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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/catalog-sig/attachments/20050308/b1d04461/attachment.html From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Mar 10 22:45:40 2005 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu Mar 10 22:45:32 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Re: [chiPy] pypi In-Reply-To: <694c06d605031013164c1c1ef7@mail.gmail.com> References: <694c06d605030707321512aa9c@mail.gmail.com> <16940.44642.39904.390611@montanaro.dyndns.org> <422CBBE4.5080106@gmail.com> <200503101328.47297.chipy@holovaty.com> <20050310205516.GA27674@furrr.two14.net> <694c06d605031013164c1c1ef7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4230C004.8090705@colorstudy.com> Brant Harris wrote: > Weren't we going to discuss PyPI over at catalog-sig? Not like I > care, I'm good with whateva'. I was going to write up something specific to what we've done, but I haven't. But what they hey, I'll just copy this over; this is all in reference to code we (ChiPy people) have in an svn repository: http://lonelylion.com/chipy/pypi/ -- I started moving things to ZPT templates, Brian Ray started documenting the database and building some tools around it (I'm not 100% clear there), and several people have added an xmlrpc interface to build a command-line client, which is what the rest of Brant's email involves... > I had some ideas for the PyPI client package... Here's the basic API > layout idea. Just brainstorming, really. Everything would sit in the > pypi module, or perhaps pypi.client: > > def search(*args, **kw): > """ > Return a list of packages with the first argument as a search string. > Specific attributes can be searched with keyword arguments. > """ > > def install(package, silently=0): > """ > Downloads a package and then runs "setup.py build" and "setup.py > install" on the > sucker. > The would do so without outputing any info, so that a > module could do > it... well silently. > """ > > def update(package, silently=0): > """Updates the package...""" > > def download(package, path, silently=0): > """Downloads a package to the given path.""" > > def info(package): > """Returns a string with the information for the package well formated.""" > > def docs(package): > """Returns the document string for the package, or maybe even more?""" > > #And then what if there was an ability to svn in and out right within > the package index? > class svn: > def co(package, path): > """Checks out a package to the path indicated.""" From ianb at colorstudy.com Mon Mar 14 09:02:36 2005 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Mon Mar 14 09:02:21 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI WSGI frontend Message-ID: <4235451C.3060608@colorstudy.com> I implemented PyPI as a WSGI application. It's fairly trivial, and doesn't effect anything except pypi.cgi (actually doesn't effect that file, but is an alternative to that code). The WSGI version is here: http://lonelylion.com/chipy/pypi/pypi_wsgi.py And the CGI version I based it on (only slightly different from CVS): http://lonelylion.com/chipy/pypi/pypi_cgi.py I'm not 100% sure if PyPI is threadsafe, or serves multiple requests from a single process properly, but I haven't seen anything that would make me expect a problem. So this should be sufficient to get it to run under mod_python or Twisted or whatever. -- Ian Bicking / ianb@colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org From richardjones at optushome.com.au Tue Mar 15 09:34:37 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Tue Mar 15 09:34:49 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI WSGI frontend In-Reply-To: <4235451C.3060608@colorstudy.com> References: <4235451C.3060608@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <200503151934.40975.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 07:02 pm, Ian Bicking wrote: > I implemented PyPI as a WSGI application. Now I need to read up on WSGI :) Knowing nothing about it, does creosote have WSGI support? > I'm not 100% sure if PyPI is threadsafe I believe it is as long as the sqlite build is threadsafe. One thing I will try to achieve during the pre-PyCon sprinting is migrating to PostgreSQL (since the psql database is already set up and waiting). Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCNp4grGisBEHG6TARAmJTAKCFRvnvADHiu0FwqXcbbfecDnDd8gCfev3R iT8VoNEjnGmXIkgtUkpaTyA= =OhQU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From richardjones at optushome.com.au Tue Mar 15 09:37:37 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Tue Mar 15 09:37:44 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Re: [chiPy] pypi In-Reply-To: <4230C004.8090705@colorstudy.com> References: <694c06d605030707321512aa9c@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d605031013164c1c1ef7@mail.gmail.com> <4230C004.8090705@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <200503151937.37393.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:45 am, Ian Bicking wrote: > I was going to write up something specific to what we've done, but I > haven't. I read your weblog entry - it was enlightening :) > But what they hey, I'll just copy this over; this is all in > reference to code we (ChiPy people) have in an svn repository: > http://lonelylion.com/chipy/pypi/ I should have given you lot access to the CVS repo. Sorry about that oversight. > I started moving things to ZPT templates, Brian Ray started > documenting the database and building some tools around it (I'm not 100% > clear there), Sounds interesting. > and several people have added an xmlrpc interface to build > a command-line client, which is what the rest of Brant's email involves... > > I had some ideas for the PyPI client package... Here's the basic API > > layout idea. Just brainstorming, really. Everything would sit in the > > pypi module, or perhaps pypi.client: > [snip] I guess this is what I'll be looking at as part of the sprint. I've still got a fair amount of reviewing to do of messages to this SIG though. Hopefully I'll find some time on Thursday, otherwise I'll be doing it during the Sprint :( Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCNp7RrGisBEHG6TARAtArAJ45ZkBNBXKZ0d/AwCEyU+yehDNYuQCePz+j JvN/+Plsq5lstBka4i2zA+k= =cBII -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bray at sent.com Tue Mar 15 15:59:53 2005 From: bray at sent.com (bray@sent.com) Date: Tue Mar 15 16:00:00 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI WSGI frontend In-Reply-To: <200503151934.40975.richardjones@optushome.com.au> References: <4235451C.3060608@colorstudy.com> <200503151934.40975.