail.com  Tue May 12 16:50:31 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 20:20:31 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Pitch for a Talk and Hosting a Meetup at Indix
	(www.indix.com)
In-Reply-To: <CAGzTpABh-Hnx3d2jrcbx89CWEQhtYqbtXEj8c6oqMSbGiopzZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGzTpABh-Hnx3d2jrcbx89CWEQhtYqbtXEj8c6oqMSbGiopzZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkH89PmsQGEkPhLeM=kJUeS8i=Ca9DFY8R59PwT5GH=gXjOqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Nikhil Ketkar <nikhil at indix.com> wrote:

[...]

> Also, I noticed (on meetup) that the group is looking for a venue for the
> next session. The startup I work for (Indix, http://www.indix.com) would
> love to host a meetup. We are a small startup but our office at Ramanujan IT
> Park can host up to 50 people on a weekend quite easily. Let me know and I
> can get the ball rolling on this.

Nikhil, This is amazing of you to offer. Like Shrikant mentioned, our
venue requirements (for now) is met by IMSc where we regularly have
our meetups (Many thanks to IMSc and Prof. Amritanshu for this). But
we're always looking for places to host our workshops when they
happen. The folks at Adaptavant were really awesome to host us last
time. We will definitely reach out to Indix when the next workshop is
in the works.

@Vijay: Thoughts?

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Shrikant Giridhar
<shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> One of the great things about a user group audience is that there is no
> specific 'crowd'. At Chennaipy alone, we have a mix of people using Python
> for NLP, Big Data processing, embedded systems, configuration management
> and a lot more. The sheer diversity of the user group is amazing!
> As a speaker, this provides a great platform to present, simply because
> you don't have to optimize your talk for a particular niche audience -
> you just walk up there and talk about what you like! There is a good
> chance that you will always find someone who shares your interests.

+1 totally agree to this. I've found this to be one of the greatest
things about Chennaipy. Such a varied audience. Its wonderful to talk
in front of this crowd, really.

[...]

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Sharmila Gopirajan
<sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> Also it helps if you try presenting it to someone
> first. Trust me, that made a huge difference ;) .

Can't agree enough with this. Presenting it to someone / rehearsing it
in front of a mirror or to yourself helps by leaps and bounds. As a
thumb rule, for a n minute presentation, i try to rehearse at least n
times.

> If there are more ideas
> for you to present, you can always follow it up with more presentations ;)
> Probably make it a series.

+1. Good idea :)

> Also a link shared by Shrayas has been quite helpful.  So I'm just sharing
> it again.  http://speaking.io/

http://zachholman.com/talks is also a great place to see how Zach puts
those things into action

From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Tue May 12 19:06:16 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:36:16 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Pitch for a Talk and Hosting a Meetup at
	Indix	(www.indix.com)
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89PmsQGEkPhLeM=kJUeS8i=Ca9DFY8R59PwT5GH=gXjOqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGzTpABh-Hnx3d2jrcbx89CWEQhtYqbtXEj8c6oqMSbGiopzZw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <55523308.4000908@bravegnu.org>

On Tuesday 12 May 2015 08:20 PM, Shrayas rajagopal wrote:
> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Nikhil Ketkar<nikhil at indix.com>  wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Also, I noticed (on meetup) that the group is looking for a venue for the
>> next session. The startup I work for (Indix, http://www.indix.com) would
>> love to host a meetup. We are a small startup but our office at Ramanujan IT
>> Park can host up to 50 people on a weekend quite easily. Let me know and I
>> can get the ball rolling on this.
>
> Nikhil, This is amazing of you to offer. Like Shrikant mentioned, our
> venue requirements (for now) is met by IMSc where we regularly have
> our meetups (Many thanks to IMSc and Prof. Amritanshu for this). But
> we're always looking for places to host our workshops when they
> happen. The folks at Adaptavant were really awesome to host us last
> time. We will definitely reach out to Indix when the next workshop is
> in the works.
>
> @Vijay: Thoughts?

Given that the audience can be anywhere between 30 to 90 people, it is
better to stay with the IMSc Auditorium. But we sure can use it for
workshops, sprints, etc. Anyways thanks for the offer Nikhil.

Regards,
Vijay

From shrayasr at gmail.com  Tue May 12 21:16:29 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 00:46:29 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
Message-ID: <CAEkH89OwBMDxJce2nnjgKTct9d8D6ZgUDu2oNpebYFqFx1uLhg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Sometime earlier in the day, Karthik, who is also part of our
community linked me to Jacob[1]'s keynote at PyCon 2015[2].

I just got around to watching it and it left me thinking about a lot
of things. Before you go ahead with reading the rest of this message,
I urge you all to go and watch the keynote and come back to this when
you're done.

One of the things that has been in mind for a very long time for me is
the imbalance in our community. I've attended almost all meetups since
October last year and I find the amount of women attending these
meetups as compared to the amount of men is startlingly low. I've only
found Sharmila stepping up to give talks and I found her talk about
intro to pandas outstanding.

The question I want to ask all the women on the list and to everyone
else as well is if there is anything that we, as a community can do in
order to start bringing a change in this imbalance. Do you think that
the expectation around being a "women programmer" is too much? Do you
think that we could have a Code Of Conduct for our community that
would help our women counterparts feel more comfortable? Could we help
set up some sort of a PyLadies chapter in Chennai?

I want to know if, as a community, we are fundamentally missing
something that doesn't encourage women from participating.

I feel we need to fix this because we seem to be missing out on some
great people. I've been influenced by so many great women in the field
of tech. I feel our community (and largely even our country) has no
lesser talent than anyone else. We should take an *active* step
forward in making this happen.

I look forward to all your thoughts and suggestions on this.

---
Footnotes:
[1]: https://twitter.com/jacobian
[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIJdFxYlEKE

From shrayasr at gmail.com  Tue May 12 21:32:04 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 01:02:04 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89OwBMDxJce2nnjgKTct9d8D6ZgUDu2oNpebYFqFx1uLhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkH89OwBMDxJce2nnjgKTct9d8D6ZgUDu2oNpebYFqFx1uLhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkH89O_TuPOGbxPwyc2M34ZLmC_OhPTBGSOypgm9HfrwTjM3Q@mail.gmail.com>

)
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been influenced by so many great women in the field
> of tech.

To instantiate a few:

- "You can be a Kernel Hacker"[1] by Julia Evans (http://jvns.ca/)
- "The future of Python"[2] by Jessica McKellar (http://web.mit.edu/jesstess/)
- "For lack of a better name(server): DNS Explained"[3] by Lynn Root
(http://www.roguelynn.com/)

--
Footnotes:
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IQlpFWTFbM
[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1a4Jbjc-vU
[3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swJD7PbWCZw

From sri.sweetdream at gmail.com  Wed May 13 04:29:19 2015
From: sri.sweetdream at gmail.com (sridharan parivallal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 07:59:19 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Pitch for a Talk and Hosting a Meetup at Indix
	(www.indix.com)
In-Reply-To: <55523308.4000908@bravegnu.org>
References: <CAGzTpABh-Hnx3d2jrcbx89CWEQhtYqbtXEj8c6oqMSbGiopzZw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADCV4NDt=mW8W_iFwFER6d45Bbfa7RhDryhXZq_bD4L8-Me_Ug@mail.gmail.com>

hello guys
          i am new one to python can you help to elaborate study about
python programming. i have more interest with python....
regard
 sridharan.p


On 5/12/15, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 May 2015 08:20 PM, Shrayas rajagopal wrote:
>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:21 PM, Nikhil Ketkar<nikhil at indix.com>  wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Also, I noticed (on meetup) that the group is looking for a venue for
>>> the
>>> next session. The startup I work for (Indix, http://www.indix.com) would
>>> love to host a meetup. We are a small startup but our office at Ramanujan
>>> IT
>>> Park can host up to 50 people on a weekend quite easily. Let me know and
>>> I
>>> can get the ball rolling on this.
>>
>> Nikhil, This is amazing of you to offer. Like Shrikant mentioned, our
>> venue requirements (for now) is met by IMSc where we regularly have
>> our meetups (Many thanks to IMSc and Prof. Amritanshu for this). But
>> we're always looking for places to host our workshops when they
>> happen. The folks at Adaptavant were really awesome to host us last
>> time. We will definitely reach out to Indix when the next workshop is
>> in the works.
>>
>> @Vijay: Thoughts?
>
> Given that the audience can be anywhere between 30 to 90 people, it is
> better to stay with the IMSc Auditorium. But we sure can use it for
> workshops, sprints, etc. Anyways thanks for the offer Nikhil.
>
> Regards,
> Vijay
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From sri.sweetdream at gmail.com  Wed May 13 04:32:20 2015
From: sri.sweetdream at gmail.com (sridharan parivallal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 08:02:20 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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hello  guys
       anybody have soft notes for python programming please share
with chennaipy mail subscription.
regards
sridharan parivallal

On 5/13/15, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:
> )
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I've been influenced by so many great women in the field
>> of tech.
>
> To instantiate a few:
>
> - "You can be a Kernel Hacker"[1] by Julia Evans (http://jvns.ca/)
> - "The future of Python"[2] by Jessica McKellar
> (http://web.mit.edu/jesstess/)
> - "For lack of a better name(server): DNS Explained"[3] by Lynn Root
> (http://www.roguelynn.com/)
>
> --
> Footnotes:
> [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IQlpFWTFbM
> [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1a4Jbjc-vU
> [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swJD7PbWCZw
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>

From upadhyay.bindu09 at gmail.com  Wed May 13 06:18:39 2015
From: upadhyay.bindu09 at gmail.com (Bindu Upadhyay)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:48:39 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89O_TuPOGbxPwyc2M34ZLmC_OhPTBGSOypgm9HfrwTjM3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABjT-QLW7_hBEdGWz=rMtC1jEx2uVkumifLpZdsYm2uMgkk7iw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am a newbie to Python and I joined this list to find material useful for
learning. I found out about this group through a colleague of mine. I
haven't attended any of the meetups yet.
I don't know how many women programmers and programmers are aware of this
group as such. Maybe some stats could help us in gaining some context.
Being an engineer, I can relate to the low ratio.

Here are some initiatives that I could suggest (based on my needs and
observation)-

   - Conduct a workshop for newcomers (which I think you guys do at times)
   - Reach out to students in colleges and spread a bit of awareness (Not
   sure if it is in the scope of your plan)

I don't think having a "girls only" event would do much. I was at one such
event recently and the number of organizers was more than the number of
attendees! But again, this might help more people in losing the fear that
surrounds them.

Would love to hear others thoughts about this and I am all in doing the
needful.

Cheers,
Bindu Upadhyay



On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:02 AM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> )
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've been influenced by so many great women in the field
> > of tech.
>
> To instantiate a few:
>
> - "You can be a Kernel Hacker"[1] by Julia Evans (http://jvns.ca/)
> - "The future of Python"[2] by Jessica McKellar (
> http://web.mit.edu/jesstess/)
> - "For lack of a better name(server): DNS Explained"[3] by Lynn Root
> (http://www.roguelynn.com/)
>
> --
> Footnotes:
> [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IQlpFWTFbM
> [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1a4Jbjc-vU
> [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swJD7PbWCZw
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Wed May 13 07:17:25 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:47:25 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:02 AM, sridharan parivallal
<sri.sweetdream at gmail.com> wrote:
> hello  guys
>        anybody have soft notes for python programming please share
> with chennaipy mail subscription.

