From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 06:06:55 2010
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan Chakravarthy)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:36:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Bangalore Facebook Developers
Message-ID: <a803558d1001312106r10bb5404v3af665e3b40f35f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

We are planning to organize Facebook developers meet in Bangalore
every month on 4th sunday. If you are interested in participating
please join

http://groups.google.com/group/bangalore-facebook-developers
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=292286422291

Regards
Deepan

+91 9945702482
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 09:02:22 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 13:32:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pointers on where to try for internships
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References: <3f347f5c1001310024u599e20a8ofc2c525d0e59ac17@mail.gmail.com>
	<7ECAA22F-B8CB-473C-9296-331082C4EFA4@btbytes.com>
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On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:

> Any mentor on this list ?
> I for sure is trying, it'l be python but havn't decided on organization
> yet.
>
>
GSoC 2010 process has started. Read this thread at http://bit.ly/cbcqHu .
I am planning to be a mentor this time, but not decided on a project yet.


> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you considered google summer of code. G soc attracts very good
> mentors
> > across the python ecosphere.
> >
> > +pg
> > Sent from my iPhone.
> >
> >
>


-- 
--Anand

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Feb  1 11:38:05 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:08:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31001302343n749c4bf6v93330fe19a4b5dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D563@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>> As Noufal said, don't become a language  specialist, as that amounts
to limiting yourself too much  upfront. .
I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this
point

>>>.In my experience, companies prefer  well-skilled generalists than
deeply skilled specialists, unless  one is an ultimate genius in what he
does and irreplacable.
This point also, because i want to be  a python,c#  specialist.Your
answer help me a great deal.Please clarify.

Thanks AB.

Regards,
~ Srini T



From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 11:58:04 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:28:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D563@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <8548c5f31001302343n749c4bf6v93330fe19a4b5dbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D563@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002010258u62fbe774kf1923f1fe36094c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> >> As Noufal said, don't become a language  specialist, as that amounts
> to limiting yourself too much  upfront. .
> I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this
> point
>

 In a gist, let us say you decide to be a Python specialist and focus
only on Python. However as you go along, you will find that Python
has borrowed many concepts from other languages and from generic
CS patterns, so it is not an island. For example, you will find that
generators are specialized co-routines and you might find yourself
checking out similar concepts in other languages like erlang/haskell
or even Java. No programming language is an island and every
advanced feature of any programming language will be present
in other languages - perhaps under other names. So instead of
becoming a Python specialist, if you try and expand your knowledge
of programming languages as a whole, it will help you to pick
up any language as you progress, since you can quickly grasp
the underlying patterns.

For example, OOP. If you have learned OOP in C++, then it is
the same concept carried through in Java, Python everywhere, except
that the details differ. If you however compartmentalize your
language learnings, you might fail to recognize common features
across languages and this can impair your learning in the long term
and make you, well a lesser programmer.

 That is the academic aspect of it. The more pragmatic aspect
is that if you limit yourselves, you are excluding your chance of
working in projects that require multiple skills say C/Python or
Java/Python. That is what I meant by being a multi-skilled generalist
 than a deeply skilled specialist - so this answers the question below
 also, I hope.


>
> >>>.In my experience, companies prefer  well-skilled generalists than
> deeply skilled specialists, unless  one is an ultimate genius in what he
> does and irreplacable.
> This point also, because i want to be  a python,c#  specialist.Your
> answer help me a great deal.Please clarify.
>
> Thanks AB.
>
> Regards,
> ~ Srini T
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Feb  1 11:55:11 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:25:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31002010258u62fbe774kf1923f1fe36094c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D569@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

Thanks a lot....
 


Regards,
~ Srini T

-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org
[mailto:bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.o
rg] On Behalf Of Anand Balachandran Pillai
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:28 PM
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> >> As Noufal said, don't become a language  specialist, as that 
> >> amounts
> to limiting yourself too much  upfront. .
> I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this 
> point
>

 In a gist, let us say you decide to be a Python specialist and focus
only on Python. However as you go along, you will find that Python has
borrowed many concepts from other languages and from generic CS
patterns, so it is not an island. For example, you will find that
generators are specialized co-routines and you might find yourself
checking out similar concepts in other languages like erlang/haskell or
even Java. No programming language is an island and every advanced
feature of any programming language will be present in other languages -
perhaps under other names. So instead of becoming a Python specialist,
if you try and expand your knowledge of programming languages as a
whole, it will help you to pick up any language as you progress, since
you can quickly grasp the underlying patterns.

For example, OOP. If you have learned OOP in C++, then it is the same
concept carried through in Java, Python everywhere, except that the
details differ. If you however compartmentalize your language learnings,
you might fail to recognize common features across languages and this
can impair your learning in the long term and make you, well a lesser
programmer.

 That is the academic aspect of it. The more pragmatic aspect is that if
you limit yourselves, you are excluding your chance of working in
projects that require multiple skills say C/Python or Java/Python. That
is what I meant by being a multi-skilled generalist  than a deeply
skilled specialist - so this answers the question below  also, I hope.


>
> >>>.In my experience, companies prefer  well-skilled generalists than
> deeply skilled specialists, unless  one is an ultimate genius in what 
> he does and irreplacable.
> This point also, because i want to be  a python,c#  specialist.Your 
> answer help me a great deal.Please clarify.
>
> Thanks AB.
>
> Regards,
> ~ Srini T
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



--
--Anand
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

From pasokan at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 12:13:15 2010
From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:43:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D569@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <8548c5f31002010258u62fbe774kf1923f1fe36094c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D569@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <5de036dc1002010313se674410w46c070efa39aabb6@mail.gmail.com>

Let me use one

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
>> >> As Noufal said, don't become a language ?specialist, as that
>> >> amounts
>> to limiting yourself too much ?upfront. .
>> I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this
>> point
>>

Let me use an analogy--a favourite of mine. Let us say there is a
two-wheeler  mechanic.
He puts up a board, "I am the best expert in using the monkey wrench.
I fix any problem
in a two-wheeler using nothing but my trusted monkey wrench".

Would you use his services?

Programming languages are tools. It is okay to have favourites. It is
a given that each
language is good in a set of areas. It is also agreed that you can do
better with a
language you know well, than with a language you dont know well, even
for problems
unsuited for your favourite language.

But they are still tools. So develop an expertise in two wheelers not
monkey wrenches.

HTH and all the best

-- 
Asokan Pichai
*-------------------*
We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 12:13:20 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:43:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D569@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <8548c5f31002010258u62fbe774kf1923f1fe36094c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D569@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002010313r4c858918w1709c6db18495dd6@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> Thanks a lot....
>

Just to clarify what I meant by a deeply skilled specialist who is a genius,
you are better off becoming such a genius in a domain, rather than
in a programming language. Because at the end of the day, programming
languages are nothing but tools to get the job at hand, done.

In the general population there can be very few geniuses in
programming languages, but invariably they are also good in
what they do, i.e domain - Paul Graham, the lisp guru is an
example that immediately comes to mind.

That is not to say that you shouldn't learn a language well - do
so by all means, but develop your skills in a few domains also,
otherwise you might end up as the specialist in search for work
similar to a solution in search of a problem...




>
>
> Regards,
> ~ Srini T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org
> [mailto:bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy<bangpypers-bounces%2Bsrinivas_thatiparthy>
> =akebonosoft.com at python.o
> rg] On Behalf Of Anand Balachandran Pillai
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:28 PM
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
> > >> As Noufal said, don't become a language  specialist, as that
> > >> amounts
> > to limiting yourself too much  upfront. .
> > I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this
> > point
> >
>
>  In a gist, let us say you decide to be a Python specialist and focus
> only on Python. However as you go along, you will find that Python has
> borrowed many concepts from other languages and from generic CS
> patterns, so it is not an island. For example, you will find that
> generators are specialized co-routines and you might find yourself
> checking out similar concepts in other languages like erlang/haskell or
> even Java. No programming language is an island and every advanced
> feature of any programming language will be present in other languages -
> perhaps under other names. So instead of becoming a Python specialist,
> if you try and expand your knowledge of programming languages as a
> whole, it will help you to pick up any language as you progress, since
> you can quickly grasp the underlying patterns.
>
> For example, OOP. If you have learned OOP in C++, then it is the same
> concept carried through in Java, Python everywhere, except that the
> details differ. If you however compartmentalize your language learnings,
> you might fail to recognize common features across languages and this
> can impair your learning in the long term and make you, well a lesser
> programmer.
>
>  That is the academic aspect of it. The more pragmatic aspect is that if
> you limit yourselves, you are excluding your chance of working in
> projects that require multiple skills say C/Python or Java/Python. That
> is what I meant by being a multi-skilled generalist  than a deeply
> skilled specialist - so this answers the question below  also, I hope.
>
>
> >
> > >>>.In my experience, companies prefer  well-skilled generalists than
> > deeply skilled specialists, unless  one is an ultimate genius in what
> > he does and irreplacable.
> > This point also, because i want to be  a python,c#  specialist.Your
> > answer help me a great deal.Please clarify.
> >
> > Thanks AB.
> >
> > Regards,
> > ~ Srini T
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From rmathews at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 12:13:41 2010
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:43:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D563@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <8548c5f31001302343n749c4bf6v93330fe19a4b5dbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D563@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2781002010313p4424ea6fp58e2887f4641dd21@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 16:08, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>>> As Noufal said, don't become a language ?specialist, as that amounts
> to limiting yourself too much ?upfront. .
> I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this
> point
>
>>>>.In my experience, companies prefer ?well-skilled generalists than
> deeply skilled specialists, unless ?one is an ultimate genius in what he
> does and irreplacable.
> This point also, because i want to be ?a python,c# ?specialist.Your
> answer help me a great deal.Please clarify.
>

I came across this recently: http://nathanmarz.com/blog/john-mccarthy/

Might be relevant to the "don't be a language lawyer" advice.  :)

Roshan Mathews

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Feb  1 12:22:57 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 16:52:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <5de036dc1002010313se674410w46c070efa39aabb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D57A@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

OMG! This is the best of piece of advice I have ever got.
Thanks a lot to  Roshan,Asokan( you r an IIT prof,right? [If my memory is correct].If so,I still remember your grey hair Jokes :) , No offence ) .




Regards,
~ Srini T

-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org [mailto:bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Asokan Pichai
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:43 PM
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers

Let me use one

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy < 
> srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
>> >> As Noufal said, don't become a language ?specialist, as that 
>> >> amounts
>> to limiting yourself too much ?upfront. .
>> I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this 
>> point
>>

Let me use an analogy--a favourite of mine. Let us say there is a two-wheeler  mechanic.
He puts up a board, "I am the best expert in using the monkey wrench.
I fix any problem
in a two-wheeler using nothing but my trusted monkey wrench".

Would you use his services?

Programming languages are tools. It is okay to have favourites. It is a given that each language is good in a set of areas. It is also agreed that you can do better with a language you know well, than with a language you dont know well, even for problems unsuited for your favourite language.

But they are still tools. So develop an expertise in two wheelers not monkey wrenches.

HTH and all the best

--
Asokan Pichai
*-------------------*
We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) _______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 14:31:37 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 19:01:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D57A@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <5de036dc1002010313se674410w46c070efa39aabb6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D57A@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002010531r3cde8629o5411f7c84c37843e@mail.gmail.com>

freaking awesome and enlightening replies. Thanks.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> OMG! This is the best of piece of advice I have ever got.
> Thanks a lot to  Roshan,Asokan( you r an IIT prof,right? [If my memory is
> correct].If so,I still remember your grey hair Jokes :) , No offence ) .
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> ~ Srini T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org[mailto:
> bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy<bangpypers-bounces%2Bsrinivas_thatiparthy>
> =akebonosoft.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Asokan Pichai
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:43 PM
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
>
> Let me use one
>
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> > srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >> As Noufal said, don't become a language  specialist, as that
> >> >> amounts
> >> to limiting yourself too much  upfront. .
> >> I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this
> >> point
> >>
>
> Let me use an analogy--a favourite of mine. Let us say there is a
> two-wheeler  mechanic.
> He puts up a board, "I am the best expert in using the monkey wrench.
> I fix any problem
> in a two-wheeler using nothing but my trusted monkey wrench".
>
> Would you use his services?
>
> Programming languages are tools. It is okay to have favourites. It is a
> given that each language is good in a set of areas. It is also agreed that
> you can do better with a language you know well, than with a language you
> dont know well, even for problems unsuited for your favourite language.
>
> But they are still tools. So develop an expertise in two wheelers not
> monkey wrenches.
>
> HTH and all the best
>
> --
> Asokan Pichai
> *-------------------*
> We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 06:51:15 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:21:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mark Pilgrim on the setup
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com>

Not exactly Python related but I quite enjoyed Mark Pilgrims interview
on the setup http://mark.pilgrim.usesthis.com/ and he's as much of a
Pythonista as you can be.  A related pic from his is there over here
http://wearehugh.com/public/2010/01/the-setup.jpg

His insights about his dream machine are particularly relevant I thought.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From varunthacker at aol.in  Tue Feb  2 07:12:44 2010
From: varunthacker at aol.in (Varun Thacker)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 11:42:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mark Pilgrim on the setup
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice read.I want one too!

Which method is more productive?
Having multiple virtual desktops or having several monitors.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not exactly Python related but I quite enjoyed Mark Pilgrims interview
> on the setup http://mark.pilgrim.usesthis.com/ and he's as much of a
> Pythonista as you can be.  A related pic from his is there over here
> http://wearehugh.com/public/2010/01/the-setup.jpg
>
> His insights about his dream machine are particularly relevant I thought.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 


Regards,
Varun Thacker
http://varunthacker.wordpress.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 07:35:06 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:05:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mark Pilgrim on the setup
In-Reply-To: <3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002012235j7e0ce799ka7edc86eb810231d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Varun Thacker <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:
> Very nice read.I want one too!
>
> Which method is more productive?
> Having multiple virtual desktops or having several monitors.[..]

His setup is quite in contrast to Aaron Swartz's (whose interview is
also there on the site). He uses a single laptop and eschews multiple
monitors.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Tue Feb  2 07:38:14 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 01:38:14 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mark Pilgrim on the setup
In-Reply-To: <3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b71002012238h39021c61iff02fe05f362d595@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Varun Thacker <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:
> Very nice read.I want one too!
>
> Which method is more productive?
> Having multiple virtual desktops or having several monitors.

I use two monitors (21?x2, portrait)
with a tiling window manager (xmonad)
with a terminal multiplexer (tmux) for multiple+remote+ persistent sessions
with emacs.

Using xmonad + tmux has been the biggest boost to my productivity last year.

+PG

From varunthacker at aol.in  Tue Feb  2 08:44:54 2010
From: varunthacker at aol.in (Varun Thacker)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:14:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mark Pilgrim on the setup
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b71002012238h39021c61iff02fe05f362d595@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b71002012238h39021c61iff02fe05f362d595@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f347f5c1002012344x46629287k41a3db45551a3aaf@mail.gmail.com>

Check Richard Stallman's setup.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Varun Thacker <varunthacker at aol.in> wrote:
> > Very nice read.I want one too!
> >
> > Which method is more productive?
> > Having multiple virtual desktops or having several monitors.
>
> I use two monitors (21?x2, portrait)
> with a tiling window manager (xmonad)
> with a terminal multiplexer (tmux) for multiple+remote+ persistent sessions
> with emacs.
>
> Using xmonad + tmux has been the biggest boost to my productivity last
> year.
>
> +PG
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 


Regards,
Varun Thacker
http://varunthacker.wordpress.com

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 13:40:54 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:10:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002010531r3cde8629o5411f7c84c37843e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5de036dc1002010313se674410w46c070efa39aabb6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D57A@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> 
	<d4ab53de1002010531r3cde8629o5411f7c84c37843e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b481002020440q50717dc3ycbb3c9f00073b882@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Have you come across the fact that, choosing a language depends a lot on
what your current employer prefers. if the group decides on Java/C++/Python,
you have to work on Java/C++/Python for that matter...its not a choice that
you make...

Plus, one cannot move between projects, just to have a good hold on
different languages.

How should one go about getting knowledge of a few different languages when
their employers essentially use a certain development environment.

more often I think, people get married to domains and to the tools that
these domains demand.

What you say?

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:

> freaking awesome and enlightening replies. Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
> > OMG! This is the best of piece of advice I have ever got.
> > Thanks a lot to  Roshan,Asokan( you r an IIT prof,right? [If my memory is
> > correct].If so,I still remember your grey hair Jokes :) , No offence ) .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > ~ Srini T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org
> [mailto:
> >
> bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy<bangpypers-bounces%2Bsrinivas_thatiparthy>
> > =akebonosoft.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Asokan Pichai
> > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:43 PM
> > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
> >
> > Let me use one
> >
> > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> > > srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >> As Noufal said, don't become a language  specialist, as that
> > >> >> amounts
> > >> to limiting yourself too much  upfront. .
> > >> I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this
> > >> point
> > >>
> >
> > Let me use an analogy--a favourite of mine. Let us say there is a
> > two-wheeler  mechanic.
> > He puts up a board, "I am the best expert in using the monkey wrench.
> > I fix any problem
> > in a two-wheeler using nothing but my trusted monkey wrench".
> >
> > Would you use his services?
> >
> > Programming languages are tools. It is okay to have favourites. It is a
> > given that each language is good in a set of areas. It is also agreed
> that
> > you can do better with a language you know well, than with a language you
> > dont know well, even for problems unsuited for your favourite language.
> >
> > But they are still tools. So develop an expertise in two wheelers not
> > monkey wrenches.
> >
> > HTH and all the best
> >
> > --
> > Asokan Pichai
> > *-------------------*
> > We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 17:55:40 2010
From: nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com (nikunj badjatya)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 22:25:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b481002020440q50717dc3ycbb3c9f00073b882@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5de036dc1002010313se674410w46c070efa39aabb6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D57A@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> 
	<d4ab53de1002010531r3cde8629o5411f7c84c37843e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a13a3b481002020440q50717dc3ycbb3c9f00073b882@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f42f4d921002020855pf430845x1d88556773308422@mail.gmail.com>

Bunch of Thanks to all of you for your valuable comments.
Nikunj

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Have you come across the fact that, choosing a language depends a lot on
> what your current employer prefers. if the group decides on
> Java/C++/Python,
> you have to work on Java/C++/Python for that matter...its not a choice that
> you make...
>
> Plus, one cannot move between projects, just to have a good hold on
> different languages.
>
> How should one go about getting knowledge of a few different languages when
> their employers essentially use a certain development environment.
>
> more often I think, people get married to domains and to the tools that
> these domains demand.
>
> What you say?
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal Sapre
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > freaking awesome and enlightening replies. Thanks.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> > srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > OMG! This is the best of piece of advice I have ever got.
> > > Thanks a lot to  Roshan,Asokan( you r an IIT prof,right? [If my memory
> is
> > > correct].If so,I still remember your grey hair Jokes :) , No offence )
> .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > ~ Srini T
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com@
> python.org
> > [mailto:
> > >
> >
> bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy<bangpypers-bounces%2Bsrinivas_thatiparthy>
> > > =akebonosoft.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Asokan Pichai
> > > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:43 PM
> > > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> > > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Future of Python Programmers
> > >
> > > Let me use one
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> > > > srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >> As Noufal said, don't become a language  specialist, as that
> > > >> >> amounts
> > > >> to limiting yourself too much  upfront. .
> > > >> I didn't get this point. I would like to know.please clarify on this
> > > >> point
> > > >>
> > >
> > > Let me use an analogy--a favourite of mine. Let us say there is a
> > > two-wheeler  mechanic.
> > > He puts up a board, "I am the best expert in using the monkey wrench.
> > > I fix any problem
> > > in a two-wheeler using nothing but my trusted monkey wrench".
> > >
> > > Would you use his services?
> > >
> > > Programming languages are tools. It is okay to have favourites. It is a
> > > given that each language is good in a set of areas. It is also agreed
> > that
> > > you can do better with a language you know well, than with a language
> you
> > > dont know well, even for problems unsuited for your favourite language.
> > >
> > > But they are still tools. So develop an expertise in two wheelers not
> > > monkey wrenches.
> > >
> > > HTH and all the best
> > >
> > > --
> > > Asokan Pichai
> > > *-------------------*
> > > We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal Sapre
>
> ---
>
> "So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
> !!!"
> "A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
> Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
> "Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
> "May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
> forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anishk33 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 16:13:20 2010
From: anishk33 at gmail.com (Anish Kurian)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:43:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] chk this out!
Message-ID: <64b0aaab1002030713k322621c6k23afb8e829cba977@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.zideck.com/blog/article.php?id=5

<http://www.zideck.com/blog/article.php?id=5>Looking at python through java,
end up writing this..

-- 
aNish

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 16:37:53 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:07:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mark Pilgrim on the setup
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b71002012238h39021c61iff02fe05f362d595@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b71002012238h39021c61iff02fe05f362d595@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100203153753.GE13818@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:38:14AM -0500, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> Using xmonad + tmux has been the biggest boost to my productivity last year.

I found ratpoison and screen to the similar effect.
ratpoison helps you to concentrate on only thing at a time, which I
like to do. :)


-- 
Senthil
Computer programs expand so as to fill the core available.

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Feb  3 16:50:50 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:50:50 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mark Pilgrim on the setup
In-Reply-To: <20100203153753.GE13818@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
References: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b71002012238h39021c61iff02fe05f362d595@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100203153753.GE13818@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
Message-ID: <3e3294b71002030750x647a5e51x63646f6a460e28ef@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:38:14AM -0500, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
>> Using xmonad + tmux has been the biggest boost to my productivity last year.
>
> I found ratpoison and screen to the similar effect.
> ratpoison helps you to concentrate on only thing at a time, which I
> like to do. :)

The defining advantage of tmux over screen is it's ability to have split panes.
Which is very convenient for monitoring server logs and debug messages.

From gnuyoga at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 16:52:12 2010
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (Sreekanth B)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:22:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mark Pilgrim on the setup
In-Reply-To: <20100203153753.GE13818@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
References: <9963e56e1002012151s7f8908afg6e308e1d2cdbeb13@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3f347f5c1002012212s173dc820r4de6fa1910280cc8@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3e3294b71002012238h39021c61iff02fe05f362d595@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100203153753.GE13818@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
Message-ID: <db49484f1002030752g783b6f3w6c7980ac95e46305@mail.gmail.com>

hi

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 01:38:14AM -0500, Pradeep Gowda wrote:
> > Using xmonad + tmux has been the biggest boost to my productivity last
> year.
>
> I found ratpoison and screen to the similar effect.
> ratpoison helps you to concentrate on only thing at a time, which I
> like to do. :)
>
for me wmii (http://wmii.suckless.org/) does a good job and its
highly scriptable  (9p filesystem support)

no more unwanted distraction in screen :D

- sree

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 17:15:16 2010
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:45:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] chk this out!
In-Reply-To: <64b0aaab1002030713k322621c6k23afb8e829cba977@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64b0aaab1002030713k322621c6k23afb8e829cba977@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f01002030815o12369cb7g45fac27fb06a5821@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Anish Kurian <anishk33 at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.zideck.com/blog/article.php?id=5
>
> <http://www.zideck.com/blog/article.php?id=5>Looking at python through
> java,
> end up writing this.



Read the comments, most answers are out there

>
> --
> aNish
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 01:13:49 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 05:43:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
Message-ID: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>

Using IPython from pdb, what use is it?
I read Jeff's excellent mail on debugging and tracing and he insisted on
using IPython from pdb. I have used pdb extensively and never used IPython,
(it never caught me, given that odd interface of number[:]) etc.

So, I am really not sure as how using IPython from pdb can help during
debugging? I tried it, I loose all the pdb's capabilities when I enter into
the IPython shell. How do people normally use it?

-- 
Senthil

From steve at lonetwin.net  Thu Feb  4 08:25:08 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:55:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6A7654.8030901@lonetwin.net>

On 02/04/2010 05:43 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
> Using IPython from pdb, what use is it?
> I read Jeff's excellent mail on debugging and tracing and he insisted on
> using IPython from pdb. I have used pdb extensively and never used IPython,
> (it never caught me, given that odd interface of number[:]) etc.
>
I don't know anything about the problem you mention (or the mail you refer to) 
but I agree with the comment about the odd interface of ipython. In case you are 
on linux and are looking for a more powerful CLI than the standard python 
interface, I would recommend trying out bpython:

http://bpython-interpreter.org/
http://bpython-interpreter.org/screenshots/

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 09:46:43 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:16:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <4B6A7654.8030901@lonetwin.net>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B6A7654.8030901@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <20100204084643.GC4162@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 12:55:08PM +0530, steve wrote:
> than the standard python interface, I would recommend trying out bpython:
>
> http://bpython-interpreter.org/

This is cool. Thanks for pointing out.

-- 
Senthil
If you just try long enough and hard enough, you can always manage to
boot yourself in the posterior.
		-- A. J. Liebling, "The Press"

From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  4 09:59:29 2010
From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (VIJAY KUMAR)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:29:29 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Help -- Python with C
Message-ID: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Hi ,
??? I wanted to call the function defined in C in to python module.
?
???? C filedummy_c_module.c contains below 
?
?????? int dummy_c_function(int value)
??????? {
?????????? int ret;
?????????? ret = value + 5;
????????? ?return ret;?????
?? ?? }
?
? I have Python module? dummy_p_module.py 
???
? from dummy_c_module import dummy_c_function
? a = dummy_c_function(22)
?? print a

how can we do the this. Am using Ubuntu OS.


Thanks in advance.

?
with regards

?vijay



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From madhusudhan.sunkara at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 10:05:05 2010
From: madhusudhan.sunkara at gmail.com (Madhusudhan sunkara)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:35:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help -- Python with C
In-Reply-To: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ea50e2441002040105k431d7399y2e7e345ee24adc8c@mail.gmail.com>

here is good starting point :
http://superjared.com/entry/anatomy-python-c-module/


On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, VIJAY KUMAR <vnbang2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi ,
>     I wanted to call the function defined in C in to python module.
>
>      C filedummy_c_module.c contains below
>
>        int dummy_c_function(int value)
>         {
>            int ret;
>            ret = value + 5;
>            return ret;
>       }
>
>   I have Python module  dummy_p_module.py
>
>   from dummy_c_module import dummy_c_function
>   a = dummy_c_function(22)
>    print a
>
> how can we do the this. Am using Ubuntu OS.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> with regards
>
>  vijay
>
>
>
>      Your Mail works best with the New Yahoo Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!
> http://downloads.yahoo.com/in/internetexplorer/
> _______________________________________________
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 10:06:51 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:36:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help -- Python with C
In-Reply-To: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100204090651.GD4162@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>


On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 02:29:29PM +0530, VIJAY KUMAR wrote:
> ??? I wanted to call the function defined in C in to python module.

Follow the examples given here:
http://nedbatchelder.com/text/whirlext.html

You should be able to convert you C function into a proper python
module.