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <1110898793.14162.218371379@webmail.messagingengine.com> > I believe it is as long as the sqlite build is threadsafe. One thing I > will > try to achieve during the pre-PyCon sprinting is migrating to PostgreSQL > (since the psql database is already set up and waiting). > I started taking a look at converting to postgresql, although I did not commit anything. During the ChiPy spring a seperated the sql. This should run fine on postgres, although I did not test. Are you thinking of using psycopg or something else? From ehs at pobox.com Tue Mar 15 16:39:04 2005 From: ehs at pobox.com (Ed Summers) Date: Tue Mar 15 16:39:08 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Re: [chiPy] pypi In-Reply-To: <200503151937.37393.richardjones@optushome.com.au> References: <694c06d605030707321512aa9c@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d605031013164c1c1ef7@mail.gmail.com> <4230C004.8090705@colorstudy.com> <200503151937.37393.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20050315153904.GA23821@chloe.inkdroid.org> On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:37:37PM +1100, Richard Jones wrote: > I guess this is what I'll be looking at as part of the sprint. I've still got > a fair amount of reviewing to do of messages to this SIG though. Hopefully > I'll find some time on Thursday, otherwise I'll be doing it during the > Sprint :( I take it the sprint is scheduled for PyCon? Any chance those who can't make it could participate in irc? Re: a convo we were having over on chipy which we've moved onto catalog-sig: I integrated the stuff from xmlrpc.py and moved into rpc.py, and adjusted the pypi cmd line utility appropriately...and then removed the unused stuff :) //Ed From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 17:40:00 2005 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Tue Mar 15 17:40:20 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Re: [chiPy] pypi In-Reply-To: <20050315153904.GA23821@chloe.inkdroid.org> References: <694c06d605030707321512aa9c@mail.gmail.com> <694c06d605031013164c1c1ef7@mail.gmail.com> <4230C004.8090705@colorstudy.com> <200503151937.37393.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <20050315153904.GA23821@chloe.inkdroid.org> Message-ID: <3096c19d0503150840630a7205@mail.gmail.com> > I take it the sprint is scheduled for PyCon? Any chance those who can't > make it could participate in irc? I'd be interested in this too. Chris From richardjones at optushome.com.au Thu Mar 17 02:48:48 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Thu Mar 17 02:48:53 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Re: [chiPy] pypi In-Reply-To: <20050315153904.GA23821@chloe.inkdroid.org> References: <694c06d605030707321512aa9c@mail.gmail.com> <200503151937.37393.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <20050315153904.GA23821@chloe.inkdroid.org> Message-ID: <200503171248.48143.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:39 am, Ed Summers wrote: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 07:37:37PM +1100, Richard Jones wrote: > > I guess this is what I'll be looking at as part of the sprint. I've still > > got a fair amount of reviewing to do of messages to this SIG though. > > Hopefully I'll find some time on Thursday, otherwise I'll be doing it > > during the Sprint :( > > I take it the sprint is scheduled for PyCon? Any chance those who can't > make it could participate in irc? Sure, if I can get organised enough to get the IRC going :) > Re: a convo we were having over on chipy which we've moved onto > catalog-sig: I integrated the stuff from xmlrpc.py and moved into > rpc.py, and adjusted the pypi cmd line utility appropriately...and then > removed the unused stuff :) Cool. Is this going into that svn repository? Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCOOIArGisBEHG6TARAlEWAJ9ywE8FTMbolCb8hudtJjf7dy8TKQCghSn6 QmDfXiQPGktvRNrV6SMluIQ= =gS4n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From richardjones at optushome.com.au Thu Mar 17 02:50:20 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Thu Mar 17 02:50:25 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI WSGI frontend In-Reply-To: <1110898793.14162.218371379@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4235451C.3060608@colorstudy.com> <200503151934.40975.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <1110898793.14162.218371379@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <200503171250.20568.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:59 am, bray@sent.com wrote: > I started taking a look at converting to postgresql, although I did not > commit anything. During the ChiPy spring a seperated the sql. This > should run fine on postgres, although I did not test. Is this checked into that svn repository? > Are you thinking of using psycopg or something else? I'm familiar with psycopg and it's installed on creosote, so I'd say that's the winner :) Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCOOJcrGisBEHG6TARAgeCAJ9WWhMlcau63sD0DFSrZpVhIfZjTACbBcFY W2EDCgF+aTHKMhC2iykvwxg= =wJdi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ehs at pobox.com Thu Mar 17 03:02:58 2005 From: ehs at pobox.com (Ed Summers) Date: Thu Mar 17 03:03:00 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Re: [chiPy] pypi In-Reply-To: <200503171248.48143.richardjones@optushome.com.au> References: <694c06d605030707321512aa9c@mail.gmail.com> <200503151937.37393.