Hi Sridharan,

Firstly, welcome to Chennaipy! We look forward to having you at one of
our meetups (one coming up on the 23rd of May).

A good place to start learning python is Learn Python the Hard Way[1],
Invent with python[2] or The Hitchhiker's guide to python[3]. The key
is to write a *lot* of programs with Python. There really is no other
better way to get better at a language.

With that said, I urge you *not* to just reply to every mail thread
that comes your way with your queries. You are encouraged to start a
new thread for this where many people would be glad to help you out.

Have a great day.

Best Regards,
Shrayas

---
Footnotes:
[1]: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/
[2]: https://inventwithpython.com/
[3]: http://docs.python-guide.org/en/latest/

From shrayasr at gmail.com  Wed May 13 07:35:31 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 11:05:31 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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Hi Bindu,

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Bindu Upadhyay
<upadhyay.bindu09 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am a newbie to Python and I joined this list to find material useful for
> learning.

Chennaipy isn't really a place to find material. It is more of a place
to ask questions since there are quite a lot of like minded people on
the list. There is an abundant amount of material to get started with
learning python over the internet but mailing lists are a place where
you can ask your questions related to that material. There are a lot
of helpful folk among us always ready to lend a hand.

> I found out about this group through a colleague of mine. I
> haven't attended any of the meetups yet.

Please do join us for the May meetup[1] :)

> I don't know how many women programmers and programmers are aware of this
> group as such.

There are a few people who join us and some of them are regulars too.
Some that come to mind are Sruthi and Sharmila. I look forward to
hearing from them on this issue.

> Maybe some stats could help us in gaining some context.

What kind of stats are you looking for? The ratio is *quite* low. The
maximum i've seen in women joining us is 5, I think. There was one
meetup in IIT though where there were a lot of people who turned up.

> Being
> an engineer, I can relate to the low ratio.

Could you please expand on this? Do you face issues similar to this at
your workplace as well? Is it being addressed there? Is there any
learning that we can translate from your workplace to our community?

[...]

> Conduct a workshop for newcomers (which I think you guys do at times)

We conducted a workshop in February[2]. We are looking to conduct
another one soon enough. The real question though is how to "reach"
the women.

> Reach out to students in colleges and spread a bit of awareness (Not sure if
> it is in the scope of your plan)

Please expand on this. I think we do have a few students who join us
but we've not taken an initiative (so to speak) to actively pursue
creating awareness via the students in their colleges. If you could
help us with an initial plan on how to bring this out, we could get
the ball rolling in our next meetup by requesting the students to help
us out.

> I don't think having a "girls only" event would do much. I was at one such
> event recently and the number of organizers was more than the number of
> attendees! But again, this might help more people in losing the fear that
> surrounds them.

PyLadies[3] is a really successful community that does exactly this
and I think the biggest reason that it works is that women naturally
feel more comfortable around women. This will allow them to focus more
on the technology and not about the environment and if it is feasible
for them. It pains me to say such a thing in this day and age but the
situation is such and till it changes, I feel that women only groups
could play a great role in bootstrapping them up to "community
standards" (sigh.)

> Would love to hear others thoughts about this and I am all in doing the
> needful.

Thanks so much for reaching out. Appreciate it.

---
Footnotes:
[1]: http://www.meetup.com/Chennaipy/events/222311276/
[2]: http://www.meetup.com/Chennaipy/events/220501575/
[3]: http://www.pyladies.com/

From james.mortensen at synclio.com  Wed May 13 10:26:01 2015
From: james.mortensen at synclio.com (James Mortensen)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 13:56:01 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89Oj5TUL3itHfL3hspMB=Gshg745j4q6OL-p24Xfqb2MHA@mail.gmail.com>
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Shrayas,

I'm really glad you've brought up this issue.  It disappoints me to see
such low numbers of women at these events.  Sadly, this isn't just a "tech"
problem.  I've gone to non-tech meetups where we also see a huge gap
between men and women.

I have a theory that encouragement can go a long way.  If you're a student,
invite the women in your classes to attend Chennaipy.  If you work, invite
women in your office.  If you have a sister or daughter, encourage her to
go out into the world and make it her own.  Don't try to "protect" her with
different rules or ideologies.  It's not protecting, it's restricting.

With that said, I don't think a separate group would help; it would just
make this problem worse.  This just perpetuates the idea that women need to
be "protected".  For this to work, we need to create an environment of
respect for everyone, tolerance, and the idea of personal responsibility
for all of our actions.


James

Phone: * 866-707-4590*

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Bindu,
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Bindu Upadhyay
> <upadhyay.bindu09 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am a newbie to Python and I joined this list to find material useful
> for
> > learning.
>
> Chennaipy isn't really a place to find material. It is more of a place
> to ask questions since there are quite a lot of like minded people on
> the list. There is an abundant amount of material to get started with
> learning python over the internet but mailing lists are a place where
> you can ask your questions related to that material. There are a lot
> of helpful folk among us always ready to lend a hand.
>
> > I found out about this group through a colleague of mine. I
> > haven't attended any of the meetups yet.
>
> Please do join us for the May meetup[1] :)
>
> > I don't know how many women programmers and programmers are aware of this
> > group as such.
>
> There are a few people who join us and some of them are regulars too.
> Some that come to mind are Sruthi and Sharmila. I look forward to
> hearing from them on this issue.
>
> > Maybe some stats could help us in gaining some context.
>
> What kind of stats are you looking for? The ratio is *quite* low. The
> maximum i've seen in women joining us is 5, I think. There was one
> meetup in IIT though where there were a lot of people who turned up.
>
> > Being
> > an engineer, I can relate to the low ratio.
>
> Could you please expand on this? Do you face issues similar to this at
> your workplace as well? Is it being addressed there? Is there any
> learning that we can translate from your workplace to our community?
>
> [...]
>
> > Conduct a workshop for newcomers (which I think you guys do at times)
>
> We conducted a workshop in February[2]. We are looking to conduct
> another one soon enough. The real question though is how to "reach"
> the women.
>
> > Reach out to students in colleges and spread a bit of awareness (Not
> sure if
> > it is in the scope of your plan)
>
> Please expand on this. I think we do have a few students who join us
> but we've not taken an initiative (so to speak) to actively pursue
> creating awareness via the students in their colleges. If you could
> help us with an initial plan on how to bring this out, we could get
> the ball rolling in our next meetup by requesting the students to help
> us out.
>
> > I don't think having a "girls only" event would do much. I was at one
> such
> > event recently and the number of organizers was more than the number of
> > attendees! But again, this might help more people in losing the fear that
> > surrounds them.
>
> PyLadies[3] is a really successful community that does exactly this
> and I think the biggest reason that it works is that women naturally
> feel more comfortable around women. This will allow them to focus more
> on the technology and not about the environment and if it is feasible
> for them. It pains me to say such a thing in this day and age but the
> situation is such and till it changes, I feel that women only groups
> could play a great role in bootstrapping them up to "community
> standards" (sigh.)
>
> > Would love to hear others thoughts about this and I am all in doing the
> > needful.
>
> Thanks so much for reaching out. Appreciate it.
>
> ---
> Footnotes:
> [1]: http://www.meetup.com/Chennaipy/events/222311276/
> [2]: http://www.meetup.com/Chennaipy/events/220501575/
> [3]: http://www.pyladies.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
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From sridharanparivallal at gmail.com  Wed May 13 17:10:30 2015
From: sridharanparivallal at gmail.com (sridharan parivallal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:40:30 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CABiXACQM3Q+QTwmgYTPtdyPqH1GVkBmifkMvVPsXkY2t_Lzc=Q@mail.gmail.com>

hello friends
                i am new one to python i need a study material for
python programming anybody have a soft notes please me through a
mail..
  - Sridhran Parivallal.

From deepsukhwani at gmail.com  Wed May 13 17:14:18 2015
From: deepsukhwani at gmail.com (Deep Sukhwani)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:44:18 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] (no subject)
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Tons of them are available online. Start with codecademy.com, move up to
learnpythonthehardway and then carve your own path ahead.

All the best.
On 13-May-2015 8:40 pm, "sridharan parivallal" <
sridharanparivallal at gmail.com> wrote:

> hello friends
>                 i am new one to python i need a study material for
> python programming anybody have a soft notes please me through a
> mail..
>   - Sridhran Parivallal.
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Wed May 13 17:18:24 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 20:48:24 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Study Material (was  (no subject))
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On Wednesday 13 May 2015 08:40 PM, sridharan parivallal wrote:
> hello friends
>                  i am new one to python i need a study material for
> python programming anybody have a soft notes please me through a
> mail..

Hi Sridharan,
As Shrayas pointed out http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ and
https://inventwithpython.com/ If you are already familiar with
another programming language like C++ or Java checkout
http://www.diveintopython3.net/

BTW, next time, please make sure you use a proper subject line.

Regards,
Vijay

From shrayasr at gmail.com  Wed May 13 18:04:27 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 21:34:27 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:56 PM, James Mortensen
<james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:

[...]

> I have a theory that encouragement can go a long way.  If you're a student,
> invite the women in your classes to attend Chennaipy.  If you work, invite
> women in your office.  If you have a sister or daughter, encourage her to go
> out into the world and make it her own.  Don't try to "protect" her with
> different rules or ideologies.  It's not protecting, it's restricting.

well said. +1

> With that said, I don't think a separate group would help; it would just
> make this problem worse.  This just perpetuates the idea that women need to
> be "protected".  For this to work, we need to create an environment of
> respect for everyone, tolerance, and the idea of personal responsibility for
> all of our actions.

While I very much agree with you James, I think that an org like
PyLadies helps with the initial hurdle of getting women into
technology. Usually, it is this part that is very important as it can
make or break an impression. PyLadies IMO is a great way to foster
that impression and help bring focus to the technology where it should
rightfully be.

The fact is that we *dont* have / aren't trying hard enough to create
the environment that you talk about. In an idealistic scenario that is
how it should be. But in reality it really isn't that way (as you have
remarked yourself). Reality expects, as Jacob said, you to be a
"great" programmer or it expects you to be "cut out for" technology.
PyLadies helps in that exact area. The focus on technology would give
confidence (or clarity) to face what reality holds.

I very much look up to all the women in tech. For them to have braced
all that the community throws at them and stand their ground is worth
much praise.

From sureshvv at hotmail.com  Wed May 13 18:53:24 2015
From: sureshvv at hotmail.com (Suresh V.)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:23:24 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] ChennaiPy now on gmane
Message-ID: <mivvi5$h31$1@ger.gmane.org>

If you like to read mailing lists using a Usenet group,
(like a Real Programmer(tm) ) it is now possible.