-- 
Senthil
In defeat, unbeatable; in victory, unbearable.
		-- W. Churchill, on General Montgomery

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 10:10:19 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 14:40:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help -- Python with C
In-Reply-To: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002040110m504372f9l28b9f4b68e8c21e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, VIJAY KUMAR <vnbang2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi ,
> ??? I wanted to call the function defined in C in to python module.
>
> ???? C filedummy_c_module.c contains below
>
> ?????? int dummy_c_function(int value)
> ??????? {
> ?????????? int ret;
> ?????????? ret = value + 5;
> ????????? ?return ret;
> ?? ?? }
>
> ? I have Python module? dummy_p_module.py
>
> ? from dummy_c_module import dummy_c_function
> ? a = dummy_c_function(22)
> ?? print a
>
> how can we do the this. Am using Ubuntu OS.

You would either need to wrap your C file as a Python module. Docs are
available here http://docs.python.org/extending/extending.html

Or you can compile your C file into a library and use the ctypes FFI
The docs are fairly descriptive and have an included tutorial as well
http://docs.python.org/library/ctypes.html



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abhilash.pin2 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 18:56:03 2010
From: abhilash.pin2 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?YcOfbOC5gM6vbM6xc2zguYA=?=)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:26:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] execute any .exe at remote system !
Message-ID: <c0a392b01002040956w2a6601b1q5543a1547243e10c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
    I want to execute a python program in my local system, by that I can run
any .exe file at a remote system.
    How to go about ??

-- 
a?l??l?sl?

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 03:48:29 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:18:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] execute any .exe at remote system !
In-Reply-To: <c0a392b01002040956w2a6601b1q5543a1547243e10c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c0a392b01002040956w2a6601b1q5543a1547243e10c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100205024829.GA4831@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 11:26:03PM +0530, a?l??l?sl? wrote:
>     I want to execute a python program in my local system, by that I can run
> any .exe file at a remote system.
>     How to go about ??

Execute it through ssh. man ssh and wrap it around python.

-- 
Senthil
Remember that there is an outside world to see and enjoy.
		-- Hans Liepmann

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Fri Feb  5 05:29:22 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:59:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Read how twitter is using Scala.
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2D8F1@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

http://www.artima.com/scalazine/articles/twitter_on_scala.html

 

 
Regards,
~ Srini T
 

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 06:47:17 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:17:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] execute any .exe at remote system !
In-Reply-To: <20100205024829.GA4831@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
References: <c0a392b01002040956w2a6601b1q5543a1547243e10c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100205024829.GA4831@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002042147u6ee1ef0dy7fd1c370be35db35@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 11:26:03PM +0530, a?l??l?sl? wrote:
> >     I want to execute a python program in my local system, by that I can
> run
> > any .exe file at a remote system.
> >     How to go about ??
>
> Execute it through ssh. man ssh and wrap it around python.
>

There are a few Python solutions to this. You can try paramiko,
 pydsh and the like.


> --
> Senthil
> Remember that there is an outside world to see and enjoy.
>                -- Hans Liepmann
> _______________________________________________
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 08:21:22 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 12:51:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] execute any .exe at remote system !
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31002042147u6ee1ef0dy7fd1c370be35db35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c0a392b01002040956w2a6601b1q5543a1547243e10c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100205024829.GA4831@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
	<8548c5f31002042147u6ee1ef0dy7fd1c370be35db35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba11002042321m3e487ffeq4a9cef10d8f17ae9@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> There are a few Python solutions to this. You can try paramiko,
>  pydsh and the like.
>
>
Yeah Paramiko would be more pythonic, but please be aware that it has its
own share of limitations. I guess SSH 1 is not supported. SSH tool by itself
is one of the super cool ones that you would come across and I felt no
hesitation or shame in wrapping things over it using subprocess module. :)

-- 
Senthil

From hartror at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 11:46:51 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 02:46:51 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
Message-ID: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore, I work
with a lot of Indians here in Australia and figure why should they have all
the fun of coming to another country to work.

The main questions I have are:

   - Do Bangalore IT companies hire many internationals?
   - Can you get by with English only? (I note with happiness all
   the correspondence on this list appears to be in English)
   - What are the Python job prospects like in Bangalore?
   - Do any of you work with/are internationals working in Bangalore and
   would be willing to talk to me about it in more depth?

Any other insights people have would be much appreciated, for example: am I
mad?

Thank you

p.s. I hope this isn't too off topic/general but I figure since I belong to
the Melbourne PUG we're like brothers in arms :)
-- 
Rory Hart

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb  5 12:11:58 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:41:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002051641.59067.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Friday 05 Feb 2010 4:16:51 pm Rory Hart wrote:
> I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore,
> 

why Bangalore? I know many people who have moved to India by choice - not 
counting those who are transfered to India. The main motives are: the 
institution of family is respected here, pace of life is slower and cost of 
living is low. Since the cost of living is low, you could live like a king on 
1000 USD a month. Internet connectivity is ok, so if you freelance (have some 
contacts in Australia) you could set up shop in a hill station either in the 
Himalayas or the Western Ghats, or on a beach - we have lovely unspoiled 
beaches, or in a forest. In Bangalore or Mumbai, you might as well be in 
Australia. As for our so-called software industry, it is mainly outsourced 
stuff ...  
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From hartror at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 12:34:31 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 03:34:31 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <201002051641.59067.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002051641.59067.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <2ce9d06b1002050334g575ee234nbf15d82039618a64@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> On Friday 05 Feb 2010 4:16:51 pm Rory Hart wrote:
> > I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore,
> >
>
> why Bangalore? I know many people who have moved to India by choice - not
> counting those who are transfered to India. The main motives are: the
> institution of family is respected here, pace of life is slower and cost of
> living is low. Since the cost of living is low, you could live like a king
> on
> 1000 USD a month. Internet connectivity is ok, so if you freelance (have
> some
> contacts in Australia) you could set up shop in a hill station either in
> the
> Himalayas or the Western Ghats, or on a beach - we have lovely unspoiled
> beaches, or in a forest. In Bangalore or Mumbai, you might as well be in
> Australia. As for our so-called software industry, it is mainly outsourced
> stuff ...
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/


Well I was considering Bangalore because of its "Indian silicon-valley"
reputation.
-- 
Rory Hart
http://www.whatisthescience.com
http://blog.roryhart.net

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 13:33:39 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:03:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <2ce9d06b1002050334g575ee234nbf15d82039618a64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002051641.59067.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<2ce9d06b1002050334g575ee234nbf15d82039618a64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002050433l5358824cqa6b4d41effabd009@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Friday 05 Feb 2010 4:16:51 pm Rory Hart wrote:
> > > I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore,
> > >
>

 Welcome!


> >
> > why Bangalore? I know many people who have moved to India by choice - not
> > counting those who are transfered to India. The main motives are: the
> > institution of family is respected here, pace of life is slower and cost
> of
> > living is low. Since the cost of living is low, you could live like a
> king
> > on
> > 1000 USD a month. Internet connectivity is ok, so if you freelance (have
> > some
> > contacts in Australia) you could set up shop in a hill station either in
> > the
> > Himalayas or the Western Ghats, or on a beach - we have lovely unspoiled
> > beaches, or in a forest. In Bangalore or Mumbai, you might as well be in
> > Australia. As for our so-called software industry, it is mainly
> outsourced
> > stuff ...
> > --
> > regards
> > Kenneth Gonsalves
> > Senior Project Officer
> > NRC-FOSS
> > http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>
>
> Well I was considering Bangalore because of its "Indian silicon-valley"
> reputation.
>

 You also get Fosters here :)


> --
> Rory Hart
> http://www.whatisthescience.com
> http://blog.roryhart.net
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 13:49:57 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:19:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb1002050449t5a7c1643i7923f966bdd9f100@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore, I work
> with a lot of Indians here in Australia and figure why should they have all
> the fun of coming to another country to work.

Welcome.

>
> The main questions I have are:
>
> ? - Do Bangalore IT companies hire many internationals?

I don't see any reason why they shouldn't. Does anybody know how
hard/easy it is get a VISA to work in India?

> ? - Can you get by with English only? (I note with happiness all
> ? the correspondence on this list appears to be in English)

Pretty much.

> ? - What are the Python job prospects like in Bangalore?

I think it is not bad. I know couple of friends who have quit their
regular jobs and found some interesting consulting work in Python.

> ? - Do any of you work with/are internationals working in Bangalore and
> ? would be willing to talk to me about it in more depth?

I'm at the other end of the coin. I'm living in Bangalore and I
telecommute for an organization in the US.
You can try to get some telecommuting job, but it won't be as fun as
working with a group, esp. when you are in a new country.

Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 13:53:46 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:23:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002050453w4bfab092ud673f7f35852054c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Rory Hart <hartror at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore, I work
> with a lot of Indians here in Australia and figure why should they have all
> the fun of coming to another country to work.

In my experience, Indians migrate for higher pay (with the exchange
rate working in their advantage) rather than fun. I'm sure some do it
for the latter but those are exceptions.

> The main questions I have are:
>
> ? - Do Bangalore IT companies hire many internationals?

I'm not sure of that. I haven't really seen people being hired here
that way. Most of the non-Indian folks who work out of India are
employees from the parent organisation abroad who have come down to
India for specific projects (often in people management or senior
tech. roles).


> ? - Can you get by with English only? (I note with happiness all
> ? the correspondence on this list appears to be in English)

Inside the company, if you can put up with a little bad grammar, I
suppose it's possible. Outside, things get harder. Since you're
planning to come down for the fun of it, it might be an educational
experience to join a local language institute and learn a local Indian
language.

> ? - What are the Python job prospects like in Bangalore?

This is tricky. I know lots of orgs that use it for internal purposes.
For external apps that get shipped to clients, I know of ZeOmega and
no others.

> ? - Do any of you work with/are internationals working in Bangalore and
> ? would be willing to talk to me about it in more depth?

My current organisation has a couple of people from Norway. They stay
in India during their work. I don't interact with them *that* much but
I do a little. Do you have any specific questions?

> Any other insights people have would be much appreciated, for example: am I
> mad?

You write cogently and seem to have a solid reason for embarking on
this so I think not. Chad Fowler (http://chadfowler.com/about-me)
spent some time in India and one of things he did was learn the local
language.  He enjoyed it apparently and it's possible that you might
too.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From b.ghose at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 13:53:39 2010
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:23:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31002050433l5358824cqa6b4d41effabd009@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201002051641.59067.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<2ce9d06b1002050334g575ee234nbf15d82039618a64@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f31002050433l5358824cqa6b4d41effabd009@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a9acd2e51002050453q210d5f59g26e2c08027631ffd@mail.gmail.com>

> ?You also get Fosters here :)

[OT]
May be it's not common knowledge here in India, but nobody drinks
Foster's in Australia. Whatever we see in the ads here is all
propaganda :)

Having said that, I would recommend Rory to consider moving to Pune,
India. It has the right blend of tech. community, peaceful life, work
opportunities, infrastructure and nice weather. It's also cheaper than
the so-called metro cities.

Regards,
BG

-- 
Baishampayan Ghose
b.ghose at gmail.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 14:02:26 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:32:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <a9acd2e51002050453q210d5f59g26e2c08027631ffd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002051641.59067.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<2ce9d06b1002050334g575ee234nbf15d82039618a64@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31002050433l5358824cqa6b4d41effabd009@mail.gmail.com>
	<a9acd2e51002050453q210d5f59g26e2c08027631ffd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002050502q77e85418s1c62ba9ab9c4dd57@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ?You also get Fosters here :)
>
> [OT]
> May be it's not common knowledge here in India, but nobody drinks
> Foster's in Australia. Whatever we see in the ads here is all
> propaganda :)

I've heard that too. A lot of genuine Australians I've read on the net
bemoan the trashing of their country by the Fosters ads. I'm a
teetotaller myself so I don't know about the taste but I have heard
this sentiment before.

> Having said that, I would recommend Rory to consider moving to Pune,
> India. It has the right blend of tech. community, peaceful life, work
> opportunities, infrastructure and nice weather. It's also cheaper than
> the so-called metro cities.

This is a good suggestion along with what Kenneth mentioned about
staying in a less crowded area. The sheer effort of day to day life
existence in the Indian metros is so high that you can easily get
drained. OTOH, it's a learning experience if you're into a bit of
masochism. ;)



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sree at mahiti.org  Fri Feb  5 14:30:53 2010
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:00:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb1002050449t5a7c1643i7923f966bdd9f100@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb1002050449t5a7c1643i7923f966bdd9f100@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <313529611002050530k156c2756we987e144d2f23b2b@mail.gmail.com>

On 5 February 2010 18:19, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> >
> > The main questions I have are:
> >
> >   - Do Bangalore IT companies hire many internationals?
>
> I don't see any reason why they shouldn't. Does anybody know how
> hard/easy it is get a VISA to work in India?
>
> When we tried to get employment visa for an expert from Australia about 2
months back to work for Mahiti, visa was rejected saying there is enough
local skill available for the job that was referred in the employment
letter!
- sree

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 14:40:52 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:10:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <313529611002050530k156c2756we987e144d2f23b2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb1002050449t5a7c1643i7923f966bdd9f100@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529611002050530k156c2756we987e144d2f23b2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002050540j6e848790w177ec2bc12af8306@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org> wrote:
> On 5 February 2010 18:19, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >
>> > The main questions I have are:
>> >
>> > ? - Do Bangalore IT companies hire many internationals?
>>
>> I don't see any reason why they shouldn't. Does anybody know how
>> hard/easy it is get a VISA to work in India?
>>
>> When we tried to get employment visa for an expert from Australia about 2
> months back to work for Mahiti, visa was rejected saying there is enough
> local skill available for the job that was referred in the employment
> letter!

Really? That's an eye opener. I thought  only the US consulate was
picky about visas.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 14:47:30 2010
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:17:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002050540j6e848790w177ec2bc12af8306@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb1002050449t5a7c1643i7923f966bdd9f100@mail.gmail.com>
	<313529611002050530k156c2756we987e144d2f23b2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1002050540j6e848790w177ec2bc12af8306@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Really? That's an eye opener. I thought ?only the US consulate was
> picky about visas.

Getting an Indian work Visa is very difficult. Unless you are Person
Of Indian Origin. I have seen few colleagues of mine, sent back to
their respective countries when they tried to renew their work permit.
May be this has something to do with the unemployment of existing
qualified engineers in India. Its hard for a company to justify when
they want to hire a software professional from abroad


-- 
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From steve at lonetwin.net  Sat Feb  6 10:21:50 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:51:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2ce9d06b1002050246u27caddfdgb29e6c1e96f68fa5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6D34AE.20406@lonetwin.net>

Hi Rory,

On 02/05/2010 04:16 PM, Rory Hart wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore, I work
> with a lot of Indians here in Australia and figure why should they have all
> the fun of coming to another country to work.
>
Makes sense. In my previous jobs, a lot of international colleagues who came for 
short business visits, noted that India isn't all that bad as a place to stay, 
work and grow professionally for a few years (despite things that people from 
developed nations take for granted ie: good roads, regular water and electricity 
and overall predictability and reliability of general infrastructure).

This sort of thing is best done in the early years of your career.

> The main questions I have are:
>
>     - Do Bangalore IT companies hire many internationals?
Well, as others noted, getting a work visa might be tough. Not due to any 
underling protectionist agenda but due to the sheer chaotic and utterly 
frustrating bureaucratic machinery. That said, if you do manage to get one (or 
convince an Indian company to get one for you), you'll find the job market 
pretty good. Most 'good' companies won't really care if you are an 
international. More about the 'good' part later.

>     - Can you get by with English only? (I note with happiness all
>     the correspondence on this list appears to be in English)

Absolutely ! I'd say 98% of software business gets done in English here in 
India. The accent though might be a problem initially (not only yours but the 
varied ones that we have here :) ).

>     - What are the Python job prospects like in Bangalore?

Umm, widen your choice beyond Bangalore. Consider places like Pune, Delhi 
(including NCR) and Hyderabad.

Python job prospects in India are mainly web application development related. 
Although there are a few companies that do use python for non-web application 
development. I don't think there are any stats available though.

>     - Do any of you work with/are internationals working in Bangalore and
>     would be willing to talk to me about it in more depth?
>
In an earlier job I worked with a French guy who decided to take up a job in 
India to help him stay, travel and experience India. He managed to pull it off 
for 4+ years (i think). I'll put you in touch with him.

> Any other insights people have would be much appreciated, for example: am I
> mad?
>
Not really. The work part makes sense, the only possibly mad bit is thinking 
that you can survive India, without ever visiting this beautifully dualistic(*) 
county. Nothing can prepare you for the cultural and social shock that you get 
when you first visit. How you'll handle it will tell whether you were mad or not.

Now, about the good company part -- note that most big software firms in India 
are code monkey farms, with production line engineers, ejected into our industry 
by the don't-think-just-cram education system of our country. So, if you are 
unfortunate enough to land up in one of those, you'll become frustrated very 
quickly. I think this explains the work culture of the majority of Indian 
software firms:

http://sivers.org/book/SpeakingOfIndia

So, choose wisely. Rule of thumb -- In India, working at a product development 
companies is better than working at service oriented companies (yes, that might 
be a flame bait, but what the heck, that's my personal experience).

cheers,
- steve

(*) Whatever you can rightly say about India, the opposite is also true.
                                - Joan Robinson
-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Sat Feb  6 10:34:27 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:04:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <4B6D34AE.20406@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DAE7@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

 >Umm, widen your choice beyond Bangalore. Consider places like Pune,
Delhi (including NCR) and Hyderabad.

In Hyderabad , I know of two companies which use python for Automation
testing.
One is Emerson Network Power
Two is Intoto inc,Now part of freescale semiconductor.

As noufal and steve said I don't know of  any companies which develop
products in python in  Hyderabad(correct me if I am wrong?).
Even in  Web development  also , I never heard of any company which
thrown  an ad for Python/django dev's.
May be, I could be wrong .

Here  people are gung-ho about Sharepoint,.NET and Java and  am yet to
see a coaching institute for python.

And well ,that is my experience with Python here in Hyderabad.

Regards,
~ Srini T

From ramp99 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 14:08:40 2010
From: ramp99 at gmail.com (Rama Rao Polneni)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:38:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython: Unhandled exception
Message-ID: <9a8a0e231002060508u11033233s4364872ad8040e4b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have developed a GUI application.
Some times I am getting an unhandled exception with the following message:

*An unhandled exception occurred. *
*Press "Abort" to terminate the program, "Retry" to exit the program
normally and "Ignore" to try to Cotinue.*
**
Do you know why this unhandled exceptions is coming, even though I hadled
exceptions where they are required.

Thanks,
Rama Rao
**
**

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 15:15:03 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:45:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>

[ caution, huge email follows ]

Hey Senthil,
I was under the impression that everyone here used and loved IPython. Boy,
was I wrong.
I wont attempt to convince you folks why you should use IPython, but here a
few features that I love in IPython which are not there (or not  very
obvious) in vanilla python interpreter.

note: I'm using ">>" for prompt, you can always customize your IPython
interpreter.

*Tab completion*. I cant live without it.
>> import sys
>> sy<TAB>
>> sys.<TAB>
sys.foo sys.bar sys.baz

>> sys.getsi<TAB>
>> sys.getsizeof

*Documentation* and *Function Signature*
>> sys.getsizeof?
*Type*:             builtin_function_or_method
*Base Class*:  <type 'builtin_function_or_method'>
*String Form*:  <built-in function getsizeof>
*Namespace*:   Interactive
*Docstring*:
     getsizeof(object, default) -> int

     Return the size of object in bytes

*Source Code*
>> import multiprocessing
>> multiprocessing.os?
*[Doc, Function Signature etc]*

>> multiprocessing.os??
*[opens the source code if you wanna browse around]*


Those are the top 3 things that I love about IPython interpreter. And ever
since I found them, I haven't gone back to vanilla python interpreter.

Senthil wrote,

* I am really not sure as how using IPython from pdb can help during
debugging? I tried it, I loose all the pdb's capabilities when I enter into
the IPython shell. How do people normally use it?
*

Yes, you're right. You loose all capabilities of pdb when you're in IPython
(there's a solution, i'll get to that later)
Here's my typical IPython from pdb session for debugging.

1. Insert import pdb;pdb.set_trace() the place where I suspect the problem
is. Assume the very next line throws a huge error.
2. Run the code, drop into pdb
3. Invoke IPython from pdb
>> whos
# Shows all the variables in the current context
4. Poke around a lil bit, see what's the values of variables are, etc etc.
Pretty normal stuff. Couple this with IPython's excellent introspective
power you can rip apart and dig each and everything.
>> import more_modules
>> try_different_things(); try_different_logic();
5. Execute the "next line" and expect it to throw the error. See the error,
if you want, retry the same line, try different arguments. Note: You havent
progressed a line at all, you're just trying out stuff at this moment
6. Once you're done your bit, you *get out of IPython. Cntrl-D*
7*. *Back in pdb, use all of pdb's power. Step in, Execute next line, set
more breakpoints, etc etc
8. Hit "c" to proceed to next breakpoint.
9. Repeat Steps 3 -> 8

I've never had to use print statements for debugging ever since I found pdb.
With print, you can print only a couple of variables, with IPython (pdb
actually) you have access to the entire namespace. IPython just makes
working with the huge namespace a breeze.

If you arent bored already, I'll explain a unique (weird ?) way I write code
these days.
Normally, we have 2 windows open. One python interpreter and your fav text
editor. You try out stuff before to type it in your text editor.
Here's a different approach.

Step 1: Start coding before you even try out a single bit on python
interpreter.
# myCode.py
import re
regex = re.compile(r'^b')
myList = ['foo', 'bar', 'baz']

for item in myList:
   import pdb;pdb.set_trace()

Step 2. Drop into pdb and then to IPython
Step 3. Try out your stuff *here*. You dont have to setup *myList*, *item,
regex *etc. You have everything ready waiting for you.
Step 4:
>> item
*'foo'*

>> regex
*<_sre.SRE_Patten object at 0x123123>*

>> regex.<TAB>
>> regex.mat<TAB>
>> regex.match?
*[read, find what it is, nope .. not what I wanted]*

>> regex.<TAB>
>> regex.sea<TAB>
>> regex.search?
*[ah ha!]*

>> regex.search(item)
>> Cntrl-D

(pdb) c

>> regex.search(item)
*<_sre.SRE_Match object at 0x123123>*

*# phew, my re pattern works, awesome. I didnt have to setup dummy values
and then try it out etc.*
*# If re pattern didnt work the first time, I can make a new re patten and
try it out here. Again, I am not dealing with dummy values, but its the
actual values from the code -- foo, bar, baz (think if you're reading from a
file, querying database etc.) work with real values, not dummy*

*# Again, not knowing whether it is regex.search or regex.match to use didnt
stop you from starting to code.*
*
*I call it breakpoint induced coding. Extremely helpful when you're
modifying someone else's code and you have no idea wht the heck all the code
before this was doing. Insert a breakpoint (at the potential place you'd
edit/add code) and start from there.

# someonesCode.py
import m1, m2, m3;

call_function_1()
call_function_2()
do_extreme_stuff()
call_another_setof_functions()

def do_extreme_stuff():
  s1
  s2
  potential_bug
  s3


Step 1.
s1
s2
*import pdb;pdb.set_trace()*
potential_bug
s3

Step 2: pdb -> IPython
>> whos
* #see what the variables are, what's the status of the program right now
etc*

>> try_a_much_better_approach()
>> make_sure_it_works_and_doesnt_break_anything()

Step 3: Go back to text editor and put in your stuff there.
Step 4: Peace.


If you're still reading, hope I havent confused you.


Jeff

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 15:26:16 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:56:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cae1cffe1002060626k6d08b63ay804961de9e5bd685@mail.gmail.com>

Not quite long ago, I wrote,
You loose all capabilities of pdb when you're in IPython (there's a
solution, i'll get to that later)

Its called ipdb. IPythonised pdb. I havent used it to recommend it. I'm
happy with the solution that I have right now for debugging and writing
code.