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <20050315153904.GA23821@chloe.inkdroid.org> <200503171248.48143.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20050317020258.GB30177@chloe.inkdroid.org> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 12:48:48PM +1100, Richard Jones wrote: > Cool. Is this going into that svn repository? Yeah, you can see our experiments here: svn co http://www.lonelylion.com/chipy/pypi //Ed From amk at amk.ca Sat Mar 19 18:45:01 2005 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Sat Mar 19 18:45:55 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyPI sprint Message-ID: <20050319174501.GA8868@rogue.amk.ca> The PyPI sprint is now underway. Join us in #pycon on irc.freenode.net if you're interested. --amk From tinuviel at sparcs.kaist.ac.kr Tue Mar 29 17:06:58 2005 From: tinuviel at sparcs.kaist.ac.kr (Seo Sanghyeon) Date: Tue Mar 29 17:07:02 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated Message-ID: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> Hello, comp.lang.python, and catalog-sig, Some of you may remember my mail with the very same subject last year. :-) I have continued to maintain the table, and here's the updated result: http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/pypackage/list.cgi 304 Python projects indexed, with links to PyPI, FreeBSD port, Debian deb, Gentoo ebuild, NetBSD pkgsrc, and Fink. Now I am thinking about adding the version tracking. What do you think? If you have any suggestion, correction or omission, please mail me! P.S. I'm not subscribed. Please CC. Seo Sanghyeon From ianb at colorstudy.com Tue Mar 29 18:57:39 2005 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Tue Mar 29 18:58:29 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> Message-ID: <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> Seo Sanghyeon wrote: > Hello, comp.lang.python, and catalog-sig, > > Some of you may remember my mail with the very same subject > last year. :-) I have continued to maintain the table, and here's > the updated result: > > http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/pypackage/list.cgi > > 304 Python projects indexed, with links to PyPI, FreeBSD port, > Debian deb, Gentoo ebuild, NetBSD pkgsrc, and Fink. Wow, PyPI has really bad support. We should really start bugging authors to register their packages. I think Richard Jones was also thinking about quarterly postings to python-announce to remind people of PyPI's existance. -- Ian Bicking / ianb@colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org From retardcat at crispymail.com Tue Mar 29 20:15:14 2005 From: retardcat at crispymail.com (Josh) Date: Tue Mar 29 20:20:24 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] compiler Message-ID: <42499B32.8080203@crispymail.com> dose anyone no of a good DOS based python compiler must be free From richard at commonground.com.au Wed Mar 30 00:00:29 2005 From: richard at commonground.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Wed Mar 30 00:00:33 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> On 29/03/2005, at 8:57 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Seo Sanghyeon wrote: >> Hello, comp.lang.python, and catalog-sig, >> Some of you may remember my mail with the very same subject >> last year. :-) I have continued to maintain the table, and here's >> the updated result: >> http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/pypackage/list.cgi >> 304 Python projects indexed, with links to PyPI, FreeBSD port, >> Debian deb, Gentoo ebuild, NetBSD pkgsrc, and Fink. > > Wow, PyPI has really bad support. We should really start bugging > authors to register their packages. I think Richard Jones was also > thinking about quarterly postings to python-announce to remind people > of PyPI's existance. Yeah. Hell, the actual file upload stuff hasn't been announced. There's been mutterings that PyPI could use a better name, and I was going to wait until that had been settled before I made a formal announcement. PyPI is just too anonymous and is also too easy to confuse with PyPy. I've never been particularly happy with the name. So, any suggestions for a new name? Richard From deadwisdom at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 00:39:00 2005 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brant Harris) Date: Wed Mar 30 00:39:02 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> Message-ID: <694c06d6050329143991f48a9@mail.gmail.com> You know it's really too bad that "spam" is a computer term already. I like this game, but my only current suggestion is: ZooPy > PyPI is just too anonymous and is also too easy to confuse with PyPy. > I've never been particularly happy with the name. > > So, any suggestions for a new name? From richard at commonground.com.au Wed Mar 30 01:11:33 2005 From: richard at commonground.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Wed Mar 30 01:11:38 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <694c06d6050329143991f48a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> <694c06d6050329143991f48a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 29/03/2005, at 2:39 PM, Brant Harris wrote: > You know it's really too bad that "spam" is a computer term already. Maybe we could try to reclaim it? :) Richard From trentm at ActiveState.com Wed Mar 30 01:56:00 2005 From: trentm at ActiveState.com (Trent Mick) Date: Wed Mar 30 02:00:34 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <694c06d6050329143991f48a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> <694c06d6050329143991f48a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050329235559.GA21419@ActiveState.com> [Brant Harris wrote] > You know it's really too bad that "spam" is a computer term already. How about "ham", then? :) Trent -- Trent Mick TrentM@ActiveState.com From barry at python.org Wed Mar 30 02:04:59 2005 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed Mar 30 02:05:02 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> Message-ID: <1112141098.17491.388.camel@geddy.wooz.org> On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 17:00, Richard Jones wrote: > Yeah. Hell, the actual file upload stuff hasn't been announced. There's > been mutterings that PyPI could use a better name, and I was going to > wait until that had been settled before I made a formal announcement. > > PyPI is just too anonymous and is also too easy to confuse with PyPy. > I've never been particularly happy with the name. > > So, any suggestions for a new name? "Cheese Shop" came to me late at night over the weekend. I know it sucks, but it's Pythonic. :) I've got the two volume scripts books at home so I'll pour through it and see if I can come up with something less sucky. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So if a package happens to be missing from the catalog, the catalog maintainer can always claim the cat ate it. ;) Steve From bob at redivi.com Wed Mar 30 03:23:18 2005 From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito) Date: Wed Mar 30 03:23:30 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <4249FDAB.1020103@comcast.net> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> <1112141098.17491.388.camel@geddy.wooz.org> <4249FDAB.1020103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> On Mar 29, 2005, at 8:15 PM, Stephen Waterbury wrote: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> PyPI is just too anonymous and is also too easy to confuse with >>> PyPy. I've never been particularly happy with the name. >>> >>> So, any suggestions for a new name? >> "Cheese Shop" came to me late at night over the weekend. I know it >> sucks, but it's Pythonic. :) ... > > I like it! So if a package happens to be missing from the > catalog, the catalog maintainer can always claim the cat ate it. ;) Something a little more "professional" might be nice for some people.. though personally I don't have that constraint, I've seen a lot of people whine about such things on lists. The only two things that bother me about PyPI are the non-obvious pronunciation (I also had no clue that WSGI sounded like "whiskey" either, until I heard PJE talk about it) and the fact that "I" and "l" look so similar in most fonts (esp. those you'd see in a web browser). versiontracker.com is a popular site to find Mac OS X software, and pythontracker.* seems to be available (though the name is a bit long, and such a derivative name is a cop out). Something with eggs might make sense once PJE and I wrap up bdist_egg and friends, though that would be for binaries :) Unfortunately, SpamAndEggs.* are taken. -bob From fdrake at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 04:59:01 2005 From: fdrake at gmail.com (Fred Drake) Date: Wed Mar 30 04:59:05 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <42498903.1000500@colorstudy.com> <11f60e941837abd81eadcca01628c61c@commonground.com.au> <1112141098.17491.388.camel@geddy.wooz.org> <4249FDAB.1020103@comcast.net> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> Message-ID: <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:23:18 -0500, Bob Ippolito wrote: > Something with eggs might make sense once PJE and I wrap up bdist_egg > and friends, though that would be for binaries :) Unfortunately, > SpamAndEggs.* are taken. eggcrate.(net/org) is available, though eggcrate.com is not. -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. Zope Corporation From richardjones at optushome.com.au Wed Mar 30 06:17:30 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Wed Mar 30 06:17:42 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <4249FDAB.1020103@comcast.net> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> Message-ID: <200503301417.30644.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:23 am, Bob Ippolito wrote: > The only two things that bother me about PyPI are the non-obvious > pronunciation (I also had no clue that WSGI sounded like "whiskey" > either, until I heard PJE talk about it) and the fact that "I" and "l" > look so similar in most fonts (esp. those you'd see in a web browser). Humorously, when I talked to my wife about this this morning, she also confused the I for an l ;) Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCSiharGisBEHG6TARAiBAAJ43G9C4+lwGL6GvJj9t7LLnYLAGegCfZgqD gLefH42t+s+LILLTqcy4qyU= =q2eC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From richardjones at optushome.com.au Wed Mar 30 06:42:54 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Wed Mar 30 06:42:58 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] PyCon sprint report Message-ID: <200503301442.54341.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [this also appears at http://www.python.org/moin/DistutilsSprint] Some projects which saw progress during the sprint included: - - The implementation of PEP 314: Metadata for Python Software Packages v1.1 should be complete; someone who isn't involved in the implementation should review what's in CVS and check it against the PEP. Work performed at the sprint included supporting the provides, requires, and obsoletes metadata fields in both the distutils package and in PyPI. The work was performed by FredDrake, RichardJones, and AndyHarrington. There may be some untracked changes in AndrewKuchling's draft of PEP 314; these should also be checked (also, the catalog-sig archives). FredDrake believes that there are still some glaringly obvious metadata fields missing, necessitating a further revision of the package metadata specification. - - RichardJones migrated the database away from the single-user sqlite database to a multi-user postgres one. - - RichardJones and MartinvonLoewis worked on implementing PEP 243: Module Repository Upload Mechanism, supporting a package repository as part of PyPI. There are revisions needed to PEP 243 which haven't been written yet (mostly to do with cleaning up the use of the HTTP spec). FredDrake thinks he uploaded the first package into the live repository, a tarball containing ZConfig 2.2. Richard implemented the changes to the PyPI application, and Martin added an upload command to the distutils package to make it easy to