Check out gmane.org.user-groups.python.chennai at

news://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.python.chennai

Suresh


From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Wed May 13 21:22:49 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 00:52:49 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] April Meetup Videos
Message-ID: <5553A489.4010503@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
Videos of 3 talks from the April meetup is available from
https://vimeo.com/chennaipy/videos

The audio quality is good this time. We got the audio
stream recorded directly from the mixer.

Regards,
Vijay

From shrayasr at gmail.com  Wed May 13 21:29:18 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 00:59:18 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] April Meetup Videos
In-Reply-To: <5553A489.4010503@bravegnu.org>
References: <5553A489.4010503@bravegnu.org>
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On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:
> The audio quality is good this time. We got the audio
> stream recorded directly from the mixer.

The audio is *really* good.

Many thanks to them! :)

From me at kirang.in  Thu May 14 05:34:54 2015
From: me at kirang.in (Kiran Gangadharan)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:04:54 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
In-Reply-To: <CADCV4NBrR0wjqiEBteeaPjkOp7C2F4hCn9-1XsFhqFSpzpM1Jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkH89OwBMDxJce2nnjgKTct9d8D6ZgUDu2oNpebYFqFx1uLhg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Sridharan,

You can start with LPTHW[0]. That should get you comfortable with the
language. 

In the future, kindly create a new thread whenever you have such a
question. 

Have fun learning Python :)

On Wed, May 13, 2015, at 08:02 AM, sridharan parivallal wrote:
> hello  guys
>        anybody have soft notes for python programming please share
> with chennaipy mail subscription.
> regards
> sridharan parivallal
> 
> On 5/13/15, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > )
> > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:46 AM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> I've been influenced by so many great women in the field
> >> of tech.
> >
> > To instantiate a few:
> >
> > - "You can be a Kernel Hacker"[1] by Julia Evans (http://jvns.ca/)
> > - "The future of Python"[2] by Jessica McKellar
> > (http://web.mit.edu/jesstess/)
> > - "For lack of a better name(server): DNS Explained"[3] by Lynn Root
> > (http://www.roguelynn.com/)
> >
> > --
> > Footnotes:
> > [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IQlpFWTFbM
> > [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1a4Jbjc-vU
> > [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swJD7PbWCZw
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chennaipy mailing list
> > Chennaipy at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy


-- 
Kiran Gangadharan
http://kirang.in

From me at kirang.in  Thu May 14 05:40:23 2015
From: me at kirang.in (Kiran Gangadharan)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 09:10:23 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89NVhZO2V_B7wWsBGtKELdLvTqF8pGx-pOtkMhiBdY+dsw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, May 13, 2015, at 09:34 PM, Shrayas rajagopal wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:56 PM, James Mortensen
> <james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I have a theory that encouragement can go a long way.  If you're a student,
> > invite the women in your classes to attend Chennaipy.  If you work, invite
> > women in your office.  If you have a sister or daughter, encourage her to go
> > out into the world and make it her own.  Don't try to "protect" her with
> > different rules or ideologies.  It's not protecting, it's restricting.
> 
> well said. +1
> 
> > With that said, I don't think a separate group would help; it would just
> > make this problem worse.  This just perpetuates the idea that women need to
> > be "protected".  For this to work, we need to create an environment of
> > respect for everyone, tolerance, and the idea of personal responsibility for
> > all of our actions.
> 
> While I very much agree with you James, I think that an org like
> PyLadies helps with the initial hurdle of getting women into
> technology. Usually, it is this part that is very important as it can
> make or break an impression. PyLadies IMO is a great way to foster
> that impression and help bring focus to the technology where it should
> rightfully be.

While PyLadies could be a good initiative, something like that makes
sense if we
can identify key people who can help develop such a community and take
it from there. 
With the kind of audience that we presently have, I don't think it's
feasible to think
about a seperate group for now.

> 
> The fact is that we *dont* have / aren't trying hard enough to create
> the environment that you talk about. In an idealistic scenario that is
> how it should be. But in reality it really isn't that way (as you have
> remarked yourself). Reality expects, as Jacob said, you to be a
> "great" programmer or it expects you to be "cut out for" technology.
> PyLadies helps in that exact area. The focus on technology would give
> confidence (or clarity) to face what reality holds.
> 
> I very much look up to all the women in tech. For them to have braced
> all that the community throws at them and stand their ground is worth
> much praise.
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy


-- 
Kiran Gangadharan
http://kirang.in

From james.mortensen at synclio.com  Thu May 14 07:55:51 2015
From: james.mortensen at synclio.com (James Mortensen)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 11:25:51 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
In-Reply-To: <1431574823.1743766.268340481.4E37D1D0@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <CAEkH89OwBMDxJce2nnjgKTct9d8D6ZgUDu2oNpebYFqFx1uLhg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANhSRjLsV3Od=CTaqLEfWE9mTvCgrUFs9KeBHdZ8Oebz6b0osQ@mail.gmail.com>

While I have mixed feelings about a separate group, there already is a
group in Chennai that caters to women, via LeanIn Circles, inspired by
Sheryl Sandberg's book, Lean In.

Many of my colleagues are in this list, including the only two women who
attended the Python workshop in February.  I have reached out to their
group founder to invite them to participate in our group at the end of the
month.

http://leanincircles.org/circle/thesherylnetwork


James

Phone: * 866-707-4590*

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Kiran Gangadharan <me at kirang.in> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2015, at 09:34 PM, Shrayas rajagopal wrote:
> > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:56 PM, James Mortensen
> > <james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > I have a theory that encouragement can go a long way.  If you're a
> student,
> > > invite the women in your classes to attend Chennaipy.  If you work,
> invite
> > > women in your office.  If you have a sister or daughter, encourage her
> to go
> > > out into the world and make it her own.  Don't try to "protect" her
> with
> > > different rules or ideologies.  It's not protecting, it's restricting.
> >
> > well said. +1
> >
> > > With that said, I don't think a separate group would help; it would
> just
> > > make this problem worse.  This just perpetuates the idea that women
> need to
> > > be "protected".  For this to work, we need to create an environment of
> > > respect for everyone, tolerance, and the idea of personal
> responsibility for
> > > all of our actions.
> >
> > While I very much agree with you James, I think that an org like
> > PyLadies helps with the initial hurdle of getting women into
> > technology. Usually, it is this part that is very important as it can
> > make or break an impression. PyLadies IMO is a great way to foster
> > that impression and help bring focus to the technology where it should
> > rightfully be.
>
> While PyLadies could be a good initiative, something like that makes
> sense if we
> can identify key people who can help develop such a community and take
> it from there.
> With the kind of audience that we presently have, I don't think it's
> feasible to think
> about a seperate group for now.
>
> >
> > The fact is that we *dont* have / aren't trying hard enough to create
> > the environment that you talk about. In an idealistic scenario that is
> > how it should be. But in reality it really isn't that way (as you have
> > remarked yourself). Reality expects, as Jacob said, you to be a
> > "great" programmer or it expects you to be "cut out for" technology.
> > PyLadies helps in that exact area. The focus on technology would give
> > confidence (or clarity) to face what reality holds.
> >
> > I very much look up to all the women in tech. For them to have braced
> > all that the community throws at them and stand their ground is worth
> > much praise.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chennaipy mailing list
> > Chennaipy at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>
>
> --
> Kiran Gangadharan
> http://kirang.in
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Fri May 15 15:21:52 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 08:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
In-Reply-To: <55481CDE.6070301@zilogic.com>
References: <55481CDE.6070301@zilogic.com>
Message-ID: <df72d8d49864716fd79393458ff7f27e.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com>

On Mon, May 4, 2015 8:29 pm, Vijay Kumar wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> the monthly meet is on the 23rd of this month. If you are interested in
> giving a 20 min talk, please send in talk title and short description.

Hi Everyone,
I will be doing a talk on the topic "Memory Management in Python" (CPython
actually). The talk will cover the following topics:

  1. How Reference Counting Works
  2. Issues with Reference Counting
  3. Cycle Detection and GC
  4. Useful Third Party Modules

Not many people really require to know how Python manages memory. But it
is kind of nice to know how things work under the hood.

Regards,
Vijay

From shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com  Fri May 15 15:54:56 2015
From: shrikantgiridhar at gmail.com (Shrikant Giridhar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 19:24:56 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
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On 15 May 2015 19:16, "Vijay Kumar" <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
> I will be doing a talk on the topic "Memory Management in Python"

That's awesome! It is just the strangest coincidence that I was reading a
StackOverflow question today about Python's garbage collector and wondering
how cool it will be to have a talk on it!

I've always been curious about Python's guts. I've heard that the source is
well-written but I'm too lazy/stupid to delve into it. So, I am pretty
excited about the talk!

Thanks a lot for taking it up Vijay! I really look forward to it!

Shrikant Giridhar
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From me at kirang.in  Fri May 15 19:00:46 2015
From: me at kirang.in (Kiran Gangadharan)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 22:30:46 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
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Awesome! 

On Fri, May 15, 2015, at 06:51 PM, Vijay Kumar wrote:
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 8:29 pm, Vijay Kumar wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> > the monthly meet is on the 23rd of this month. If you are interested in
> > giving a 20 min talk, please send in talk title and short description.
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I will be doing a talk on the topic "Memory Management in Python"
> (CPython
> actually). The talk will cover the following topics:
> 
>   1. How Reference Counting Works
>   2. Issues with Reference Counting
>   3. Cycle Detection and GC
>   4. Useful Third Party Modules
> 
> Not many people really require to know how Python manages memory. But it
> is kind of nice to know how things work under the hood.
> 
> Regards,
> Vijay
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy


-- 
Kiran Gangadharan
http://kirang.in

From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Fri May 15 19:37:04 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 23:07:04 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] PyCon India Talk Proposal
Message-ID: <55562EC0.7050702@bravegnu.org>

Hi Everyone,
Chennaipy houses a diverse community, with some really great
speakers. It will be great to see talks at PyCon India from the
Chennai Python community. The deadline is 31st May. Please make sure
you submit your proposal at the earliest.

Regards,
Vijay

From chandru2000 at hotmail.com  Sat May 16 09:06:22 2015
From: chandru2000 at hotmail.com (chandra)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:36:22 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] url access through proxy
In-Reply-To: <BLU181-W16FC6081A1A3F080D0E633AADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU181-W79D205F5F5046F81F0D1C4AAE20@phx.gbl>,
 <BLU181-W473A39C95B506182832348AAE20@phx.gbl>,
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Message-ID: <BLU181-W1000A5C7D9861C40CB3E9CAAC60@phx.gbl>

Dear Team,
 
working from company's system.  Trying to access an url from a program. 
 
from urllib.request import urlopen
test_url = urlopen("http://www.reddit.com/")Getting following messageurllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 407: Proxy Authentication Required
Process finished with exit code 1 orread_url = urllib2.urlopen(http://www.imdb.com/date)gives following messageurllib2.HTTPError: HTTP Error 407: Proxy Authentication Required Need help on how to access any url through an organization's proxy.   syntax, and a dummy example will be helpful.
Thanks and regards,
Chandrasekhar
9444380425

 		 	   		  
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From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com  Sat May 16 09:18:29 2015
From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 12:48:29 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] url access through proxy
In-Reply-To: <BLU181-W1000A5C7D9861C40CB3E9CAAC60@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU181-W79D205F5F5046F81F0D1C4AAE20@phx.gbl>
 <BLU181-W473A39C95B506182832348AAE20@phx.gbl>
 <BLU181-W7DA3667FA644988809C29AAE10@phx.gbl>
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 <BLU181-W1000A5C7D9861C40CB3E9CAAC60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAO5c=mmDat5kO+i17x5DNQc-6qux2XEXMdkhNcB8=w2EhSLB5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chandrasekhar

On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 12:36 PM, chandra <chandru2000 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Team,
>
> working from company's system.  Trying to access an url from a program.
>
>
> from urllib.request import urlopentest_url = urlopen("http://www.reddit.com/" <http://www.reddit.com/>)
>
> Getting following message
>
> urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 407: Proxy Authentication Required
> Process finished with exit code 1
>
>
>
> or
>
> read_url = urllib2.urlopen(http://www.imdb.com/date)
>
> gives following message
>
> urllib2.HTTPError: HTTP Error 407: Proxy Authentication Required
>
>
>
> Need help on how to access any url through an organization's proxy.   syntax, and a dummy example will be helpful.
>
>
>
Please requests module and since it is well designed and maintained. Have a
look at documentation for proxies [1].