Read more about it here.
http://www.electricmonk.nl/log/2008/06/25/breakpoint-induced-python-debugging-with-ipython/



On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

> Using IPython from pdb, what use is it?
> I read Jeff's excellent mail on debugging and tracing and he insisted on
> using IPython from pdb. I have used pdb extensively and never used IPython,
> (it never caught me, given that odd interface of number[:]) etc.
>
> So, I am really not sure as how using IPython from pdb can help during
> debugging? I tried it, I loose all the pdb's capabilities when I enter into
> the IPython shell. How do people normally use it?
>
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 15:25:58 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:55:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002060625p599e7b22yfc8975cc0123f3a2@mail.gmail.com>

@Jeffrey,

bpython is a bit unstable and crash-prone but I prefer it over Ipython.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com> wrote:

> [ caution, huge email follows ]
>
> Hey Senthil,
> I was under the impression that everyone here used and loved IPython. Boy,
> was I wrong.
> I wont attempt to convince you folks why you should use IPython, but here a
> few features that I love in IPython which are not there (or not  very
> obvious) in vanilla python interpreter.
>
> note: I'm using ">>" for prompt, you can always customize your IPython
> interpreter.
>
> *Tab completion*. I cant live without it.
>

bpython supports tab-completion


> >> import sys
> >> sy<TAB>
> >> sys.<TAB>
> sys.foo sys.bar sys.baz
>
> >> sys.getsi<TAB>
> >> sys.getsizeof
>
> *Documentation* and *Function Signature*
>

bpython supports these features


> >> sys.getsizeof?
> *Type*:             builtin_function_or_method
> *Base Class*:  <type 'builtin_function_or_method'>
> *String Form*:  <built-in function getsizeof>
> *Namespace*:   Interactive
> *Docstring*:
>     getsizeof(object, default) -> int
>
>     Return the size of object in bytes
>
> *Source Code*
> >> import multiprocessing
> >> multiprocessing.os?
> *[Doc, Function Signature etc]*
>
> >> multiprocessing.os??
> *[opens the source code if you wanna browse around]*
>
>
> Those are the top 3 things that I love about IPython interpreter. And ever
> since I found them, I haven't gone back to vanilla python interpreter.
>
> Senthil wrote,
>
> * I am really not sure as how using IPython from pdb can help during
> debugging? I tried it, I loose all the pdb's capabilities when I enter into
> the IPython shell. How do people normally use it?
> *
>
> Yes, you're right. You loose all capabilities of pdb when you're in IPython
> (there's a solution, i'll get to that later)
> Here's my typical IPython from pdb session for debugging.
>
> 1. Insert import pdb;pdb.set_trace() the place where I suspect the problem
> is. Assume the very next line throws a huge error.
> 2. Run the code, drop into pdb
> 3. Invoke IPython from pdb
> >> whos
> # Shows all the variables in the current context
> 4. Poke around a lil bit, see what's the values of variables are, etc etc.
> Pretty normal stuff. Couple this with IPython's excellent introspective
> power you can rip apart and dig each and everything.
> >> import more_modules
> >> try_different_things(); try_different_logic();
> 5. Execute the "next line" and expect it to throw the error. See the error,
> if you want, retry the same line, try different arguments. Note: You havent
> progressed a line at all, you're just trying out stuff at this moment
> 6. Once you're done your bit, you *get out of IPython. Cntrl-D*
> 7*. *Back in pdb, use all of pdb's power. Step in, Execute next line, set
> more breakpoints, etc etc
> 8. Hit "c" to proceed to next breakpoint.
> 9. Repeat Steps 3 -> 8
>
> I've never had to use print statements for debugging ever since I found
> pdb.
> With print, you can print only a couple of variables, with IPython (pdb
> actually) you have access to the entire namespace. IPython just makes
> working with the huge namespace a breeze.
>
> If you arent bored already, I'll explain a unique (weird ?) way I write
> code
> these days.
> Normally, we have 2 windows open. One python interpreter and your fav text
> editor. You try out stuff before to type it in your text editor.
> Here's a different approach.
>
> Step 1: Start coding before you even try out a single bit on python
> interpreter.
> # myCode.py
> import re
> regex = re.compile(r'^b')
> myList = ['foo', 'bar', 'baz']
>
> for item in myList:
>   import pdb;pdb.set_trace()
>
> Step 2. Drop into pdb and then to IPython
> Step 3. Try out your stuff *here*. You dont have to setup *myList*, *item,
> regex *etc. You have everything ready waiting for you.
> Step 4:
> >> item
> *'foo'*
>
> >> regex
> *<_sre.SRE_Patten object at 0x123123>*
>
> >> regex.<TAB>
> >> regex.mat<TAB>
> >> regex.match?
> *[read, find what it is, nope .. not what I wanted]*
>
> >> regex.<TAB>
> >> regex.sea<TAB>
> >> regex.search?
> *[ah ha!]*
>
> >> regex.search(item)
> >> Cntrl-D
>
> (pdb) c
>
> >> regex.search(item)
> *<_sre.SRE_Match object at 0x123123>*
>
> *# phew, my re pattern works, awesome. I didnt have to setup dummy values
> and then try it out etc.*
> *# If re pattern didnt work the first time, I can make a new re patten and
> try it out here. Again, I am not dealing with dummy values, but its the
> actual values from the code -- foo, bar, baz (think if you're reading from
> a
> file, querying database etc.) work with real values, not dummy*
>
> *# Again, not knowing whether it is regex.search or regex.match to use
> didnt
> stop you from starting to code.*
> *
> *I call it breakpoint induced coding. Extremely helpful when you're
> modifying someone else's code and you have no idea wht the heck all the
> code
> before this was doing. Insert a breakpoint (at the potential place you'd
> edit/add code) and start from there.
>
> # someonesCode.py
> import m1, m2, m3;
>
> call_function_1()
> call_function_2()
> do_extreme_stuff()
> call_another_setof_functions()
>
> def do_extreme_stuff():
>  s1
>  s2
>  potential_bug
>  s3
>
>
> Step 1.
> s1
> s2
> *import pdb;pdb.set_trace()*
> potential_bug
> s3
>
> Step 2: pdb -> IPython
> >> whos
> * #see what the variables are, what's the status of the program right now
> etc*
>
> >> try_a_much_better_approach()
> >> make_sure_it_works_and_doesnt_break_anything()
>
> Step 3: Go back to text editor and put in your stuff there.
> Step 4: Peace.
>
>
> If you're still reading, hope I havent confused you.
>
>
> Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 16:15:03 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:45:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002060625p599e7b22yfc8975cc0123f3a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002060625p599e7b22yfc8975cc0123f3a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cae1cffe1002060715m39efd3ekc1d8180a78026b2d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. I'll give it a spin.

btw, Can you tell me why you prefer bpython over IPython and the nifty
features I should be looking for when I try bpython ?


Jeff

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:

> @Jeffrey,
>
> bpython is a bit unstable and crash-prone but I prefer it over Ipython.
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > [ caution, huge email follows ]
> >
> > Hey Senthil,
> > I was under the impression that everyone here used and loved IPython.
> Boy,
> > was I wrong.
> > I wont attempt to convince you folks why you should use IPython, but here
> a
> > few features that I love in IPython which are not there (or not  very
> > obvious) in vanilla python interpreter.
> >
> > note: I'm using ">>" for prompt, you can always customize your IPython
> > interpreter.
> >
> > *Tab completion*. I cant live without it.
> >
>
> bpython supports tab-completion
>
>
> > >> import sys
> > >> sy<TAB>
> > >> sys.<TAB>
> > sys.foo sys.bar sys.baz
> >
> > >> sys.getsi<TAB>
> > >> sys.getsizeof
> >
> > *Documentation* and *Function Signature*
> >
>
> bpython supports these features
>
>
> > >> sys.getsizeof?
> > *Type*:             builtin_function_or_method
> > *Base Class*:  <type 'builtin_function_or_method'>
> > *String Form*:  <built-in function getsizeof>
> > *Namespace*:   Interactive
> > *Docstring*:
> >     getsizeof(object, default) -> int
> >
> >     Return the size of object in bytes
> >
> > *Source Code*
> > >> import multiprocessing
> > >> multiprocessing.os?
> > *[Doc, Function Signature etc]*
> >
> > >> multiprocessing.os??
> > *[opens the source code if you wanna browse around]*
> >
> >
> > Those are the top 3 things that I love about IPython interpreter. And
> ever
> > since I found them, I haven't gone back to vanilla python interpreter.
> >
> > Senthil wrote,
> >
> > * I am really not sure as how using IPython from pdb can help during
> > debugging? I tried it, I loose all the pdb's capabilities when I enter
> into
> > the IPython shell. How do people normally use it?
> > *
> >
> > Yes, you're right. You loose all capabilities of pdb when you're in
> IPython
> > (there's a solution, i'll get to that later)
> > Here's my typical IPython from pdb session for debugging.
> >
> > 1. Insert import pdb;pdb.set_trace() the place where I suspect the
> problem
> > is. Assume the very next line throws a huge error.
> > 2. Run the code, drop into pdb
> > 3. Invoke IPython from pdb
> > >> whos
> > # Shows all the variables in the current context
> > 4. Poke around a lil bit, see what's the values of variables are, etc
> etc.
> > Pretty normal stuff. Couple this with IPython's excellent introspective
> > power you can rip apart and dig each and everything.
> > >> import more_modules
> > >> try_different_things(); try_different_logic();
> > 5. Execute the "next line" and expect it to throw the error. See the
> error,
> > if you want, retry the same line, try different arguments. Note: You
> havent
> > progressed a line at all, you're just trying out stuff at this moment
> > 6. Once you're done your bit, you *get out of IPython. Cntrl-D*
> > 7*. *Back in pdb, use all of pdb's power. Step in, Execute next line, set
> > more breakpoints, etc etc
> > 8. Hit "c" to proceed to next breakpoint.
> > 9. Repeat Steps 3 -> 8
> >
> > I've never had to use print statements for debugging ever since I found
> > pdb.
> > With print, you can print only a couple of variables, with IPython (pdb
> > actually) you have access to the entire namespace. IPython just makes
> > working with the huge namespace a breeze.
> >
> > If you arent bored already, I'll explain a unique (weird ?) way I write
> > code
> > these days.
> > Normally, we have 2 windows open. One python interpreter and your fav
> text
> > editor. You try out stuff before to type it in your text editor.
> > Here's a different approach.
> >
> > Step 1: Start coding before you even try out a single bit on python
> > interpreter.
> > # myCode.py
> > import re
> > regex = re.compile(r'^b')
> > myList = ['foo', 'bar', 'baz']
> >
> > for item in myList:
> >   import pdb;pdb.set_trace()
> >
> > Step 2. Drop into pdb and then to IPython
> > Step 3. Try out your stuff *here*. You dont have to setup *myList*,
> *item,
> > regex *etc. You have everything ready waiting for you.
> > Step 4:
> > >> item
> > *'foo'*
> >
> > >> regex
> > *<_sre.SRE_Patten object at 0x123123>*
> >
> > >> regex.<TAB>
> > >> regex.mat<TAB>
> > >> regex.match?
> > *[read, find what it is, nope .. not what I wanted]*
> >
> > >> regex.<TAB>
> > >> regex.sea<TAB>
> > >> regex.search?
> > *[ah ha!]*
> >
> > >> regex.search(item)
> > >> Cntrl-D
> >
> > (pdb) c
> >
> > >> regex.search(item)
> > *<_sre.SRE_Match object at 0x123123>*
> >
> > *# phew, my re pattern works, awesome. I didnt have to setup dummy values
> > and then try it out etc.*
> > *# If re pattern didnt work the first time, I can make a new re patten
> and
> > try it out here. Again, I am not dealing with dummy values, but its the
> > actual values from the code -- foo, bar, baz (think if you're reading
> from
> > a
> > file, querying database etc.) work with real values, not dummy*
> >
> > *# Again, not knowing whether it is regex.search or regex.match to use
> > didnt
> > stop you from starting to code.*
> > *
> > *I call it breakpoint induced coding. Extremely helpful when you're
> > modifying someone else's code and you have no idea wht the heck all the
> > code
> > before this was doing. Insert a breakpoint (at the potential place you'd
> > edit/add code) and start from there.
> >
> > # someonesCode.py
> > import m1, m2, m3;
> >
> > call_function_1()
> > call_function_2()
> > do_extreme_stuff()
> > call_another_setof_functions()
> >
> > def do_extreme_stuff():
> >  s1
> >  s2
> >  potential_bug
> >  s3
> >
> >
> > Step 1.
> > s1
> > s2
> > *import pdb;pdb.set_trace()*
> > potential_bug
> > s3
> >
> > Step 2: pdb -> IPython
> > >> whos
> > * #see what the variables are, what's the status of the program right now
> > etc*
> >
> > >> try_a_much_better_approach()
> > >> make_sure_it_works_and_doesnt_break_anything()
> >
> > Step 3: Go back to text editor and put in your stuff there.
> > Step 4: Peace.
> >
> >
> > If you're still reading, hope I havent confused you.
> >
> >
> > Jeff
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 17:59:15 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:29:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython: Unhandled exception
In-Reply-To: <9a8a0e231002060508u11033233s4364872ad8040e4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a8a0e231002060508u11033233s4364872ad8040e4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002060859g6edea348q2ec00f37eaf11153@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Rama Rao Polneni <ramp99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have developed a GUI application.
> Some times I am getting an unhandled exception with the following message:
>
> *An unhandled exception occurred. *
> *Press "Abort" to terminate the program, "Retry" to exit the program
> normally and "Ignore" to try to Cotinue.*
> **
> Do you know why this unhandled exceptions is coming, even though I hadled
> exceptions where they are required.
>

I'd recommend that you 'unhandle' your exceptions and let the
application crash. Once that happens, you'll get a traceback which
should point you to the actual problem.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 18:09:19 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:39:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002060909o3d3ab26kd62d8022e2daee21@mail.gmail.com>

I'd recommend that you use standard email quotations. It makes for
better reading rather than the * notation that you've used to reply to
Senthil's mail.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> [ caution, huge email follows ]
>
> Hey Senthil,
> I was under the impression that everyone here used and loved IPython. Boy,
> was I wrong.
> I wont attempt to convince you folks why you should use IPython, but here a
> few features that I love in IPython which are not there (or not ?very
> obvious) in vanilla python interpreter.
>
> note: I'm using ">>" for prompt, you can always customize your IPython
> interpreter.
>
> *Tab completion*. I cant live without it.
>>> import sys
>>> sy<TAB>
>>> sys.<TAB>
> sys.foo sys.bar sys.baz

The vanilla Python interpreter can be customised to do this.
http://docs.python.org/library/rlcompleter.html

The Emacs integration of ipython is quite nice. I don't use it *that*
much but it's still pretty good especially to jump around a traceback
when your program crashes. I don't like leaving Emacs to do something
since I have to switch context. Being able to mess with your program
entirely from within is a convenience and the ipython.el module helps
quite a bit.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From gora at srijan.in  Sat Feb  6 18:31:07 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:01:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WxPython: Unhandled exception
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002060859g6edea348q2ec00f37eaf11153@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a8a0e231002060508u11033233s4364872ad8040e4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1002060859g6edea348q2ec00f37eaf11153@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100206230107.6b01f259@ibis>

On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:29:15 +0530
Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Rama Rao Polneni
> <ramp99 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have developed a GUI application.
> > Some times I am getting an unhandled exception with the
> > following message:
> >
> > *An unhandled exception occurred. *
> > *Press "Abort" to terminate the program, "Retry" to exit the
> > program normally and "Ignore" to try to Cotinue.*
> > **
> > Do you know why this unhandled exceptions is coming, even
> > though I hadled exceptions where they are required.
> >
> 
> I'd recommend that you 'unhandle' your exceptions and let the
> application crash. Once that happens, you'll get a traceback which
> should point you to the actual problem.

No, this is an unhandled exception within WxPython itself.
So, there is probably not much that the original poster can
do, though Google does turn up some possible links.

Regards,
Gora

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 18:35:16 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:05:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba11002060935pd69f300of7da62dde39e2987@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was under the impression that everyone here used and loved IPython. Boy,
> was I wrong.

Thanks for taking time to explain things a bit with ipython. I have
heard rave reviews about ipython, especially from the scientific
python community, where they use it a lot.

It just that, I am using the interpreter shell less and only for
specific purposes, then ipython is something I am not getting hooked
to. But your mail is a helpful reference for many to try out.

As I write, I think, I use interpreter mostly for doing. dir(module),
help(module) or help(module.function) and sometimes a 3 line snippet.
Anything more than that has found its way to the editor.

bpython provided a tab completion feature and the help on braces (like
intellisense), that was cool too. It was developed using rlcomplete
thing.

Thanks again,

--
Senthil

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 18:39:55 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:09:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002060909o3d3ab26kd62d8022e2daee21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1002060909o3d3ab26kd62d8022e2daee21@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cae1cffe1002060939u31d84843w4dbea7f86e1a6060@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Noufal,

I'm not sure what you mean by standard email quotations. FYI, I just went
back and checked my mail in gmail and it shows up fine, so the formatting's
not screwed up (I get a lot, when you sent it as simple text and it has a
_lot_ of *this*)

Jeff


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd recommend that you use standard email quotations. It makes for
> better reading rather than the * notation that you've used to reply to
> Senthil's mail.
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > [ caution, huge email follows ]
> >
> > Hey Senthil,
> > I was under the impression that everyone here used and loved IPython.
> Boy,
> > was I wrong.
> > I wont attempt to convince you folks why you should use IPython, but here
> a
> > few features that I love in IPython which are not there (or not  very
> > obvious) in vanilla python interpreter.
> >
> > note: I'm using ">>" for prompt, you can always customize your IPython
> > interpreter.
> >
> > *Tab completion*. I cant live without it.
> >>> import sys
> >>> sy<TAB>
> >>> sys.<TAB>
> > sys.foo sys.bar sys.baz
>
> The vanilla Python interpreter can be customised to do this.
> http://docs.python.org/library/rlcompleter.html
>
> The Emacs integration of ipython is quite nice. I don't use it *that*
> much but it's still pretty good especially to jump around a traceback
> when your program crashes. I don't like leaving Emacs to do something
> since I have to switch context. Being able to mess with your program
> entirely from within is a convenience and the ipython.el module helps
> quite a bit.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 18:50:04 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:20:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <cae1cffe1002060939u31d84843w4dbea7f86e1a6060@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e1002060909o3d3ab26kd62d8022e2daee21@mail.gmail.com> 
	<cae1cffe1002060939u31d84843w4dbea7f86e1a6060@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002060950n686f5fe0m35c768713b03956c@mail.gmail.com>

here is the bpython screencast : http://*bpython*-interpreter.org/static/*
bpython*-screencast01.
ogg
It's worth trying.
By the way does anyone want to share their customized Vi features with
respect to python. I am pretty much satisfied with my own but there is
always scope for improvements.


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey Noufal,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by standard email quotations. FYI, I just went
> back and checked my mail in gmail and it shows up fine, so the formatting's
> not screwed up (I get a lot, when you sent it as simple text and it has a
> _lot_ of *this*)
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd recommend that you use standard email quotations. It makes for
> > better reading rather than the * notation that you've used to reply to
> > Senthil's mail.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > [ caution, huge email follows ]
> > >
> > > Hey Senthil,
> > > I was under the impression that everyone here used and loved IPython.
> > Boy,
> > > was I wrong.
> > > I wont attempt to convince you folks why you should use IPython, but
> here
> > a
> > > few features that I love in IPython which are not there (or not  very
> > > obvious) in vanilla python interpreter.
> > >
> > > note: I'm using ">>" for prompt, you can always customize your IPython
> > > interpreter.
> > >
> > > *Tab completion*. I cant live without it.
> > >>> import sys
> > >>> sy<TAB>
> > >>> sys.<TAB>
> > > sys.foo sys.bar sys.baz
> >
> > The vanilla Python interpreter can be customised to do this.
> > http://docs.python.org/library/rlcompleter.html
> >
> > The Emacs integration of ipython is quite nice. I don't use it *that*
> > much but it's still pretty good especially to jump around a traceback
> > when your program crashes. I don't like leaving Emacs to do something
> > since I have to switch context. Being able to mess with your program
> > entirely from within is a convenience and the ipython.el module helps
> > quite a bit.
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ravi_880 at in.com  Sat Feb  6 19:16:04 2010
From: ravi_880 at in.com (ravi chandel)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:46:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] =?utf-8?q?Help_--_Python_with_C?=
In-Reply-To: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1265480164.677fa4059ee76333f9bb9a7920aef719@mail.in.com>

hi, i am looking for a good c programming books with examples pls help. regards, ravi chandel Original message  From:VIJAY KUMAR< vnbang2003 at yahoo.com > Date: 04 Feb 10 14:29:29 Subject:[BangPypers] Help  Python with C To: Bangalore Python Users Group  India 

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 19:51:44 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 00:21:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help -- Python with C
In-Reply-To: <1265480164.677fa4059ee76333f9bb9a7920aef719@mail.in.com>
References: <872422.67549.qm@web95315.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
	<1265480164.677fa4059ee76333f9bb9a7920aef719@mail.in.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002061051t5458ae7dm4992dc4992dac97e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:46 PM, ravi chandel <ravi_880 at in.com> wrote:
> hi, i am looking for a good c programming books with examples pls help.

0. Please don't hijack threads. Unless you're following up on a topic
of conversation in an existing thread, start a new one.
1. This mailing list specifically targets the Python programming
language and related discussions. Not C.
2. http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
3. "The C Programming language" by Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie
is a must read.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From hartror at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 00:40:06 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 15:40:06 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DAE7@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4B6D34AE.20406@lonetwin.net>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DAE7@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <2ce9d06b1002061540w4cec5cdxc24296ce3edd3f0a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot for all these great answers! I had heard many of the negatives
of the India IT industry from my colleagues but figure everyone has
different views on the matter.

Pune certainly sounds interesting (both climatically and socially) and I am
considering freelancing but I do like the idea of working with people as a
good way to make friends and start to understand the culture.

Please feel free to pass my email along to your contacts that could help me
further or email me with their details.

Your help in much appreciated. Thank you all!

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:34 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

>  >Umm, widen your choice beyond Bangalore. Consider places like Pune,
> Delhi (including NCR) and Hyderabad.
>
> In Hyderabad , I know of two companies which use python for Automation
> testing.
> One is Emerson Network Power
> Two is Intoto inc,Now part of freescale semiconductor.
>
> As noufal and steve said I don't know of  any companies which develop
> products in python in  Hyderabad(correct me if I am wrong?).
> Even in  Web development  also , I never heard of any company which
> thrown  an ad for Python/django dev's.
> May be, I could be wrong .
>
> Here  people are gung-ho about Sharepoint,.NET and Java and  am yet to
> see a coaching institute for python.
>
> And well ,that is my experience with Python here in Hyderabad.
>
> Regards,
> ~ Srini T
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Rory Hart
http://www.whatisthescience.com
http://blog.roryhart.net

From steve at lonetwin.net  Mon Feb  8 07:45:01 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:15:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002060950n686f5fe0m35c768713b03956c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1002060909o3d3ab26kd62d8022e2daee21@mail.gmail.com>
	<cae1cffe1002060939u31d84843w4dbea7f86e1a6060@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002060950n686f5fe0m35c768713b03956c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6FB2ED.8090803@lonetwin.net>

Hi Shashwat,

On 02/06/2010 11:20 PM, Shashwat Anand wrote:
> here is the bpython screencast : http://*bpython*-interpreter.org/static/*
> bpython*-screencast01.
> ogg
> It's worth trying.

+1. (Having tried both ipython and bpython, I prefer bpython mainly because of 
the cleaner interface (ie: no unnecessary whitespace/newlines) and the ability 
to show the doc strings as you type).

> By the way does anyone want to share their customized Vi features with
> respect to python. I am pretty much satisfied with my own but there is
> always scope for improvements.
>
I assume you meant vim. If that assumption is correct, there isn't much python 
specific that I do except for adding...

autocmd BufNewFile,BufRead *.py let python_highlight_all = 1

...to my ~/.vimrc. Read the comments at the top of vim's python syntax file 
(typically /usr/share/vim/vim<version>/syntax/python.vim on linux) to understand 
what that means.

However, non-python specific, I like the following vim scripts for coding:

taglist.vim [ http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273 ]
supertab.vim [ http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1643 ]
vcscommand.vim [ http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=90 ]
NERD_tree.vim [ http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1658 ]

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From steve at lonetwin.net  Mon Feb  8 08:00:05 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:30:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DAE7@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DAE7@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <4B6FB675.6030005@lonetwin.net>

Hi,

On 02/06/2010 03:04 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote:
>   >Umm, widen your choice beyond Bangalore. Consider places like Pune,
> Delhi (including NCR) and Hyderabad.
>
> In Hyderabad , I know of two companies which use python for Automation
> testing.
> One is Emerson Network Power
> Two is Intoto inc,Now part of freescale semiconductor.
>
> As noufal and steve said I don't know of  any companies which develop
> products in python in  Hyderabad(correct me if I am wrong?).

Umm, I didn't mean to imply that there are no companies which develop products 
in python. I said "...there are a few companies that do use python for non-web 
application development. I don't think there are any stats available though."

Since 2003, I've been lucky enough to work at product companies where 80% (or 
more) of my code was written in python.

> Even in  Web development  also , I never heard of any company which
> thrown  an ad for Python/django dev's.
> May be, I could be wrong .
>
> Here  people are gung-ho about Sharepoint,.NET and Java and  am yet to
> see a coaching institute for python.
>

well, yeah, compared to the .NET and Java opportunities, the amount of python 
work is less. However, I have seen a trend for most *nix based shops increasing 
their use on python (as opposed to perl/C++/C) over the years.

For anyone interested (not just Rory), keeping an eye on ...
http://fossjobs.in/
http://www.python.org/community/jobs/index.html
http://django.specialtyjobmarkets.com/
http://plone.specialtyjobmarkets.com/

...might help (both for freelance as well as full-time work).

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Feb  8 10:52:27 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:22:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

1.The other day my friend was saying ;Since python is opensource ,so
many companies fear that their product's byte code 
could be reverse engineered.To protect  their Intellectual Property
rights they stay away from python,
is it true? 

2.What hinders python from becoming  a popular OOP language,like a
Java,C#,C++?
is it just slowness of python or dynamic language or Marketing?
I would like to know .
 
 
Regards,
~ Srini T
 

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 11:17:47 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 15:47:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002080217l41a89fcao1a187e9f0a861fd1@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> 1.The other day my friend was saying ;Since python is opensource ,

The fact that Python is open source is orthogonal to the fact that it
compiles source into bytecode which can be decompiled. Also "Python"
can't be open source. "Python" is a programming language. A concrete
implementation (eg. CPython) can be open source.

By your logic, "C" is opensource (in it's gcc incarnation) and
therefore should also suffer from the reverse engineering problem
you're raising.

> so
> many companies fear that their product's byte code
> could be reverse engineered.To protect ?their Intellectual Property
> rights they stay away from python,
> is it true?

My previous employer used http://cx-freeze.sourceforge.net/ to compile
their python programs into standalone executables. I don't know how
'secure' this is but it's similar to the kind of security you get
through compilation.

> 2.What hinders python from becoming ?a popular OOP language,like a
> Java,C#,C++?
> is it just slowness of python or dynamic language or Marketing?
> I would like to know .

This is subjective. I personally think it's mainly marketing (Java had
Sun and C# had MS). This leads to secondary effects like
certifications (which are useful for non-tech hiring managers to
evaluate potential employees), availability of 'resources' (since most
engineering grads jump onto the now popular language in the hope of
getting a job)

The increased adoption also helped the language. More mature tools
were built etc. so it comes around.

Also, people tend to think of Python as  a 'scripting' language and
therefore not suitable for 'enterprise' products which by definition
should be hard to understand and convoluted - lots of patterns and
layers of abstraction and lots of people working on it at any given
time.

Python's speed is also a matter but I think that's not as big a factor
as the marketing.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 11:34:58 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:04:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb1002080234s6639300l395cfecf5600b624@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> 1.The other day my friend was saying ;Since python is opensource ,so
> many companies fear that their product's byte code
> could be reverse engineered.To protect ?their Intellectual Property
> rights they stay away from python,
> is it true?

Even Java can be reverses engineered easily unless it is obfuscated.
It is probably true it is hard to obfuscate Python code.  But is
it really a problem? It is so hard to understand somebody else's code
even with some documentation. Do you really think somebody will invest
so much time to reverse-engineer your code?

Anand

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Feb  8 11:37:19 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:07:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002080217l41a89fcao1a187e9f0a861fd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC56@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>>The fact that Python is open source is orthogonal to the fact that it
compiles source into bytecode which can be decompiled. Also "Python"
>>can't be open source. "Python" is a programming language. A concrete
implementation (eg. CPython) can be open source.
>>By your logic, "C" is opensource (in it's gcc incarnation) and
therefore should also suffer from the reverse engineering problem you're
raising.

Oops!! Didn't have brains to think of gcc when my friend said it. :).My
bad.
Thanks for pointing out the difference between a 'language'   and
'Implementation'.


>>This is subjective. I personally think it's mainly marketing (Java had
Sun and C# had MS). This leads to secondary effects like certifications
(which are useful for >>>non-tech hiring managers to evaluate potential
employees), availability of 'resources' (since most engineering grads
jump onto the now popular language in the >>>>hope of getting a job)
Ok.My Question is.. 
What was   PSF's  in general, Guido's  in particular thoughts about
marketing  python?
And I heard Perl's marketing  was excellent.How did  they  manage it
with limited funds?