add files from a command line. Uploads may also have an accompanying MD5 (for simple validation) and OpenPGP signature. - - AndrewKuchling integrated work done to add XML-RPC support based on efforts from the ChiPy sprint. See Ian Bicking's blog for more on the ChiPy work. - - RichardJones and MichaelTwomey integrated work started at the ChiPy sprint to convert the PyPI web interface to use ZopePageTemplates instead of hard-coded HTML in the Python code. This should make it a lot easier to keep the logic and presentation separate. "Unit" tests using Selenium were also developed. - - JohnCamara worked on some distutils bugs, and also implemented the ReStructuredText formatting of description fields. DavidGoodger implemented a couple of safety switches in docutils allowing us to turn off the "raw" and "include" directives. At a separate table in the other sprint room, this suggested topic was addressed: - - Phillip Eby brought up the idea of application plugins; it would be really nice to see this happen. He and Bob Ippolito have some design notes and Bob Ippolito has begun an implementation of the runtime. In addition to plugins, this "Python Egg" format should be useful for distributing libraries and building applications (via py2exe/py2app) as well. The following topics had been suggested, but were not discussed during the [PyConDC2005/Sprints]: - - Installing large applications; see Fred's post to the Distutils-SIG for more on this topic. - - Defining a way to define new classes of files that can be installed. Zope 3 would like this for the "package-includes" files we use; it's likely generally useful. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCSi5OrGisBEHG6TARAuyxAJ9l2ZeAoSOqUL6xn4araGi6aFudhgCeM3MD bgatiY3ZIr2+9ulIO2Eg3EQ= =Y45N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From richardjones at optushome.com.au Wed Mar 30 07:02:14 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Wed Mar 30 07:02:28 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:59 pm, Fred Drake wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:23:18 -0500, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > Something with eggs might make sense once PJE and I wrap up bdist_egg > > and friends, though that would be for binaries :) Unfortunately, > > SpamAndEggs.* are taken. > > eggcrate.(net/org) is available, though eggcrate.com is not. Do we need a domain name? Also, is anyone actively on python-list at the moment? Would you like to start a thread there? ("If Python had a CPAN, what would you call it?") Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCSjLWrGisBEHG6TARAvzqAJ0WfaIalCD9xHP5YqsuGLLAkrddJwCeNRxw DmHpbtNgZFRL6+JM4oj+UMM= =L/ws -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tripp at perspex.com Wed Mar 30 07:15:10 2005 From: tripp at perspex.com (Tripp Lilley) Date: Wed Mar 30 07:15:42 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Richard Jones wrote: > Also, is anyone actively on python-list at the moment? Would you like to start > a thread there? ("If Python had a CPAN, what would you call it?") PyCAN. Python Comprehensive Archive Network. From bob at redivi.com Wed Mar 30 07:50:45 2005 From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito) Date: Wed Mar 30 07:50:51 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <71869347dab3ee0bf9b597ec2b230ed5@redivi.com> On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:02 AM, Richard Jones wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:59 pm, Fred Drake wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:23:18 -0500, Bob Ippolito >> wrote: >>> Something with eggs might make sense once PJE and I wrap up bdist_egg >>> and friends, though that would be for binaries :) Unfortunately, >>> SpamAndEggs.* are taken. >> >> eggcrate.(net/org) is available, though eggcrate.com is not. > > Do we need a domain name? > > Also, is anyone actively on python-list at the moment? Would you like > to start > a thread there? ("If Python had a CPAN, what would you call it?") Domain names get mad google juice, if nothing else... -bob From bob at redivi.com Wed Mar 30 07:58:52 2005 From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito) Date: Wed Mar 30 07:58:59 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <09cecd7a64698187e9c963cb1f518b86@redivi.com> On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:15 AM, Tripp Lilley wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Richard Jones wrote: > >> Also, is anyone actively on python-list at the moment? Would you like >> to start >> a thread there? ("If Python had a CPAN, what would you call it?") > > PyCAN. Python Comprehensive Archive Network. Boring! Ruby has the Garden, and PHP has PEAR.. I don't think we need to follow after Perl here. -bob From richardjones at optushome.com.au Wed Mar 30 07:59:09 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Wed Mar 30 07:59:16 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <71869347dab3ee0bf9b597ec2b230ed5@redivi.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <71869347dab3ee0bf9b597ec2b230ed5@redivi.com> Message-ID: <200503301559.09874.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:50 pm, Bob Ippolito wrote: > Domain names get mad google juice, if nothing else... Yep - I guess a lot depends on what people are searching for. If they type "python eggs" then the Python Eggs page will get the #1 match regardless of the domain it's at. Especially if the domain name is "eggbasket" :) I was sitting in the Lightning Talks session in which Holger was talking about rlcompleter2, and Michael Twomey said "what's the URL?" and typed "rlcompleter2" into google. The second hit was for: http://www.python.org/pypi/rlcompleter2/0.94 which is a URL that *didn't exist* until a couple of days earlier. Google likes that URL (and the page layout includes a useful title and heading, which helps a lot too). That's pretty cool, and kudos to Martin for implementing it :) Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCSkAtrGisBEHG6TARAoF6AJ9VpjUg4qAjnCtmMswb9AspWbZ3FgCfdQL0 AyguXXTrRpZkpT5epZBP1V0= =tkh7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ianb at colorstudy.com Wed Mar 30 08:15:33 2005 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Wed Mar 30 08:15:22 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <71869347dab3ee0bf9b597ec2b230ed5@redivi.