[1]: http://docs.python-requests.org/en/latest/user/advanced/#proxies


> Thanks and regards,
> Chandrasekhar
> 9444380425
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>
>


-- 

*Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus
Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com <http://kracekumar.com>*
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From igauravsehrawat at gmail.com  Sat May 16 14:07:51 2015
From: igauravsehrawat at gmail.com (Gaurav Sehrawat)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 17:37:51 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
In-Reply-To: <1431709246.3576078.269812025.1B5BD613@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <55481CDE.6070301@zilogic.com>
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Message-ID: <CAC2qNN7AHz+1uDfhNb6B0qyAoa6im0g8KVcChEZbAe-YTC2z8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
Not sure if it is 10 min or 20 min talk
But i will be talking *about:*
Building a face detection tool using opencv on raspberry pi

*Description:*
This talk will include learning about picamera module and opencv.
I will be using Haar's Cascade classifier as training model for
facedetection.
And a real case scenario of using it.

Thanks


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Kiran Gangadharan <me at kirang.in> wrote:

> Awesome!
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015, at 06:51 PM, Vijay Kumar wrote:
> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 8:29 pm, Vijay Kumar wrote:
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > > the monthly meet is on the 23rd of this month. If you are interested in
> > > giving a 20 min talk, please send in talk title and short description.
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > I will be doing a talk on the topic "Memory Management in Python"
> > (CPython
> > actually). The talk will cover the following topics:
> >
> >   1. How Reference Counting Works
> >   2. Issues with Reference Counting
> >   3. Cycle Detection and GC
> >   4. Useful Third Party Modules
> >
> > Not many people really require to know how Python manages memory. But it
> > is kind of nice to know how things work under the hood.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Vijay
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chennaipy mailing list
> > Chennaipy at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>
>
> --
> Kiran Gangadharan
> http://kirang.in
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Sat May 16 14:19:02 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 07:19:02 -0500
Subject: [Chennaipy] Talks for the next Meet
In-Reply-To: <CAC2qNN7AHz+1uDfhNb6B0qyAoa6im0g8KVcChEZbAe-YTC2z8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55481CDE.6070301@zilogic.com>
 <df72d8d49864716fd79393458ff7f27e.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com>
 <1431709246.3576078.269812025.1B5BD613@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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Message-ID: <dc317ab1cd07b766506ce0bd23ec7240.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com>

On Sat, May 16, 2015 7:07 am, Gaurav Sehrawat wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> Not sure if it is 10 min or 20 min talk
> But i will be talking *about:*
> Building a face detection tool using opencv on raspberry pi
>
>
> *Description:*
> This talk will include learning about picamera module and opencv.
> I will be using Haar's Cascade classifier as training model for
> facedetection. And a real case scenario of using it.

Sounds great, your talk has been added.

Regards,
Vijay

From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Mon May 18 18:46:20 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:46:20 -0500
Subject: [Chennaipy] May Meetup Poster
Message-ID: <1678e531ef05ae4bbb211f31f8294ed8.squirrel@gator3315.hostgator.com>

Hi Everyone,
The May meetup poster is available from
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4qwwds8t1lwj3cl/may-2015-meetup.pdf?dl=0 Please
download it, print it and post it on your organization / institution
noticeboard.

Regards,
Vijay

From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Mon May 18 18:36:35 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 11:36:35 -0500
Subject: [Chennaipy] May Meetup (RSVP Required)
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# May Meetup

## Date & Time

   * 23rd May (Saturday)
   * 3:00pm to 5:30pm

## Venue

Ramanujan Auditorium, IMSc,
C.I.T Campus,
4th Cross Street,
Tharamani,
Chennai.

Location map: http://www.google.com/maps?q=12.994337,80.247170

## Schedule

   * Web Scraping with Selenium (20 min)
     by Sivasubramanyam

   * Predictive Models at Scale using Dumbo (20 min)
     by Nikhil Ketkar

   * Networking Tea (30 min)
     Sponsored by Clay Labs

   * Memory Management in Python (20 min)
     by Vijay Kumar

   * Building a face detection tool using OpenCV on Raspberry Pi (20 min)
     by Gaurav Sehrawat

   * Discussions (20 min)

Only the talk titles are included here, for the sake of brevity. For
details about the talks and the speakers, please visit
http://www.meetup.com/Chennaipy/events/222311276/

## RSVP

Please RSVP on our Meetup page
http://www.meetup.com/Chennaipy/events/222311276/

## New to Python?

If you are new to Python, you can make best use of the meetup, if you
go through any of the following resources, before attending the
meetup.

   * Invent Your Own Computer Games with Python, Chapters 1 - 9
     http://inventwithpython.com/chapters/

   * Google's Python Course (with Lecture Videos)
     https://developers.google.com/edu/python/

   * How to Think Like a Computer Scientist, Chapters 1 - 12
     http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/


From bigbeliever at gmail.com  Tue May 19 03:55:18 2015
From: bigbeliever at gmail.com (Abhishek)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:25:18 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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Hey Shreyas,
Good you brought this up.

I have been active in the Ruby community here, and we too have a diversity
problem. Overtime I have blamed several factors - patriarchy in our
culture, apathy for technology in IT industry, and the latest - tech
culture of geek glorification. After repeated discussions, my wife and I
have arrived at a few conclusions.

The benefits of participating in such a technical community are not
obvious. Not to a normal, moderately passionate technologist. It is seen as
more suited for the so called *enthusiast*. Younger men have more chance to
experiment and find out, women not so much. They (and even men over a
certain age) have more compulsions and lesser margin to explore and figure
out. People agree that this is a noble endeavour, but to prioritise it
above other compulsions we  have to measure the personal benefits. And
since the whole phenomenon is new, we have no examples from past tradition.

So the enthusiasts have the additional onus of advertising the community.
To educate everyone about what's in it for them. It also helps to have a
clear policy against sexism, harassment and bad-behaviour (We learned this
the hard way).

Regards,
Abhishek




On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:25 AM, James Mortensen <
james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:

> While I have mixed feelings about a separate group, there already is a
> group in Chennai that caters to women, via LeanIn Circles, inspired by
> Sheryl Sandberg's book, Lean In.
>
> Many of my colleagues are in this list, including the only two women who
> attended the Python workshop in February.  I have reached out to their
> group founder to invite them to participate in our group at the end of the
> month.
>
> http://leanincircles.org/circle/thesherylnetwork
>
>
> James
>
> Phone: * 866-707-4590*
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Kiran Gangadharan <me at kirang.in> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2015, at 09:34 PM, Shrayas rajagopal wrote:
>> > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:56 PM, James Mortensen
>> > <james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > I have a theory that encouragement can go a long way.  If you're a
>> student,
>> > > invite the women in your classes to attend Chennaipy.  If you work,
>> invite
>> > > women in your office.  If you have a sister or daughter, encourage
>> her to go
>> > > out into the world and make it her own.  Don't try to "protect" her
>> with
>> > > different rules or ideologies.  It's not protecting, it's restricting.
>> >
>> > well said. +1
>> >
>> > > With that said, I don't think a separate group would help; it would
>> just
>> > > make this problem worse.  This just perpetuates the idea that women
>> need to
>> > > be "protected".  For this to work, we need to create an environment of
>> > > respect for everyone, tolerance, and the idea of personal
>> responsibility for
>> > > all of our actions.
>> >
>> > While I very much agree with you James, I think that an org like
>> > PyLadies helps with the initial hurdle of getting women into
>> > technology. Usually, it is this part that is very important as it can
>> > make or break an impression. PyLadies IMO is a great way to foster
>> > that impression and help bring focus to the technology where it should
>> > rightfully be.
>>
>> While PyLadies could be a good initiative, something like that makes
>> sense if we
>> can identify key people who can help develop such a community and take
>> it from there.
>> With the kind of audience that we presently have, I don't think it's
>> feasible to think
>> about a seperate group for now.
>>
>> >
>> > The fact is that we *dont* have / aren't trying hard enough to create
>> > the environment that you talk about. In an idealistic scenario that is
>> > how it should be. But in reality it really isn't that way (as you have
>> > remarked yourself). Reality expects, as Jacob said, you to be a
>> > "great" programmer or it expects you to be "cut out for" technology.
>> > PyLadies helps in that exact area. The focus on technology would give
>> > confidence (or clarity) to face what reality holds.
>> >
>> > I very much look up to all the women in tech. For them to have braced
>> > all that the community throws at them and stand their ground is worth
>> > much praise.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chennaipy mailing list
>> > Chennaipy at python.org
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kiran Gangadharan
>> http://kirang.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chennaipy mailing list
>> Chennaipy at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>
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From sakthirengaraj at gmail.com  Tue May 19 09:43:13 2015
From: sakthirengaraj at gmail.com (Rengaraj D)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 13:13:13 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Unable to ping chennaipy.org
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Hi

>From yesterday onward unable to ping chennaipy.org.
Getting webpage is not found error message.

Regards
Rengaraj
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From james.mortensen at synclio.com  Tue May 19 11:05:55 2015
From: james.mortensen at synclio.com (James Mortensen)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 14:35:55 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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I think adopting a policy and points of contact is a good idea.  However, I
don't think one needs to reinvent the wheel.  There are several sexual
harassment policy templates available on the Internet that we can tailor:
https://www.google.co.in/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=a_taVaiqJoKu8wefu4DACg&gws_rd=ssl#q=+sexual+harassment+policy+template+

What's more, one important component of such a policy is very clear paths
of escalation.  Who would the points of contact be?  Will a female
volunteer from Chennaipy be willing to step up and act as one of these
points of contact so it's not just Vijay and Shrayas, an all male group of
POC's?

Also, most of our meetups involve listening to presentations and only brief
mingling.  What is the boundary of this policy?  Will it extend to protect
members from abuse outside of IMSc?

What's more, will this be a "three strikes and your out" policy, as a
reference to baseball, or will this be a zero-tolerance policy?

