+ <title tal:content="string:${data/title} : Python Package Index" /> However, it changes URL for all pages, which may be not what is desired. Any ideas how to make it only for package description pages in TAL? Here comes the second question. Considering that I have an idea how to do this in Django and: 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL 2. people are unlikely to learn another language for PyPI 3. Django templates are used in AppEngine port 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful Will people here support migrating existing PyPI templates to Django? I guess the process can be made more fun with incremental update. However, I don't know if Django template engine can be separately installed even though App Engine SDK supports this. I've heard that Jinja2 is compatible option, so it can also be used instead. -- anatoly t. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: package.names.first.patch Type: application/octet-stream Size: 860 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/catalog-sig/attachments/20110629/bd0203be/attachment.obj> From chris at simplistix.co.uk Wed Jun 29 21:25:34 2011 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:25:34 +0100 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: > 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. > 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful That's just plain wrong. > Will people here support migrating existing PyPI templates to Django? -1 from me. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From techtonik at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 23:46:01 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:46:01 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote: > On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL > > That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. Some proof from my side. http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22tal+templates%22%2C+%22django+templates%22 Your turn. >> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful > > That's just plain wrong. Ok. Then answer the original question. How to override html title attribute for a subset of PyPI pages? >> Will people here support migrating existing PyPI templates to Django? > > -1 from me. Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? -- anatoly t. From chris at simplistix.co.uk Wed Jun 29 23:54:39 2011 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:54:39 +0100 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> On 29/06/2011 22:46, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Chris Withers<chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote: >> On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>> >>> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >> >> That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. > > Some proof from my side. > http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22tal+templates%22%2C+%22django+templates%22 > Your turn. Pointless posturing. Google trends don't provide a way to accurately compare the usage of two templating languages. The whole Plone community uses TAL, not to mention the rest of the Zope world, all the people who use chameleon or one of the other python TAL implementations, not to mention the TAL implementations in other languages such as Java and PHP. >>> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful >> >> That's just plain wrong. > > Ok. Then answer the original question. How to override html title > attribute for a subset of PyPI pages? The root template is likely a macro template, if it hasn't been designed to allow customising on a per-page basis, you'd need to modify it: <title metal:define-slot="title"... Then in the specific template, fill that slot: <title metal:fill-slot="title"... > Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? Absolutely not. > Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? +0. I'm in favour of mirrors, how those mirrors are implemented I don't really care, as long as the http api they expose is consistent and, more importantly, provided the tools around (ie: setuptools) use them. If that last issue isn't solved, mirrors are cute and maybe useful in emergencies where you're prepared to go and manually download packages, but otherwise they're essentially useless. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From pydanny at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 00:00:16 2011 From: pydanny at gmail.com (Daniel Greenfeld) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:00:16 -0700 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <BANLkTinUqCn_1MKpD3wqLOx+FneVaQQKVA@mail.gmail.com> I'm just going to have to +1,000,000 Chris Withers on everything he says here. I see ABSOLUTELY no reason to redo PyPI just because of one person doesn't like how titles and urls are done. I'm also really leery about hosting it on GAE. That locks PyPI into one vendor and a proprietary toolset. The inner workings of GAE are the domain of Google and I would like to think that the main package repo for Python be 100% open source. FWIW, Anatoly, there are numerous PyPI clones in Django already. You are smart. Why not use http://djangopackages.com/packages/p/chishop/ or one of its forks. Then alter it to suit your needs. Daniel Greenfeld On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote: > On 29/06/2011 22:46, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Chris Withers<chris at simplistix.co.uk> >> ?wrote: >>> >>> On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>>> >>>> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >>> >>> That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. >> >> Some proof from my side. >> >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22tal+templates%22%2C+%22django+templates%22 >> Your turn. > > Pointless posturing. > Google trends don't provide a way to accurately compare the usage of two > templating languages. The whole Plone community uses TAL, not to mention the > rest of the Zope world, all the people who use chameleon or one of the other > python TAL implementations, not to mention the TAL implementations in other > languages such as Java and PHP. > >>>> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful >>> >>> That's just plain wrong. >> >> Ok. Then answer the original question. How to override html title >> attribute for a subset of PyPI pages? > > The root template is likely a macro template, if it hasn't been designed to > allow customising on a per-page basis, you'd need to modify it: > > <title metal:define-slot="title"... > > Then in the specific template, fill that slot: > > <title metal:fill-slot="title"... > >> Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? > > Absolutely not. > >> Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? > > +0. > > I'm in favour of mirrors, how those mirrors are implemented I don't really > care, as long as the http api they expose is consistent and, more > importantly, provided the tools around (ie: setuptools) use them. > > If that last issue isn't solved, mirrors are cute and maybe useful in > emergencies where you're prepared to go and manually download packages, but > otherwise they're essentially useless. > > cheers, > > Chris > > -- > Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting > ? ? ? ? ? - http://www.simplistix.