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <71869347dab3ee0bf9b597ec2b230ed5@redivi.com> Message-ID: <424A4405.400@colorstudy.com> Bob Ippolito wrote: >> Do we need a domain name? >> >> Also, is anyone actively on python-list at the moment? Would you like >> to start >> a thread there? ("If Python had a CPAN, what would you call it?") > > > Domain names get mad google juice, if nothing else... But python.org is already drowning in its own google juice. And we (the Python language) already have all top 16 entries before a Monty Python page comes up -- adding another entry won't change anything. I think python.org/pypi is high ranked by association, and something to stick with (well, /whatever, but under python.org or maybe a subdomain). -- Ian Bicking / ianb@colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org From bob at redivi.com Wed Mar 30 08:22:30 2005 From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito) Date: Wed Mar 30 08:22:36 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <424A4405.400@colorstudy.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <71869347dab3ee0bf9b597ec2b230ed5@redivi.com> <424A4405.400@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <577fd34f4825fd9a36ede96037510edd@redivi.com> On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:15 AM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: >>> Do we need a domain name? >>> >>> Also, is anyone actively on python-list at the moment? Would you >>> like to start >>> a thread there? ("If Python had a CPAN, what would you call it?") >> Domain names get mad google juice, if nothing else... > > But python.org is already drowning in its own google juice. And we > (the Python language) already have all top 16 entries before a Monty > Python page comes up -- adding another entry won't change anything. I > think python.org/pypi is high ranked by association, and something to > stick with (well, /whatever, but under python.org or maybe a > subdomain). While that's true, domains are better. Specifically, pypi.python.org would be better, because you can use the site: operator. Thats why we have a docs.python.org. "numeric site:python.org" doesn't provide the results you want, and "numeric site:python.org/pypi" doesn't provide any. -bob From richardjones at optushome.com.au Wed Mar 30 08:24:24 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Wed Mar 30 08:24:29 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <09cecd7a64698187e9c963cb1f518b86@redivi.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <09cecd7a64698187e9c963cb1f518b86@redivi.com> Message-ID: <200503301624.25018.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:58 pm, Bob Ippolito wrote: > On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:15 AM, Tripp Lilley wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Richard Jones wrote: > >> Also, is anyone actively on python-list at the moment? Would you like > >> to start > >> a thread there? ("If Python had a CPAN, what would you call it?") > > > > PyCAN. Python Comprehensive Archive Network. > > Boring! Ruby has the Garden, and PHP has PEAR.. I don't think we need > to follow after Perl here. My sentiments too. Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCSkYYrGisBEHG6TARAs57AJ94EXtVdqFyIIkqAyC1N0yYu9i8cACeONVd isCgft2yl1EdJQPOMFtaOIw= =g8LJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bob at redivi.com Wed Mar 30 08:24:49 2005 From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito) Date: Wed Mar 30 08:24:54 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <200503301559.09874.richardjones@optushome.com.au> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <71869347dab3ee0bf9b597ec2b230ed5@redivi.com> <200503301559.09874.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:59 AM, Richard Jones wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:50 pm, Bob Ippolito wrote: >> Domain names get mad google juice, if nothing else... > > Yep - I guess a lot depends on what people are searching for. If they > type > "python eggs" then the Python Eggs page will get the #1 match > regardless of > the domain it's at. Especially if the domain name is "eggbasket" :) While that is most certainly true, part of the selection process for the name egg was *because* we knew google juice would flow easily... If you search the #peak IRC logs, you'll probably find the discussion in there :) -bob From ehs at pobox.com Wed Mar 30 08:52:37 2005 From: ehs at pobox.com (Ed Summers) Date: Wed Mar 30 08:52:40 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20050330065237.GB23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> Not to be stubborn but I kinda like PyPI. It has always reminded me of Pythagoras and 22/7 which seemed appropriate given python's use in scientific circles. The math symbol could actually make a nice part of a logo. You've probably looked already as well but pypi.org is taken--however there's nothing there so maybe it's "available". Make him an offer he can't refuse, etc... Another random idea: pyfiles. //Ed -- Computers are useless--all they can give you are answers. [Pablo Picasso] From deadwisdom at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 17:30:34 2005 From: deadwisdom at gmail.com (Brant Harris) Date: Wed Mar 30 17:30:36 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Re: [chiPy] Ian and David In-Reply-To: <424A67D7.6030802@gmail.com> References: <40CDB1CA.7060504@one4graphics.com> <11621.65.173.228.59.1087224751.squirrel@cotton.lonelylion.com> <40CDCC87.9040704@colorstudy.com> <424A67D7.6030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <694c06d6050330073060ed932e@mail.gmail.com> Very Interesting. It strikes me that a ranking system within PyPi would help alleviate this problem of "too many choices" of