Are we prepared to remove someone from the meetups if they are a high value
participant, such as someone with great standing in the Python community?
Stack Exchange drove off a Mathematics SE user, a well-respected professor
with many awards in the mathematics community, because he couldn't behave
himself and act like an adult on the SE network.  Are we willing to commit
to doing the same if needed?

Hope this helps!



James

Phone: * 866-707-4590*

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Abhishek <bigbeliever at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Shreyas,
> Good you brought this up.
>
> I have been active in the Ruby community here, and we too have a diversity
> problem. Overtime I have blamed several factors - patriarchy in our
> culture, apathy for technology in IT industry, and the latest - tech
> culture of geek glorification. After repeated discussions, my wife and I
> have arrived at a few conclusions.
>
> The benefits of participating in such a technical community are not
> obvious. Not to a normal, moderately passionate technologist. It is seen as
> more suited for the so called *enthusiast*. Younger men have more chance to
> experiment and find out, women not so much. They (and even men over a
> certain age) have more compulsions and lesser margin to explore and figure
> out. People agree that this is a noble endeavour, but to prioritise it
> above other compulsions we  have to measure the personal benefits. And
> since the whole phenomenon is new, we have no examples from past tradition.
>
> So the enthusiasts have the additional onus of advertising the community.
> To educate everyone about what's in it for them. It also helps to have a
> clear policy against sexism, harassment and bad-behaviour (We learned this
> the hard way).
>
> Regards,
> Abhishek
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:25 AM, James Mortensen <
> james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
>
>> While I have mixed feelings about a separate group, there already is a
>> group in Chennai that caters to women, via LeanIn Circles, inspired by
>> Sheryl Sandberg's book, Lean In.
>>
>> Many of my colleagues are in this list, including the only two women who
>> attended the Python workshop in February.  I have reached out to their
>> group founder to invite them to participate in our group at the end of the
>> month.
>>
>> http://leanincircles.org/circle/thesherylnetwork
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>> Phone: * 866-707-4590 <866-707-4590>*
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Kiran Gangadharan <me at kirang.in> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 13, 2015, at 09:34 PM, Shrayas rajagopal wrote:
>>> > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 1:56 PM, James Mortensen
>>> > <james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > [...]
>>> >
>>> > > I have a theory that encouragement can go a long way.  If you're a
>>> student,
>>> > > invite the women in your classes to attend Chennaipy.  If you work,
>>> invite
>>> > > women in your office.  If you have a sister or daughter, encourage
>>> her to go
>>> > > out into the world and make it her own.  Don't try to "protect" her
>>> with
>>> > > different rules or ideologies.  It's not protecting, it's
>>> restricting.
>>> >
>>> > well said. +1
>>> >
>>> > > With that said, I don't think a separate group would help; it would
>>> just
>>> > > make this problem worse.  This just perpetuates the idea that women
>>> need to
>>> > > be "protected".  For this to work, we need to create an environment
>>> of
>>> > > respect for everyone, tolerance, and the idea of personal
>>> responsibility for
>>> > > all of our actions.
>>> >
>>> > While I very much agree with you James, I think that an org like
>>> > PyLadies helps with the initial hurdle of getting women into
>>> > technology. Usually, it is this part that is very important as it can
>>> > make or break an impression. PyLadies IMO is a great way to foster
>>> > that impression and help bring focus to the technology where it should
>>> > rightfully be.
>>>
>>> While PyLadies could be a good initiative, something like that makes
>>> sense if we
>>> can identify key people who can help develop such a community and take
>>> it from there.
>>> With the kind of audience that we presently have, I don't think it's
>>> feasible to think
>>> about a seperate group for now.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > The fact is that we *dont* have / aren't trying hard enough to create
>>> > the environment that you talk about. In an idealistic scenario that is
>>> > how it should be. But in reality it really isn't that way (as you have
>>> > remarked yourself). Reality expects, as Jacob said, you to be a
>>> > "great" programmer or it expects you to be "cut out for" technology.
>>> > PyLadies helps in that exact area. The focus on technology would give
>>> > confidence (or clarity) to face what reality holds.
>>> >
>>> > I very much look up to all the women in tech. For them to have braced
>>> > all that the community throws at them and stand their ground is worth
>>> > much praise.
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Chennaipy mailing list
>>> > Chennaipy at python.org
>>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kiran Gangadharan
>>> http://kirang.in
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chennaipy mailing list
>>> Chennaipy at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chennaipy mailing list
>> Chennaipy at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chennaipy mailing list
> Chennaipy at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
>
>
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Tue May 19 14:02:55 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 07:02:55 -0500
Subject: [Chennaipy] Unable to ping chennaipy.org
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On Tue, May 19, 2015 2:43 am, Rengaraj D wrote:
> From yesterday onward unable to ping chennaipy.org.
> Getting webpage is not found error message.
>

I am already working on this. Will get this resolved shortly.

Regards,
Vijay

From sakthirengaraj at gmail.com  Wed May 20 09:07:48 2015
From: sakthirengaraj at gmail.com (Rengaraj D)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 12:37:48 +0530
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>
>
> I am already working on this. Will get this resolved shortly.
>
> Thanks Vijay website is working now. :-)
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From sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com  Thu May 21 21:32:07 2015
From: sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com (Sharmila Gopirajan)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 01:02:07 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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Hi,
It is very encouraging to see this discussion being brought up.  I'm
very sorry for the late reply but it was something I wanted to talk
about for quite sometime, so there were so many thoughts to pull out,
so much editing to do :) .

I would like to start by saying that, while the lack of participation
of women in US and India on the surface seems to be the same, the
causes are a little different and hence the solutions need to be
different too.

1. Plenty of women choose technology over here as an option in higher
education. I bet it is higher than it is in the US.
2. Women are not told that they will not do well in STEM (a concept
that is subtly reinforced in girls in US, atleast from what I read).
No one ever told me so.  Nor have I ever got such an impression from
any other girl that I know in India that she believes she will do
worse in Science or Math than a guy.
3. I have had very positive and supportive students/coworkers 99% of
the time.  The 1%, probably more, I suppose happens in all industries.

The main challenges as I see are

1. Lack of knowledge about the opportunities available
    Most girls are not aware of the opportunities available in the
tech arena. We need to create more awareness about the avenues
available. ILUGC conducts introductory classes for college students.
Maybe we can partner with them? We could do a small session regarding
python.  We could also identify girls who are interested in tech and
invite them.  Hopefully, they will inspire and guide others to follow.

2. Lack of female role models
    This was a sore point for me when I was in college.  It was quite
common to see a few guys (not all) in each class being involved in
programming competitions and tech outside curriculum. The proportion
of girls involved were much, much less, verging nil.  I think there
are two reasons for this.  First, as a society, the preference for
marks in ingrained in most of us.  Any extra work did not count,
unless, it impacted the grades. It was rather frowned upon. This
effect seemed more pronounced in women. Clubbed with that, we did not
have any female geek role models in college for us to emulate or look
up to.  So probably, we were all just infected with the Impostor
Syndrome and never even tried (I am equally guilty of that in college,
something I regret to this day.).

3. A cultural preference for mark oriented education rather than exploratory
    While almost everyone in the student community have this ingrained
at some level, the effect seems to be more pronounced in women. This
is based on my experience but almost 10 years have elapsed since.  I
don't know if it is still an accurate portrayal of the student
community in general, and female students in particular.  Current
students might be a better guide here.

4. Time limited by the responsibilities that arise in our lives.
    This is unfortunately unavoidable.  When you have a more
responsibilities(family/demanding job/startup), the number of hours
you can spend outside the spectrum of responsibility is very less.
Again, this is true for men and women, but more pronounced in women,
maybe because of the social structure.  One has to have much stronger
motivation/desire to be able to stretch themselves. Options of getting
someone in this stage is quite difficult.  The solution is to catch
them young.  If the seed of curiosity is sowed when they are in
college/school, there is a good chance that they will keep
participating.

5. Less Women in startups
    Startups are the happening place with regards to new tech.  The
proportion of women are much less in startups.  I believe it results
as due to a mix of factors 1,2,3.

6. Other Interests
    Some are simply going to find all this unimportant or not
pertaining to their goal. After all the work at office, involving
oneself in tech outside work might not be the most appealing option
for some. They just have prioritized something else and that should be
accepted.


As far as creating a separate meetup group for women, the pros are
that women may be more interested in contributing.  The cons are, they
will miss out on the rich background of the general group and we will
need to find enough participants to make such a meetup meaningful.

If you know any girl/woman who has some/any interest in tech, do
educate them of the possibilities available. If possible, dare them to
try some piece of tech outside their comfort zone. It might make a
difference for someone.

caveat emptor:  It is almost 10 years since I finished college. It is
also nearly 4 years since I worked a full time job. Thats a long time
in tech and this limits my perspective. Maybe things are different
now. I also apologize to any woman/girl out there if they feel this is
not the reality.  The picture I am painting is highly tinted by my own
experience.  It would be great if someone adds their views too.

Regards,
Sharmi

PS:
I just wanted to put so much thought into bytes, it grew too long.  I
have made a blog post of my rather long writeup. It is at
http://www.minvolai.com/blog/2015/05/My-Experience-in-Tech-and-its-reflection-on-Women-in-Tech-in-India/2015-5-21-My-Experience-in-Tech/
 The essence is the same, though I have added a a little more of my
life story there.


> Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 00:46:29 +0530
> From: Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
> To: Chennai Python User Group Mailing List <chennaipy at python.org>
> Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
> Message-ID:
>         <CAEkH89OwBMDxJce2nnjgKTct9d8D6ZgUDu2oNpebYFqFx1uLhg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi All,
>
> Sometime earlier in the day, Karthik, who is also part of our
> community linked me to Jacob[1]'s keynote at PyCon 2015[2].
>
> I just got around to watching it and it left me thinking about a lot
> of things. Before you go ahead with reading the rest of this message,
> I urge you all to go and watch the keynote and come back to this when
> you're done.
>
> One of the things that has been in mind for a very long time for me is
> the imbalance in our community. I've attended almost all meetups since
> October last year and I find the amount of women attending these
> meetups as compared to the amount of men is startlingly low. I've only
> found Sharmila stepping up to give talks and I found her talk about
> intro to pandas outstanding.
>
> The question I want to ask all the women on the list and to everyone
> else as well is if there is anything that we, as a community can do in
> order to start bringing a change in this imbalance. Do you think that
> the expectation around being a "women programmer" is too much? Do you
> think that we could have a Code Of Conduct for our community that
> would help our women counterparts feel more comfortable? Could we help
> set up some sort of a PyLadies chapter in Chennai?
>
> I want to know if, as a community, we are fundamentally missing
> something that doesn't encourage women from participating.
>
> I feel we need to fix this because we seem to be missing out on some
> great people. I've been influenced by so many great women in the field
> of tech. I feel our community (and largely even our country) has no
> lesser talent than anyone else. We should take an *active* step
> forward in making this happen.
>
> I look forward to all your thoughts and suggestions on this.
>
> ---
> Footnotes:
> [1]: https://twitter.com/jacobian
> [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIJdFxYlEKE
>
>
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>
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Fri May 22 06:12:04 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 09:42:04 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Kiran Gangadharan <me at kirang.in> wrote:
> While PyLadies could be a good initiative, something like that makes
> sense if we
> can identify key people who can help develop such a community and take
> it from there.
> With the kind of audience that we presently have, I don't think it's
> feasible to think
> about a seperate group for now.