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Catalog-SIG mailing list > Catalog-SIG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig > -- 'Knowledge is Power' Daniel Greenfeld http://pydanny.blogspot.com http://cartwheelweb.com From ben+python at benfinney.id.au Thu Jun 30 01:53:16 2011 From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:53:16 +1000 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87zkl0kxeb.fsf@benfinney.id.au> anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> writes: > Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? I don't know why that's a personal question. ?1 on any move to move PyPI away from technologies controlled by the community. We don't need to increase vendor lock-in for critical infrastructure. > Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? I don't know of any good coherent definition of such a thing, so I don't know what an answer would mean. -- \ ?Whenever you read a good book, it's like the author is right | `\ there, in the room talking to you, which is why I don't like to | _o__) read good books.? ?Jack Handey | Ben Finney From merwok at netwok.org Thu Jun 30 16:02:16 2011 From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:02:16 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Page titles In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E0C81E8.9020101@netwok.org> Hi, > I often search for packages like 'soap' and open a lot of tabs. It is > impossible to navigate this mess, because all tabs are named like > "Python Package Index : package name" and 'package name' is of course > invisible. The obvious way to fix this is below (with full patch > attached). > > Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt > =================================================================== > - <title tal:content="string:Python Package Index : ${data/title}" /> > + <title tal:content="string:${data/title} : Python Package Index" /> Agreed about the bug and fix, only I?d use a ? character, not a semicolon. It?s a good practice on the Web to put the generic part of the title after the specific part. > However, it changes URL for all pages, which may be not what is > desired. Does it really change URIs? I thought this was about titles only. Regards From fdrake at acm.org Thu Jun 30 16:54:14 2011 From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:54:14 -0400 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTinL+25RteQH1ByiKvVT7_3H_U9CEA@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: > Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt > =================================================================== > - ? ? ?<title tal:content="string:Python Package Index : ${data/title}" /> > + ? ? ?<title tal:content="string:${data/title} : Python Package Index" /> This patch is good. > However, it changes URL for all pages, which may be not what is > desired. Any ideas how to make it only for package description pages > in TAL? It does not affect the URLs, only the page titles. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.? ? <fdrake at acm.org> "Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities." ?? --Frank Lloyd Wright From fdrake at acm.org Thu Jun 30 16:59:45 2011 From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:59:45 -0400 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tal to Django/Jinja transition Message-ID: <BANLkTi=k_UKrBehvAuY9N-Jqk-dQi6rY9A@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: > Here comes the second question. Considering that I have an idea how to > do this in Django and: > 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL > 2. people are unlikely to learn another language for PyPI > 3. Django templates are used in AppEngine port > 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful Some may consider me biased with respect to ZPT, but I think I can be reasonable. Having recently looked at Django templating language (via Jinja2), I found the language to be more confusing. I'm not generally a fan of template languages (though I concede that they're useful, and use ZPT regularly), the set of assumptions that seem present in the Django language revives my wariness and mistrust of templating. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.? ? <fdrake at acm.org> "Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities." ?? --Frank Lloyd Wright From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:10:52 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:10:52 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=k_UKrBehvAuY9N-Jqk-dQi6rY9A@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTi=k_UKrBehvAuY9N-Jqk-dQi6rY9A@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=VYwkZM0_UwaSVq8YKX7skbbJDFQ@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Fred Drake <fdrake at acm.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: >> Here comes the second question. Considering that I have an idea how to >> do this in Django and: >> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >> 2. people are unlikely to learn another language for PyPI >> 3. Django templates are used in AppEngine port >> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful > > Some may consider me biased with respect to ZPT, but I think I can be > reasonable. > > Having recently looked at Django templating language (via Jinja2), I found > the language to be more confusing. ?I'm not generally a fan of template > languages (though I concede that they're useful, and use ZPT regularly), > the set of assumptions that seem present in the Django language revives my > wariness and mistrust of templating. We are all technical people here. I learned Django templating, because I have to patch Rietveld. I tried to learn TAL to patch Roundup, but couldn't find a sane reference, so I learned by example, but still can't find a way how to patch PyPI for my simple use case. Django docs are much better in this respect. So, as we are all technical people here, do you have any specific critics towards one approach or another, so I can at least get an idea why people like TAL and may prefer it over Django given equal familiarity and experience in both languages? -- anatoly t. From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:13:40 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:13:40 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinL+25RteQH1ByiKvVT7_3H_U9CEA@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <BANLkTinL+25RteQH1ByiKvVT7_3H_U9CEA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTinDhyqk+KPjyJf4GvdzO+=PnfODcg@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Fred Drake <fdrake at acm.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: >> Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt >> =================================================================== >> - ? ? ?<title tal:content="string:Python Package Index : ${data/title}" /> >> + ? ? ?<title tal:content="string:${data/title} : Python Package Index" /> > > This patch is good. > >> However, it changes URL for all pages, which may be not what is >> desired. Any ideas how to make it only for package description pages >> in TAL? > > It does not affect the URLs, only the page titles. Yes, sorry, I meant Titles, not URLS. -- anatoly t. From benji at benjiyork.com Thu Jun 30 18:26:27 2011 From: benji at benjiyork.com (Benji York) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:26:27 -0500 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=VYwkZM0_UwaSVq8YKX7skbbJDFQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTi=k_UKrBehvAuY9N-Jqk-dQi6rY9A@mail.gmail.com> <BANLkTi=VYwkZM0_UwaSVq8YKX7skbbJDFQ@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=B0FdJm5Ry--SWTwmhd572VnxwtA@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Fred Drake <fdrake at acm.org> wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Here comes the second question. Considering that I have an idea how to >>> do this in Django and: >>> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >>> 2. people are unlikely to learn another language for PyPI >>> 3. Django templates are used in AppEngine port >>> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful >> >> Some may consider me biased with respect to ZPT, but I think I can be >> reasonable. >> >> Having recently looked at Django templating language (via Jinja2), I found >> the language to be more confusing. ?I'm not generally a fan of template >> languages (though I concede that they're useful, and use ZPT regularly), >> the set of assumptions that seem present in the Django language revives my >> wariness and mistrust of templating. > > We are all technical people here. I learned Django templating, because > I have to patch Rietveld. I tried to learn TAL to patch Roundup, but > couldn't find a sane reference, so I learned by example, but still > can't find a way how to patch PyPI for my simple use case. Django docs > are much better in this respect. When I have questions I use the TAL, TALES, and METAL specs: http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/TALSpecification14 http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/TALESSpecification13 http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/METALSpecification11 > So, as we are all technical people here, do you have any specific > critics towards one approach or another, so I can at least get an idea > why people like TAL and may prefer it over Django given equal > familiarity and experience in both languages? I've never used the Django template language so my perspective is limited. I like ZPT (Zope Page Templates, the combination of TAL, TALES, and METAL) because it is simple and well defined. I'd actually like it if it did even less (e.g., not have the ability to include Python expressions). I