From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 11:47:23 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:17:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> 1.The other day my friend was saying ;Since python is opensource ,so
> many companies fear that their product's byte code
> could be reverse engineered.To protect  their Intellectual Property
> rights they stay away from python,
> is it true?
>

Java is open source and java's byte code can be reverse engineered. That
doesn't per se hinder the marketability of Java.

Having said that statements made by Noufal in a peer message in this thread
stand valid. Python is not decompilable since python is open source - python
is decompilable because it compiles to a bytecode. Also many python
implementations do ship their source as well.

One does of course wonder how much Intellectual Property protection is
offered by not shipping source code. Most code bases today are substantially
large enough (and in some cases too crappily written) to be extremely hard
to decipher. Moreover in most cases it is the first mover advantage that is
far more important than securing the source code. If I am shipping a
relatively trivial application such as say a Bug Tracking application, the
value of Intellectual Property Protection afforded by not shipping the
source is quite limited imo. On the other hand, if you have some secret
sauce algorithm, then source code protection is important. However such
applications are likely to form a fairly small fraction of the total
universe of applications and they should not be shipped in Python or Java or
C# since all of them compile to bytecode without any optimising passes on
that bytecode (its the optimising passes especially at a assembly level
instruction set which make reverse engineering so much more difficult).

To summarise : Python is unlikely to be at any disadvantage to Java / C#
especially in terms of source code decompilability.


2.What hinders python from becoming  a popular OOP language,like a
> Java,C#,C++?
> is it just slowness of python or dynamic language or Marketing?
> I would like to know .
>

What is a popular OOP language ? Is it the top 3 or top 10. If it is top 3 -
python is unlikely to get there anytime soon. If it is top 10 its been there
for a long time (perhaps a decade though I could easily be wrong).

Of the total universe of applications perhaps slowness might count for 10%
(purely my individual hunch - no scientific basis for the number)
applications selecting a much faster language. Yet to counter the same PHP
is amongst the 3 most popular languages and it is perhaps slower than
python.

Is it dynamic language ? - Again PHP is a dynamic language and is a case in
point. But PHP really scores due to its extremely low barriers to entry (for
both developers and hosting environments).

Marketing could be a partial answer. Both MS and Sun invested heavily in
terms of marketing Java / C#. Once upon a time in very old days it was said
that you couldn't lose your job by selecting IBM. Marketing also makes sure
that the people making the decision are less likely to feel concerned about
having to defend their choices in the future if and should they select say
Java or C#.

Infrastructure capabilities could be yet another answer. The Java runtime
environment is an excellent engine. Now Python has implementations which can
run on JRE (Jython) and CLR (Iron Python). However most java choices made in
the first half of the decade did not depend upon the JRE.

So to put it simply - there is no simple cut and dry answer. If you look
beyond the Marketing and a bit of the resultant herd mentality, you will
realise that most languages have a good sweetspot they manage to excel at.
And thats what drives popularity. So I would really go back and rephrase the
question. It should not be why or whether python is popular but really, does
the application you want to write lie in the sweetspot area of python or
not. If it does there's a good chance using python will make you and your
team happy at the end of the day, and if it doesn't by all means use the
right language for that application.

Dhananjay

>
>
> Regards,
> ~ Srini T
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Feb  8 11:50:33 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:20:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC56@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC56@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <201002081620.33904.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

could you fix your mail client please - the formatting is a mess and I cannot 
make out what is quoted and what is not

On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:07:19 pm Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote:
> >>The fact that Python is open source is orthogonal to the fact that it
> 
> compiles source into bytecode which can be decompiled. Also "Python"
> 
> >>can't be open source. "Python" is a programming language. A concrete
> 
> implementation (eg. CPython) can be open source.
> 
> >>By your logic, "C" is opensource (in it's gcc incarnation) and
> 
> therefore should also suffer from the reverse engineering problem you're
> raising.
> 
> Oops!! Didn't have brains to think of gcc when my friend said it. :).My
> bad.
> Thanks for pointing out the difference between a 'language'   and
> 'Implementation'.
> 
> >>This is subjective. I personally think it's mainly marketing (Java had
> 
> Sun and C# had MS). This leads to secondary effects like certifications
> (which are useful for >>>non-tech hiring managers to evaluate potential
> employees), availability of 'resources' (since most engineering grads
> jump onto the now popular language in the >>>>hope of getting a job)
> Ok.My Question is..
> What was   PSF's  in general, Guido's  in particular thoughts about
> marketing  python?
> And I heard Perl's marketing  was excellent.How did  they  manage it
> with limited funds?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> 

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Feb  8 11:54:12 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:24:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002081624.12420.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:17:23 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> So to put it simply - there is no simple cut and dry answer. If you look
> beyond the Marketing and a bit of the resultant herd mentality, you will
> realise that most languages have a good sweetspot they manage to excel at.
> And thats what drives popularity
> 

excellent answer - but you should add that choice of language and platform is 
most often done by suits without domain knowledge and on extraneous 
considerations
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Feb  8 11:55:14 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:25:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>>If you look beyond the Marketing and a bit of the resultant herd
mentality, you will realise that most languages have a good sweetspot
they manage to excel at.


I never searched for it .But in what domains  Python is excellent
compared to other OOP languages?
I know that for AI ,you need to write code in LISP.
If you write AI application in Java,then  you selected a bad tool for
that particular  problem.
So pls answer me accordingly.

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:06:38 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:36:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] using IPython from pdb
In-Reply-To: <4B6FB2ED.8090803@lonetwin.net>
References: <7c42eba11002031613m10cd7f91ge571b85933c758cf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<cae1cffe1002060615l1ff35745u48e8945264849718@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e1002060909o3d3ab26kd62d8022e2daee21@mail.gmail.com> 
	<cae1cffe1002060939u31d84843w4dbea7f86e1a6060@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d4ab53de1002060950n686f5fe0m35c768713b03956c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B6FB2ED.8090803@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002080306u6aec9866k3b5df5fb140e8cae@mail.gmail.com>

@steve

Thanks :)

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 12:15 PM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:

> Hi Shashwat,
>
>
> On 02/06/2010 11:20 PM, Shashwat Anand wrote:
>
>> here is the bpython screencast : http://*bpython*-
>> interpreter.org/static/*
>> bpython*-screencast01.
>> ogg
>> It's worth trying.
>>
>
> +1. (Having tried both ipython and bpython, I prefer bpython mainly because
> of the cleaner interface (ie: no unnecessary whitespace/newlines) and the
> ability to show the doc strings as you type).
>
>
>  By the way does anyone want to share their customized Vi features with
>> respect to python. I am pretty much satisfied with my own but there is
>> always scope for improvements.
>>
>>  I assume you meant vim. If that assumption is correct, there isn't much
> python specific that I do except for adding...
>
> autocmd BufNewFile,BufRead *.py let python_highlight_all = 1
>
> ...to my ~/.vimrc. Read the comments at the top of vim's python syntax file
> (typically /usr/share/vim/vim<version>/syntax/python.vim on linux) to
> understand what that means.
>
> However, non-python specific, I like the following vim scripts for coding:
>
> taglist.vim [ http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273 ]
> supertab.vim [ http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1643 ]
> vcscommand.vim [ http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=90 ]
> NERD_tree.vim [ http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1658 ]
>
>
> cheers,
> - steve
> --
> random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
> tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
> what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/
>

From ankur at thinklabs.in  Mon Feb  8 12:10:49 2010
From: ankur at thinklabs.in (Ankur Gupta)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:40:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <fb5641801002080310y45fce7behe1396d3a952b888a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Python usage as a prototyping language is very high. Lot of ppl in Machine
Learning field use Python to prototype and test their algorithm against
small dataset and finally code the same in C++/Java for deployment. (Don't
want to get into what runs fast/slow flamewar plz).

Regards
Ankur

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> >>If you look beyond the Marketing and a bit of the resultant herd
> mentality, you will realise that most languages have a good sweetspot
> they manage to excel at.
>
>
> I never searched for it .But in what domains  Python is excellent
> compared to other OOP languages?
> I know that for AI ,you need to write code in LISP.
> If you write AI application in Java,then  you selected a bad tool for
> that particular  problem.
> So pls answer me accordingly.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:17:01 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:47:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002080317scc112bcs4cc2adfbb1438556@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
[..]
> I never searched for it .But in what domains ?Python is excellent
> compared to other OOP languages?

Glue apps.
It seems to have a foothold in web programming
Prototyping/Rapid development

I haven't seen a domain in which Python is an undisputed master (eg.
Perl for messy string parsing). It's quite general purpose.

> I know that for AI ,you need to write code in LISP.

You don't *need* to write code in lisp for AI. Lisp excels at symbol
manipulation which was once thought of as an important feature of an
intelligent system. That's why the link (also McCarthy) but there's no
*need*. I write lisp code to customise my editor and I've written
simple AI programs in C and Python.


> If you write AI application in Java,then ?you selected a bad tool for
> that particular ?problem.

Not really. Java can do quite well there too. The paradigm is
different and your effectiveness will vary.Also, "AI application" is
extremely vague.

 [..]
-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:20:07 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:50:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <201002081624.12420.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002081624.12420.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002080320q62e9fafg2437dd5812c0f7e2@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:17:23 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
>> So to put it simply - there is no simple cut and dry answer. If you look
>> beyond the Marketing and a bit of the resultant herd mentality, you will
>> realise that most languages have a good sweetspot they manage to excel at.
>> And thats what drives popularity
>>
>
> excellent answer - but you should add that choice of language and platform is
> most often done by suits without domain knowledge and on extraneous
> considerations[..]

The converse where 'hackers' don't understand the forces that drive
businesses is equally (if not more) true.

Managers who manage people and are answerable to customers and have to
worry about things like their superstar Python programmer deciding
that the manager spoke to him the wrong way and leaving the company.
He has to worry about being able to find talent, he has to worry about
how much to pay the people, existing codebases and tons of other
things that (more often than not), the 'rockstar programmer' misses
with his purely tech driven myopic view of the real world.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:24:44 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:54:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <201002081620.33904.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC56@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<201002081620.33904.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891002080324i4886c6a7i15f663b48f50fff7@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> could you fix your mail client please - the formatting is a mess and I
> cannot
> make out what is quoted and what is not
>
> Hmm.. begs the question what could I do about it .. its GMail web client :D

Not sure if I have a solution for that.

Dhananjay

> On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:07:19 pm Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote:
> > >>The fact that Python is open source is orthogonal to the fact that it
> >
> > compiles source into bytecode which can be decompiled. Also "Python"
> >
> > >>can't be open source. "Python" is a programming language. A concrete
> >
> > implementation (eg. CPython) can be open source.
> >
> >
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Feb  8 12:23:28 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:53:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002080317scc112bcs4cc2adfbb1438556@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<9963e56e1002080317scc112bcs4cc2adfbb1438556@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002081653.28326.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:47:01 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> You don't need to write code in lisp for AI. Lisp excels at symbol
> manipulation which was once thought of as an important feature of an
> intelligent system.
> 

I have written AI code in pascal
-- 
regards
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Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:28:12 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:58:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002080320q62e9fafg2437dd5812c0f7e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> > On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:17:23 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> >> So to put it simply - there is no simple cut and dry answer. If you look
> >> beyond the Marketing and a bit of the resultant herd mentality, you will
> >> realise that most languages have a good sweetspot they manage to excel
> at.
> >> And thats what drives popularity
> >>
> >
> > excellent answer - but you should add that choice of language and
> platform is
> > most often done by suits without domain knowledge and on extraneous
> > considerations[..]
>
> The converse where 'hackers' don't understand the forces that drive
> businesses is equally (if not more) true.
>
> Managers who manage people and are answerable to customers and have to
> worry about things like their superstar Python programmer deciding
> that the manager spoke to him the wrong way and leaving the company.
> He has to worry about being able to find talent, he has to worry about
> how much to pay the people, existing codebases and tons of other
> things that (more often than not), the 'rockstar programmer' misses
> with his purely tech driven myopic view of the real world.
>
>
> Good point.

There was a post I wrote along similar lines (thought this was in the
context of Scala)
http://blog.dhananjaynene.com/2009/08/why-should-i-switch-to-scala/

Some might consider it a digression but I thought it was important in the
context of the point brought out by Noufal.


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From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:28:47 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:58:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <fb5641801002080310y45fce7behe1396d3a952b888a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> 
	<fb5641801002080310y45fce7behe1396d3a952b888a@mail.gmail.com>
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<rant> Companies coming for hiring (campus-placement) never look the
knowledge of python as an additional advantage. Infact none of them care. I
check-listed the profile of all the 20+ companies which came and none of
them had to deal with anything python (except google, amazon, directi) and
even these three were indifferent towards python. One had to clear
written-round which consist of C/apti and then technical round consist of
C/C++/Java/DS/Algo/OS, finally HR round which is generally non-technical.
The skills they look for, python never fits into it.
Mine one of senior (at Amazon) suggested me "Go learn C++/ Java and improve
your DS/ Algo/ OS/OOP skills, and things of your interest can be done in
free time after you land a nice job." He does ruby stuff in his free time
and java at office.
Just wanted to say that for a student, who want ti get recruited via campus
placement knowledge of C/C++/Java is a must and the knowledge of python
doesn't even count. Sad :( </rant>


On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Ankur Gupta <ankur at thinklabs.in> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Python usage as a prototyping language is very high. Lot of ppl in Machine
> Learning field use Python to prototype and test their algorithm against
> small dataset and finally code the same in C++/Java for deployment. (Don't
> want to get into what runs fast/slow flamewar plz).
>
> Regards
> Ankur
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
> > >>If you look beyond the Marketing and a bit of the resultant herd
> > mentality, you will realise that most languages have a good sweetspot
> > they manage to excel at.
> >
> >
> > I never searched for it .But in what domains  Python is excellent
> > compared to other OOP languages?
> > I know that for AI ,you need to write code in LISP.
> > If you write AI application in Java,then  you selected a bad tool for
> > that particular  problem.
> > So pls answer me accordingly.
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:30:37 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:00:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> >>If you look beyond the Marketing and a bit of the resultant herd
> mentality, you will realise that most languages have a good sweetspot
> they manage to excel at.
>
>
> I never searched for it .But in what domains  Python is excellent
> compared to other OOP languages?
> I know that for AI ,you need to write code in LISP.
> If you write AI application in Java,then  you selected a bad tool for
> that particular  problem.
> So pls answer me accordingly.
>

I had once (and still continue to) make an argument for Python primarily
from the perspective of return on investment and business agility (though
there are a number of other arguments that could be made as well)

http://punetech.com/improve-your-web-based-software-development-and-maintenance-roi-with-dynamic-programming-languages/

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Feb  8 12:27:34 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:57:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002080320q62e9fafg2437dd5812c0f7e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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	<9963e56e1002080320q62e9fafg2437dd5812c0f7e2@mail.gmail.com>
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On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:50:07 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > excellent answer - but you should add that choice of language and
> > platform is most often done by suits without domain knowledge and on
> > extraneous considerations[..]
> 
> The converse where 'hackers' don't understand the forces that drive
> businesses is equally (if not more) true.
> 
> Managers who manage people and are answerable to customers and have to
> worry about things like their superstar Python programmer deciding
> that the manager spoke to him the wrong way and leaving the company.
> He has to worry about being able to find talent, he has to worry about
> how much to pay the people, existing codebases and tons of other
> things that (more often than not), the 'rockstar programmer' misses
> with his purely tech driven myopic view of the real world.
> 

precisely - so managers tend to follow the herd. No doubt python is more 
secure and useful than asp or whatever - but I can hire asp guys by the 
container load, whereas python guys are more difficult to come across. And also 
cost - TCS has 50,000 java programmers - what would it cost to retrain these 
guys (if they are retrainable) to python? In short, popularity is the last 
thing one should look at when evaluating a tool (unless one is a suit)

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Feb  8 12:30:03 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:00:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891002080324i4886c6a7i15f663b48f50fff7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC56@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<201002081620.33904.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<bf97ab891002080324i4886c6a7i15f663b48f50fff7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002081700.03485.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:54:44 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> > could you fix your mail client please - the formatting is a mess and I
> > cannot
> > make out what is quoted and what is not
> >
> > Hmm.. begs the question what could I do about it .. its GMail web client
> > :D
> 
> Not sure if I have a solution for that.
> 

I have never used gmail, but lakhs of people do use it and this problem does 
not occur. One question: have you set your line lenght to less than 72 
characters? maybe this is the cause. Otherwise there must be people here who 
can afford to use gmail who can give a clue.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:36:36 2010
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:06:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002080328q1bc4d82ei579446404627aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> 
	<fb5641801002080310y45fce7behe1396d3a952b888a@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:

> Mine one of senior (at Amazon) suggested me "Go learn C++/ Java and improve
> your DS/ Algo/ OS/OOP skills
>


On the other hand, I would like to point out that to really, really improve
your DS/Algo skills (two of the most important skills for a CS graduate,
IMO), python is a great language. You can learn, and prototype, and
experiment much faster than if you were to try the same thing in Java/C/C++
or (oh the horror!) PHP.

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Feb  8 12:34:54 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:04:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002080328q1bc4d82ei579446404627aa90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb5641801002080310y45fce7behe1396d3a952b888a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002080328q1bc4d82ei579446404627aa90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002081704.54312.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 08 Feb 2010 4:58:47 pm Shashwat Anand wrote:
> Just wanted to say that for a student, who want ti get recruited via campus
> placement knowledge of C/C++/Java is a must and the knowledge of python
> doesn't even count. Sad
> 

I would not say that - there is a demand in India for python programmers - my 
better people keep getting stolen.
-- 
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Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 12:44:23 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:14:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
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>
> On the other hand, I would like to point out that to really, really improve
> your DS/Algo skills (two of the most important skills for a CS graduate,
> IMO), python is a great language. You can learn, and prototype, and
> experiment much faster than if you were to try the same thing in Java/C/C++
> or (oh the horror!) PHP.
>

+sys.maxint
I do the same :)

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From jeff at taupro.com  Mon Feb  8 13:05:09 2010
From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 06:05:09 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC56@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC56@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote:
> 
>>> This is subjective. I personally think it's mainly marketing (Java had
> Sun and C# had MS). This leads to secondary effects like certifications
> (which are useful for >>>non-tech hiring managers to evaluate potential
> employees), availability of 'resources' (since most engineering grads
> jump onto the now popular language in the >>>>hope of getting a job)
> Ok.My Question is.. 
> What was   PSF's  in general, Guido's  in particular thoughts about
> marketing  python?
> And I heard Perl's marketing  was excellent.How did  they  manage it
> with limited funds?

As the former Python Advocacy Coordinator and a young member of the PSF
board I can speak to some of this.  The key part is defining what is
meant by "popular OOP language", which usually comes down to a language
being well-known in a *particular* (i.e. your personal) community.
Python is very popular in the biotech and science fields but less so in
traditional enterprise IT.

  - popular with whom?
  - high installed base or rapid adoption rate?
  - how popular is enough?
  - what compromises are acceptable in broadening the community?

In measuring popularity, there is also a big difference between "lots of
people -are- using it" (the installed base, e.g. C/C++, Perl, Python)
versus "lots of people are -starting- to use it" (the leading edge of
the wave of adoption, e.g. Ruby, Python).  Each affects the job and book
market in different ways.

There are various forces at play here, opposing one another.  I'm not
taking sides - only saying they exist.

Some believe Python needs certification in order to play in the field of
general IT recruiting, to help HR pick those with knowledge.  Others
think certification devalues a language, so that people play games to
get their 'ticket' rather than really learn the language and become good
at it.  The community consensus is to NOT support certification in order
to maintain the quality of Python programmers even though it may keep
the quantity down by discouraging those with weak knowledge from entering.

Another force is between those who want to keep their adoption of Python
a secret, in order to be agile in the marketplace and use it as a secret
weapon, and those who want to yell it from the rooftops in order to
maximize the market for their skills.  The force of secrecy has weakened
and Python is becoming better known.  The force of secrecy applies to
any language, btw.  C was a (pseudo) secret of Bell Labs, giving them an
edge.

Yet another force, a strong one, are those who strongly dislike
promotion and advertising, of -anything- perhaps due to their
experiences with traditional marketing types, SPAM and late night TV
commercials.  They feel the basic *idea* of promotion is unethical and
has no place in open source or professional IT.  They believe that an
excellent product or technology will win by being better and if it does
not, then it really wasn't that good.  And that attempting to spread the
word is unfair tilting of the playing field and would only result in a
popularity contest, not a true comparison of value.

The strength of Python is the broad base of the problem domains it fits
into.  Python is strong in astronomy, biology, physics (search for
SciPy).  It's also strong in databases but just not very exciting there
and needs a PR story/push.  In the movie industry Python is very popular
for graphic manipulation and managing media assets of huge size (lots of
activity in New Zealand's movie industry).  Python is also strong and
getting stronger in the scripting of applications; Gimp, Inkscape,
Gajim, OpenOffice.org, Firefox, etc.

I suppose if I had to point to one challenge for Python it would be the
web.  I can hear people yelling at me now, but Python has such a
diversity of web frameworks that rather than being a strength it causes
newcomers to be overwhelmed by choice.  There are psych tests that
people asked to choose among a large set experience stress and often
pick the first or most popular choice, regardless.  Unlike say Ruby, we
do not speak with one voice where the web is concerned, although we do
in other popular areas.  A solution to this I think would be to pull
together a "Guide to Choosing a Web Technology for Python" website.

There are lots of theories for the many frameworks, one being that
Python is such fun to program in that everyone wants to try their hand
at creating one.  Another is that Python attracts those who enjoy
creating cool intricate tools but aren't so good at communicating those
ideas to others.  You can see this with many Python technical websites
compared to those for other languages.  The core sites for Python
software in general are just not very compelling in their message (e.g.
look at www.zope.org for one example).

That's enough writing for now but there are others factors such as the
lack of a corporate presence like Sun and Microsoft in traditional IT
and the lack of a strong push into educational markets that those
corporate types tend to seek in order to influence IT when they graduate
and enter industry.

None of my words are an official statement of the PSF or any other
organization I associate with, but only my opinion resulting in many
discussions about this topic.

-Jeff

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 13:27:28 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:57:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <ce7f20c61002080336p2ae5f39br464736a9a707a52b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC6B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<fb5641801002080310y45fce7behe1396d3a952b888a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002080328q1bc4d82ei579446404627aa90@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Mine one of senior (at Amazon) suggested me "Go learn C++/ Java and
> improve
> > your DS/ Algo/ OS/OOP skills
> >
>
>
>
 That is a wrong notion and should be corrected immediately. Your
algorithmic skills have nothing to do with the language you choose to
implement your code in. Algorithmic skills boils down to the extent
of your knowledge in algorithms and the time you have spent to
read and practice on the subject. And like a previous author, I would
say that Python is perhaps a better tool at this since you can
learn and try new algorithms in Python at a fraction of the time
it takes to implement the same in say Java/C++.

With respect to data structures the language does matter - for
example the returns in implementing a linked list in Python are
not much since the high level structures like lists and dictionaries
make such a data structure redundant in Python but the returns
in terms of knowledge gained is more say in C/C++ since you
learn to understand pointers that much.

However a language like Python exposes so many different patterns
to the developer that it offers you different ways of solving the
same problem. Say "co-routines" to your typical C/C++ programmer
who doesn't explore beyond his confines and he gawks at you.
Say the same thing to a Python developer and he quickly shows
you the fibonacci example using generators :)



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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 13:55:09 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:25:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31002080427m319d380fpbc0470463d5d1bbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891002080247s41c7cbeepa9ec5870bb8046c0@mail.gmail.com>
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	<fb5641801002080310y45fce7behe1396d3a952b888a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002080328q1bc4d82ei579446404627aa90@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Mine one of senior (at Amazon) suggested me "Go learn C++/ Java and
> > improve
> > > your DS/ Algo/ OS/OOP skills
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>  That is a wrong notion and should be corrected immediately. Your
> algorithmic skills have nothing to do with the language you choose to
> implement your code in. Algorithmic skills boils down to the extent
> of your knowledge in algorithms and the time you have spent to
> read and practice on the subject.
>

Hmm .. I wonder if algorithmic skills would remain independent of the host
language choice (for sake of comparison I offer PHP and Lisp as the two
options).

Algorithms in principle and their articulation in a host language are two
different aspects and the latter is not language independent. Just using
python, I still find myself struggling much harder to write algorithms using
functional constructs as opposed to OO constructs (not to mention the
occasional frown when I use reduce()). There is an interplay between
algorithms and language (and in the case I just mentioned the choice of
language constructs). If my focus was primarily learning algorithms, I might
just give python the pass and head over to Lisp or Haskell.

Dhananjay

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From arunvr at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 18:42:29 2010
From: arunvr at gmail.com (Arun Ravindran)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:12:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Regarding Python popularity
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DC2F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <c594d5371002080942l4355a982t2e300bbc7d14ea36@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


> 1.The other day my friend was saying ;Since python is opensource ,so

many companies fear that their product's byte code

could be reverse engineered.To protect  their Intellectual Property

rights they stay away from python,

is it true?


If the company in question has great concerns abt intellectual property,
then they should consider developing it as a web-based application with most
of the functionality on the server side

Any executable can be decompiled, not just bytecodes. In fact, Java is quite
easy to reverse compile. But this has not stopped hundreds of enterprises
from adopting Java.

2.What hinders python from becoming  a popular OOP language,like a

Java,C#,C++?

is it just slowness of python or dynamic language or Marketing?

I would like to know .


I would like to turn this question around. What are the advantages of
popularity? The availability of skilled resources increases and the amount
of development/tools in python increases. The former is not always a good
thing. There are plenty of Java /.NET coderz out there, but its very hard to
sift through and find the good ones.

Today, if someone claims to be a python programmer and has a decent level of
expertise, I can almost guarantee that he is passionate about programming.
The reason being that he decided to swim against the current and learn a
relatively less mainstream language.

There is a reason why Haskellers use the phrase 'Avoid Success at All
Costs'. Success is great up to a point, but then it becomes a curse. See
Java for instance :)

Still I believe python is not a niche language. The community is big enough
to help out newbies and intermediate level programmers. There are lots of
great tools, libraries and frameworks. It's truly wonderful.

Regards,
Arun



On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Feb  9 05:52:36 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:22:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD0C@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

I have written  four solutions to a problem(self explanatory) ,out of
them ,which one is the  pythonic way of doing  and 
is there any other ways of solving it?
 