I agree here. This I feel is the biggest problem with setting up a
separate group. The lack of people to run it itself.

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:25 AM, James Mortensen
<james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
> While I have mixed feelings about a separate group, there already is a group
> in Chennai that caters to women, via LeanIn Circles, inspired by Sheryl
> Sandberg's book, Lean In.
>
> Many of my colleagues are in this list, including the only two women who
> attended the Python workshop in February.  I have reached out to their group
> founder to invite them to participate in our group at the end of the month.
>
> http://leanincircles.org/circle/thesherylnetwork

This sounds great James. Thank you so much for your effort :)

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Abhishek <bigbeliever at gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> tech culture of geek
> glorification.

I really like that you brought this point up. I've been having quite a
few thoughts about this too. Everything is just aligned towards
portraying only the males as "geeks" and I hardly see a campaign or
anything that does the same for women. It has been very sad to look
at.

[...]

> The benefits of participating in such a technical community are not obvious.
> Not to a normal, moderately passionate technologist. It is seen as more
> suited for the so called *enthusiast*. Younger men have more chance to
> experiment and find out, women not so much. They (and even men over a
> certain age) have more compulsions and lesser margin to explore and figure
> out. People agree that this is a noble endeavour, but to prioritise it above
> other compulsions we  have to measure the personal benefits. And since the
> whole phenomenon is new, we have no examples from past tradition.

Very well said!

How do you reckon that we as "enthusiasts", can start tackling this
problem? How do we convince those set of people (be it men or women)
that there is a lot that they can gain from being a part of such
communities?

[...]

> It also helps to have a clear
> policy against sexism, harassment and bad-behaviour (We learned this the
> hard way).

Agree here. Do you have one setup from the ChennaiRb group so that we
can read and understand and have a point of reference?

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:35 PM, James Mortensen
<james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
> I think adopting a policy and points of contact is a good idea.  However, I
> don't think one needs to reinvent the wheel.  There are several sexual
> harassment policy templates available on the Internet that we can tailor:
> https://www.google.co.in/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=a_taVaiqJoKu8wefu4DACg&gws_rd=ssl#q=+sexual+harassment+policy+template+

Fair enough James, but I'd like to see the ChennaiRb group's policy
since we are both co located. The point being that they might have
taken into account their location based experiences before drafting it
out. And I feel we could benefit from that.

> What's more, one important component of such a policy is very clear paths of
> escalation.  Who would the points of contact be?  Will a female volunteer
> from Chennaipy be willing to step up and act as one of these points of
> contact so it's not just Vijay and Shrayas, an all male group of POC's?

Great point. I think it should be a female volunteer. Vijay, I or for
that matter, anyone else i'm sure will help out gladly when such an
issue arises but it definitely is more comforting when new women come
in and see that there is a female volunteer who they can feel
comfortable around in case such a situation happens.

> Also, most of our meetups involve listening to presentations and only brief
> mingling.  What is the boundary of this policy?  Will it extend to protect
> members from abuse outside of IMSc?
>
> What's more, will this be a "three strikes and your out" policy, as a
> reference to baseball, or will this be a zero-tolerance policy?
>
> Are we prepared to remove someone from the meetups if they are a high value
> participant, such as someone with great standing in the Python community?
> Stack Exchange drove off a Mathematics SE user, a well-respected professor
> with many awards in the mathematics community, because he couldn't behave
> himself and act like an adult on the SE network.  Are we willing to commit
> to doing the same if needed?

Very unclear about this. Will need to think about these. I'll get back
when I have answers. These are some fantastic thoughts James, I
appreciate you taking your time out to pen these down.

[...]


On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 1:02 AM, Sharmila Gopirajan
<sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> ILUGC conducts introductory classes for college students.
> Maybe we can partner with them? We could do a small session regarding
> python.  We could also identify girls who are interested in tech and
> invite them.  Hopefully, they will inspire and guide others to follow.

+1. Could definitely do. I'm sure some of us here know the ILUGC
people as well. We could collaborate on something for sure.

> 2. Lack of female role models
>     This was a sore point for me when I was in college.  It was quite
> common to see a few guys (not all) in each class being involved in
> programming competitions and tech outside curriculum. The proportion
> of girls involved were much, much less, verging nil.  I think there
> are two reasons for this.  First, as a society, the preference for
> marks in ingrained in most of us.  Any extra work did not count,
> unless, it impacted the grades. It was rather frowned upon. This
> effect seemed more pronounced in women. Clubbed with that, we did not
> have any female geek role models in college for us to emulate or look
> up to.  So probably, we were all just infected with the Impostor
> Syndrome and never even tried (I am equally guilty of that in college,
> something I regret to this day.).

I very much agree with all parts of this. I feel that the education
field makes people so cloudy to so many great things around them in
lieu of examinations and marks. (related video here[1]). I should also
very much agree that as I grew up in the tech world, I never really
looked up to any female role models simply because of the reason that
I wasn't made aware of their existance even. It (shamefully) is only
very recently as I started to be more proactive in finding material
and people to gain inspiration from that I found people of the likes
of Julia Evans, Jessica McKellar, etc.

Additionally, some colleges _don't even_ have seats open for women.
Loyola (the college I studied at), for example, doesn't even open its
Bachelors course up to women candidates. I'm not too sure of why they
should take such a decision even.

> 3. A cultural preference for mark oriented education rather than exploratory
>     While almost everyone in the student community have this ingrained
> at some level, the effect seems to be more pronounced in women.

Yes. I feel that the society as such imposes some kind of an invisible
expectation on women to be the "toppers" and the "centum" achieving
people. I'm sure it is the same society that frowns upon a woman when
she decides to "drop out" of her college in order to pursue something
that she loves and wants to be a part of.

> This
> is based on my experience but almost 10 years have elapsed since.  I
> don't know if it is still an accurate portrayal of the student
> community in general, and female students in particular.  Current
> students might be a better guide here.

Its been 8 since I finished mine and based on my interactions with the
current generation of people, I don't think much has changed. There
definitely is *much* more women participation, but not a healthy ratio
at all.

> 4. Time limited by the responsibilities that arise in our lives.
>     This is unfortunately unavoidable.  When you have a more
> responsibilities(family/demanding job/startup), the number of hours
> you can spend outside the spectrum of responsibility is very less.
> Again, this is true for men and women, but more pronounced in women,
> maybe because of the social structure.  One has to have much stronger
> motivation/desire to be able to stretch themselves. Options of getting
> someone in this stage is quite difficult.  The solution is to catch
> them young.  If the seed of curiosity is sowed when they are in
> college/school, there is a good chance that they will keep
> participating.

A wonderful point, this. What would you call, your definition of
"young"? And how do we help do such a thing? We could consider going
over to a Government / any other school on one day that is comfortable
to both parties and show them the things you can do with programming
and computers. We could demo The ExpEYES[2] system (which, so to speak
is nothing short of mind blowing) or show them, _practically_ what
computer science is great at. I'm all for this and would love to be a
part of such an activity.

>
> 5. Less Women in startups
>     Startups are the happening place with regards to new tech.  The
> proportion of women are much less in startups.  I believe it results
> as due to a mix of factors 1,2,3.

I feel that this scene is changing quite rapidly. I've been actively
talking to more people in the startup world and can constantly see
them mentioning women being very strong players in their payroll.

> 6. Other Interests
>     Some are simply going to find all this unimportant or not
> pertaining to their goal. After all the work at office, involving
> oneself in tech outside work might not be the most appealing option
> for some. They just have prioritized something else and that should be
> accepted.

This is definitely not something that we should be concerned with.
Everything starts from the interests of the person and that isn't
something we can control or should be controlling. If we do our best
in addressing all the points mentioned above, that in turn will help
with this point I feel.

> As far as creating a separate meetup group for women, the pros are
> that women may be more interested in contributing.  The cons are, they
> will miss out on the rich background of the general group and we will
> need to find enough participants to make such a meetup meaningful.

Agree with this. Is there any way we can retain the pro within
Chennaipy itself so that the con is avoided?

[...]

> It would be great if someone adds their views too.

Yes. The more the merrier :)

--
Footnotes:
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mtJOu29qbQ
[2]: http://expeyes.in/

From chintukoshy at gmail.com  Fri May 22 17:42:13 2015
From: chintukoshy at gmail.com (Chintu Philips Koshy)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 21:12:13 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Fwd: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2016
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajTHDhRYS02k7j7=50kqHDcqYTK1OgoqDSEM6s+_gnf6ZA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Folks,
Hope you've all read it. Why dont we discuss about it in tomorrow's meet?




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India 2016
To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference <inpycon at python.org>

Every year at AGM of PSSI we decide where to host PyCon India for next
year. It been 3 consecutive years we are doing in Bangalore.
Running PyCon India is very big effort, interested local group should do
some homework and convince the community that they can run the conference
effectively.


Here is what you can do now.

* Call for a meeting in your city, preferably in the python usergroup
mailing list and discuss with everyone.

* PyCon India requires a venue of 1200+ capacity. Find out what venues are
available in your city and how much it costs. (This year we are paying
close to 2L/day for NIMHANS).




* venue: Trade Centre*

* PyCon India requires a lot of sponsorships to meet the expenditure. Major
part of the sponsorships usually comes from the hosting city. Show the
community that you can raise sponsorships by getting at least a couple of
sponsorships from your city for this year's PyCon India.

* PyCon India gets better every year. We would like that to continue even
after it moves to a different city. You should get involved in running the
event this year and understand the details, so that you don't have to
reinvent them again.

Interested?


Regards,
Chintu Koshy
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From vijaykumar at bravegnu.org  Sat May 23 18:50:16 2015
From: vijaykumar at bravegnu.org (Vijay Kumar)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 22:20:16 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Minutes from Tamil Vanan
Message-ID: <5560AFC8.9020608@bravegnu.org>

Date/Time of Meeting: 23-May-15 / 3.00 PM - 6.00 PM
Location of Meeting: IMSc, Ramanujan Auditorium

We started our session at 3.10 PM, with welcoming note from Vijay
Kumar introducing the meeting format to the first time guests, who
turned-up for the Chennaipy meetup.

## 3.18 PM - 3.42 PM: How to build Predictive model using Dumbo, Nikil

Nikil took everyone into how we can build predictive models using
Dumbo. He highlighted how the legacy predictive model which uses
Python for modeling and use of java based system for production
environment. Finally, he clearly demonstrates how the DUMBO frameworks
helps data scientist to save enormous amount of time by building
predictive models and production environment with simple examples.

## 3.42 PM - 4.20 PM: Memory Management in Python, Vijay kumar

We had a classical talk once again from Vijay kumar, which helps
everyone to visualize how the memory is allocated to an variable in
languages in C, Java. He clearly showed how the memory is allocated to
an object in Python as well as how reference cycles occur and how the
cycle detection is implemented.

