[Baypiggies] [JOB] Software Engineer, Cloud Fabric Team, Nimbula Inc.
jim
jim at well.com
Fri Jul 2 19:12:57 CEST 2010
probably good to bear in mind that every company
is a combination of people, each with a particular
mindset, and all with the problem of communication
and coordination.
the political structure of the company may have
someone controlling hiring messages using some well-
intentioned but unwise criteria; it seems likely
that the hiring managers would have a variety of
"takes" on who'd be acceptable--weighted toward
practical, get-it-done values.
from an applicant's point of view, does an
application really get screened with respect to
the criteria of the writer and is there a way to
end-run directly to the hiring managers.
i'm particularly interested in the latter idea.
tho'ts?
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 23:40 -0700, Jeff Enderwick wrote:
> Maybe it was a carefully crafted test to see if job seekers without CS
> degrees were sharp enough to surmise that equivalent knowledge would
> be likely acceptable. Very smart; effectively implementing a filter by
> *not* adding Aahz' missing text (I smell a business process patent for
> that HR manager!) ;-).
>
>
> In my very limited experience, hiring managers don't spend the time to
> engineer these requirements to such a degree. If you see a job posting
> that you like then you just go for it. If they're smart, then they
> hire you anyway. If they're stiff, then you are likely better off not
> being there.
>
>
> I may have a skewed sample set, but it seems that every (non-goog?)
> job solicitation posted to this list gets the crap beat out of it,
> with the biggest magnet being that series of Chomp postings (okay, I
> admit it - I took part in those :-). In all seriousness, these may be
> good companies/people trying to hire? $.02...
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Alex Martelli <aleax at google.com>
> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Jeff Enderwick
> <jeff.enderwick at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Aahz,
> > I wouldn't make the leap from not being lawyerly about the
> job requirements
> > to not being able to write correct code! I think all of us
> who read it (even
> > those who don't have CS sheepskin) realized that equivalent
> knowledge would
> > likely be gladly accepted in lieu. Finding great people is
> so hard! Anyone
> > who is overly strict on that sort of requirement is sure to
> suffer.
>
>
> If they're serious about this hiring and its importance, and
> if you're
> right that what they say is A MUST (*VERY* strong wording!) is
> not
> indeed a must, they're pretty weird people -- why did they
> deliberately choose that (you assume incorrect) wording?!. By
> far the
> most common wording includes, as Aahz mentioned, "or
> equivalent
> experience", after all -- IF, that is, one IS willing to
> evaluate
> candidates with a different degree but lots of experience.
>
> I'm saying they "deliberately chose" that
> odious-to-all-other-degree-holders wording, because of the
> assumption
> that they ARE serious about the importance of this hire, and
> therefore
> must have given it all due care and attention. If they
> *accidentally*
> pick wrong (and odious;-) wording DESPITE paying very careful
> attention to what they're saying (because they consider this
> hire
> important), then they're even weirder than I hypothesized
> above.
>
> All in all, I think that your assumption that they don't
> really mean
> what they say (despite saying it with so precise and forceful
> a choice
> of words), one way or another, has to be extremely insulting
> to them
> -- even more than I would like to be, and that's saying
> something;-).
>
>
> Alex
>
>
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