suspect I'm in the minority there. -- Benji York From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:43:10 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:43:10 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=9T9heOxcDv2sNAdijT2yoP_tvsw@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>>> >>>> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >>> >>> That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. >> >> Some proof from my side. >> >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22tal+templates%22%2C+%22django+templates%22 >> Your turn. > > Pointless posturing. > Google trends don't provide a way to accurately compare the usage of two > templating languages. The whole Plone community uses TAL, not to mention the > rest of the Zope world, all the people who use chameleon or one of the other > python TAL implementations, not to mention the TAL implementations in other > languages such as Java and PHP. I don't know the size of these communities. Never tried to use Plone. I guess that's because it is GPL, and the only site I know that uses it is stackless.com, which is in a rather poor condition. Zope doesn't sounds good if pronounced in Russian, but I guess the license limitation (obligatory doc writing) was a primary concern too. >>>> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful >>> >>> That's just plain wrong. >> >> Ok. Then answer the original question. How to override html title >> attribute for a subset of PyPI pages? > > The root template is likely a macro template, if it hasn't been designed to > allow customising on a per-page basis, you'd need to modify it: > > <title metal:define-slot="title"... > > Then in the specific template, fill that slot: > > <title metal:fill-slot="title"... Thanks. It doesn't seem right to include <title> tag in display.pt that doesn't have head section at all, so I've inserted <metal:fill fill-slot="title"... Will the new patch work ok? (attached) >> Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? > > Absolutely not. > >> Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? > > +0. > > I'm in favour of mirrors, how those mirrors are implemented I don't really > care, as long as the http api they expose is consistent and, more > importantly, provided the tools around (ie: setuptools) use them. > > If that last issue isn't solved, mirrors are cute and maybe useful in > emergencies where you're prepared to go and manually download packages, but > otherwise they're essentially useless. Sounds reasonable. But increased availability, security and DoS protection with mirrors is gained at a cost of administration hassle, and server stuff is something nobody wants to deal with, because these problems are truly endless. -- anatoly t. -------------- next part -------------- Index: pypi/templates/display.pt =================================================================== --- pypi/templates/display.pt (revision 925) +++ pypi/templates/display.pt (working copy) @@ -4,6 +4,8 @@ xmlns:metal="http://xml.zope.org/namespaces/metal" metal:use-macro="standard_template/macros/page"> +<metal:fill fill-slot="title" tal:content="string:${data/name} ${data/version}: Python Package Index" /> + <metal:fill fill-slot="head"> <meta tal:condition="data/release/keywords | nothing" name="keywords" Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt =================================================================== --- pypi/templates/standard_template.pt (revision 925) +++ pypi/templates/standard_template.pt (working copy) @@ -8,7 +8,7 @@ <META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX,NOFOLLOW" tal:condition="data/norobots"/> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="content-type" /> <base tal:attributes="href data/FULL_PATH_INFO"/> - <title tal:content="string:Python Package Index : ${data/title}" /> + <title metal:define-slot="title" tal:content="Python Package Index : string:${data/title}" /> <meta tal:attributes="content data/keywords" /> <meta tal:attributes="content data/description" /> <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS: 30 latest updates" href="http://www.python.org/pypi?:action=rss"/> Index: pypi/webui.py =================================================================== --- pypi/webui.py (revision 925) +++ pypi/webui.py (working copy) @@ -1348,7 +1348,6 @@ name=name, version=version, release=release, description=release.get('summary') or name, keywords=release.get('keywords', ''), - title=name + " " +version, requires=values('requires'), provides=values('provides'), obsoletes=values('obsoletes'), From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 19:26:57 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:26:57 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinUqCn_1MKpD3wqLOx+FneVaQQKVA@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinUqCn_1MKpD3wqLOx+FneVaQQKVA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTinZwCitHLnAHDXLvy=qTWqTA0zsjA@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Daniel Greenfeld <pydanny at gmail.com> wrote: > I'm just going to have to +1,000,000 Chris Withers on everything he says here. Chris, can you promise to give me +1$ if I buy you a beer? =) > I see ABSOLUTELY no reason to redo PyPI just because of one person > doesn't like how titles and urls are done. Me too. Redoing PyPI is ABSOLUTELY useless waste of time regardless of urls and titles. > I'm also really leery about hosting it on GAE. That locks PyPI into > one vendor and a proprietary toolset. The inner workings of GAE are > the domain of Google and I would like to think that the main package > repo for Python be 100% open source. The trick is make application that runs on GAE IN ADDITION to running standalone or on a separate own server. I've heard that it can be easily achieved with Django + django-nonrel, but I don't have experience. Maybe it will be necessary to switch to MongoDB from PostreSQL/MySQL. > FWIW, Anatoly, there are numerous PyPI clones in Django already. You > are smart. Why not use http://djangopackages.com/packages/p/chishop/ > or one of its forks. Then alter it to suit your needs. Alpha. No demo site. Two years without releases. But seems active. It would be extremely useful to see a comparison of these or at least a short review from those who are familiar with http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyPiImplementations And the main problem that I am forced to use PyPI, because it is the only server where people can find and download my released packages. -- anatoly t.

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Stefan Krah From jannis at leidel.info Sat Jun 4 17:38:40 2011 From: jannis at leidel.info (Jannis Leidel) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 17:38:40 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Add link to secure connection to the PyPI front page In-Reply-To: <20110604082237.GA32282@sleipnir.bytereef.org> References: <20110604082237.GA32282@sleipnir.bytereef.org> Message-ID: > Hi, > > related to http://bugs.python.org/issue12226, I think it would be nice to > add a link to the SSL connection to the PyPI front page: Which makes me wonder, why is it that PyPI doesn't use a universally accepted SSL cert instead of the CAcert one? Note: I'm a CAcert assurer myself but would prefer using a cert by one of the commercial CAs for the sake of the users. Any opinions? Jannis > --- a/pypi.html 2011-06-04 10:05:47.000000000 +0200 > +++ b/pypi.html 2011-06-04 10:05:41.000000000 +0200 > @@ -177,6 +177,19 @@ > >