frameworks. With a ranking system, clear winners would emerge that would attract support and concentrate resources. On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:48:23 -0600, Daniel Delapava wrote: > Have fun... > > http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000432.html > > - Daniel > _______________________________________________ > chiPy mailing list > chiPy@lonelylion.com > http://lonelylion.com/mailman/listinfo/chipy > From ehs at pobox.com Wed Mar 30 23:12:21 2005 From: ehs at pobox.com (Ed Summers) Date: Wed Mar 30 23:12:24 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20050330211221.GF23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> Well, I'm late in catching up with what python eggs actually are. Now that I know what they are, I like the idea of "eggcrate" a lot. I agree keeping it in the python.org domain could serve as a subliminal stamp of approval. eggcrate.python.org, or even better (I think): eggs.python.org Only downside is that eggs are fragile and break easily...as opposed to gems. //Ed From bob at redivi.com Wed Mar 30 23:15:38 2005 From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito) Date: Wed Mar 30 23:15:46 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <20050330211221.GF23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <20050330211221.GF23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> Message-ID: <7a51076f98e158a7ccde3aaf31d0148d@redivi.com> On Mar 30, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Ed Summers wrote: > Well, I'm late in catching up with what python eggs actually are. > > Now that I know what they are, I like the idea of "eggcrate" a > lot. I agree keeping it in the python.org domain could serve as a > subliminal stamp of approval. > > eggcrate.python.org, > > or even better (I think): > > eggs.python.org > > Only downside is that eggs are fragile and break easily...as opposed to > gems. Well, they *are* binary packages (even for pure python, they can include bytecode) -- and no snakes that I know of lay gems :) -bob From mcfletch at rogers.com Wed Mar 30 23:24:43 2005 From: mcfletch at rogers.com (Mike C. Fletcher) Date: Wed Mar 30 23:54:06 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <20050330211221.GF23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <20050330211221.GF23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> Message-ID: <424B191B.4000307@rogers.com> How about: Omnivorous as the name and: omni.python.org as the domain. I know, I know, no punny connection, but it would seem to me to better link to the idea of collecting (eating) everything that's out there, extending Python to be able to consume whatever protocol, data format, platform, etceteras with which you are presented. Just a thought, Mike Ed Summers wrote: >Well, I'm late in catching up with what python eggs actually are. > >Now that I know what they are, I like the idea of "eggcrate" a >lot. I agree keeping it in the python.org domain could serve as a >subliminal stamp of approval. > > eggcrate.python.org, > >or even better (I think): > > eggs.python.org > >Only downside is that eggs are fragile and break easily...as opposed to >gems. > >//Ed >_______________________________________________ >Catalog-sig mailing list >Catalog-sig@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig > > > -- ________________________________________________ Mike C. Fletcher Designer, VR Plumber, Coder http://www.vrplumber.com http://blog.vrplumber.com From ianb at colorstudy.com Thu Mar 31 00:18:32 2005 From: ianb at colorstudy.com (Ian Bicking) Date: Thu Mar 31 00:19:26 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <20050330211221.GF23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <20050330211221.GF23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> Message-ID: <424B25B8.5080704@colorstudy.com> Ed Summers wrote: > Well, I'm late in catching up with what python eggs actually are. > > Now that I know what they are, I like the idea of "eggcrate" a > lot. I agree keeping it in the python.org domain could serve as a > subliminal stamp of approval. > > eggcrate.python.org, > > or even better (I think): > > eggs.python.org > > Only downside is that eggs are fragile and break easily...as opposed to > gems. I like the name, but if someone uploads tarballs will it seem out of place? Of course, while some eggs hatch cute little chicks, people who find their eggs hatching little pythons are usually not so amused... http://www.sthlm-herp.net/galleri/galleri_800/pyt_reg_800.html This guy is kind of cute though... http://www.vpi.com/5VPIBreeders/GreenTreePython/GreenTreePython.htm Or we can give a bad-ass feel to the site, eating all our competitors... http://www.barefootbushman.com/images/water_python_eating_egg.jpg But when you get down to it Monte Python is a lot less creepy than actual Pythons. -- Ian Bicking / ianb@colorstudy.com / http://blog.ianbicking.org From hpk at trillke.net Thu Mar 31 00:29:40 2005 From: hpk at trillke.net (holger krekel) Date: Thu Mar 31 00:29:42 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] download statistics / naming Message-ID: <20050330222940.GP23818@solar.trillke.net> hi folks, i am wondering if there are download statistics for packages downloaded through PyPI? If not, then it would be a great feature IMHO. cheers, holger P.S.: On the naming front, i actually like the suggestion of PYCAN a lot. It has a number of useful connotations like CPAN, can of snakes, the prefix PY signalling python stuff, and the statement "Python is able to" etc.pp. Whatever name you choose, i recommend to fix it ASAP. I have just written an article for a 50000 readers magazine (about Pycon) which is going to have PyPI mentioned and i expect the mindshare for the project to increase in general due to the new facilities ... From richardjones at optushome.com.au Thu Mar 31 02:49:20 2005 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Thu Mar 31 02:49:24 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] download statistics / naming In-Reply-To: <20050330222940.GP23818@solar.trillke.net> References: <20050330222940.GP23818@solar.trillke.net> Message-ID: <200503311049.20230.richardjones@optushome.