## 4.20 PM - 4.51 PM: Break Time

## 4.52 PM - 5.13 PM: Face detection using opencv RaspberryPi, Gaurav

Gourav demonstrated the face detection algorithm, which he developed
using OpenCV. He showed line by line the code for using OpenCV and for
capturing images using RaspberryPi camera module. Finally he shared
some of his hackathon experience to everyone.

## 5.13 PM - 5.48 PM: All things *py*, Krishna

Krishna started his talk with how the language got the name Python
followed by different flavors of Python and its corresponding unique
features. Everyone came to know about .pyc file information like magic
number, time stamp and source code details. At the end, he explained
clearly whether Python is interpreter based or compiler based language

## 5.48 PM - 6.00 PM: Impromptu lightning talks from audience

At the end we had series of impromptu small talks from the
audience. Venkatesh shared about use ptpython, Rengaraj shared his
experience on why he likes python followed by vote of thanks from
Vijay Kumar.

End of May edition



From kskrishnasangeeth at gmail.com  Sun May 24 10:19:58 2015
From: kskrishnasangeeth at gmail.com (Krishna Sangeeth KS)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 13:49:58 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] ChennaiPy Sprints - Creating something awesome as a
	community.
Message-ID: <CAOZZnLLFkvkH8R7ySX6wi_0D2B0NtDTdB77-ymVGf1DjVbHy3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I noticed that for US Pycon which happened in Montreal earlier this year,
there was this series of activity called Sprints[1]
where a group of Python enthusiasts come together and hack on some project
that they are interested. In the original
program, there are open source projects which participates and people can
contribute to them directly.

What about trying a variant of this idea of sprints. Instead of say maybe
hacking on opensource projects , we can thinking
of the community as a whole coming together and creating an awesome Python
tutorial which could be a collection of Ipython
notebooks. Almost anyone can participate in such an activity and if
everything goes well , we can point to a resource which
our community itself has created for people who are new to python to learn.

Community could create guidelines to ensure that the content of Notebook
adheres to some quality check. Now that Github supports
IPython rendering from the repository itself, i think  it will be much
easier for a beginner to find content quickly.

This could be done fully online for a specific date or we can think of
finding a venue where those who are interested can come together
and create these tutorials together. I would think the latter is a better
option as it is also helps in the process of community building.

Like to know what you guys think.


[1] https://us.pycon.org/2015/community/sprints/

Thanks,
Krishna Sangeeth
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From babuenir at gmail.com  Mon May 25 14:16:45 2015
From: babuenir at gmail.com (C.Babu Subash Chandar)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 17:46:45 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy]  May Meetup Photos
Message-ID: <CAPXxWUTpTy6wz1w=21hvj8YGwm6=YRxHEtQLMMAs33HkzYefdg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

I have uploaded the photos at Chennaipy may meetup page.


Thanks and Regards,
BabuSubashChandar.C
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From igauravsehrawat at gmail.com  Mon May 25 20:40:37 2015
From: igauravsehrawat at gmail.com (Gaurav Sehrawat)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 00:10:37 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] People trying to onboard python,
 now is the correct time ! Coursera course reminder
Message-ID: <CAC2qNN7UGnNWON1iL2aCY1zjgFzzCDVT5=V_JkcJxMtZvg7p_g@mail.gmail.com>

Course it good, so it the discussion forum on coursera. Join now

https://www.coursera.org/course/interactivepython1


Cheers
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From igauravsehrawat at gmail.com  Mon May 25 20:43:12 2015
From: igauravsehrawat at gmail.com (Gaurav Sehrawat)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 00:13:12 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] May Meetup Photos
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Great clicks.

A Group photo is what we are missing. Should look nice on chennaipy
homepage ! May be next time for this.

Cheers

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 5:46 PM, C.Babu Subash Chandar <babuenir at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I have uploaded the photos at Chennaipy may meetup page.
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> BabuSubashChandar.C
>
> _______________________________________________
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From babuenir at gmail.com  Tue May 26 05:24:48 2015
From: babuenir at gmail.com (C.Babu Subash Chandar)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 03:24:48 +0000
Subject: [Chennaipy] May Meetup Photos
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+1
Yeah that would be great. We'll definitely take one next time.

On Tue, 26 May 2015 12:13 am Gaurav Sehrawat <igauravsehrawat at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Great clicks.
>
> A Group photo is what we are missing. Should look nice on chennaipy
> homepage ! May be next time for this.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 5:46 PM, C.Babu Subash Chandar <babuenir at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I have uploaded the photos at Chennaipy may meetup page.
>>
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> BabuSubashChandar.C
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chennaipy mailing list
>> Chennaipy at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chennaipy
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From kskrishnasangeeth at gmail.com  Tue May 26 12:42:18 2015
From: kskrishnasangeeth at gmail.com (Krishna Sangeeth KS)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:12:18 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Awesome Python podcast
In-Reply-To: <CAOZZnLLCb_Au9LnV6fmGtHPWeoZDG8O+9zkCfpjXms-xaz3pdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOZZnLLCb_Au9LnV6fmGtHPWeoZDG8O+9zkCfpjXms-xaz3pdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOZZnLLmKzMa7KZQLmku_Y7TEE5q7d1K-wdGsSyVGsXv7za_xw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This podcast is all about python. I checked out few episodes and it was
great.

Check it out.

http://www.talkpythontome.com/episodes

Thanks,
Sangeeth
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From tshrinivasan at gmail.com  Tue May 26 14:18:59 2015
From: tshrinivasan at gmail.com (Shrinivasan T)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 17:48:59 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Awesome Python podcast
In-Reply-To: <CAOZZnLLmKzMa7KZQLmku_Y7TEE5q7d1K-wdGsSyVGsXv7za_xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOZZnLLCb_Au9LnV6fmGtHPWeoZDG8O+9zkCfpjXms-xaz3pdA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAND2796BLtS-8PVRe59uHfOgfQcBodM-xa-E7Dk-So7GCFvcmw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015, Krishna Sangeeth KS <kskrishnasangeeth at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This podcast is all about python. I checked out few episodes and it was
> great.
>
> Check it out.
>
> http://www.talkpythontome.com/episodes
>
>
>
Can any team volunteer on such podcasts in tamil?

Shrini


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From bigbeliever at gmail.com  Thu May 28 16:05:54 2015
From: bigbeliever at gmail.com (Abhishek)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:35:54 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Kiran Gangadharan <me at kirang.in> wrote:
> > While PyLadies could be a good initiative, something like that makes
> > sense if we
> > can identify key people who can help develop such a community and take
> > it from there.
> > With the kind of audience that we presently have, I don't think it's
> > feasible to think
> > about a seperate group for now.
>
> I agree here. This I feel is the biggest problem with setting up a
> separate group. The lack of people to run it itself.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:25 AM, James Mortensen
> <james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
> > While I have mixed feelings about a separate group, there already is a
> group
> > in Chennai that caters to women, via LeanIn Circles, inspired by Sheryl
> > Sandberg's book, Lean In.
> >
> > Many of my colleagues are in this list, including the only two women who
> > attended the Python workshop in February.  I have reached out to their
> group
> > founder to invite them to participate in our group at the end of the
> month.
> >
> > http://leanincircles.org/circle/thesherylnetwork
>
> This sounds great James. Thank you so much for your effort :)
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Abhishek <bigbeliever at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > tech culture of geek
> > glorification.
>
> I really like that you brought this point up. I've been having quite a
> few thoughts about this too. Everything is just aligned towards
> portraying only the males as "geeks" and I hardly see a campaign or
> anything that does the same for women. It has been very sad to look
> at.
>
> [...]
>
> > The benefits of participating in such a technical community are not
> obvious.
> > Not to a normal, moderately passionate technologist. It is seen as more
> > suited for the so called *enthusiast*. Younger men have more chance to
> > experiment and find out, women not so much. They (and even men over a
> > certain age) have more compulsions and lesser margin to explore and
> figure
> > out. People agree that this is a noble endeavour, but to prioritise it
> above
> > other compulsions we  have to measure the personal benefits. And since
> the
> > whole phenomenon is new, we have no examples from past tradition.
>
> Very well said!
>
> How do you reckon that we as "enthusiasts", can start tackling this
> problem? How do we convince those set of people (be it men or women)
> that there is a lot that they can gain from being a part of such
> communities?
>
> [...]
>
> > It also helps to have a clear
> > policy against sexism, harassment and bad-behaviour (We learned this the
> > hard way).
>
> Agree here. Do you have one setup from the ChennaiRb group so that we
> can read and understand and have a point of reference?
>

Hey Shreyas,
Here's the Ruby group code of conduct:
https://github.com/chennairb/code-of-conduct/blob/master/README.md
I am a bit ashamed to admit that I didn't write it down until recently. We
learned what we learned through some negative instances, so most of us had
clarity on whats right and what is not. Still, having it documented
improves everyone's confidence, and also prevents arbitrary moderator
action.

I request all of you to please share your opinions on it (preferably via
Github comments/issues).
Regards,
Abhishek