 
1.sum([i for i in range(1000) if i%3==0 or i%5==0])

2.gen=(i for i in range(1000))
   sum([i for i in gen if i%3==0 or i%5==0])
 
3.sum(filter(lambda a:a%3==0 or a%5==0,range(1000)))
 
4.def generator(m):
        count=0
        while count<m:
                 if count%3==0 or count%5==0:
                     yield count
                 count+=1
sum([i for i in generator(1000)])
 
Regards,
~ Srini T
 

From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 06:07:55 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:37:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD0C@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD0C@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb1002082107k7fb68cc2m8f0e1f63080a305a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> I have written ?four solutions to a problem(self explanatory) ,out of
> them ,which one is the ?pythonic way of doing ?and
> is there any other ways of solving it?
>
>
> 1.sum([i for i in range(1000) if i%3==0 or i%5==0])
>
> 2.gen=(i for i in range(1000))
> ? sum([i for i in gen if i%3==0 or i%5==0])
>
> 3.sum(filter(lambda a:a%3==0 or a%5==0,range(1000)))
>
> 4.def generator(m):
> ? ? ? ?count=0
> ? ? ? ?while count<m:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? if count%3==0 or count%5==0:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? yield count
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? count+=1
> sum([i for i in generator(1000)])

#1.

You can even remove the square brackets.

sum(i for i in range(1000) if i%3==0 or i%5==0)

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 06:14:42 2010
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:44:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD0C@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD0C@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <ce7f20c61002082114n6530f779j51ae570abfcba59b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> 1.sum([i for i in range(1000) if i%3==0 or i%5==0])
>

Slightly better would be:
  sum((i for i in range(1000) if i%3==0 or i%5==0))


> 2.gen=(i for i in range(1000))
>   sum([i for i in gen if i%3==0 or i%5==0])
>

What I gave above is a better way of doing this


> 3.sum(filter(lambda a:a%3==0 or a%5==0,range(1000)))
>

avoid lambda's whenever possible. they are difficult to understand, and can
be avoided in most cases. Even Guido dislikes them.


> 4.def generator(m):
>        count=0
>        while count<m:
>                 if count%3==0 or count%5==0:
>                     yield count
>                 count+=1
> sum([i for i in generator(1000)])
>

Overkill.

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Feb  9 06:22:58 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:52:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
In-Reply-To: <ce7f20c61002082114n6530f779j51ae570abfcba59b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD48@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

 
Thanks for the replies and I avoid using lambdas..
Btw,Shall I avoid using filter and map ?
Because what ever filter and map do,I could seem to do the same with
Listcomprehensions..
Is there any situation in which they fare better than list
comprehensions?

Regards,
~ Srini T

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 06:45:07 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:15:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD48@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <ce7f20c61002082114n6530f779j51ae570abfcba59b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD48@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <cae1cffe1002082145y419e5563l37943eef9eb6a1b4@mail.gmail.com>

filter, map (reduce, any, all) come from the world of Functional
Programming. For that matter list comprehension was borrowed from FP
(haskell).

I wont attempt to compare them as they cater to different needs. Yes, they
overlap in certain areas but I'd like to think of them as seperate assets
suited for different needs.

For simple stuff, List Comprehension offers superior readability but it can
get too much too fast if you start chaining a lot.

Do not overlook the power of filter, map as they _are_ valuable tools in
your everyday programming.

jeff

PS: If it interests you, read about MapReduce that Google use to come up
with lightening fast search results. yes. mapreduce = map + reduce. simple,
effective, elegant.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for the replies and I avoid using lambdas..
> Btw,Shall I avoid using filter and map ?
> Because what ever filter and map do,I could seem to do the same with
> Listcomprehensions..
> Is there any situation in which they fare better than list
> comprehensions?
>
> Regards,
> ~ Srini T
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From steve at lonetwin.net  Tue Feb  9 07:34:16 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:04:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb1002082107k7fb68cc2m8f0e1f63080a305a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD0C@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<41139fcb1002082107k7fb68cc2m8f0e1f63080a305a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B7101E8.9010509@lonetwin.net>

On 02/09/2010 10:37 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> [...snip...]
> #1.
>
> You can even remove the square brackets.
>
> sum(i for i in range(1000) if i%3==0 or i%5==0)

Yes, you can but that doesn't necessarily mean it is better. Interestingly, 
something similar was discussed at comp.lang.python:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/7897bf3fd2298332/26247987f84cc484


cheers,
- steve
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 07:48:14 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:18:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD48@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <ce7f20c61002082114n6530f779j51ae570abfcba59b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD48@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002082248k3b4014epfa17ab09838a4fdb@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for the replies and I avoid using lambdas..
> Btw,Shall I avoid using filter and map ?
> Because what ever filter and map do,I could seem to do the same with
> Listcomprehensions..
> Is there any situation in which they fare better than list
> comprehensions?
>

   map, filter, reduce at al are orders slower when compared to
   list comprehensions, cuz each invocation of these cost one
   function call, whereas list comprehensions are optimized in
   the language.

  For example,

 >>> def f1(): [i for i in range(1000) if i % 3 == 0]
...
 >>> def f2(): filter(lambda x: x%3==0, range(1000))

 And using timeit,

>>> mytimeit.Timeit(f1, number=10000)
'211.47 usec/pass'
>>> mytimeit.Timeit(f2, number=10000)
'319.08 usec/pass'

The only advantage of map, filter etc over list comprehensions is
that they are sometimes concise over the equivalent list
comprehensions, when combined with already defined functions.

For example,

>>> [ x for x in range(1000) if (x%3==0) or (x%5==0)]
>>> def f(x): (x%3==) or (y %5==0)
>>> map(f, range(1000))

But again, keep in mind that these are much slower when compared
to the list comprehension or generator equivalent.

There are a few cases when a map function looks more "elegant"
when compared to the equivalent list comp.

For example, let us say you want to add together two lists.

>>> l1=range(5, 10)
>>> l2=range(10, 15)

>>> map(lambda x,y: x+y, l1, l2)
[15, 17, 19, 21, 23]

There is no direct way to do this in list comp except taking
the help of "zip".

>>> [a+b for a,b in zip(l1,l2)]
[15, 17, 19, 21, 23]

But practicality beats purity. Given a choice, I will always use the
latter instead of the former, irrespective of the "elegance", which
is questionable and subjective anyway :)


> Regards,
> ~ Srini T
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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Feb  9 08:04:45 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:34:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31002082248k3b4014epfa17ab09838a4fdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DD81@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>> But practicality beats purity. Given a choice, I will always use the
latter instead of the former, irrespective of the "elegance", which is
questionable and subjective anyway :)

Shall I say,Go with your personal preference in personal
projects,provided  milliseconds performance is not a constraint.
If u work for an employer and there are guidelines...Go with them.
But always Use your head because there seems to be  tons of  diverse
opinions ranging from lambda's to everything in python and am confused
at which to follow.





Regards,
~ Srini T

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 08:41:51 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:11:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
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	<4B710FDC.7070405@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Thanks for the replies and I avoid using lambdas..
> Btw,Shall I avoid using filter and map ?
> Because what ever filter and map do,I could seem to do the same with
> Listcomprehensions..
> Is there any situation in which they fare better than list
> comprehensions?
>
>
>
>     map, filter, reduce at al are orders slower when compared to
>    list comprehensions, cuz each invocation of these cost one
>    function call, whereas list comprehensions are optimized in
>    the language.
>
>   For example,
>
>  >>> def f1(): [i for i in range(1000) if i % 3 == 0]
> ...
>  >>> def f2(): filter(lambda x: x%3==0, range(1000))
>
>  And using timeit,
>
>
>
>   mytimeit.Timeit(f1, number=10000)
>
>
>   '211.47 usec/pass'
>
>
>   mytimeit.Timeit(f2, number=10000)
>
>
>   '319.08 usec/pass'
>
> The only advantage of map, filter etc over list comprehensions is
> that they are sometimes concise over the equivalent list
> comprehensions, when combined with already defined functions.
>
> For example,
>
>
>
>   [ x for x in range(1000) if (x%3==0) or (x%5==0)]
> def f(x): (x%3==) or (y %5==0)
> map(f, range(1000))
>
>
>   But again, keep in mind that these are much slower when compared
> to the list comprehension or generator equivalent.
>
> There are a few cases when a map function looks more "elegant"
> when compared to the equivalent list comp.
>
> For example, let us say you want to add together two lists.
>
>
>
>   l1=range(5, 10)
> l2=range(10, 15)
>
>
>       map(lambda x,y: x+y, l1, l2)
>
>
>   [15, 17, 19, 21, 23]
>
> There is no direct way to do this in list comp except taking
> the help of "zip".
>
>
>
>   [a+b for a,b in zip(l1,l2)]
>
>
>   [15, 17, 19, 21, 23]
>
> But practicality beats purity. Given a choice, I will always use the
> latter instead of the former, irrespective of the "elegance", which
> is questionable and subjective anyway :)
>
>
>  Interestingly in my computations the second approach (zip) is about 35%
> slower (as measured over 5 runs of 1M iterations each) than the first one
> (map/lambda). I believe the performance argument should be a bit nuanced.
> The earlier example you demonstrated with list comprehension is faster due
> to the fact that the if condition (and only the if condition alone - which
> is the equivalent of filter) is inlined vs being a function call. For other
> scenarios not involving a filter, I suspect performance could vary either
> way. I would rephrase the earlier statement as follows :
>
> map, filter, reduce at al are *is** *orders slower when compared to
>    list comprehensions, cuz each invocation of these cost one
>    function call, whereas list comprehensions are optimized in
>    the language.
>
>
I was incorrect above .. there are clearly other situations where the
benefits of inlining occur apart from the filter function . The statement
rephrasing is incorrect

>
>     Regards,
> ~ Srini T
> _______________________________________________
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>
>


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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 09:02:30 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:32:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which one is the best pythonic way .
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >  Interestingly in my computations the second approach (zip) is about 35%
> > slower (as measured over 5 runs of 1M iterations each) than the first one
> > (map/lambda). I believe the performance argument should be a bit nuanced.
> > The earlier example you demonstrated with list comprehension is faster
> due
> > to the fact that the if condition (and only the if condition alone -
> which
> > is the equivalent of filter) is inlined vs being a function call. For
> other
> > scenarios not involving a filter, I suspect performance could vary either
> > way. I would rephrase the earlier statement as follows :
>

 It is slower because it makes an inline function call to zip (zip is a
builtin
 function). If you want your list comprehensions to be as performance
 optimized as possible, avoid calling functions in them.

 I was using that example to illustrate the apparent "elegance" of the
 map solution, not for comparing performances. In this case the map
 one could work out to be as good as the list comp one or faster because
 of the cost of the function call incurred due to "zip".

 In this case, if you want the best performance, just use the itertools
 version of zip, i.e izip.

 Here are some comparisons.

 >>> def f1(): return [(x+y) for x,y in itertools.izip(l1,l2)]
...
>>> def f2(): return [x+y for x,y in zip(l1,l2)]
...
>>> def f3(): return map(lambda x,y: x+y, l1,l2)

>>> mytimeit.Timeit(f1, number=10000)
'1.93 usec/pass'
>>> mytimeit.Timeit(f2, number=10000)
'2.26 usec/pass'
>>> mytimeit.Timeit(f3, number=10000)
'2.40 usec/pass'

f1 is the best performer, followed by f2, but f3 is not very bad
either when compared to f2, due to the extra function call cost
incurred in the list comprehension in f2.


>
> > map, filter, reduce at al are *is** *orders slower when compared to
> >    list comprehensions, cuz each invocation of these cost one
> >    function call, whereas list comprehensions are optimized in
> >    the language.
> >
> >
> I was incorrect above .. there are clearly other situations where the
> benefits of inlining occur apart from the filter function . The statement
> rephrasing is incorrect
>
> >
> >     Regards,
> > ~ Srini T
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Feb  9 11:22:47 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:52:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
Message-ID: <201002091552.48183.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

any easy way of finding out whether a given date is between two other dates?
-- 
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Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From hartror at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 11:48:02 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:48:02 +1100
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <201002091552.48183.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201002091552.48183.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <2ce9d06b1002090248y69354f36j207ee056cc4cb76@mail.gmail.com>

It is nice and easy thankfully.

datetime.date and datetime.datetime both support < > operators

So:

if startdate < date and date < enddate:

    print "date in range"


http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> hi,
>
> any easy way of finding out whether a given date is between two other
> dates?
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Feb  9 11:49:49 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:19:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <2ce9d06b1002090248y69354f36j207ee056cc4cb76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201002091552.48183.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<2ce9d06b1002090248y69354f36j207ee056cc4cb76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002091619.49311.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 09 Feb 2010 4:18:02 pm Rory Hart wrote:
> if startdate < date and date < enddate:
> 
>     print "date in range"
> 

that is what I was doing - too verbose, wanted to know if I could use 'in'.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From pythonic at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 12:17:08 2010
From: pythonic at gmail.com (Shekhar)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:47:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <201002091619.49311.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201002091552.48183.lawgon@au-kbc.org>	<2ce9d06b1002090248y69354f36j207ee056cc4cb76@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002091619.49311.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <4B714434.2070106@gmail.com>

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 Feb 2010 4:18:02 pm Rory Hart wrote:
>   
>> if startdate < date and date < enddate:
>>
>>     print "date in range"
>>
>>     
more compact
is_in_range = startdate < date < enddate

>
> that is what I was doing - too verbose, wanted to know if I could use 'in'.
>   


From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Feb  9 12:21:00 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:51:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <4B714434.2070106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDC2@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>


>>more compact is_in_range   startdate < date < enddate

I am very much interested to know how the above expression is evaluated
in compiler?
If the compiler evaluates left to right  ,startdate<date becomes True or
false depending on the values and 
Now, my question is how this  (True/Flase < enddate) will be evaluated
since they are of different types?
Or am I missing something?



Regards,
~ Srini T

From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 12:33:33 2010
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:03:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDC2@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4B714434.2070106@gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDC2@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2781002090333r354c9919ved13c741c4b6d4c9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 16:51, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
>>>more compact is_in_range ? startdate < date < enddate
>
> I am very much interested to know how the above expression is evaluated
> in compiler?
> If the compiler evaluates left to right ?,startdate<date becomes True or
> false depending on the values and
> Now, my question is how this ?(True/Flase < enddate) will be evaluated
> since they are of different types?
> Or am I missing something?
>
http://docs.python.org/reference/expressions.html#notin

<quote>
Formally, if a, b, c, ..., y, z  are expressions and op1, op2, ...,
opN are comparison operators, then a op1 b  op2 c ... y opN  z is
equivalent to a op1 b and  b op2 c and ...  y opN z, except that each
expression is evaluated at most once.
</quote>

Roshan

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Feb  9 12:33:11 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:03:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <4B714434.2070106@gmail.com>
References: <201002091552.48183.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<201002091619.49311.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <4B714434.2070106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002091703.11937.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 09 Feb 2010 4:47:08 pm Shekhar wrote:
> > On Tuesday 09 Feb 2010 4:18:02 pm Rory Hart wrote:
> >   
> >
> >> if startdate < date and date < enddate:
> >>
> >>     print "date in range"
> >>
> >>     
> 
> more compact
> is_in_range = startdate < date < enddate
> 

if stardate<=date<=enddate:
    print 'success'
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Feb  9 12:37:41 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:07:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2781002090333r354c9919ved13c741c4b6d4c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDC5@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

 
>>Formally, if a, b, c, ..., y, z  are expressions and op1, op2, ...,
opN are comparison operators, then a op1 b  op2 c ... y opN  z is
equivalent to a op1 b and  b op2 c and ...  y opN z, except that each
expression is evaluated at most once.


Ok..Got it...
Especially last sentence caught my eye..
Does the python compiler behaves same for below expression also?

1.If(a<b and b<c):
      
My guess  is, it behaves the same but just wanna double check..


Regards,
~ Srini T


From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 12:56:59 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:26:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDC5@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <1c4dc2781002090333r354c9919ved13c741c4b6d4c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDC5@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002090356p78ad0b0fu34d8b03941ab35df@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
>>>Formally, if a, b, c, ..., y, z ?are expressions and op1, op2, ...,
> opN are comparison operators, then a op1 b ?op2 c ... y opN ?z is
> equivalent to a op1 b and ?b op2 c and ... ?y opN z, except that each
> expression is evaluated at most once.
>
>
> Ok..Got it...
> Especially last sentence caught my eye..
> Does the python compiler behaves same for below expression also?
>
> 1.If(a<b and b<c):
>
> My guess ?is, it behaves the same but just wanna double check..

With this, I think it's possible that 'b' might be evaluated more than
once. Perhaps if it's an object property or something.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 13:17:50 2010
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:47:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDC5@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <1c4dc2781002090333r354c9919ved13c741c4b6d4c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDC5@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2781002090417q24b07582qd5c5ec6b9dc07e8c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 17:07, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> Ok..Got it...
> Especially last sentence caught my eye..
> Does the python compiler behaves same for below expression also?
>
> 1.If(a<b and b<c):
>
> My guess ?is, it behaves the same but just wanna double check..
>
You want to know if "b" is evaluated only once?  No.   The (a < b) has
nothing to do with the (b < c), the docs say that

a < b < c

is equivalent to

a < b and b < c

*except that* b is evaluated only once.

That's the difference.

Roshan

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Feb  9 13:18:14 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:48:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2781002090417q24b07582qd5c5ec6b9dc07e8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDD7@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>>a < b < c   is equivalent to   a < b and b < c   *except that* b is
evaluated only once.  

Do mean to say that evaluating b only once applies to  a<b<c expression
only.
NOT for expressions like   a<b  and b<c.



Regards,
~ Srini T

Roshan
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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Feb  9 13:23:00 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 17:53:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDD7@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDD9@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

 
>>a < b < c   is equivalent to   a < b and b < c   *except that* b is
evaluated only once.  


<correction>
Did u  mean to say that evaluating b only once applies to  a<b<c
expression only,NOT for expressions like   a<b  and b<c.?
</correction>



Regards,
~ Srini T

From admin.nitjece at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 17:07:57 2010
From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 21:37:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Trouble installing psycopg2 in Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <aedece081002090807t5595e245q76f0366aa1fb539d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am trying to use the psycopg2 library to connect to Postgres database.
However, on importing psycopg2, I get the following error.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 60, in
<module>
    from psycopg2._psycopg import BINARY, NUMBER, STRING, DATETIME, ROWID
ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so,
2): Symbol not found: _PQbackendPID
  Referenced from: /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so
  Expected in: flat namespace
 in /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so

The various software versions that I have on my system are -

Python 2.6.1
PostGres 8.4
psycopg2-2.0.13

I have tried installing libpqxx on my system too. Can some one help me with
this??

-- 
Thanks,
Diptanu Choudhury
Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India
Mobile - 09886760964
Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu

From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 17:37:45 2010
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:07:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDD9@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDD7@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDD9@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2781002090837ie5794cayc73c8048e12b8c3e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 17:53, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
>>>a < b < c ? is equivalent to ? a < b and b < c ? *except that* b is
> evaluated only once.
>
>
> <correction>
> Did u ?mean to say that evaluating b only once applies to ?a<b<c
> expression only,NOT for expressions like ? a<b ?and b<c.?
> </correction>
>
Assuming you're talking to me, then yeah, that's what I was saying.
But that was then.  Now I think that the statement in the reference
meant that while in "a < b < c" it is guaranteed that b is evaluated
only once, in "a < b and b < c" b may or maynot be evaluated once.
But then, that was what I was thinking when I started writing that
sentence.  Now I wonder if it is as ambiguous as that.  What happens
if b is something with side effects?

Roshan

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Tue Feb  9 18:06:56 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:06:56 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Trouble installing psycopg2 in Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <aedece081002090807t5595e245q76f0366aa1fb539d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aedece081002090807t5595e245q76f0366aa1fb539d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b71002090906nc914beand030cfa371cea807@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Diptanu Choudhury
<admin.nitjece at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2): Symbol not found: _PQbackendPID

Looks like a 32/64 bit related mixup.

See:http://stubblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/installing-psycopg2-on-osx/

Report back if you had any success.

From admin.nitjece at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 20:09:39 2010
From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:39:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Trouble installing psycopg2 in Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b71002090906nc914beand030cfa371cea807@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aedece081002090807t5595e245q76f0366aa1fb539d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b71002090906nc914beand030cfa371cea807@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aedece081002091109s52e5261j310a9cf1952b600e@mail.gmail.com>

I followed the instructions there. I get the following error now -

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/psycopg2/__init__.py", line 60, in
<module>
    from psycopg2._psycopg import BINARY, NUMBER, STRING, DATETIME, ROWID
ImportError: dlopen(/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so,
2): Symbol not found: _error_message
  Referenced from: /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so
  Expected in: flat namespace
 in /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/psycopg2/_psycopg.so

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Diptanu Choudhury
> <admin.nitjece at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2): Symbol not found: _PQbackendPID
>
> Looks like a 32/64 bit related mixup.
>
> See:http://stubblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/installing-psycopg2-on-osx/
>
> Report back if you had any success.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks,
Diptanu Choudhury
Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India
Mobile - 09886760964
Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Wed Feb 10 05:07:42 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:37:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2781002090837ie5794cayc73c8048e12b8c3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDFB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

 
It's called TWICE  , no matter with or without side effects.
I asked this on SO,somebody came up with this answer!

>>> def check():
	print 'Called Once'
	return 2

>>> 1<check()<3
Called Once
True
>>> 1<check() and check()<3
Called Once
Called Once
True
>>> 

Happy Hacking.

Regards,
~ Srini T

From nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 12:47:42 2010
From: nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com (nikunj badjatya)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:17:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] "Error :Attempt to overwrite cell" while using xlwt to
	create excel sheets
Message-ID: <f42f4d921002100347v45468113j773ddffd1f07aca1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I am using xlwt 0.7.2 and Python 2.6.
I come across a situation wherein one of the "rows" of the excel sheet
created was being overwritten. And it was flagging the following
error.

File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/xlwt/Row.py", line 150,
in insert_cell
     raise Exception(msg)
Exception: Attempt to overwrite cell

*Action Taken:*
I commented out the "raise Exception" statement in Row.py library
module.
Here's the (line no. 150 ) of Row.py which i have edited:

  def insert_cell(self, col_index, cell_obj):
        if col_index in self.__cells:
            if not self.__parent._cell_overwrite_ok:
                msg = "Attempt to overwrite cell: sheetname=%r rowx=%d
colx=%d" \
                    % (self.__parent.name, self.__idx, col_index)
                *#raise Exception(msg)
#########*commented to avoid error. *
            prev_cell_obj = self.__cells[col_index]
            sst_idx = getattr(prev_cell_obj, 'sst_idx', None)
            if sst_idx is not None:
                self.__parent_wb.del_str(sst_idx)
        self.__cells[col_index] = cell_obj

The excel sheet creation code now works fine.

*My question is, Instead of manually goin to /usr/lib/.../row.py and
commenting out the line, Can this be done through few lines of code in
my program itself. ??* As in if I use my program on different system,
then again I have to comment out that line in row.py..!!
Any suggestions??
Thanks,
Nikunj
Bangalore, India

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 13:22:48 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:52:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] "Error :Attempt to overwrite cell" while using
	xlwt to create excel sheets
In-Reply-To: <f42f4d921002100347v45468113j773ddffd1f07aca1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f42f4d921002100347v45468113j773ddffd1f07aca1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb1002100422i65b882cj96218fe6c7650a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:17 PM, nikunj badjatya
<nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am using xlwt 0.7.2 and Python 2.6.
> I come across a situation wherein one of the "rows" of the excel sheet
> created was being overwritten. And it was flagging the following
> error.
>
> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/xlwt/Row.py", line 150,
> in insert_cell
> ? ? raise Exception(msg)
> Exception: Attempt to overwrite cell
>
> *Action Taken:*
> I commented out the "raise Exception" statement in Row.py library
> module.
> Here's the (line no. 150 ) of Row.py which i have edited:
>
> ?def insert_cell(self, col_index, cell_obj):
> ? ? ? ?if col_index in self.__cells:
> ? ? ? ? ? ?if not self.__parent._cell_overwrite_ok:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?msg = "Attempt to overwrite cell: sheetname=%r rowx=%d
> colx=%d" \
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?% (self.__parent.name, self.__idx, col_index)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?*#raise Exception(msg)
> #########*commented to avoid error. *
> ? ? ? ? ? ?prev_cell_obj = self.__cells[col_index]
> ? ? ? ? ? ?sst_idx = getattr(prev_cell_obj, 'sst_idx', None)
> ? ? ? ? ? ?if sst_idx is not None:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.__parent_wb.del_str(sst_idx)
> ? ? ? ?self.__cells[col_index] = cell_obj
>
> The excel sheet creation code now works fine.
>
> *My question is, Instead of manually goin to /usr/lib/.../row.py and
> commenting out the line, Can this be done through few lines of code in
> my program itself. ??* As in if I use my program on different system,
> then again I have to comment out that line in row.py..!!
> Any suggestions??

Try setting:

worksheet._cell_overwrite_ok = True

Looks like you can do that even when adding new sheets.

sheet = workbook.add_sheet("foo", cell_overwrite_ok=True)

Anand

From kent37 at tds.net  Wed Feb 10 13:43:25 2010
From: kent37 at tds.net (Kent Johnson)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:43:25 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] [Tutor] "Error :Attempt to overwrite cell" while
	using xlwt to create excel sheets
In-Reply-To: <f42f4d921002100347v45468113j773ddffd1f07aca1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f42f4d921002100347v45468113j773ddffd1f07aca1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c2a2c591002100443i3fe03e45r2b57c69d83f5c037@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:47 AM, nikunj badjatya
<nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com> wrote:

> I commented out the "raise Exception" statement in Row.py library
> module.
> Here's the (line no. 150 ) of Row.py which i have edited:
>
> ? def insert_cell(self, col_index, cell_obj):
> ? ? ? ? if col_index in self.__cells:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? if not self.__parent._cell_overwrite_ok:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? msg = "Attempt to overwrite cell: sheetname=%r rowx=%d
> colx=%d" \
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? % (self.__parent.name, self.__idx, col_index)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? #raise Exception(msg)
> #########*commented to avoid error.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? prev_cell_obj = self.__cells[col_index]
> ? ? ? ? ? ? sst_idx = getattr(prev_cell_obj, 'sst_idx', None)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? if sst_idx is not None:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? self.__parent_wb.del_str(sst_idx)
> ? ? ? ? self.__cells[col_index] = cell_obj
>
> The excel sheet creation code now works fine.
>
> My question is, Instead of manually goin to /usr/lib/.../row.py and
> commenting out the line, Can this be done through few lines of code in
> my program itself. ??

Looking at the code above, you can see that the exception is raised
only if self.__parent._cell_overwrite_ok is False. So there is an
option to allow overwriting.

>From the error message it appears that self.__parent is a Worksheet.
Looking at the source code for Worksheet.py, the __init__() method
does have an optional cell_overwrite_ok= parameter. This parameter is
also available in Workbook.add_sheet(). So if you pass
cell_overwrite=True to add_sheet() you should be OK.

Kent

From philippe.may at hanjinet.org  Wed Feb 10 19:17:08 2010
From: philippe.may at hanjinet.org (Philippe May)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:47:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
	(steve)
Message-ID: <7B421666-398A-40CA-ACE7-E6D8D127BCCA@hanjinet.org>

Hi,

Sorry for late reply.