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> > > > Stefan Krah > > > _______________________________________________ > Catalog-SIG mailing list > Catalog-SIG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig From martin at v.loewis.de Sat Jun 4 17:48:01 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 17:48:01 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Add link to secure connection to the PyPI front page In-Reply-To: References: <20110604082237.GA32282@sleipnir.bytereef.org> Message-ID: <4DEA53B1.603@v.loewis.de> > Which makes me wonder, why is it that PyPI doesn't use a universally > accepted SSL cert instead of the CAcert one? Note: I'm a CAcert assurer > myself but would prefer using a cert by one of the commercial CAs for > the sake of the users. > > Any opinions? Primarily because of lack of volunteer time. Buying a certificate is a big effort, issuing a cacert one is simple. And before anybody says "no, it's not difficult", or "no, it shouldn't be difficult", please consider volunteering for the next ten years to manage the PSF server certificates (as one of the key problems that makes it difficult is that responsibilities change so often with volunteers). Regards, Martin From mal at egenix.com Sat Jun 4 22:30:11 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:30:11 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Add link to secure connection to the PyPI front page In-Reply-To: <4DEA53B1.603@v.loewis.de> References: <20110604082237.GA32282@sleipnir.bytereef.org> <4DEA53B1.603@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <4DEA95D3.9060803@egenix.com> "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >> Which makes me wonder, why is it that PyPI doesn't use a universally >> accepted SSL cert instead of the CAcert one? Note: I'm a CAcert assurer >> myself but would prefer using a cert by one of the commercial CAs for >> the sake of the users. >> >> Any opinions? > > Primarily because of lack of volunteer time. Buying a certificate is > a big effort, issuing a cacert one is simple. > > And before anybody says "no, it's not difficult", or "no, it shouldn't > be difficult", please consider volunteering for the next ten years to > manage the PSF server certificates (as one of the key problems that > makes it difficult is that responsibilities change so often with > volunteers). Perhaps we could get Pat, the PSF secretary and administrator to deal with the paperwork that's needed to get a certificate. Installing it is not really such a major task, once you have the paperwork done. Should we take this to the PSF board for discussion ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jun 04 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2011-05-23: Released eGenix mx Base 3.2.0 http://python.egenix.com/ 2011-05-25: Released mxODBC 3.1.1 http://python.egenix.com/ 2011-06-20: EuroPython 2011, Florence, Italy 16 days to go ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From justinc at cs.washington.edu Sat Jun 4 22:37:28 2011 From: justinc at cs.washington.edu (Justin Cappos) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 13:37:28 -0700 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Add link to secure connection to the PyPI front page In-Reply-To: <4DEA95D3.9060803@egenix.com> References: <20110604082237.GA32282@sleipnir.bytereef.org> <4DEA53B1.603@v.loewis.de> <4DEA95D3.9060803@egenix.com> Message-ID: It depends on the threat model which is worse. If you're worried about the Chinese govt inserting malicious packages to track dissidents then using an universally accepted SSL cert is a bad idea. It's easy for a powerful and motivated attacker to get arbitrary certs signed. If you think that the risk of having the certificate stolen, loss of administrative control, etc. is a bigger threat, then an universally accepted SSL cert seems the wiser outcome. Of course, if distutils and other tools don't check certs, etc. this is all academic... Thanks, Justin On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:30 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >>> Which makes me wonder, why is it that PyPI doesn't use a universally >>> accepted SSL cert instead of the CAcert one? Note: I'm a CAcert assurer >>> myself but would prefer using a cert by one of the commercial CAs for >>> the sake of the users. >>> >>> Any opinions? >> >> Primarily because of lack of volunteer time. Buying a certificate is >> a big effort, issuing a cacert one is simple. >> >> And before anybody says "no, it's not difficult", or "no, it shouldn't >> be difficult", please consider volunteering for the next ten years to >> manage the PSF server certificates (as one of the key problems that >> makes it difficult is that responsibilities change so often with >> volunteers). > > Perhaps we could get Pat, the PSF secretary and administrator > to deal with the paperwork that's needed to get a certificate. > > Installing it is not really such a major task, once you have > the paperwork done. Should we take this to the PSF board for > discussion ? > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Source ?(#1, Jun 04 2011) >>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... ? ? ? ?http://www.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... ? ? ? ? ? ? http://zope.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... ? ? ? ?http://python.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > 2011-05-23: Released eGenix mx Base 3.2.0 ? ? ?http://python.egenix.com/ > 2011-05-25: Released mxODBC 3.1.1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://python.egenix.com/ > 2011-06-20: EuroPython 2011, Florence, Italy ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 16 days to go > > ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: > > > ? eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH ?Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > ? ?D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg > ? ? ? ? ? Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ > _______________________________________________ > Catalog-SIG mailing list > Catalog-SIG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig > From martin at v.loewis.de Sat Jun 4 22:50:22 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:50:22 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Add link to secure connection to the PyPI front page In-Reply-To: <4DEA95D3.9060803@egenix.com> References: <20110604082237.GA32282@sleipnir.bytereef.org> <4DEA53B1.603@v.loewis.de> <4DEA95D3.9060803@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4DEA9A8E.7070607@v.loewis.de> > Installing it is not really such a major task, once you have > the paperwork done. Should we take this to the PSF board for > discussion ? Essentially, I don't want to deal with that CA bureaucracy at all. If you think that by taking it to the PSF board, you get all the issues resolved, please go ahead. Installing it in the end is indeed easy. Regards, Martin From mal at egenix.com Sat Jun 4 22:54:10 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:54:10 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Add link to secure connection to the PyPI front page In-Reply-To: References: <20110604082237.GA32282@sleipnir.bytereef.org> <4DEA53B1.603@v.loewis.de> <4DEA95D3.9060803@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4DEA9B72.7030700@egenix.com> Justin Cappos wrote: > It depends on the threat model which is worse. > > If you're worried about the Chinese govt inserting malicious packages > to track dissidents then using an universally accepted SSL cert is a > bad idea. It's easy for a powerful and motivated attacker to get > arbitrary certs signed. > > If you think that the risk of having the certificate stolen, loss of > administrative control, etc. is a bigger threat, then an universally > accepted SSL cert seems the wiser outcome. > > Of course, if distutils and other tools don't check certs, etc. this > is all academic... I think it has more to do with being user friendly than anything else. A casual user seeing the Firefox warning about an untrusted connection is likely going to revert to using the unsecure HTTP connection rather than accepting an exception to get a secure HTTPS one. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jun 04 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2011-05-23: Released eGenix mx Base 3.2.0 http://python.egenix.com/ 2011-05-25: Released mxODBC 3.1.1 http://python.egenix.com/ 2011-06-20: EuroPython 2011, Florence, Italy 16 days to go ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From mal at egenix.com Sat Jun 4 22:55:26 2011 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:55:26 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Add link to secure connection to the PyPI front page In-Reply-To: <4DEA9A8E.7070607@v.loewis.de> References: <20110604082237.GA32282@sleipnir.bytereef.org> <4DEA53B1.603@v.loewis.de> <4DEA95D3.9060803@egenix.com> <4DEA9A8E.7070607@v.loewis.de> Message-ID: <4DEA9BBE.50904@egenix.com> "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >> Installing it is not really such a major task, once you have >> the paperwork done. Should we take this to the PSF board for >> discussion ? > > Essentially, I don't want to deal with that CA bureaucracy at all. I can understand that :-) > If you think that by taking it to the PSF board, you get all the > issues resolved, please go ahead. Ok, let's give it a try, then. > Installing it in the end is indeed easy. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jun 04 2011) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ 2011-05-23: Released eGenix mx Base 3.2.0 http://python.egenix.com/ 2011-05-25: Released mxODBC 3.1.1 http://python.egenix.com/ 2011-06-20: EuroPython 2011, Florence, Italy 16 days to go ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From fuzzyman at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 19:47:27 2011 From: fuzzyman at gmail.com (Michael Foord) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:47:27 +0100 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Server error page for pypi Message-ID: Hey all, We received the following notification on webmaster at python.org: """ http://pypi.python.org/simple/py-bcrypt/ is down here is error message. Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, webmaster at python.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. """ I don't see a server error on that page, so it was obviously a temporary problem. However in the event of an error webmaster at python.org is not a helpful email address to send notifications to. Either the pypi bug tracker or this list would be better. Would it be possible to use a different template for server error pages please. All the best, Michael Foord -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at v.loewis.de Wed Jun 15 00:37:10 2011 From: martin at v.loewis.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:37:10 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Server error page for pypi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF7E296.6080607@v.loewis.de> > I don't see a server error on that page, so it was obviously a temporary > problem. However in the event of an error webmaster at python.org > is not a helpful email address to send > notifications to. Either the pypi bug tracker or this list would be > better. Would it be possible to use a different template for server > error pages please. Can you please elaborate? Should we stop claiming "Website maintained by the Python community"? If not, what specific change do you envision? I do think webmaster@ is a helpful address to send messages to, in particular for people who missed the link "Get help" or "Bug reports". Regards, Martin From ziade.tarek at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 17:27:02 2011 From: ziade.tarek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:27:02 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Case sensitive names Message-ID: Hey I realize that http://a.pypi.python.org/simple/webob/ *and* http://a.pypi.python.org/simple/WebOb/ both exist (the first one is an alias) this is fine, but the mirrors don't copy the aliases. so http://c.pypi.python.org/simple/webob/ will issue a 404 This is OK for pip and easy_install as they fallback on the main index to look for the real name if simple/webob/ is not found, and I can probably add the same behavior in the new crawler in packaging. But what about changing this in the future by making all index paths lower cases, so both PyPI and its mirrors are completely similar The non-lower case version could become the alias for backward compatible purposes, but tools could start to lower-case all project names by default when looking at the index Cheers Tarek -- Tarek Ziad? | http://ziade.org From techtonik at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 15:01:52 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Catalog-sig] Google Groups Mirror Message-ID: <22891004.474.1308747712325.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbre5> Hi. Just wanted you to know that it is now possible to access "catalog special interest group" from Google Groups interface. Hopefully, this will boost collaboration a bit. I've done this to be able to subscribe to selected threads, search and reply from the web interface. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Which (speaking as one of thetwo moderators) if you're going to be posting often, is a little rude. Richard From pydanny at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 09:48:49 2011 From: pydanny at gmail.com (Daniel Greenfeld) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 00:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Google Groups Mirror In-Reply-To: References: <29214449.762.1308764377047.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prob10> <7025587.657.1308784473334.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbxe21> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Richard Jones wrote: > On 23 June 2011 09:14, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> You can reply only to catalog-sig and the mail will reach groups. Replying >> to both doesn't do any harm. > > I'd like to discourage posting through the google group please. > > Messages from the "pypi" group appear to come from that group, so > replying to them sends the message to that group. Which most (all, at > the moment) aren't subscribed to, so it bounces. So you have to > manually modify the "to" header when replying. > > And one of the catalog-sig moderators has to approve each message > unless you're subscribed to the list. Which (speaking as one of thetwo > moderators) if you're going to be posting often, is a little rude. That seems rather ugly. Makes me wonder if the google groups mirror can be set so it can't be posted from. Anatoly? -- 'Knowledge is Power' Daniel Greenfeld http://pydanny.blogspot.com http://cartwheelweb.com From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 18:41:44 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Catalog-sig] Google Groups Mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5917311.2068.1308847304175.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbre5> On Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:49:21 AM UTC+3, Richard Jones wrote: > > On 23 June 2011 09:14, anatoly techtonik wrote: > > You can reply only to catalog-sig and the mail will reach groups. > Replying > > to both doesn't do any harm. > > I'd like to discourage posting through the google group please. > I didn't know any of the following info, so if you can help to setup this correctly - it will be appreciated. > Messages from the "pypi" group appear to come from that group, so > replying to them sends the message to that group. Which most (all, at > the moment) aren't subscribed to, so it bounces. So you have to > manually modify the "to" header when replying. > Are you sure about that? From http://mail.python.org/pipermail/catalog-sig/2011-June/003795.html I see only my own address. Can you send me the email with all headers? > And one of the catalog-sig moderators has to approve each message > unless you're subscribed to the list. Which (speaking as one of thetwo > moderators) if you're going to be posting often, is a little rude. > I didn't know this. It is not said that the list is moderated at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig so I assumed it is free for all. BTW, the group address is subscribed to the list, so the messages should not end in moderation queue if they are coming from the group's address as you mentioned in the previous paragraph. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at python.org Fri Jun 24 01:47:51 2011 From: richard at python.org (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:47:51 +1000 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Google Groups Mirror In-Reply-To: <5917311.2068.1308847304175.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbre5> References: <5917311.2068.1308847304175.