>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:35 PM, James Mortensen
> <james.mortensen at synclio.com> wrote:
> > I think adopting a policy and points of contact is a good idea.
> However, I
> > don't think one needs to reinvent the wheel.  There are several sexual
> > harassment policy templates available on the Internet that we can tailor:
> >
> https://www.google.co.in/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=a_taVaiqJoKu8wefu4DACg&gws_rd=ssl#q=+sexual+harassment+policy+template+
>
> Fair enough James, but I'd like to see the ChennaiRb group's policy
> since we are both co located. The point being that they might have
> taken into account their location based experiences before drafting it
> out. And I feel we could benefit from that.
>
> > What's more, one important component of such a policy is very clear
> paths of
> > escalation.  Who would the points of contact be?  Will a female volunteer
> > from Chennaipy be willing to step up and act as one of these points of
> > contact so it's not just Vijay and Shrayas, an all male group of POC's?
>
> Great point. I think it should be a female volunteer. Vijay, I or for
> that matter, anyone else i'm sure will help out gladly when such an
> issue arises but it definitely is more comforting when new women come
> in and see that there is a female volunteer who they can feel
> comfortable around in case such a situation happens.
>
> > Also, most of our meetups involve listening to presentations and only
> brief
> > mingling.  What is the boundary of this policy?  Will it extend to
> protect
> > members from abuse outside of IMSc?
> >
> > What's more, will this be a "three strikes and your out" policy, as a
> > reference to baseball, or will this be a zero-tolerance policy?
> >
> > Are we prepared to remove someone from the meetups if they are a high
> value
> > participant, such as someone with great standing in the Python community?
> > Stack Exchange drove off a Mathematics SE user, a well-respected
> professor
> > with many awards in the mathematics community, because he couldn't behave
> > himself and act like an adult on the SE network.  Are we willing to
> commit
> > to doing the same if needed?
>
> Very unclear about this. Will need to think about these. I'll get back
> when I have answers. These are some fantastic thoughts James, I
> appreciate you taking your time out to pen these down.
>
> [...]
>
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 1:02 AM, Sharmila Gopirajan
> <sharmila.gopirajan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > ILUGC conducts introductory classes for college students.
> > Maybe we can partner with them? We could do a small session regarding
> > python.  We could also identify girls who are interested in tech and
> > invite them.  Hopefully, they will inspire and guide others to follow.
>
> +1. Could definitely do. I'm sure some of us here know the ILUGC
> people as well. We could collaborate on something for sure.
>
> > 2. Lack of female role models
> >     This was a sore point for me when I was in college.  It was quite
> > common to see a few guys (not all) in each class being involved in
> > programming competitions and tech outside curriculum. The proportion
> > of girls involved were much, much less, verging nil.  I think there
> > are two reasons for this.  First, as a society, the preference for
> > marks in ingrained in most of us.  Any extra work did not count,
> > unless, it impacted the grades. It was rather frowned upon. This
> > effect seemed more pronounced in women. Clubbed with that, we did not
> > have any female geek role models in college for us to emulate or look
> > up to.  So probably, we were all just infected with the Impostor
> > Syndrome and never even tried (I am equally guilty of that in college,
> > something I regret to this day.).
>
> I very much agree with all parts of this. I feel that the education
> field makes people so cloudy to so many great things around them in
> lieu of examinations and marks. (related video here[1]). I should also
> very much agree that as I grew up in the tech world, I never really
> looked up to any female role models simply because of the reason that
> I wasn't made aware of their existance even. It (shamefully) is only
> very recently as I started to be more proactive in finding material
> and people to gain inspiration from that I found people of the likes
> of Julia Evans, Jessica McKellar, etc.
>
> Additionally, some colleges _don't even_ have seats open for women.
> Loyola (the college I studied at), for example, doesn't even open its
> Bachelors course up to women candidates. I'm not too sure of why they
> should take such a decision even.
>
> > 3. A cultural preference for mark oriented education rather than
> exploratory
> >     While almost everyone in the student community have this ingrained
> > at some level, the effect seems to be more pronounced in women.
>
> Yes. I feel that the society as such imposes some kind of an invisible
> expectation on women to be the "toppers" and the "centum" achieving
> people. I'm sure it is the same society that frowns upon a woman when
> she decides to "drop out" of her college in order to pursue something
> that she loves and wants to be a part of.
>
> > This
> > is based on my experience but almost 10 years have elapsed since.  I
> > don't know if it is still an accurate portrayal of the student
> > community in general, and female students in particular.  Current
> > students might be a better guide here.
>
> Its been 8 since I finished mine and based on my interactions with the
> current generation of people, I don't think much has changed. There
> definitely is *much* more women participation, but not a healthy ratio
> at all.
>
> > 4. Time limited by the responsibilities that arise in our lives.
> >     This is unfortunately unavoidable.  When you have a more
> > responsibilities(family/demanding job/startup), the number of hours
> > you can spend outside the spectrum of responsibility is very less.
> > Again, this is true for men and women, but more pronounced in women,
> > maybe because of the social structure.  One has to have much stronger
> > motivation/desire to be able to stretch themselves. Options of getting
> > someone in this stage is quite difficult.  The solution is to catch
> > them young.  If the seed of curiosity is sowed when they are in
> > college/school, there is a good chance that they will keep
> > participating.
>
> A wonderful point, this. What would you call, your definition of
> "young"? And how do we help do such a thing? We could consider going
> over to a Government / any other school on one day that is comfortable
> to both parties and show them the things you can do with programming
> and computers. We could demo The ExpEYES[2] system (which, so to speak
> is nothing short of mind blowing) or show them, _practically_ what
> computer science is great at. I'm all for this and would love to be a
> part of such an activity.
>
> >
> > 5. Less Women in startups
> >     Startups are the happening place with regards to new tech.  The
> > proportion of women are much less in startups.  I believe it results
> > as due to a mix of factors 1,2,3.
>
> I feel that this scene is changing quite rapidly. I've been actively
> talking to more people in the startup world and can constantly see
> them mentioning women being very strong players in their payroll.
>
> > 6. Other Interests
> >     Some are simply going to find all this unimportant or not
> > pertaining to their goal. After all the work at office, involving
> > oneself in tech outside work might not be the most appealing option
> > for some. They just have prioritized something else and that should be
> > accepted.
>
> This is definitely not something that we should be concerned with.
> Everything starts from the interests of the person and that isn't
> something we can control or should be controlling. If we do our best
> in addressing all the points mentioned above, that in turn will help
> with this point I feel.
>
> > As far as creating a separate meetup group for women, the pros are
> > that women may be more interested in contributing.  The cons are, they
> > will miss out on the rich background of the general group and we will
> > need to find enough participants to make such a meetup meaningful.
>
> Agree with this. Is there any way we can retain the pro within
> Chennaipy itself so that the con is avoided?
>
> [...]
>
> > It would be great if someone adds their views too.
>
> Yes. The more the merrier :)
>
> --
> Footnotes:
> [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mtJOu29qbQ
> [2]: http://expeyes.in/
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From eva_adosoglou at hotmail.com  Thu May 28 21:16:45 2015
From: eva_adosoglou at hotmail.com (eva adosoglou)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:16:45 +0300
Subject: [Chennaipy] Python Django developers in Chennai for a US startup
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Hi all,
I am looking for a dedicated, energetic, experienced small team of Python Django developers in Chennai for a US startup.Please let me know if anyone is interested.
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From kskrishnasangeeth at gmail.com  Sat May 30 10:14:22 2015
From: kskrishnasangeeth at gmail.com (Krishna Sangeeth KS)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 13:44:22 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Reminder for Pycon talk proposal
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Hi all,

Just a reminder. May 31st (Sunday) is the last day for submitting proposals
for pycon.

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From deepsukhwani at gmail.com  Sun May 31 07:35:45 2015
From: deepsukhwani at gmail.com (Deep Sukhwani)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:05:45 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Last Day to submit your proposal for PyCon India 2015
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Hi,

Call for Proposal for PyCon India 2015 closes today.

Don't miss the opportunity to deliver a talk/workshop on your Python
expertise in PyCon India 2015.
Hurry! Submit your proposal today!
You can submit your proposals here
https://in.pycon.org/cfp/pycon-india-2015/proposals/

Thanks,
PyCon India Team

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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Sun May 31 11:54:43 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 15:24:43 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] PyCon India Talk Proposal
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On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org> wrote:
> Chennaipy houses a diverse community, with some really great
> speakers. It will be great to see talks at PyCon India from the
> Chennai Python community. The deadline is 31st May. Please make sure
> you submit your proposal at the earliest.

Has anyone done this? :)

From shrayasr at gmail.com  Sun May 31 12:05:14 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 15:35:14 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] ChennaiPy Sprints - Creating something awesome as a
	community.
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On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Krishna Sangeeth KS
<kskrishnasangeeth at gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> What about trying a variant of this idea of sprints. Instead of say maybe
> hacking on opensource projects , we can thinking
> of the community as a whole coming together and creating an awesome Python
> tutorial

+1. I really like this idea. In the workshop that we did in Feb, it
was majorly content that we prepared and took from the Google Python
Class. It would be great if the community as such would participate in
building the material itself. It will help the newcomers within
Chennaipy and outside also.

> which could be a collection of Ipython
> notebooks.

Unsure about this. Like Vijay mentioned previously, I agree that it is
hard for a beginner to grasp the concept of "running python in a
browser" window as opposed to just doing it on the terminal itself
with the interpreter.

> Almost anyone can participate in such an activity

We could have sprints on the day of the meetup itself where we see if
we can meetup 1/2 hrs before (depending on the feasibility of the
venue, etc obviously) and work on pushing out such material.

[...]

> Community could create guidelines to ensure that the content of Notebook
> adheres to some quality check.

Enforcing PRs based content building would really take care of this by itself :)

[...]

> I would think the latter is a better
> option as it is also helps in the process of community building.

Agree with you. Co location helps a lot in community building.

[...]

---

The only roadblock I see is the initial push, as with any other
initiative. We need to have some solid ground set up before we can get
started. Even with the projects that Vijay puts up on Github, he does
quite a lot of work setting the initial set up so it is easy to
onboard people. This is something we need to think about.

Otherwise, Great initiative!

From shrayasr at gmail.com  Sun May 31 12:07:37 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 15:37:37 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] Diversity in Chennaipy
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Hi Abhishek,

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Abhishek <bigbeliever at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's the Ruby group code of conduct:
> https://github.com/chennairb/code-of-conduct/blob/master/README.md
> I am a bit ashamed to admit that I didn't write it down until recently. We
> learned what we learned through some negative instances, so most of us had
> clarity on whats right and what is not. Still, having it documented improves
> everyone's confidence, and also prevents arbitrary moderator action.

Thanks so much for sharing this. It looks like a good first cut to get
started with. Appreciate it :)

[...]

@Others: What do you think?

@Vijay: Shall we get an initial version of this into the site?

From igauravsehrawat at gmail.com  Sun May 31 16:34:07 2015
From: igauravsehrawat at gmail.com (Gaurav Sehrawat)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 20:04:07 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] PyCon India Talk Proposal
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89PPCxFpy1PS7cU1TVkpC2wCTOvshs4u_jz_+nO2icovfw@mail.gmail.com>
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I noticed one from chennai
https://in.pycon.org/cfp/pycon-india-2015/proposals/reasoning-under-uncertainty-with-python/

Upvote if you like.

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Vijay Kumar <vijaykumar at bravegnu.org>
> wrote:
> > Chennaipy houses a diverse community, with some really great
> > speakers. It will be great to see talks at PyCon India from the
> > Chennai Python community. The deadline is 31st May. Please make sure
> > you submit your proposal at the earliest.
>
> Has anyone done this? :)
> _______________________________________________
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Sun May 31 16:55:46 2015
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 20:25:46 +0530
Subject: [Chennaipy] PyCon India Talk Proposal
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References: <55562EC0.7050702@bravegnu.org>
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On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Gaurav Sehrawat
<igauravsehrawat at gmail.com> wrote:
> I noticed one from chennai
> https://in.pycon.org/cfp/pycon-india-2015/proposals/reasoning-under-uncertainty-with-python/

Yeah I noticed that too :)

From mayur at kagrana.com  Sun May 31 20:50:08 2015
From: mayur at kagrana.com (Mayur Shah)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:50:08 -0500
Subject: [Chennaipy] PyCon India Talk Proposal
In-Reply-To: <CAEkH89PEqBphzfmssyMyopEyez2Tm+VkPO88HPt1btHg0JV1mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55562EC0.7050702@bravegnu.org>
 <CAEkH89PPCxFpy1PS7cU1TVkpC2wCTOvshs4u_jz_+nO2icovfw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAN=8sFqBCgTqewx-AE0On43NQYEwUMaPtqzBTTUH2JtYsvetqw@mail.gmail.com>

Guys. Mine is from Chennai as well. Up vote if you like it.

https://in.pycon.org/cfp/pycon-india-2015/proposals/selenium-workshop/

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On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Gaurav Sehrawat
> <igauravsehrawat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I noticed one from chennai
> >
> https://in.pycon.org/cfp/pycon-india-2015/proposals/reasoning-under-uncertainty-with-python/
>
> Yeah I noticed that too :)
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