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:29 am, holger krekel wrote: > i am wondering if there are download statistics > for packages downloaded through PyPI? I guess we could use the apache logs for this - though we won't catch FTP accesses. > If not, then it would be a great feature IMHO. I agree. > P.S.: On the naming front, i actually like the suggestion > of PYCAN a lot. It has a number of useful connotations > like CPAN, can of snakes, the prefix PY signalling python > stuff, and the statement "Python is able to" etc.pp. Yeah, I just can't shake off the "me too"-ness of the "..AN" part. Ho hum. I also kinda like the idea of an obscure, and hence memorable name. Shtoom - now that's memorable (or is it only memorable because it's a friend's project?) Shrubbery would be memorable, I think. It's long though. > Whatever name you choose, i recommend to fix it ASAP. > I have just written an article for a 50000 readers > magazine (about Pycon) which is going to have > PyPI mentioned and i expect the mindshare for the > project to increase in general due to the new > facilities ... What's the actual deadline for this? Richard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCS0kQrGisBEHG6TARAgkjAJ4qPTFn69ebdrC7XZwgxRbXpCfSQQCfcML7 IFcc/oBUzZn743CjcSeVNoo= =KrYk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From trentm at ActiveState.com Thu Mar 31 03:11:35 2005 From: trentm at ActiveState.com (Trent Mick) Date: Thu Mar 31 03:15:54 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] download statistics / naming In-Reply-To: <200503311049.20230.richardjones@optushome.com.au> References: <20050330222940.GP23818@solar.trillke.net> <200503311049.20230.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20050331011135.GA24576@ActiveState.com> [Richard Jones wrote] > Shrubbery would be memorable, I think. It's long though. That is one thing that I don't so much like about "eggcrate". It is long and a left-hand finger-twister on the keyboard. Another idea: snakeden (or just "den"?) I love the little animated GIF on this page with the snake peeking out of its hole. :) http://www.sdsnake.com/SnDen.htm It is easier to type that "eggcrate" and isn't particular to the egg package format (which someone brought up might be confusing). Like "eggcrate" it connotes containment. There is no "den" command on the PATH on a few computers that I checked (linux, windows, hpux, aix, solaris). A quick google search didn't turn up any conflicts with other projects that I could see. Just an idea. I don't care strongly. Trent -- Trent Mick TrentM@ActiveState.com From bob at redivi.com Thu Mar 31 00:49:30 2005 From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito) Date: Thu Mar 31 03:50:38 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] Table of Python Packages, updated In-Reply-To: <424B25B8.5080704@colorstudy.com> References: <20050329150658.GA846@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr> <00c167d83cc16b7b2cf53f0dbe99104b@redivi.com> <9cee7ab805032918593b30443f@mail.gmail.com> <200503301502.14450.richardjones@optushome.com.au> <20050330211221.GF23853@chloe.inkdroid.org> <424B25B8.5080704@colorstudy.com> Message-ID: <911d4b843686faf498f8c1c3a8c6ac41@redivi.com> On Mar 30, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: > Ed Summers wrote: >> Well, I'm late in catching up with what python eggs actually are. >> Now that I know what they are, I like the idea of "eggcrate" a >> lot. I agree keeping it in the python.org domain could serve as a >> subliminal stamp of approval. eggcrate.python.org, or >> even better (I think): >> eggs.python.org Only downside is that eggs are fragile and break >> easily...as opposed to >> gems. > > I like the name, but if someone uploads tarballs will it seem out of > place? Hopefully people will be uploading eggs and source tarballs. The eggs will eventually be what most people use and care about. > Of course, while some eggs hatch cute little chicks, people who find > their eggs hatching little pythons are usually not so amused... > http://www.sthlm-herp.net/galleri/galleri_800/pyt_reg_800.html > > This guy is kind of cute though... > http://www.vpi.com/5VPIBreeders/GreenTreePython/GreenTreePython.htm > > Or we can give a bad-ass feel to the site, eating all our > competitors... > http://www.barefootbushman.com/images/water_python_eating_egg.jpg > > But when you get down to it Monte Python is a lot less creepy than > actual Pythons. Which also works, because of Eggs and SPAM. -bob From hpk at trillke.net Thu Mar 31 12:32:26 2005 From: hpk at trillke.net (holger krekel) Date: Thu Mar 31 12:32:29 2005 Subject: [Catalog-sig] download statistics / naming In-Reply-To: <200503311049.20230.richardjones@optushome.com.au> References: <20050330222940.GP23818@solar.trillke.net> <200503311049.20230.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <20050331103226.GQ23818@solar.trillke.net> Hi Richard, On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 10:49 +1000, Richard Jones wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:29 am, holger krekel wrote: > > i am wondering if there are download statistics > > for packages downloaded through PyPI? > > I guess we could use the apache logs for this - though we won't catch FTP > accesses. yes, catching http accesses seems good enough especially since the ftp access isn't really advertised (rightfully so). > > Whatever name you choose, i recommend to fix it ASAP. > > I have just written an article for a 50000 readers > > magazine (about Pycon) which is going to have > > PyPI mentioned and i expect the mindshare for the > > project to increase in general due to the new > > facilities ... > > What's the actual deadline for this? in three weeks i think. but don't worry. It is not an article about PyPI by itself but about Pycon and it mentions PyPI as a highlight of the sprints. It would just generally be nice to spread the "correct" name ... cheers, holger