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbre5> Message-ID: On 24 June 2011 02:41, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:49:21 AM UTC+3, Richard Jones wrote: >> On 23 June 2011 09:14, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> > You can reply only to catalog-sig and the mail will reach groups. >> > Replying >> > to both doesn't do any harm. >> >> I'd like to discourage posting through the google group please. > > I didn't know any of the following info, so if you can help to setup this > correctly - it will be appreciated. Sorry, I can't help. >> Messages from the "pypi" group appear to come from that group, so >> replying to them sends the message to that group. Which most (all, at >> the moment) aren't subscribed to, so it bounces. So you have to >> manually modify the "to" header when replying. > > Are you sure about that? > From?http://mail.python.org/pipermail/catalog-sig/2011-June/003795.html?I > see only my own address. Can?you send me the email with all headers? The From: header is your adddress. The reply-to is the google group. The only mention catalog-sig gets is a bunch of List-* headers and an X-BeenThere. >> And one of the catalog-sig moderators has to approve each message >> unless you're subscribed to the list. Which (speaking as one of thetwo >> moderators) if you're going to be posting often, is a little rude. > > I didn't know this.?It is not said that the list is moderated at > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig?so I assumed it is free > for all. BTW, the group address is subscribed to the list, so the messages > should not end in moderation queue if they are coming from the group's > address as you mentioned in the previous paragraph. No, since the From: header is your personal address. Richard From techtonik at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 20:57:20 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:57:20 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition Message-ID: Hi, Mailman <-> Google Groups integration doesn't work well, so I'm sending mails directly as requested. I often search for packages like 'soap' and open a lot of tabs. It is impossible to navigate this mess, because all tabs are named like "Python Package Index : package name" and 'package name' is of course invisible. The obvious way to fix this is below (with full patch attached). Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt =================================================================== - + <title tal:content="string:${data/title} : Python Package Index" /> However, it changes URL for all pages, which may be not what is desired. Any ideas how to make it only for package description pages in TAL? Here comes the second question. Considering that I have an idea how to do this in Django and: 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL 2. people are unlikely to learn another language for PyPI 3. Django templates are used in AppEngine port 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful Will people here support migrating existing PyPI templates to Django? I guess the process can be made more fun with incremental update. However, I don't know if Django template engine can be separately installed even though App Engine SDK supports this. I've heard that Jinja2 is compatible option, so it can also be used instead. -- anatoly t. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: package.names.first.patch Type: application/octet-stream Size: 860 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/catalog-sig/attachments/20110629/bd0203be/attachment.obj> From chris at simplistix.co.uk Wed Jun 29 21:25:34 2011 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 20:25:34 +0100 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: > 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. > 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful That's just plain wrong. > Will people here support migrating existing PyPI templates to Django? -1 from me. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From techtonik at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 23:46:01 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:46:01 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote: > On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL > > That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. Some proof from my side. http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22tal+templates%22%2C+%22django+templates%22 Your turn. >> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful > > That's just plain wrong. Ok. Then answer the original question. How to override html title attribute for a subset of PyPI pages? >> Will people here support migrating existing PyPI templates to Django? > > -1 from me. Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? -- anatoly t. From chris at simplistix.co.uk Wed Jun 29 23:54:39 2011 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:54:39 +0100 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> On 29/06/2011 22:46, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Chris Withers<chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote: >> On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>> >>> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >> >> That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. > > Some proof from my side. > http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22tal+templates%22%2C+%22django+templates%22 > Your turn. Pointless posturing. Google trends don't provide a way to accurately compare the usage of two templating languages. The whole Plone community uses TAL, not to mention the rest of the Zope world, all the people who use chameleon or one of the other python TAL implementations, not to mention the TAL implementations in other languages such as Java and PHP. >>> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful >> >> That's just plain wrong. > > Ok. Then answer the original question. How to override html title > attribute for a subset of PyPI pages? The root template is likely a macro template, if it hasn't been designed to allow customising on a per-page basis, you'd need to modify it: <title metal:define-slot="title"... Then in the specific template, fill that slot: <title metal:fill-slot="title"... > Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? Absolutely not. > Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? +0. I'm in favour of mirrors, how those mirrors are implemented I don't really care, as long as the http api they expose is consistent and, more importantly, provided the tools around (ie: setuptools) use them. If that last issue isn't solved, mirrors are cute and maybe useful in emergencies where you're prepared to go and manually download packages, but otherwise they're essentially useless. cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From pydanny at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 00:00:16 2011 From: pydanny at gmail.com (Daniel Greenfeld) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:00:16 -0700 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <BANLkTinUqCn_1MKpD3wqLOx+FneVaQQKVA@mail.gmail.com> I'm just going to have to +1,000,000 Chris Withers on everything he says here. I see ABSOLUTELY no reason to redo PyPI just because of one person doesn't like how titles and urls are done. I'm also really leery about hosting it on GAE. That locks PyPI into one vendor and a proprietary toolset. The inner workings of GAE are the domain of Google and I would like to think that the main package repo for Python be 100% open source. FWIW, Anatoly, there are numerous PyPI clones in Django already. You are smart. Why not use http://djangopackages.com/packages/p/chishop/ or one of its forks. Then alter it to suit your needs. Daniel Greenfeld On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote: > On 29/06/2011 22:46, anatoly techtonik wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Chris Withers<chris at simplistix.co.uk> >> ?wrote: >>> >>> On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>>> >>>> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >>> >>> That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. >> >> Some proof from my side. >> >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22tal+templates%22%2C+%22django+templates%22 >> Your turn. > > Pointless posturing. > Google trends don't provide a way to accurately compare the usage of two > templating languages. The whole Plone community uses TAL, not to mention the > rest of the Zope world, all the people who use chameleon or one of the other > python TAL implementations, not to mention the TAL implementations in other > languages such as Java and PHP. > >>>> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful >>> >>> That's just plain wrong. >> >> Ok. Then answer the original question. How to override html title >> attribute for a subset of PyPI pages? > > The root template is likely a macro template, if it hasn't been designed to > allow customising on a per-page basis, you'd need to modify it: > > <title metal:define-slot="title"... > > Then in the specific template, fill that slot: > > <title metal:fill-slot="title"... > >> Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? > > Absolutely not. > >> Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? > > +0. > > I'm in favour of mirrors, how those mirrors are implemented I don't really > care, as long as the http api they expose is consistent and, more > importantly, provided the tools around (ie: setuptools) use them. > > If that last issue isn't solved, mirrors are cute and maybe useful in > emergencies where you're prepared to go and manually download packages, but > otherwise they're essentially useless. > > cheers, > > Chris > > -- > Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting > ? ? ? ? ? - http://www.simplistix.