I'm a French living in Bangalore, currently working for an Indian firm (actually a subsidiary of a French consulting company).
I had the same idea when i came here first, so let me share my experience.

It is not easy for a foreigner to get a local job, firms usually won't consider you unless they have a good reason to do so, like facing a western customer (initially my case). And this schema is not the one commonly chosen by the local main players: they usually hire foreigners only in their own country to win the trust of their customers, while the "real" job is made here by indian teams. Playing only on your technical skills is a miss imho.

The expats who live here are usually on short term basis, trustful employees sent here for starting up a local project. I don't think it's possible to come to India as an independent worker either.

So the first problem is to step in: almost the only way is to come on tourist visa, which legally forbids you to look for a job or do any business related activity.
Maybe an option could be: come and set up your own company (for example private limited), there should be no big problem in doing so if you are very patient with paper work, then get the status of employed director (you need another director too). A local chartered accountant can help for few bucks. Then you are on the market as an entrepreneur.

Regarding Python jobs, other people on this list answered already. I use heavily python "just" as a tool, my work not being a development project. This list shows that there are talented people around!

Anyways, don't hesitate to revert back, i'd be happy to help.

Finally: no, you're not mad... but many people would assume you are mad ;)

Philippe

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore, I work
> with a lot of Indians here in Australia and figure why should they have all
> the fun of coming to another country to work.
> 
> The main questions I have are:
> 
>    - Do Bangalore IT companies hire many internationals?
>    - Can you get by with English only? (I note with happiness all
>    the correspondence on this list appears to be in English)
>    - What are the Python job prospects like in Bangalore?
>    - Do any of you work with/are internationals working in Bangalore and
>    would be willing to talk to me about it in more depth?
> 
> Any other insights people have would be much appreciated, for example: am I
> mad?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> p.s. I hope this isn't too off topic/general but I figure since I belong to
> the Melbourne PUG we're like brothers in arms :)
> -- 
> Rory Hart
> 


From nagappan at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 08:30:24 2010
From: nagappan at gmail.com (Nagappan Alagappan)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:30:24 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Announce: Linux Desktop Testing Project (LDTP) 2.0.3
	released
Message-ID: <9d0602eb1002102330v5138524eo8697f13700ce956e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

About LDTP:

Linux Desktop Testing Project is aimed at producing high quality test
automation framework (using GNOME / Python) and cutting-edge tools that can
be used to test Linux Desktop and improve it. It uses the Accessibility
libraries to poke through the application's user interface. We strive to
help in building a quality desktop.

Changes in this release:

Return always unicode string in gettextvalue, required to fix automated test
script in VMware Workstation
Fix ooldtp compatibility with LDTPv1 as reported by Mago [1] team
Patch by James Tatum for getallstates compatible with hasstate function
Fix bug b.g.o#608413
Fix Firefox preference accessing bug, reported by Aaron Yuan <
yuanchong1986 at gmail.com>

Download source:
http://download.freedesktop.org/ldtp/2.x/2.0.x/ldtp-2.0.3.tar.gz

Download RPM from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/anagappan:/ldtp2:/rpm/
Will schedule deb build in openSUSE build service tomorrow

Documentation references:

For detailed information on LDTP framework and latest updates visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org

For information on various APIs in LDTP including those added for this
release can be got from http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/user-doc/index.html

Report bugs - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs

To subscribe to LDTP mailing lists, visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Mailing_20list

IRC Channel - #ldtp on irc.freenode.net

Thanks
Nagappan

[1] - http://mago.ubuntu.com

-- 
Linux Desktop (GUI Application) Testing Project -
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org
http://nagappanal.blogspot.com

From nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 09:37:44 2010
From: nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com (nikunj badjatya)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:07:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Tutor] "Error :Attempt to overwrite cell" while
	using xlwt to create excel sheets
In-Reply-To: <1c2a2c591002100443i3fe03e45r2b57c69d83f5c037@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f42f4d921002100347v45468113j773ddffd1f07aca1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1c2a2c591002100443i3fe03e45r2b57c69d83f5c037@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f42f4d921002110037j1c53f452s5620d9f875429389@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Many thanks to all..
I tried cell_overwrite=True and its working fine..!!


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kent Johnson <kent37 at tds.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:47 AM, nikunj badjatya
> <nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I commented out the "raise Exception" statement in Row.py library
> > module.
> > Here's the (line no. 150 ) of Row.py which i have edited:
> >
> >   def insert_cell(self, col_index, cell_obj):
> >         if col_index in self.__cells:
> >             if not self.__parent._cell_overwrite_ok:
> >                 msg = "Attempt to overwrite cell: sheetname=%r rowx=%d
> > colx=%d" \
> >                     % (self.__parent.name, self.__idx, col_index)
> >                 #raise Exception(msg)
> > #########*commented to avoid error.
> >             prev_cell_obj = self.__cells[col_index]
> >             sst_idx = getattr(prev_cell_obj, 'sst_idx', None)
> >             if sst_idx is not None:
> >                 self.__parent_wb.del_str(sst_idx)
> >         self.__cells[col_index] = cell_obj
> >
> > The excel sheet creation code now works fine.
> >
> > My question is, Instead of manually goin to /usr/lib/.../row.py and
> > commenting out the line, Can this be done through few lines of code in
> > my program itself. ??
>
> Looking at the code above, you can see that the exception is raised
> only if self.__parent._cell_overwrite_ok is False. So there is an
> option to allow overwriting.
>
> From the error message it appears that self.__parent is a Worksheet.
> Looking at the source code for Worksheet.py, the __init__() method
> does have an optional cell_overwrite_ok= parameter. This parameter is
> also available in Workbook.add_sheet(). So if you pass
> cell_overwrite=True to add_sheet() you should be OK.
>
> Kent
>

From manikandank at tce.edu  Thu Feb 11 09:53:14 2010
From: manikandank at tce.edu (K.Manikandan)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:23:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help regarding saml2
Message-ID: <350836d306614cc097ad69857c61119b.squirrel@mail.tcenet>


Hi,

We are trying to provide session management within a big domain, say
kkk.edu... like, session usage between aaa.kkk.edu and bbb.kkk.edu. We
came to know that saml2 provides session management for these kind of
requirements. We are trying to learn about that, but we have found very
few resources. Can anyone suggest a way to maintain sessions in a better
way or help us in using python-saml2...

Cheers,
Manikandan K



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Madurai-625 015, India


From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 10:23:29 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:53:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help regarding saml2
In-Reply-To: <350836d306614cc097ad69857c61119b.squirrel@mail.tcenet>
References: <350836d306614cc097ad69857c61119b.squirrel@mail.tcenet>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891002110123v5218d578qee75e35584538112@mail.gmail.com>

AFAIK while saml2 can help support session management across domains, it is
unlikely to be doing it for you. You can use it for authentication and
combined with a SSO protocol you could allow credentials to be transferred
across various services.

SAML2 will help you essentially implement cross domain authentication and
transfer of credentials and privileges .. but for that there's tremendous
amount of fine level work that will be required.

Note: I have used SAML2 in the past and have written code around it .. but
that was long ago and I have no idea about what python-saml2 per se does -
however if it does cross domain session management, it would leave me very
surprised.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, K.Manikandan <manikandank at tce.edu> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> We are trying to provide session management within a big domain, say
> kkk.edu... like, session usage between aaa.kkk.edu and bbb.kkk.edu. We
> came to know that saml2 provides session management for these kind of
> requirements. We are trying to learn about that, but we have found very
> few resources. Can anyone suggest a way to maintain sessions in a better
> way or help us in using python-saml2...
>
> Cheers,
> Manikandan K
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> This email was sent using TCEMail Service.
> Thiagarajar College of Engineering
> Madurai-625 015, India
>
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From hartror at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 10:20:35 2010
From: hartror at gmail.com (Rory Hart)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:20:35 +1100
Subject: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs
	(steve)
In-Reply-To: <7B421666-398A-40CA-ACE7-E6D8D127BCCA@hanjinet.org>
References: <7B421666-398A-40CA-ACE7-E6D8D127BCCA@hanjinet.org>
Message-ID: <2ce9d06b1002110120r23cdf9d5n83f2d24c8b269da6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Philippe

Thanks a lot for the detailed advice! Sounds like I might be best off doing
some freelancing with contacts here in Australia while living there on a
tourist visa.

Thanks again!

Rory

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Philippe May <philippe.may at hanjinet.org>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Sorry for late reply.
>
> I'm a French living in Bangalore, currently working for an Indian firm
> (actually a subsidiary of a French consulting company).
> I had the same idea when i came here first, so let me share my experience.
>
> It is not easy for a foreigner to get a local job, firms usually won't
> consider you unless they have a good reason to do so, like facing a western
> customer (initially my case). And this schema is not the one commonly chosen
> by the local main players: they usually hire foreigners only in their own
> country to win the trust of their customers, while the "real" job is made
> here by indian teams. Playing only on your technical skills is a miss imho.
>
> The expats who live here are usually on short term basis, trustful
> employees sent here for starting up a local project. I don't think it's
> possible to come to India as an independent worker either.
>
> So the first problem is to step in: almost the only way is to come on
> tourist visa, which legally forbids you to look for a job or do any business
> related activity.
> Maybe an option could be: come and set up your own company (for example
> private limited), there should be no big problem in doing so if you are very
> patient with paper work, then get the status of employed director (you need
> another director too). A local chartered accountant can help for few bucks.
> Then you are on the market as an entrepreneur.
>
> Regarding Python jobs, other people on this list answered already. I use
> heavily python "just" as a tool, my work not being a development project.
> This list shows that there are talented people around!
>
> Anyways, don't hesitate to revert back, i'd be happy to help.
>
> Finally: no, you're not mad... but many people would assume you are mad ;)
>
> Philippe
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm an Australian who is considering living/working in Bangalore, I work
> > with a lot of Indians here in Australia and figure why should they have
> all
> > the fun of coming to another country to work.
> >
> > The main questions I have are:
> >
> >    - Do Bangalore IT companies hire many internationals?
> >    - Can you get by with English only? (I note with happiness all
> >    the correspondence on this list appears to be in English)
> >    - What are the Python job prospects like in Bangalore?
> >    - Do any of you work with/are internationals working in Bangalore and
> >    would be willing to talk to me about it in more depth?
> >
> > Any other insights people have would be much appreciated, for example: am
> I
> > mad?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > p.s. I hope this isn't too off topic/general but I figure since I belong
> to
> > the Melbourne PUG we're like brothers in arms :)
> > --
> > Rory Hart
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 11:12:09 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:42:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Tutor] "Error :Attempt to overwrite cell" while
	using xlwt to create excel sheets
In-Reply-To: <f42f4d921002110037j1c53f452s5620d9f875429389@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f42f4d921002100347v45468113j773ddffd1f07aca1@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c2a2c591002100443i3fe03e45r2b57c69d83f5c037@mail.gmail.com>
	<f42f4d921002110037j1c53f452s5620d9f875429389@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002110212j2897e904nd5437c04c17d858c@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:07 PM, nikunj badjatya
<nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
> Many thanks to all..
> I tried cell_overwrite=True and its working fine..!!
>
>
>  Good you found the solution but please don't cross-post
 across groups.

Regards



> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kent Johnson <kent37 at tds.net> wrote:
>
>
-- 
--Anand

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 13:06:07 2010
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:36:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help regarding saml2
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891002110123v5218d578qee75e35584538112@mail.gmail.com>
References: <350836d306614cc097ad69857c61119b.squirrel@mail.tcenet>
	<bf97ab891002110123v5218d578qee75e35584538112@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc971002110406m2509e161qd052de3c541683d4@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> AFAIK while saml2 can help support session management across domains, it is
> unlikely to be doing it for you. You can use it for authentication and
> combined with a SSO protocol you could allow credentials to be transferred
> across various services.
>
> SAML2 will help you essentially implement cross domain authentication and
> transfer of credentials and privileges .. but for that there's tremendous
> amount of fine level work that will be required.
>
> Note: I have used SAML2 in the past and have written code around it .. but
> that was long ago and I have no idea about what python-saml2 per se does -
> however if it does cross domain session management, it would leave me very
> surprised.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, K.Manikandan <manikandank at tce.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We are trying to provide session management within a big domain, say
> > kkk.edu... like, session usage between aaa.kkk.edu and bbb.kkk.edu. We
> > came to know that saml2 provides session management for these kind of
> > requirements. We are trying to learn about that, but we have found very
> > few resources. Can anyone suggest a way to maintain sessions in a better
> > way or help us in using python-saml2...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Manikandan K
> >
>
>


Would'nt simple cookies help you here since your domain is the same.

SAML is for identity federation and is too big a monster for your use case.
Have used SAML recently and AFAIK python-saml works for GoogleApps only.
You can use the python binding of lasso library. (
http://lasso.entrouvert.org/)


Domain = ".kkk.edu"


Best regards,
Bhaskar.

From ddurham at yahoo-inc.com  Thu Feb 11 23:43:23 2010
From: ddurham at yahoo-inc.com (Doug Durham)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:43:23 -0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Jobs at Yahoo! Search Bangalore...
Message-ID: <333A37994F38E442B40B135C7AA3B6E70524FACE@SNV-EXVS09.ds.corp.yahoo.com>

Greetings,

I'm Doug Durham, a Senior Manager at Yahoo! Search.  I'm located in
Sunnyvale California, but I'm looking to forming a new team in
Bangalore.  My team develops Python based feature extraction frameworks
for large scale analysis of search engine and user behavior. 

Our development is all in Python using open source tools.  I am looking
for a manager and two engineers to found the team.  I am very interested
in filling the manager position since this will form the core of the
team.  If you are a manager or are a team lead interested in moving into
management send us your resume.  Of course developers should send their
resumes in too.

This is an opportunity to be in at the beginning of a new team doing
some very interesting Python work.  If you are interested please send
your resume to: Harsha Khattri (hkhattri at yahoo-inc.com). 

Doug Durham
Senior Manager
Yahoo! Search

See the Job Descriptions below: (first the manager then the developer)


Position:   Engineering Manager, Yahoo Search Product - SAMA team
Location:  Bangalore, India

Do you feel that you have what it takes to positively affect the lives
of up to half a billion people? Does understanding the behavior of every
search engine in the world interest you? Is your idea of fun, thinking
about/reading on the web to understand where the next generation of the
internet is going towards? And, lastly, do you think that our mission of
finding, using, sharing and expanding the whole breadth of human
knowledge is a worthy goal to aspire to? Then, we would love to hear
from you and talk to you!

Yahoo! is the most popular internet brand in the world today with more
than half a billion users visiting our virtual door steps every month.
Yahoo's properties like mail, messenger, flickr and delicious are
leaders in their respective fields and our web search engine is one of
the most trafficked places in the web, across the world today.

Yahoo's Search and Advertising, Metrics and Analysis (SAMA) team builds
the tools and produces the analysis allow us to understand every search
engine on earth and grasp user experience at a deep level. Our job is to
build highly scalable systems that can obtain extremely high fidelity
snapshots of the state of search engines and how they react to user
behavior.  Imagine the job of disassembling the latest model of an
automobile to understand how it works in detail.  This is what we do for
the web. We dissect hundreds of thousands of web pages in exacting
detail with zero tolerance for errors.  Building this system throws up
challenges in data quality, scalability, and large scale data
management.

Our team is looking for a highly technical, energetic and passionate
individual who has shown demonstrated expertise in owning/managing
delivery of complex technical systems by working with a team of talented
engineers in the capacity of a technical manager. This person will be
responsible for founding a team to transfer and extend a sophistication
web feature extraction system from Yahoo! Sunnyvale.  This position
requires ongoing close collaboration with the SAMA team in Yahoo!
Sunnyvale to meet the data extraction needs for our ongoing
investigative work. The person in this position will have full ownership
for the architecture and technical direction of the product.  It is
expected that the manager will have a deep understanding of the
technical details of the product and work in a hands on manner with his
engineers.

Core responsibilities of this position:
* Hire, retain and manage a highly talented team of engineers ranging
from fresh college grads to seasoned developers.
* Set a vision for the team and evolve the roadmap of the products owned
by this team, by working closely with various stakeholders including
product management, research engineers and senior management.
* Develop and execute the process by which data is processed and
extracted to meet the aggressive evaluation needs of Yahoo! Sunnyvale.
* Understand and evolve the technical components and the architecture of
the systems owned by the team and maintain the highest standards of
quality for the work delivered by the team.

Required qualifications and experience:
* Bachelor's degree and/or a master's degree in computer science and
engineering, from a top tier institute, is required.
* At least 8+ years of experience, with 2+ years of it in engineering
management positions, would be required.
* Previous work experience in web technologies and/or ETL systems.
* Strong grasp of CS fundamentals, data structures and algorithms,
including recent hands-on experience in building and deploying complex
large scale systems would be required.
* Demonstrated experience in hiring and managing a team of about 2 - 6
engineers would be expected, as a minimum.
* Demonstrated ability in project management significant software
projects involving multiple dependencies and stakeholders would be
required.
* Previous experience in search technologies and data mining or
algorithmic work in these fields would be a huge plus, but not required.

Yahoo! Inc. is an equal opportunity employer.  For more information or
to search all of our openings, please visit http://careers.yahoo.com 





Position:   Software Engineer, Yahoo Search Product - SAMA team
Location:  Bangalore, India

Do you feel that you have what it takes to positively affect the lives
of up to half a billion people? Does understanding the behavior of every
search engine in the world interest you? Is your idea of fun, thinking
about/reading on the web to understand where the next generation of the
internet is going towards? And, lastly, do you think that our mission of
finding, using, sharing and expanding the whole breadth of human
knowledge is a worthy goal to aspire to? Then, we would love to hear
from you and talk to you!

Yahoo! is the most popular internet brand in the world today with more
than half a billion users visiting our virtual door steps every month.
Yahoo's properties like mail, messenger, flickr and delicious are
leaders in their respective fields and our web search engine is one of
the most trafficked places in the web, across the world today.

Yahoo's Search and Advertising, Metrics and Analysis (SAMA) team builds
the tools and produces the analysis that allow us to understand every
search engine on earth and grasp user experience at a deep level. Our
job is to build highly scalable systems that can obtain extremely high
fidelity snapshots of the state of search engines and how they react to
user behavior.  Imagine the job of disassembling the latest model of an
automobile to understand how it works in detail.  This is what we do for
the web. We dissect hundreds of thousands of web pages in exacting
detail with zero tolerance for errors.  Building this system presents
challenges in data quality, scalability, and large scale data
management.

Our team is looking for a highly technical, energetic and passionate
individual who has shown demonstrated expertise in owning/managing
delivery of complex technical systems by working with a team of talented
engineers in the capacity of a software developer. This person will play
a key role in a new team being formed to transfer and extend a
sophistication web feature extraction system from Yahoo! Sunnyvale.
This position requires ongoing close collaboration with the SAMA team in
Yahoo! Sunnyvale to meet the data extraction needs for our ongoing
investigative work. The person in this position will play an important
role in developing the architecture and technical direction of the
product.  It is expected that the developer will participate in both the
development and ongoing operation of this product.

Core responsibilities of this position:
* Work closely with the team to update the abilities of the
sophisticated parsing framework at the heart of this product.
* Provide input on the technical direction of the product in both design
and implementation.
* Participate with the team in moving data through the system to meet
the needs of the Sunnyvale team.
* Utilize standard software engineering practices in design and
development and  maintain the highest standards of quality for the work
delivered by the team.

Required qualifications and experience:
* Bachelor's degree and/or a master's degree in computer science and
engineering, from a top tier institute, is required.
* At least 4+ years of software development experience.  Commercial use
of scripting languages such as Python or Ruby is a definite plus.
* Previous work experience in web technologies and/or ETL systems.
* Strong grasp of CS fundamentals, data structures and algorithms,
including recent hands-on experience in building and deploying complex
large scale systems would be required.
* Demonstrated ability for self directed work and in collaboration with
a team.
* Previous experience in search technologies and data mining or
algorithmic work in these fields would be a huge plus, but not required.

Yahoo! Inc. is an equal opportunity employer.  For more information or
to search all of our openings, please visit http://careers.yahoo.com 









From manikandank at tce.edu  Fri Feb 12 05:49:37 2010
From: manikandank at tce.edu (K.Manikandan)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:19:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help regarding saml2
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc971002110406m2509e161qd052de3c541683d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <350836d306614cc097ad69857c61119b.squirrel@mail.tcenet>
	<bf97ab891002110123v5218d578qee75e35584538112@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc971002110406m2509e161qd052de3c541683d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d2541c1c0211c9982526f5d78d9cb69.squirrel@mail.tce.edu>


> Would'nt simple cookies help you here since your domain is the same.
>
> SAML is for identity federation and is too big a monster for your use
> case.
> Have used SAML recently and AFAIK python-saml works for GoogleApps only.
> You can use the python binding of lasso library. (
> http://lasso.entrouvert.org/)
>
>
> Domain = ".kkk.edu"
>
>
> Best regards,
> Bhaskar.

              Each aaa.kkk.edu and bbb.kkk.edu receives separate
requests.In such a case,working with req['session'] may not
help here.How does python-lasso help in this scenario?

Regards,
Manikandan.K


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From learningpython at aol.com  Fri Feb 12 07:08:42 2010
From: learningpython at aol.com (learningpython at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:08:42 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
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Hello Gurus,

I am troubled suddenly with (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error with same settings, which was working earlier in the day.

 data,addr = self.mysock.recvfrom(buf)  after this step eclipse dies with (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error.

Have tried after restarting the system 
Have tried after restarting the remote sytem .
Ping to remote system is fine

Note: The IP and every configuration is same as when it is working ..

Any clues will help me ..

Regards
-- Anand

From kausikram at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 07:25:31 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:55:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
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>
> Hello Gurus,
>
> I am troubled suddenly with (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error with
> same settings, which was working earlier in the day.
>

What same settings.


>  data,addr = self.mysock.recvfrom(buf)  after this step eclipse dies with
> (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error.
> Note: The IP and every configuration is same as when it is working ..
>
> Any clues will help me ..
>

we will be happy to give clues if we get a complete question.

-- 
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 07:26:35 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:56:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:38 AM, <learningpython at aol.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Gurus,
>
> I am troubled suddenly with (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error with
> same settings, which was working earlier in the day.
>
>  data,addr = self.mysock.recvfrom(buf)  after this step eclipse dies with
> (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error.
>

This is nothing but the ECONNRESET error on the underlying socket when
it tries to do a send. In TCP terms, this means the other end suddenly
dropped the connection using a RST packet, while your program was trying
to write to it.



> Have tried after restarting the system
> Have tried after restarting the remote sytem .
> Ping to remote system is fine
>
> Note: The IP and every configuration is same as when it is working ..
>
> Any clues will help me ..
>
> Regards
> -- Anand
> _______________________________________________
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From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 07:32:24 2010
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:02:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Help regarding saml2
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:19 AM, K.Manikandan <manikandank at tce.edu> wrote:

>
> > Would'nt simple cookies help you here since your domain is the same.
> >
> > SAML is for identity federation and is too big a monster for your use
> > case.
> > Have used SAML recently and AFAIK python-saml works for GoogleApps only.
> > You can use the python binding of lasso library. (
> > http://lasso.entrouvert.org/)
> >
> >
> > Domain = ".kkk.edu"
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bhaskar.
>
>               Each aaa.kkk.edu and bbb.kkk.edu receives separate
> requests.In such a case,working with req['session'] may not
> help here.How does python-lasso help in this scenario?
>


Seperate requests?
Session management?
Can you explain your use-case in a bit more details.

SAML is for federating identities. So for example, you have multiple
applications/web servers requiring authentication.
So you can have a single identity provider which handles the authentication
of the users and sends the user "details" to the application concerned.
There is trust between the applications and the identity provider. There are
things called profiles and the most common one is the "Web browser SSO
profile".
I dont thing session management could be handled. Most commonly SAML is used
for identity federation and Single Sign On only.

So in the web browser SSO profile, say you have two applications -
GoogleApps and Salesforce.
You set up an identity provider locally and configure the two applications
for SSO.
When a user tries to access the application, the application redirects the
browser (User Agent) to the identity provider.
The identity provider handles the authentication and authorization part. If
authentication is successful, it sends an assertion to the application.

The application is no more concerned about the authentication part.
Advantages are if you are already authenticated with the identity provider,
you achieve SSO with all the applications.
If the user leaves the company, he can no longer access the application.
(Day zero user revocation)
etc etc

Pretty detailed standard though.
Can check - http://docs.oasis-open.org/security/saml/v2.0/
Can ask the same on saml-dev mailing list -
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/saml-dev/



With best regards,
Bhaskar.

From gnuyoga at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 08:14:26 2010
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (Sreekanth B)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:44:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Jobs at Yahoo! Search Bangalore...
In-Reply-To: <333A37994F38E442B40B135C7AA3B6E70524FACE@SNV-EXVS09.ds.corp.yahoo.com>
References: <333A37994F38E442B40B135C7AA3B6E70524FACE@SNV-EXVS09.ds.corp.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <db49484f1002112314u6956bfadr2296d2f7f71e565a@mail.gmail.com>

hi

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Doug Durham <ddurham at yahoo-inc.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm Doug Durham, a Senior Manager at Yahoo! Search.  I'm located in
> Sunnyvale California, but I'm looking to forming a new team in
> Bangalore.  My team develops Python based feature extraction frameworks
> for large scale analysis of search engine and user behavior.


finally a real proof (from a real company) that we have python based job
available ;)

Doug Durham,
thanks for posting !

thanks
- sree

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 12 08:34:00 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:04:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Jobs at Yahoo! Search Bangalore...
In-Reply-To: <db49484f1002112314u6956bfadr2296d2f7f71e565a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <333A37994F38E442B40B135C7AA3B6E70524FACE@SNV-EXVS09.ds.corp.yahoo.com>
	<db49484f1002112314u6956bfadr2296d2f7f71e565a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002121304.00997.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Friday 12 Feb 2010 12:44:26 pm Sreekanth B wrote:
> > I'm Doug Durham, a Senior Manager at Yahoo! Search.  I'm located in
> > Sunnyvale California, but I'm looking to forming a new team in
> > Bangalore.  My team develops Python based feature extraction frameworks
> > for large scale analysis of search engine and user behavior.
> 
> finally a real proof (from a real company) that we have python based job
> available ;)
> 

you mean companies like zeomega, mahiti etc that are running around for python 
developers are not *real* companies ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From brijithp at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 09:11:55 2010
From: brijithp at gmail.com (BR!j!TH)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:41:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Auto starting a service by adding it in rc.local is
	not working for me ....Please help
Message-ID: <99f221551002120011o2f8a36c8i645fa6f484c8c6a0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have created a client server scripts in python. The server script is to
 be run background in a system all the time..
So I decided to put it in rc.local. But its not working. I don't know why
..?
An interesting thing is the script that I added in rc.local in running but
it is not working in desired why ...
But when I run the script manually in a terminal its working flawlessly...







brijith at nucoreindia.com
www.linux-minds.blogspot.com

From learningpython at aol.com  Fri Feb 12 10:56:09 2010
From: learningpython at aol.com (learningpython at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:56:09 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 30, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11232.1265955934.28904.bangpypers@python.org>
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 Hi Gurus,

Thank you Kaushiik and Anand 

The settings i mean are the IP address i am interacting, they remain the same.  I am just running my test initiation as usual. 
What i mean, is there is no change either in the environment where i am running and environment at the remote machine both in my control. Any ideas will really help me .. Is there any thing i should try to any commands, reset or seeing the quality of connection etc.
I am not sure if i have helped my selves to allow any help .. My apologies.. 