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > Catalog-SIG mailing list > Catalog-SIG at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig > -- 'Knowledge is Power' Daniel Greenfeld http://pydanny.blogspot.com http://cartwheelweb.com From ben+python at benfinney.id.au Thu Jun 30 01:53:16 2011 From: ben+python at benfinney.id.au (Ben Finney) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 09:53:16 +1000 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87zkl0kxeb.fsf@benfinney.id.au> anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> writes: > Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? I don't know why that's a personal question. ?1 on any move to move PyPI away from technologies controlled by the community. We don't need to increase vendor lock-in for critical infrastructure. > Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? I don't know of any good coherent definition of such a thing, so I don't know what an answer would mean. -- \ ?Whenever you read a good book, it's like the author is right | `\ there, in the room talking to you, which is why I don't like to | _o__) read good books.? ?Jack Handey | Ben Finney From merwok at netwok.org Thu Jun 30 16:02:16 2011 From: merwok at netwok.org (=?UTF-8?B?w4lyaWMgQXJhdWpv?=) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:02:16 +0200 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Page titles In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E0C81E8.9020101@netwok.org> Hi, > I often search for packages like 'soap' and open a lot of tabs. It is > impossible to navigate this mess, because all tabs are named like > "Python Package Index : package name" and 'package name' is of course > invisible. The obvious way to fix this is below (with full patch > attached). > > Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt > =================================================================== > - <title tal:content="string:Python Package Index : ${data/title}" /> > + <title tal:content="string:${data/title} : Python Package Index" /> Agreed about the bug and fix, only I?d use a ? character, not a semicolon. It?s a good practice on the Web to put the generic part of the title after the specific part. > However, it changes URL for all pages, which may be not what is > desired. Does it really change URIs? I thought this was about titles only. Regards From fdrake at acm.org Thu Jun 30 16:54:14 2011 From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:54:14 -0400 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTinL+25RteQH1ByiKvVT7_3H_U9CEA@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: > Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt > =================================================================== > - ? ? ?<title tal:content="string:Python Package Index : ${data/title}" /> > + ? ? ?<title tal:content="string:${data/title} : Python Package Index" /> This patch is good. > However, it changes URL for all pages, which may be not what is > desired. Any ideas how to make it only for package description pages > in TAL? It does not affect the URLs, only the page titles. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.? ? <fdrake at acm.org> "Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities." ?? --Frank Lloyd Wright From fdrake at acm.org Thu Jun 30 16:59:45 2011 From: fdrake at acm.org (Fred Drake) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:59:45 -0400 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tal to Django/Jinja transition Message-ID: <BANLkTi=k_UKrBehvAuY9N-Jqk-dQi6rY9A@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: > Here comes the second question. Considering that I have an idea how to > do this in Django and: > 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL > 2. people are unlikely to learn another language for PyPI > 3. Django templates are used in AppEngine port > 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful Some may consider me biased with respect to ZPT, but I think I can be reasonable. Having recently looked at Django templating language (via Jinja2), I found the language to be more confusing. I'm not generally a fan of template languages (though I concede that they're useful, and use ZPT regularly), the set of assumptions that seem present in the Django language revives my wariness and mistrust of templating. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr.? ? <fdrake at acm.org> "Give me the luxuries of life and I will willingly do without the necessities." ?? --Frank Lloyd Wright From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:10:52 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:10:52 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=k_UKrBehvAuY9N-Jqk-dQi6rY9A@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTi=k_UKrBehvAuY9N-Jqk-dQi6rY9A@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=VYwkZM0_UwaSVq8YKX7skbbJDFQ@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Fred Drake <fdrake at acm.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: >> Here comes the second question. Considering that I have an idea how to >> do this in Django and: >> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >> 2. people are unlikely to learn another language for PyPI >> 3. Django templates are used in AppEngine port >> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful > > Some may consider me biased with respect to ZPT, but I think I can be > reasonable. > > Having recently looked at Django templating language (via Jinja2), I found > the language to be more confusing. ?I'm not generally a fan of template > languages (though I concede that they're useful, and use ZPT regularly), > the set of assumptions that seem present in the Django language revives my > wariness and mistrust of templating. We are all technical people here. I learned Django templating, because I have to patch Rietveld. I tried to learn TAL to patch Roundup, but couldn't find a sane reference, so I learned by example, but still can't find a way how to patch PyPI for my simple use case. Django docs are much better in this respect. So, as we are all technical people here, do you have any specific critics towards one approach or another, so I can at least get an idea why people like TAL and may prefer it over Django given equal familiarity and experience in both languages? -- anatoly t. From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:13:40 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:13:40 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinL+25RteQH1ByiKvVT7_3H_U9CEA@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <BANLkTinL+25RteQH1ByiKvVT7_3H_U9CEA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTinDhyqk+KPjyJf4GvdzO+=PnfODcg@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Fred Drake <fdrake at acm.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: >> Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt >> =================================================================== >> - ? ? ?<title tal:content="string:Python Package Index : ${data/title}" /> >> + ? ? ?<title tal:content="string:${data/title} : Python Package Index" /> > > This patch is good. > >> However, it changes URL for all pages, which may be not what is >> desired. Any ideas how to make it only for package description pages >> in TAL? > > It does not affect the URLs, only the page titles. Yes, sorry, I meant Titles, not URLS. -- anatoly t. From benji at benjiyork.com Thu Jun 30 18:26:27 2011 From: benji at benjiyork.com (Benji York) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 11:26:27 -0500 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=VYwkZM0_UwaSVq8YKX7skbbJDFQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTi=k_UKrBehvAuY9N-Jqk-dQi6rY9A@mail.gmail.com> <BANLkTi=VYwkZM0_UwaSVq8YKX7skbbJDFQ@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=B0FdJm5Ry--SWTwmhd572VnxwtA@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Fred Drake <fdrake at acm.org> wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, anatoly techtonik <techtonik at gmail.com> wrote: >>> Here comes the second question. Considering that I have an idea how to >>> do this in Django and: >>> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >>> 2. people are unlikely to learn another language for PyPI >>> 3. Django templates are used in AppEngine port >>> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful >> >> Some may consider me biased with respect to ZPT, but I think I can be >> reasonable. >> >> Having recently looked at Django templating language (via Jinja2), I found >> the language to be more confusing. ?I'm not generally a fan of template >> languages (though I concede that they're useful, and use ZPT regularly), >> the set of assumptions that seem present in the Django language revives my >> wariness and mistrust of templating. > > We are all technical people here. I learned Django templating, because > I have to patch Rietveld. I tried to learn TAL to patch Roundup, but > couldn't find a sane reference, so I learned by example, but still > can't find a way how to patch PyPI for my simple use case. Django docs > are much better in this respect. When I have questions I use the TAL, TALES, and METAL specs: http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/TALSpecification14 http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/TALESSpecification13 http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/METALSpecification11 > So, as we are all technical people here, do you have any specific > critics towards one approach or another, so I can at least get an idea > why people like TAL and may prefer it over Django given equal > familiarity and experience in both languages? I've never used the Django template language so my perspective is limited. I like ZPT (Zope Page Templates, the combination of TAL, TALES, and METAL) because it is simple and well defined. I'd actually like it if it did even less (e.g., not have the ability to include Python expressions). I suspect I'm in the minority there. -- Benji York From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:43:10 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:43:10 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <BANLkTi=9T9heOxcDv2sNAdijT2yoP_tvsw@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 29/06/2011 19:57, anatoly techtonik wrote: >>>> >>>> 1. more users are familiar with Django templates than with TAL >>> >>> That an interesting and probably incorrect assertion. >> >> Some proof from my side. >> >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22tal+templates%22%2C+%22django+templates%22 >> Your turn. > > Pointless posturing. > Google trends don't provide a way to accurately compare the usage of two > templating languages. The whole Plone community uses TAL, not to mention the > rest of the Zope world, all the people who use chameleon or one of the other > python TAL implementations, not to mention the TAL implementations in other > languages such as Java and PHP. I don't know the size of these communities. Never tried to use Plone. I guess that's because it is GPL, and the only site I know that uses it is stackless.com, which is in a rather poor condition. Zope doesn't sounds good if pronounced in Russian, but I guess the license limitation (obligatory doc writing) was a primary concern too. >>>> 4. Django templates seems way more simple and no less powerful >>> >>> That's just plain wrong. >> >> Ok. Then answer the original question. How to override html title >> attribute for a subset of PyPI pages? > > The root template is likely a macro template, if it hasn't been designed to > allow customising on a per-page basis, you'd need to modify it: > > <title metal:define-slot="title"... > > Then in the specific template, fill that slot: > > <title metal:fill-slot="title"... Thanks. It doesn't seem right to include <title> tag in display.pt that doesn't have head section at all, so I've inserted <metal:fill fill-slot="title"... Will the new patch work ok? (attached) >> Ok. Personal question then - do you support moving PyPI to App Engine? > > Absolutely not. > >> Do you support moving PyPI to other cloud platform? > > +0. > > I'm in favour of mirrors, how those mirrors are implemented I don't really > care, as long as the http api they expose is consistent and, more > importantly, provided the tools around (ie: setuptools) use them. > > If that last issue isn't solved, mirrors are cute and maybe useful in > emergencies where you're prepared to go and manually download packages, but > otherwise they're essentially useless. Sounds reasonable. But increased availability, security and DoS protection with mirrors is gained at a cost of administration hassle, and server stuff is something nobody wants to deal with, because these problems are truly endless. -- anatoly t. -------------- next part -------------- Index: pypi/templates/display.pt =================================================================== --- pypi/templates/display.pt (revision 925) +++ pypi/templates/display.pt (working copy) @@ -4,6 +4,8 @@ xmlns:metal="http://xml.zope.org/namespaces/metal" metal:use-macro="standard_template/macros/page"> +<metal:fill fill-slot="title" tal:content="string:${data/name} ${data/version}: Python Package Index" /> + <metal:fill fill-slot="head"> <meta tal:condition="data/release/keywords | nothing" name="keywords" Index: pypi/templates/standard_template.pt =================================================================== --- pypi/templates/standard_template.pt (revision 925) +++ pypi/templates/standard_template.pt (working copy) @@ -8,7 +8,7 @@ <META NAME="ROBOTS" CONTENT="NOINDEX,NOFOLLOW" tal:condition="data/norobots"/> <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="content-type" /> <base tal:attributes="href data/FULL_PATH_INFO"/> - <title tal:content="string:Python Package Index : ${data/title}" /> + <title metal:define-slot="title" tal:content="Python Package Index : string:${data/title}" /> <meta tal:attributes="content data/keywords" /> <meta tal:attributes="content data/description" /> <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS: 30 latest updates" href="http://www.python.org/pypi?:action=rss"/> Index: pypi/webui.py =================================================================== --- pypi/webui.py (revision 925) +++ pypi/webui.py (working copy) @@ -1348,7 +1348,6 @@ name=name, version=version, release=release, description=release.get('summary') or name, keywords=release.get('keywords', ''), - title=name + " " +version, requires=values('requires'), provides=values('provides'), obsoletes=values('obsoletes'), From techtonik at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 19:26:57 2011 From: techtonik at gmail.com (anatoly techtonik) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:26:57 +0300 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Tab Title customization and Tal to Django/Jinja transition In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinUqCn_1MKpD3wqLOx+FneVaQQKVA@mail.gmail.com> References: <BANLkTik5PURsjjufC+VdL2zgiCOKobA=Nw@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B7C2E.502@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinwxB__n6qcuYibaivXsVi3HGGS5w@mail.gmail.com> <4E0B9F1F.8060209@simplistix.co.uk> <BANLkTinUqCn_1MKpD3wqLOx+FneVaQQKVA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BANLkTinZwCitHLnAHDXLvy=qTWqTA0zsjA@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Daniel Greenfeld <pydanny at gmail.com> wrote: > I'm just going to have to +1,000,000 Chris Withers on everything he says here. Chris, can you promise to give me +1$ if I buy you a beer? =) > I see ABSOLUTELY no reason to redo PyPI just because of one person > doesn't like how titles and urls are done. Me too. Redoing PyPI is ABSOLUTELY useless waste of time regardless of urls and titles. > I'm also really leery about hosting it on GAE. That locks PyPI into > one vendor and a proprietary toolset. The inner workings of GAE are > the domain of Google and I would like to think that the main package > repo for Python be 100% open source. The trick is make application that runs on GAE IN ADDITION to running standalone or on a separate own server. I've heard that it can be easily achieved with Django + django-nonrel, but I don't have experience. Maybe it will be necessary to switch to MongoDB from PostreSQL/MySQL. > FWIW, Anatoly, there are numerous PyPI clones in Django already. You > are smart. Why not use http://djangopackages.com/packages/p/chishop/ > or one of its forks. Then alter it to suit your needs. Alpha. No demo site. Two years without releases. But seems active. It would be extremely useful to see a comparison of these or at least a short review from those who are familiar with http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyPiImplementations And the main problem that I am forced to use PyPI, because it is the only server where people can find and download my released packages. -- anatoly t.