Thank you .
- Anand

 

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:36:07 +0530
From: bhaskar jain <bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com>
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Help regarding saml2
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> AFAIK while saml2 can help support session management across domains, it is
> unlikely to be doing it for you. You can use it for authentication and
> combined with a SSO protocol you could allow credentials to be transferred
> across various services.
>
> SAML2 will help you essentially implement cross domain authentication and
> transfer of credentials and privileges .. but for that there's tremendous
> amount of fine level work that will be required.
>
> Note: I have used SAML2 in the past and have written code around it .. but
> that was long ago and I have no idea about what python-saml2 per se does -
> however if it does cross domain session management, it would leave me very
> surprised.
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, K.Manikandan <manikandank at tce.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We are trying to provide session management within a big domain, say
> > kkk.edu... like, session usage between aaa.kkk.edu and bbb.kkk.edu. We
> > came to know that saml2 provides session management for these kind of
> > requirements. We are trying to learn about that, but we have found very
> > few resources. Can anyone suggest a way to maintain sessions in a better
> > way or help us in using python-saml2...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Manikandan K
> >
>
>


Would'nt simple cookies help you here since your domain is the same.

SAML is for identity federation and is too big a monster for your use case.
Have used SAML recently and AFAIK python-saml works for GoogleApps only.
You can use the python binding of lasso library. (
http://lasso.entrouvert.org/)


Domain = ".kkk.edu"


Best regards,
Bhaskar.


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:43:23 -0800
From: "Doug Durham" <ddurham at yahoo-inc.com>
To: <bangpypers at python.org>
Cc: Harsha Khattri <hkhattri at yahoo-inc.com>
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Jobs at Yahoo! Search Bangalore...
Message-ID:
    <333A37994F38E442B40B135C7AA3B6E70524FACE at SNV-EXVS09.ds.corp.yahoo.com>
    
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Greetings,

I'm Doug Durham, a Senior Manager at Yahoo! Search.  I'm located in
Sunnyvale California, but I'm looking to forming a new team in
Bangalore.  My team develops Python based feature extraction frameworks
for large scale analysis of search engine and user behavior. 

Our development is all in Python using open source tools.  I am looking
for a manager and two engineers to found the team.  I am very interested
in filling the manager position since this will form the core of the
team.  If you are a manager or are a team lead interested in moving into
management send us your resume.  Of course developers should send their
resumes in too.

This is an opportunity to be in at the beginning of a new team doing
some very interesting Python work.  If you are interested please send
your resume to: Harsha Khattri (hkhattri at yahoo-inc.com). 

Doug Durham
Senior Manager
Yahoo! Search

See the Job Descriptions below: (first the manager then the developer)


Position:   Engineering Manager, Yahoo Search Product - SAMA team
Location:  Bangalore, India

Do you feel that you have what it takes to positively affect the lives
of up to half a billion people? Does understanding the behavior of every
search engine in the world interest you? Is your idea of fun, thinking
about/reading on the web to understand where the next generation of the
internet is going towards? And, lastly, do you think that our mission of
finding, using, sharing and expanding the whole breadth of human
knowledge is a worthy goal to aspire to? Then, we would love to hear
from you and talk to you!

Yahoo! is the most popular internet brand in the world today with more
than half a billion users visiting our virtual door steps every month.
Yahoo's properties like mail, messenger, flickr and delicious are
leaders in their respective fields and our web search engine is one of
the most trafficked places in the web, across the world today.

Yahoo's Search and Advertising, Metrics and Analysis (SAMA) team builds
the tools and produces the analysis allow us to understand every search
engine on earth and grasp user experience at a deep level. Our job is to
build highly scalable systems that can obtain extremely high fidelity
snapshots of the state of search engines and how they react to user
behavior.  Imagine the job of disassembling the latest model of an
automobile to understand how it works in detail.  This is what we do for
the web. We dissect hundreds of thousands of web pages in exacting
detail with zero tolerance for errors.  Building this system throws up
challenges in data quality, scalability, and large scale data
management.

Our team is looking for a highly technical, energetic and passionate
individual who has shown demonstrated expertise in owning/managing
delivery of complex technical systems by working with a team of talented
engineers in the capacity of a technical manager. This person will be
responsible for founding a team to transfer and extend a sophistication
web feature extraction system from Yahoo! Sunnyvale.  This position
requires ongoing close collaboration with the SAMA team in Yahoo!
Sunnyvale to meet the data extraction needs for our ongoing
investigative work. The person in this position will have full ownership
for the architecture and technical direction of the product.  It is
expected that the manager will have a deep understanding of the
technical details of the product and work in a hands on manner with his
engineers.

Core responsibilities of this position:
* Hire, retain and manage a highly talented team of engineers ranging
from fresh college grads to seasoned developers.
* Set a vision for the team and evolve the roadmap of the products owned
by this team, by working closely with various stakeholders including
product management, research engineers and senior management.
* Develop and execute the process by which data is processed and
extracted to meet the aggressive evaluation needs of Yahoo! Sunnyvale.
* Understand and evolve the technical components and the architecture of
the systems owned by the team and maintain the highest standards of
quality for the work delivered by the team.

Required qualifications and experience:
* Bachelor's degree and/or a master's degree in computer science and
engineering, from a top tier institute, is required.
* At least 8+ years of experience, with 2+ years of it in engineering
management positions, would be required.
* Previous work experience in web technologies and/or ETL systems.
* Strong grasp of CS fundamentals, data structures and algorithms,
including recent hands-on experience in building and deploying complex
large scale systems would be required.
* Demonstrated experience in hiring and managing a team of about 2 - 6
engineers would be expected, as a minimum.
* Demonstrated ability in project management significant software
projects involving multiple dependencies and stakeholders would be
required.
* Previous experience in search technologies and data mining or
algorithmic work in these fields would be a huge plus, but not required.

Yahoo! Inc. is an equal opportunity employer.  For more information or
to search all of our openings, please visit http://careers.yahoo.com 





Position:   Software Engineer, Yahoo Search Product - SAMA team
Location:  Bangalore, India

Do you feel that you have what it takes to positively affect the lives
of up to half a billion people? Does understanding the behavior of every
search engine in the world interest you? Is your idea of fun, thinking
about/reading on the web to understand where the next generation of the
internet is going towards? And, lastly, do you think that our mission of
finding, using, sharing and expanding the whole breadth of human
knowledge is a worthy goal to aspire to? Then, we would love to hear
from you and talk to you!

Yahoo! is the most popular internet brand in the world today with more
than half a billion users visiting our virtual door steps every month.
Yahoo's properties like mail, messenger, flickr and delicious are
leaders in their respective fields and our web search engine is one of
the most trafficked places in the web, across the world today.

Yahoo's Search and Advertising, Metrics and Analysis (SAMA) team builds
the tools and produces the analysis that allow us to understand every
search engine on earth and grasp user experience at a deep level. Our
job is to build highly scalable systems that can obtain extremely high
fidelity snapshots of the state of search engines and how they react to
user behavior.  Imagine the job of disassembling the latest model of an
automobile to understand how it works in detail.  This is what we do for
the web. We dissect hundreds of thousands of web pages in exacting
detail with zero tolerance for errors.  Building this system presents
challenges in data quality, scalability, and large scale data
management.

Our team is looking for a highly technical, energetic and passionate
individual who has shown demonstrated expertise in owning/managing
delivery of complex technical systems by working with a team of talented
engineers in the capacity of a software developer. This person will play
a key role in a new team being formed to transfer and extend a
sophistication web feature extraction system from Yahoo! Sunnyvale.
This position requires ongoing close collaboration with the SAMA team in
Yahoo! Sunnyvale to meet the data extraction needs for our ongoing
investigative work. The person in this position will play an important
role in developing the architecture and technical direction of the
product.  It is expected that the developer will participate in both the
development and ongoing operation of this product.

Core responsibilities of this position:
* Work closely with the team to update the abilities of the
sophisticated parsing framework at the heart of this product.
* Provide input on the technical direction of the product in both design
and implementation.
* Participate with the team in moving data through the system to meet
the needs of the Sunnyvale team.
* Utilize standard software engineering practices in design and
development and  maintain the highest standards of quality for the work
delivered by the team.

Required qualifications and experience:
* Bachelor's degree and/or a master's degree in computer science and
engineering, from a top tier institute, is required.
* At least 4+ years of software development experience.  Commercial use
of scripting languages such as Python or Ruby is a definite plus.
* Previous work experience in web technologies and/or ETL systems.
* Strong grasp of CS fundamentals, data structures and algorithms,
including recent hands-on experience in building and deploying complex
large scale systems would be required.
* Demonstrated ability for self directed work and in collaboration with
a team.
* Previous experience in search technologies and data mining or
algorithmic work in these fields would be a huge plus, but not required.

Yahoo! Inc. is an equal opportunity employer.  For more information or
to search all of our openings, please visit http://careers.yahoo.com 










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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:19:37 +0530
From: "K.Manikandan" <manikandank at tce.edu>
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Help regarding saml2
Message-ID: <7d2541c1c0211c9982526f5d78d9cb69.squirrel at mail.tce.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1


> Would'nt simple cookies help you here since your domain is the same.
>
> SAML is for identity federation and is too big a monster for your use
> case.
> Have used SAML recently and AFAIK python-saml works for GoogleApps only.
> You can use the python binding of lasso library. (
> http://lasso.entrouvert.org/)
>
>
> Domain = ".kkk.edu"
>
>
> Best regards,
> Bhaskar.

              Each aaa.kkk.edu and bbb.kkk.edu receives separate
requests.In such a case,working with req['session'] may not
help here.How does python-lasso help in this scenario?

Regards,
Manikandan.K


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:08:42 -0500
From: learningpython at aol.com
To: bangpypers at python.org
Subject: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
Message-ID: <8CC79C0F6269916-A70-7913 at webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


 

 


Hello Gurus,

I am troubled suddenly with (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error with same 
settings, which was working earlier in the day.

 data,addr = self.mysock.recvfrom(buf)  after this step eclipse dies with 
(10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error.

Have tried after restarting the system 
Have tried after restarting the remote sytem .
Ping to remote system is fine

Note: The IP and every configuration is same as when it is working ..

Any clues will help me ..

Regards
-- Anand


------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:55:31 +0530
From: kausikram krishnasayee <kausikram at gmail.com>
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
Message-ID:
    <2597ddb91002112225j5f5ab87ep589f3e8a963dedda at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

>
> Hello Gurus,
>
> I am troubled suddenly with (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error with
> same settings, which was working earlier in the day.
>

What same settings.


>  data,addr = self.mysock.recvfrom(buf)  after this step eclipse dies with
> (10054, 'Connection reset by peer') error.
> Note: The IP and every configuration is same as when it is working ..
>
> Any clues will help me ..
>

we will be happy to give clues if we get a complete question.

-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490


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From eknath.iyer at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 14:41:40 2010
From: eknath.iyer at gmail.com (Eknath Venkataramani)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:41:40 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] pyparsing wrong output
Message-ID: <692c428f1002120541n6b3aabb0jb62c50f90715f38e@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to write a parser in pyparsing.
Help Me. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/177078/ is the code and this is input
file: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/177076/ .
I get output as:
<generator object at 0xb723b80c>
*
*
-- 
Eknath Venkataramani
+91-9844952442

From anishk33 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 03:17:53 2010
From: anishk33 at gmail.com (Anish Kurian)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:47:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Auto starting a service by adding it in rc.local
	is not working for me ....Please help
In-Reply-To: <99f221551002120011o2f8a36c8i645fa6f484c8c6a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002120011o2f8a36c8i645fa6f484c8c6a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64b0aaab1002121817h4df3fd3eq788c667c55ad956f@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe it is not able to access the environment variables.
You might have to set them in the code.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:41 PM, BR!j!TH <brijithp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have created a client server scripts in python. The server script is to
>  be run background in a system all the time..
> So I decided to put it in rc.local. But its not working. I don't know why
> ..?
> An interesting thing is the script that I added in rc.local in running but
> it is not working in desired why ...
> But when I run the script manually in a terminal its working flawlessly...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> brijith at nucoreindia.com
> www.linux-minds.blogspot.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
aNish

From brijithp at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 06:04:55 2010
From: brijithp at gmail.com (BR!j!TH)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:34:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Could not connect to freenode IRC
Message-ID: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

When I tried to connect to IRC server I am getting this ....

*Disconnected.*
*ERROR :Closing Link: 59.93.15.10 (*** Banned )*
*
*
It was working fine yesterday ....

What could be the reason ? ,....


brijith at nucoreindia.com

www.linux-minds.blogspot.com

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sat Feb 13 06:11:08 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:41:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Could not connect to freenode IRC
In-Reply-To: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Saturday 13 Feb 2010 10:34:55 am BR!j!TH wrote:
> When I tried to connect to IRC server I am getting this ....
> 
> *Disconnected.*
> *ERROR :Closing Link: 59.93.15.10 (*** Banned )*
> *
> *
> It was working fine yesterday ....
> 
> What could be the reason ? ,....
> 

looks like your ip has been banned - is it a dynamic ip? if it is a BSNL 
dynamic IP, that happens very often
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 06:17:10 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:47:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Could not connect to freenode IRC
In-Reply-To: <201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8e7c74321002122117u3254e921v18d4a1f57cc61185@mail.gmail.com>

disconnect and re-connect to the internet connection. you get a new IP and
you can log in.

cheers!!!
Zubin


On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Saturday 13 Feb 2010 10:34:55 am BR!j!TH wrote:
> > When I tried to connect to IRC server I am getting this ....
> >
> > *Disconnected.*
> > *ERROR :Closing Link: 59.93.15.10 (*** Banned )*
> > *
> > *
> > It was working fine yesterday ....
> >
> > What could be the reason ? ,....
> >
>
> looks like your ip has been banned - is it a dynamic ip? if it is a BSNL
> dynamic IP, that happens very often
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS
> http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From brijithp at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 06:18:04 2010
From: brijithp at gmail.com (BR!j!TH)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:48:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Could not connect to freenode IRC
In-Reply-To: <201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <99f221551002122118u3fbfa739r4204b67e874e30e3@mail.gmail.com>

> looks like your ip has been banned - is it a dynamic ip? if it is a BSNL

dynamic IP, that happens very often



Any solution ?

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 06:24:35 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:54:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Could not connect to freenode IRC
In-Reply-To: <99f221551002122118u3fbfa739r4204b67e874e30e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<99f221551002122118u3fbfa739r4204b67e874e30e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002122124sa904d4cr30e2038cab97f941@mail.gmail.com>

Give some more details.

Possible scenarios :
1> You are using a webclient such as webchat.freenode.net which is not
allowed by that channel
sol - use IRC clients
2> You are not authenticated and that channel does not permit
unauthenticated nicks
sol - authenticate your nick
3> You use a public ip which have a bad-reputation and is banned
ask moderator to unbann you
4> You did spamming/trolling/other mischievous activities :P
you deserve banning ;)


On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:48 AM, BR!j!TH <brijithp at gmail.com> wrote:

> > looks like your ip has been banned - is it a dynamic ip? if it is a BSNL
>
> dynamic IP, that happens very often
>
>
>
> Any solution ?
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Sat Feb 13 06:29:34 2010
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:59:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Could not connect to freenode IRC
In-Reply-To: <99f221551002122118u3fbfa739r4204b67e874e30e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<99f221551002122118u3fbfa739r4204b67e874e30e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002131059.34826.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Saturday 13 Feb 2010 10:48:04 am BR!j!TH wrote:
> > looks like your ip has been banned - is it a dynamic ip? if it is a BSNL
> 
> dynamic IP, that happens very often
> 
> 
> 
> Any solution ?
> 

permanent solution - get a static ip and keep it clean. Temporary solution, 
keep disconnecting your internet and logging in until you get a fresh dynamic 
IP which is not banned. Whatever you do, do not waste your time contacting 
BSNL.
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 06:34:40 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:04:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Could not connect to freenode IRC
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002122124sa904d4cr30e2038cab97f941@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<99f221551002122118u3fbfa739r4204b67e874e30e3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d4ab53de1002122124sa904d4cr30e2038cab97f941@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002122134k3c6438dma53f0fe6c53131ac@mail.gmail.com>

59.93.15.10 seems like a dynamic IP. best workaround can be to flush that IP
address. restarting the network may help (a wild guess)

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Shashwat Anand
<anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:

> Give some more details.
>
> Possible scenarios :
> 1> You are using a webclient such as webchat.freenode.net which is not
> allowed by that channel
> sol - use IRC clients
> 2> You are not authenticated and that channel does not permit
> unauthenticated nicks
> sol - authenticate your nick
> 3> You use a public ip which have a bad-reputation and is banned
> ask moderator to unbann you
> 4> You did spamming/trolling/other mischievous activities :P
> you deserve banning ;)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:48 AM, BR!j!TH <brijithp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > looks like your ip has been banned - is it a dynamic ip? if it is a BSNL
>>
>> dynamic IP, that happens very often
>>
>>
>>
>> Any solution ?
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>

From brijithp at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 06:41:28 2010
From: brijithp at gmail.com (BR!j!TH)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:11:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Could not connect to freenode IRC
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002122134k3c6438dma53f0fe6c53131ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002122104k4c5483ft9aecb4232afdc94b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201002131041.08399.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<99f221551002122118u3fbfa739r4204b67e874e30e3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d4ab53de1002122124sa904d4cr30e2038cab97f941@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d4ab53de1002122134k3c6438dma53f0fe6c53131ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99f221551002122141nd2f7432oa86cb84140e31f56@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Buddies..

brijith at nucoreindia.com

www.linux-minds.blogspot.com


On 13 February 2010 11:04, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:

> 59.93.15.10 seems like a dynamic IP. best workaround can be to flush that
> IP
> address. restarting the network may help (a wild guess)
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Shashwat Anand
> <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Give some more details.
> >
> > Possible scenarios :
> > 1> You are using a webclient such as webchat.freenode.net which is not
> > allowed by that channel
> > sol - use IRC clients
> > 2> You are not authenticated and that channel does not permit
> > unauthenticated nicks
> > sol - authenticate your nick
> > 3> You use a public ip which have a bad-reputation and is banned
> > ask moderator to unbann you
> > 4> You did spamming/trolling/other mischievous activities :P
> > you deserve banning ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:48 AM, BR!j!TH <brijithp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > looks like your ip has been banned - is it a dynamic ip? if it is a
> BSNL
> >>
> >> dynamic IP, that happens very often
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Any solution ?
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BangPypers mailing list
> >> BangPypers at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >>
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From brijithp at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 09:32:22 2010
From: brijithp at gmail.com (BR!j!TH)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:02:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how the file rc.local and command update-rc.d are
	related
Message-ID: <99f221551002130032s15219ba7tc626f7f93597714c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
when I googled for methods to run scripts automatically at boot time, I
found some where to use the command *update-rc.d*. Some others suggesting
add an entry in *rc.local* file under /etc. I have tried the rc.local method
with one of the script I written but its not working in proper way. This
Issue I have already raised in this list....

Can any one tell me the difference between the two method I mentioned above
?


Thanks

brijith at nucoreindia.com
www.linux-minds.blogspot.com

From gora at srijan.in  Sat Feb 13 10:40:14 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:10:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how the file rc.local and command update-rc.d are
 related
In-Reply-To: <99f221551002130032s15219ba7tc626f7f93597714c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002130032s15219ba7tc626f7f93597714c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100213151014.4845eb2e@ibis>

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:02:22 +0530
"BR!j!TH" <brijithp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> when I googled for methods to run scripts automatically at boot
> time, I found some where to use the command *update-rc.d*. Some
> others suggesting add an entry in *rc.local* file under /etc. I
> have tried the rc.local method with one of the script I written
> but its not working in proper way. This Issue I have already
> raised in this list....
> 
> Can any one tell me the difference between the two method I
> mentioned above ?
[...]

There are slight differences, depending on which OS you are
using (I presume that it is a Linux distribution), so let us
know the output from "uname -a" and "cat /etc/issue".

Regards,
Gora

From learningpython at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 11:05:19 2010
From: learningpython at aol.com (learningpython at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:05:19 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
In-Reply-To: <8CC79C0F6269916-A70-7913@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.9.1265886001.31188.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC79C0F6269916-A70-7913@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7AAB2EF843A8-3FCC-A926@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>


Hi Gurus,

Thank you Kaushiik and Anand 

The settings i mean are the IP address i am interacting, they remain the same.  I am just running my test initiation as usual. 
What i mean, is there is no change either in the environment where i amrunning and environment at the remote machine both in my control. Anyideas will really help me .. Is there any thing i should try to anycommands, reset or seeing the quality of connection etc.
I am not sure if i have helped my selves to allow any help .. My apologies.. 

Thank you .
- Anand
 


 

 




From brijithp at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 11:51:15 2010
From: brijithp at gmail.com (BR!j!TH)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:21:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how the file rc.local and command update-rc.d are
	related
In-Reply-To: <20100213151014.4845eb2e@ibis>
References: <99f221551002130032s15219ba7tc626f7f93597714c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100213151014.4845eb2e@ibis>
Message-ID: <99f221551002130251h38d440a1p5261e0c937782898@mail.gmail.com>

> There are slight differences, depending on which OS you are
> using (I presume that it is a Linux distribution), so let us
> know the output from "uname -a" and "cat /etc/issue".
>
> brijith at ubuntu201:~/amracs$ uname -a
Linux ubuntu201 2.6.31-18-generic #55-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 8 14:55:26 UTC 2010
i686 GNU/Linux
brijith at ubuntu201:~/amracs$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 9.10 \n \l

brijith at ubuntu201:~/amracs$

From shivraj.ms at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 14:27:25 2010
From: shivraj.ms at gmail.com (Shivaraj M S)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:27:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] how the file rc.local and command update-rc.d are
 related
In-Reply-To: <99f221551002130251h38d440a1p5261e0c937782898@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002130032s15219ba7tc626f7f93597714c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100213151014.4845eb2e@ibis>
	<99f221551002130251h38d440a1p5261e0c937782898@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27575057.post@talk.nabble.com>


On debian /etc/init.d is the directory for common user startups.
http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html

 
-- 
View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/how-the-file-rc.local-and-command-update-rc.d-are-related-tp27573314p27575057.html
Sent from the BangPypers - Bangalore Python Users Group mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 14:37:48 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:07:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
In-Reply-To: <8CC7AAB2EF843A8-3FCC-A926@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.9.1265886001.31188.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC79C0F6269916-A70-7913@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC7AAB2EF843A8-3FCC-A926@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002130537s39e8bc13xcb10952382219fc6@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:35 PM, <learningpython at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Gurus,
>
> Thank you Kaushiik and Anand
>
> The settings i mean are the IP address i am interacting, they remain the
> same.  I am just running my test initiation as usual.
> What i mean, is there is no change either in the environment where i
> amrunning and environment at the remote machine both in my control. Anyideas
> will really help me .. Is there any thing i should try to anycommands, reset
> or seeing the quality of connection etc.
> I am not sure if i have helped my selves to allow any help .. My
> apologies..
>

 To debug this further, the actual networking scenario or code is required.
 If you can share the code privately, please do so. If the code is part of
 a public project like django or something, let know the
library.module.function.



>
> Thank you .
> - Anand
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From anurag08priyam at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 16:41:39 2010
From: anurag08priyam at gmail.com (Anurag Priyam)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:11:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how the file rc.local and command update-rc.d are
	related
In-Reply-To: <27575057.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <99f221551002130032s15219ba7tc626f7f93597714c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100213151014.4845eb2e@ibis>
	<99f221551002130251h38d440a1p5261e0c937782898@mail.gmail.com>
	<27575057.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <95d7ba071002140741i2b250106s14b4fec5f6887e40@mail.gmail.com>

In Debian the apps that need to be started at the boot time have their
startup scripts in /etc/init.d . Have a look at few of the scripts(perhaps
mysql, apache2 or gdm) to make it more clear. Which apps are actually
started at the boot time depends on the runlevel you are starting in. For a
runlevel the startup scripts are actually run from /etc/rcX.d (X being the
name of runlevel). If you are starting in the runlevel 5, scripts will be
read of /etc/rc5.d .

The general concept is to put the startup script in /etc/init.d and put a
symlink in the corresponding rcX.d directory. Here steps the update-rc.d
command. It is used to manage the symlinks in the rcX.d directories. You may
like to read this small post
http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Making_scripts_run_at_boot_time_with_Debian.
Another command that is used with the /etc/init.d startup sctipts is
invoke-rc.d . Read man page for update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d for more help.

I might be wrong in stating this: With rc.local make sure that the script
returns 0. This implies that any script you want to run from rc.local must
be started in background( perhaps script& ). Also putting a script in
rc.local guarantees execution in all the runlevels.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Shivaraj M S <shivraj.ms at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On debian /etc/init.d is the directory for common user startups.
> http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://old.nabble.com/how-the-file-rc.local-and-command-update-rc.d-are-related-tp27573314p27575057.html
> Sent from the BangPypers - Bangalore Python Users Group mailing list
> archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Anurag Priyam
2nd Year,Mechanical Engineering,
IIT Kharagpur.
+91-9775550642

From kausikram at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 17:07:53 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:37:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how the file rc.local and command update-rc.d are
	related
In-Reply-To: <95d7ba071002140741i2b250106s14b4fec5f6887e40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99f221551002130032s15219ba7tc626f7f93597714c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100213151014.4845eb2e@ibis>
	<99f221551002130251h38d440a1p5261e0c937782898@mail.gmail.com>
	<27575057.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<95d7ba071002140741i2b250106s14b4fec5f6887e40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2597ddb91002140807i41d82cb6gb4f1b2ade35839f7@mail.gmail.com>

this is a python user group.
humour me. how is this discussion related to python? i request the authors
to please post to relavent groups. and cross posting is a No No please.

[Thread Closed]

-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sun Feb 14 19:28:05 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:28:05 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
Message-ID: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com>

It's the week of PyCon 2010 already!

This is  my second PyCon and I'm better prepared this time.
My PyCon 2010 schedule - http://pradeepgowda.com/2010/pycon/
I'll be updating this page as the conference progresses.

I'll be staying post-conference for two days of sprints. I'm very excited
about the sprints, though I haven't chosen any projects to work on.
I'm leaving that to serendipity ;)

Looking forward to meet fellow Bangpypers!

Cheers,
Pradeep Gowda

From learningpython at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 20:12:09 2010
From: learningpython at aol.com (learningpython at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:12:09 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
In-Reply-To: <8CC7AAB2EF843A8-3FCC-A926@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.9.1265886001.31188.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC79C0F6269916-A70-7913@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC7AAB2EF843A8-3FCC-A926@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7BC0BD6BC477-46D4-16BFE@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com>


 

 Hi Anand Balachandran,
I have posted the file, i have issues to your email account. 
Let me know if missed something.

Thanks
-- Anand


 




 



 

From learningpython at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 23:40:59 2010
From: learningpython at aol.com (learningpython at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:40:59 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')
In-Reply-To: <8CC7BC0BD6BC477-46D4-16BFE@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.9.1265886001.31188.bangpypers@python.org>
	<8CC79C0F6269916-A70-7913@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC7AAB2EF843A8-3FCC-A926@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC7BC0BD6BC477-46D4-16BFE@webmail-d072.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7BDDEA024884-220C-F7C3@webmail-m038.sysops.aol.com>


 Hi Anand Balachandran,

It is resolved so don't worry about it..

Reason:
The remte host was in stand by mode and i just learned that PING works in standby as it is ICMP message.

Cheers ..

- Anand

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: learningpython at aol.com
To: bangpypers at python.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 8:12 am
Subject: Re: (10054, 'Connection reset by peer')


 

 Hi Anand Balachandran,
I have posted the file, i have issues to your email account. 
Let me know if missed something.

Thanks
-- Anand


 




 



 
 

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 04:07:30 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:37:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> It's the week of PyCon 2010 already!
>
> This is  my second PyCon and I'm better prepared this time.
> My PyCon 2010 schedule - http://pradeepgowda.com/2010/pycon/
> I'll be updating this page as the conference progresses.
>
> I'll be staying post-conference for two days of sprints. I'm very excited
> about the sprints, though I haven't chosen any projects to work on.
> I'm leaving that to serendipity ;)
>
> Looking forward to meet fellow Bangpypers!
>

Noufal is on his way from here. Not sure about anybody
else.


>
> Cheers,
> Pradeep Gowda
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 04:19:14 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:49:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:37:30AM +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Not sure about anybody else.

I am going. Presenting a tutorial on "How to solve it using Python" :)

-- 
Senthil
"Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you may work."

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Mon Feb 15 04:55:42 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:25:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
In-Reply-To: <20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
References: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
Message-ID: <c911c70d1002141955v3dad8c7dq535db077b3075ee1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Senthil,

Last year your tutorial was very well received.  All the best for this
time also ! Best wishes for others also. Enjoy maadi !

On 2/15/10, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:37:30AM +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>> Not sure about anybody else.
>
> I am going. Presenting a tutorial on "How to solve it using Python" :)
>
> --
> Senthil
> "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you may work."
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From hacker.karthick at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 07:23:31 2010
From: hacker.karthick at gmail.com (karthick perumal)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:53:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] combine R,G,B channel
Message-ID: <966112521002142223k65f68cf6xb0b78fb58f8cd72f@mail.gmail.com>

hi i am doing project named visual cryptography,in this project i have a
module to combine R,G,B channel together,so i have a three image file
 called red.png,green.png,blue.png,so how to combine those file to get the
final color image,please suggest me some python code or other open source
tools to implement this module,

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Feb 15 07:24:49 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:54:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] combine R,G,B channel
In-Reply-To: <966112521002142223k65f68cf6xb0b78fb58f8cd72f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <966112521002142223k65f68cf6xb0b78fb58f8cd72f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002151154.49324.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 15 Feb 2010 11:53:31 am karthick perumal wrote:
> hi i am doing project named visual cryptography,in this project i have a
> module to combine R,G,B channel together,so i have a three image file
>  called red.png,green.png,blue.png,so how to combine those file to get the
> final color image,please suggest me some python code or other open source
> tools to implement this module,
> 

PIL
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Feb 15 07:26:18 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:56:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] combine R,G,B channel
In-Reply-To: <966112521002142223k65f68cf6xb0b78fb58f8cd72f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D5873E@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>


Here my cents,Instead of  combining the three images to get the color of
the final image,You can use RGB values to generate the random image on
the fly.

r=random.choice(range(256))
g=random.choice(range(256))
b=random.choice(range(256))

I don't know what you are trying to achieve(no knowledge on
Cryptography)..

I heard that in the "Art of Computer Programming" Donald Knuth described
an algorithm to 
generate  random numbers to be sufficently random enough.
Pls take a look into that .


Regards,
~ Srini T

-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org
[mailto:bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.o
rg] On Behalf Of karthick perumal
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:54 AM
To: bangpypers at python.org
Subject: [BangPypers] combine R,G,B channel

hi i am doing project named visual cryptography,in this project i have a
module to combine R,G,B channel together,so i have a three image file
called red.png,green.png,blue.png,so how to combine those file to get
the final color image,please suggest me some python code or other open
source tools to implement this module,
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From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 13:49:29 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:19:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d1002141955v3dad8c7dq535db077b3075ee1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
	<c911c70d1002141955v3dad8c7dq535db077b3075ee1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002150449w2e0311f7k2264347e1d49aad4@mail.gmail.com>

Best of luck to everyone going to pycon. I will miss it very much though :(

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:

> Hi Senthil,
>
> Last year your tutorial was very well received.  All the best for this
> time also ! Best wishes for others also. Enjoy maadi !
>
> On 2/15/10, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:37:30AM +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> wrote:
> >> Not sure about anybody else.
> >
> > I am going. Presenting a tutorial on "How to solve it using Python" :)
> >
> > --
> > Senthil
> > "Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you may work."
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From vid at svaksha.com  Mon Feb 15 16:46:47 2010
From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?fHwg4KS44KWN4KS14KSV4KWN4KS3IHx8IA==?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:46:47 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
In-Reply-To: <20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
References: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
Message-ID: <12470af01002150746k13df60ccj9cd3b258f5357a63@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 22:19, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:37:30AM +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>> Not sure about anybody else.
>
> I am going. Presenting a tutorial on "How to solve it using Python" :)

Satya and /me will be there too.

-- 
|| vid | http://svaksha.com ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 23:19:08 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:49:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
In-Reply-To: <12470af01002150746k13df60ccj9cd3b258f5357a63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
	<12470af01002150746k13df60ccj9cd3b258f5357a63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002151419o127c5cfbjef35605047d3b706@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:16 PM, || ?????? || <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 22:19, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:37:30AM +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>>> Not sure about anybody else.
>>
>> I am going. Presenting a tutorial on "How to solve it using Python" :)
>
> Satya and /me will be there too.
>[.]]

I just arrived. Feeling all groggy thanks to the long flight but
excited about the whole thing.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 05:56:47 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:26:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002151419o127c5cfbjef35605047d3b706@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
	<12470af01002150746k13df60ccj9cd3b258f5357a63@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e1002151419o127c5cfbjef35605047d3b706@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b481002152056tb4eb5b6xd88a9887673b621f@mail.gmail.com>

Have a great learning and interacting time at PyCon 2010. Bring in all the
knowledge to share with us here :))

Take care,
Vishal

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:16 PM, || ?????? || <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 22:19, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 08:37:30AM +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> wrote:
> >>> Not sure about anybody else.
> >>
> >> I am going. Presenting a tutorial on "How to solve it using Python" :)
> >
> > Satya and /me will be there too.
> >[.]]
>
> I just arrived. Feeling all groggy thanks to the long flight but
> excited about the whole thing.
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb 16 07:26:08 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:56:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2010
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b481002152056tb4eb5b6xd88a9887673b621f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e3294b71002141028h682e8389hd5a8979098c8b227@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31002141907g21958459n7dd58f0df0f8d23c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100215031914.GA29963@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
	<12470af01002150746k13df60ccj9cd3b258f5357a63@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1002151419o127c5cfbjef35605047d3b706@mail.gmail.com>
	<a13a3b481002152056tb4eb5b6xd88a9887673b621f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002152226n71ac72acue9b3d9c04a13bf79@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Have a great learning and interacting time at PyCon 2010. Bring in all the
> knowledge to share with us here :))
>
> >
> > I just arrived. Feeling all groggy thanks to the long flight but
> > excited about the whole thing.
>

 I am following you on Twitter on #pycon.
 All the best.


> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal Sapre
>
> ---
>
> "So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
> !!!"
> "A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
> Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
> "Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
> "May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
> forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Feb 19 08:07:24 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:37:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] why is round() not working?
Message-ID: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi

>>> round(2.1667000000000001,3)
2.1669999999999998

what gives?

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Fri Feb 19 08:15:13 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:45:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] why is round() not working?
In-Reply-To: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <c911c70d1002182315x5d52a43fwfa229b0ec026f44@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> hi
>
>>>> round(2.1667000000000001,3)
> 2.1669999999999998

From: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/floatingpoint.html

you may be tempted to use the round() function to chop it back to the
single digit you expect. But that makes no difference:

>>> round(0.1, 1)
0.10000000000000001

--
Baiju M

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 08:21:51 2010
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:51:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] why is round() not working?
In-Reply-To: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <3d62196a1002182321x79fc96c4re8d66c84f9282f3@mail.gmail.com>

Strange.

I try it on my windows machine and get:

>>> round(2.1667000000000001,3)
2.167

I SSH to a remote UNIX machine and get what you got.

Something is system-dependent.



On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> hi
>
> >>> round(2.1667000000000001,3)
> 2.1669999999999998
>
> what gives?
>
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS
> http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Arvind

From pasokan at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 08:28:03 2010
From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:58:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] why is round() not working?
In-Reply-To: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <5de036dc1002182328u72655150pe6d84c8c2890cb6b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> hi
>
>>>> round(2.1667000000000001,3)
> 2.1669999999999998
>
> what gives?
>
[snip]

You are running into the problems of floating point number
representation. This has nothing to do with round()

>>> x = 2.17
>>> x
2.1699999999999999
>>>

The number displayed is the best representation given the binary
representation's limits of storage etc., Some languages (Ruby comes to
mind) display 'better' looking results and IIRC Python 3 will also do
the same.

$ irb
>> x = 2.17
=> 2.17
>> x
=> 2.17
>>

If you are looking at displaying, consider doing sth. like

>>> print "%5.3f" %(round(2.16670000001, 3))
2.167

HTH
-- 
Asokan Pichai
*-------------------*
We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 08:51:02 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:21:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] why is round() not working?
In-Reply-To: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891002182351g656f07cra655f9241f389aa3@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> hi
>
> >>> round(2.1667000000000001,3)
> 2.1669999999999998
>
> what gives?
>
> round() gives you the closest approximation a floating point number can
achieve to the desired number ie. in this case 2.1669999999999998 is the
closest floating point representation to 2.17.

If one wants to have a specific precision, its better to use decimal.Decimal
package instead of floating points. eg. I prefer using decimal whenever
using the field to represent amounts (money).



> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS
> http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
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>



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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 08:59:50 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:29:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] why is round() not working?
In-Reply-To: <5de036dc1002182328u72655150pe6d84c8c2890cb6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<5de036dc1002182328u72655150pe6d84c8c2890cb6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100219075950.GA10447@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:58:03PM +0530, Asokan Pichai wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> >>>> round(2.1667000000000001,3)
> > 2.1669999999999998
> 
> >>> print "%5.3f" %(round(2.16670000001, 3))
> 2.167
> 

And if you want a safer way to deal with floating point numbers and to
kind of behavior we understand while doing it with paper and pencil,
use the Decimal module.

http://docs.python.org/library/decimal.html

It behaves well with normal ints, floats and is supported for all
standard operations which are applicable for ints and floats.

Decimal module was aimed towards the use-cases which deal with finance
and astronomy/ scientific computing where decimal number behavior
needs to be consistent and should not be system dependent.

-- 
Senthil
Q:	What lies on the bottom of the ocean and twitches?
A:	A nervous wreck.

From scorpion032 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 09:29:51 2010
From: scorpion032 at gmail.com (Lakshman Prasad)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:59:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] why is round() not working?
In-Reply-To: <20100219075950.GA10447@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
References: <201002191237.25123.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<5de036dc1002182328u72655150pe6d84c8c2890cb6b@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100219075950.GA10447@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
Message-ID: <d38edb551002190029y13a3b700r5916cf1d5d06c6b1@mail.gmail.com>

It is a standard IEEE-754 representation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_754. This is the same that is followed by
most platforms.

In this representation, there are 53 bits available to store the precision;
so the closest number to the actual number is represented.

The arithmetic of floating points in interesting: This post by Wolfram
Alpha: http://blog.wolfram.com/2007/09/25/arithmetic-is-hard-to-get-right/ on
excel bugs is a good read, in this context.


On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:58:03PM +0530, Asokan Pichai wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>> round(2.1667000000000001,3)
> > > 2.1669999999999998
> >
> > >>> print "%5.3f" %(round(2.16670000001, 3))
> > 2.167
> >
>
> And if you want a safer way to deal with floating point numbers and to
> kind of behavior we understand while doing it with paper and pencil,
> use the Decimal module.
>
> http://docs.python.org/library/decimal.html
>
> It behaves well with normal ints, floats and is supported for all
> standard operations which are applicable for ints and floats.
>
> Decimal module was aimed towards the use-cases which deal with finance
> and astronomy/ scientific computing where decimal number behavior
> needs to be consistent and should not be system dependent.
>
> --
> Senthil
> Q:      What lies on the bottom of the ocean and twitches?
> A:      A nervous wreck.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
- Lp

From yuvipanda at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 17:22:50 2010
From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:52:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Students/Mentors for GSoC?
Message-ID: <45ec909c1002190822q5d31baex1c91359b431e8dd3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi! I'm planning to apply for GSoC this year, probably under PSF or Django.
Anyone who is planning on being a mentor this year? Or applying as a
student? Previous experiences? Please share :)

-- 
Yuvi Panda T
http://yuvi.in/blog

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 18:27:01 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:57:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Students/Mentors for GSoC?
In-Reply-To: <45ec909c1002190822q5d31baex1c91359b431e8dd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45ec909c1002190822q5d31baex1c91359b431e8dd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002190927i4abe3f5bp433f4e26f0d8f846@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Yuvi,
I had not decided yet but will apply for PSF most probably.
Abhishek(ideamonk) will go for Sahana perhaps (he had done some major work
during haiti-issue). Anand B.Pillai is planning to be a mentor this year
from BangPypers AFAIK but am not too sure about organization. Also
PyCon,2010 is on, so I guess you will have to wait till it ends, and then
the idea-list will be up. There was a mailing-list known as python-soc2009
last year and I guess a mailing list will be created this year too.

HTH,
~l0nwlf

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi! I'm planning to apply for GSoC this year, probably under PSF or Django.
> Anyone who is planning on being a mentor this year? Or applying as a
> student? Previous experiences? Please share :)
>
> --
> Yuvi Panda T
> http://yuvi.in/blog
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 23:57:11 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:27:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ActiveState/O'Reilly Launch New and Improved Code
	Share Site (Python) via @Bret
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002191457g394030eexe1b5c7e2476ae3e@mail.gmail.com>

ActiveState launched today the new code.activestate.com with code
recipes for dynamic languages such as Python, Perl and Tcl and web
development. This site is great recipe sharing site for all Python,
Perl and Tcl developers.

O'Reilly will be use recipes from the site for its next Python cook
book.

Bit.ly link to the blog announcement:
http://bit.ly/b1Wkdm

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 00:22:34 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:52:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ActiveState/O'Reilly Launch New and Improved Code
	Share Site (Python) via @Bret
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002191457g394030eexe1b5c7e2476ae3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de1002191457g394030eexe1b5c7e2476ae3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba11002191522s1ae29810o564a333c122bb08d@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Shashwat Anand
<anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> code.activestate.com

AFAIK, its been there for a while.

-- 
Senthil

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 03:27:19 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:57:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ActiveState/O'Reilly Launch New and Improved Code
	Share Site (Python) via @Bret
In-Reply-To: <7c42eba11002191522s1ae29810o564a333c122bb08d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de1002191457g394030eexe1b5c7e2476ae3e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7c42eba11002191522s1ae29810o564a333c122bb08d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002191827x5e845600ta2d5c2c5260e935b@mail.gmail.com>

The site is the old one and still there but the* layout has changed* (I felt
so).

~l0nwlf

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:52 AM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Shashwat Anand
> <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > code.activestate.com
>
> AFAIK, its been there for a while.
>
> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From tbd.lists at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 19:09:02 2010
From: tbd.lists at gmail.com (Tea BeeDi)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:39:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Accessibility Research and Product Development
Message-ID: <4573cd0e1002191009w1846a08qc29dff95a037aad5@mail.gmail.com>

Rich Internet Applications open a can of "user interfaces for all" issues.
In India we have a large number of people who may be identified as
print-impaired.
I.e., people who can see but cannot easily make sense of the words/text

w3.org's WAI-ARIA recommendations help address some of the
accessibility concerns,
provided appropriate screen readers and such are made available.
The case of the print-impaired is likely to push recommendations to be more
semantics based so that both the screen readers and the user interfaces
can react to user contexts in a better way.

On the other hand, it can become a considerable effort for developers
to realize these
recommendations in getting the web applications to be sensitive to these users.
One way to understand the generalized context is by looking into how
these issues
can be addressed at the level of Web application development frameworks.

We are Bangalore based, working on an open source product, being
developed using Python.
The product is to address how various communities can manage their
information -- i.e., a
Web application which is also a framework for configuring information
management oriented
Web applications. Effort now has been in using Python, Django,
Mongodb, jQuery, ...

Some of the essential features of this product are:
Dynamically configurable forms and workflows
Cohabitation of multiple groups, workflows and communities
Accessible to non IT-savvy for configuring their information management needs
Extensibility of the framework
and
Accessible to a sizable print-impaired segment

other keywords:
design, xforms, bigtable, Ajax, foss, CSS, orca, platform,
scalable, mobiles, database, pantoto, indic, audio, video

We can afford kind of decent pay for one position - for now,
and certainly simply afford many positions/contributions

Send a note with indications of interest, experience, expectations;
 to work at servelots.com

More announcements in March of an alpha release, repositories and issues.

From tbd.lists at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 19:02:05 2010
From: tbd.lists at gmail.com (Tea BeeDi)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:32:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Accessibility Research and Product Development
Message-ID: <4573cd0e1002201002i6164fe17k28181014b112532c@mail.gmail.com>

Rich Internet Applications open a can of "user interfaces for all"
issues. In India we have a large number of people who may be
identified as print-impaired. I.e., people who can see but cannot
easily make sense of the words/text

w3.org's WAI-ARIA recommendations help address some of the
accessibility concerns, provided appropriate screen readers and
such are made available. The case of the print-impaired is likely
to push recommendations to be more semantics based so that is
both the screen readers and the user interfaces can react to user
contexts in a better way.

On the other hand, it can become a considerable effort for developers
to realize these recommendations in getting the web applications to be
sensitive to these users. One way to understand the generalized context
is by looking into how these issues can be addressed at the level of Web
application development frameworks.

Servelots is Bangalore based, working on an open source product/platform.
The product is to address how communities can manage their information
i.e., a Web application which is also a framework for configuring information
management oriented Web applications. Effort now has been in using
Python, Django, Mongodb, jQuery, ...

Some of the essential features of this product are:
Dynamically configurable forms and workflows,
Cohabitation of multiple groups, workflows and communities,
Accessible by non IT-savvy for configuring their information management needs,
Extensibility of the framework
and
Accessible by a sizable print-impaired segment

other keywords:
UI design, xforms, bigtable, Ajax, foss, orca, scalable, mobiles,
database, pantoto, indic, audio, video, social software,
school information management, e-gov

The project has one position open, for now, with kind of decent pay
and certainly can simply afford many positions/contributions.

Please send a descriptive note of interest to work at servelots.com

More announcements in March of an alpha release, repositories and issues.

From tbd.lists at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 19:04:09 2010
From: tbd.lists at gmail.com (Tea BeeDi)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:34:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Accessibility Research and Product Development
Message-ID: <4573cd0e1002201004v6f22a0d5hd56a3dbcb414b056@mail.gmail.com>

Rich Internet Applications open a can of "user interfaces for all"
issues. In India we have a large number of people who may be
identified as print-impaired. I.e., people who can see but cannot
easily make sense of the words/text

w3.org's WAI-ARIA recommendations help address some of the
accessibility concerns, provided appropriate screen readers and
such are made available. The case of the print-impaired is likely
to push recommendations to be more semantics based so that is
both the screen readers and the user interfaces can react to user
contexts in a better way.

On the other hand, it can become a considerable effort for developers
to realize these recommendations in getting the web applications to be
sensitive to these users. One way to understand the generalized context
is by looking into how these issues can be addressed at the level of Web
application development frameworks.

Servelots is Bangalore based, working on an open source product/platform.
The product is to address how communities can manage their information
i.e., a Web application which is also a framework for configuring information
management oriented Web applications. Effort now has been in using
Python, Django, Mongodb, jQuery, ...

Some of the essential features of this product are:
Dynamically configurable forms and workflows,
Cohabitation of multiple groups, workflows and communities,
Accessible to non IT-savvy for configuring their information management needs,
Extensibility of the framework
and
Accessible to a sizable print-impaired segment

other keywords:
UI design, xforms, bigtable, Ajax, foss, orca, scalable, mobiles,
database, pantoto, indic, audio, video, social software,
school information management, e-gov

The project has one position open, for now, with kind of decent pay
and certainly can simply afford many positions/contributions.

Please send a descriptive note of interest to work at servelots.com

More announcements in March of an alpha release, repositories and issues.

From ideamonk at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 13:54:56 2010
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:24:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ActiveState/O'Reilly Launch New and Improved Code
	Share Site (Python) via @Bret
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002191827x5e845600ta2d5c2c5260e935b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de1002191457g394030eexe1b5c7e2476ae3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c42eba11002191522s1ae29810o564a333c122bb08d@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002191827x5e845600ta2d5c2c5260e935b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64160c71002210454h4c4a88b8l8e2bd41b1e4bf363@mail.gmail.com>

Its pretty useful, though I prefer landing there from a google search
at times, solved a few urllib issues.

tfs

Abhishek

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Shashwat Anand
<anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> The site is the old one and still there but the* layout has changed* (I felt
> so).

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 15:45:30 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:15:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Students/Mentors for GSoC?
In-Reply-To: <45ec909c1002190822q5d31baex1c91359b431e8dd3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45ec909c1002190822q5d31baex1c91359b431e8dd3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100221144530.GB4498@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:52:50PM +0530, Yuvi Panda wrote:
> Hi! I'm planning to apply for GSoC this year, probably under PSF or Django.

Its a good idea. Do a lot of research and apply for something you
might enjoy to work on. Nothing else. 
I did during 2007 and carried further the same during 2008 and worked
on moving urllib to py3k.

Having a good mentor definitely helps. I am not applying as a mentor,
because I feel I am not qualified enough and also less time in my
hands.

-- 
Senthil
Microbiology Lab:  Staph Only!

From sree at mahiti.org  Mon Feb 22 07:28:57 2010
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:58:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Mozilla Dev Day, Bangalore: Saturday 27th Feb 2010
Message-ID: <313529611002212228t4493d65es54a24c95f84d0faf@mail.gmail.com>

Mozilla and Mahiti are organizing an informal developer-oriented conference
in Bangalore on Saturday February 27, 2010.

The Mozilla DevDay will be an opportunity for developers, open source
enthusiasts, and web aficionados who live in and around Bangalore, to meet
Mozilla staff and learn about the Mozilla Project and its technologies. The
DevDay is a free conference open to the general public. For more information
please visit: http://j.mp/BLRMozDevDay

All interested participants are requested to register by following this
link: http://j.mp/MozDevDayBLR

-- 
Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
Executive Director
Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
# 33-34, 2nd Floor,
Hennur Cross, Hennur Road,
Bangalore, India - 560043
Phone:  +91 80 4115 0580/1
Mobile:  +91 98455 12611
www.mahiti.org

From hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 22 15:48:33 2010
From: hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com (Hussain Bohra)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:48:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] [Matplotlab]: Generate only tabular report
Message-ID: <631533.29836.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

Can any one tell me how to generate only table using MatPlotLab.

Please find my code:

# do this before importing pylab or pyplot
import matplotlib

matplotlib.use('Agg')
from pylab import figure, table

fig = figure()


colLabels = ('Freeze', 'Wind', 'Flood', 'Quake', 'Hail')
rowLabels = ['%d year' % x for x in (100, 50, 20, 10, 5)]
cellText = [['66.4', '174.3', '75.1', '577.9', '32.0'], ['124.6', '555.4', '153.2', '677.2', '192.5'], ['213.8', '636.0', '305.7', '1175.2', '796.0'], ['292.2', '717.8', '456.4', '1368.5', '865.6'], ['431.5', '1049.4', '799.6', '2149.8', '917.9']]

table(cellText=cellText,
                  colLabels=colLabels)

fig.savefig('test12.png')

This gives me table but also the empty XY plot above the same. Refer the attached png image. Can any one please let me know how to remove this empty plot ?

 
Thanks and Regards,
Hussain Bohra
Tavant Technologies,
Bangalore-95
mail-to:hussain.bohra at tavant.com
mobile : +91 99867 95727


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From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 20:08:51 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:38:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DreamPie - A new Interactive Python Shell
Message-ID: <cae1cffe1002221108p771f6857sfa76108d9e38fe07@mail.gmail.com>

I remember a while ago we were talking about python shells. I came across
this. http://dreampie.sourceforge.net/

Note: I havent given it a try. Just sharing it incase someone finds it
useful. Share with us your thoughts if you do.

>From the website
DreamPie is a Python shell which is designed to be reliable and fun.

   - DreamPie features a new concept for an interactive shell: the window is
   divided into the *history box*, which lets you view previous commands and
   their output, and the *code box*, where you write your code. This allows
   you to edit any amount of code, just like in your favorite editor, and
   execute it when it's ready. You can also copy code from anywhere, edit it
   and run it instantly.
   - The *Copy code only* command will copy the code you want to keep, so
   you can save it in a file. The code is already formatted nicely with a
   four-space indentation.
   - Features automatic completion of attributes and file names.
   - Automatically displays function arguments and documentation.
   - Keeps your recent results in the *result history*, for later user.
   - Can automatically fold long outputs, so you can concentrate on what's
   important.
   - Lets you save the history of the session as an HTML file, for future
   reference. You can then load the history file into DreamPie, and quickly
   redo previous commands.
   - Supports interactive plotting with
matplotlib<http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/>
   .
   - Supports Python 2.5, Python 2.6, Jython 2.5, IronPython 2.6 and Python
   3.1.
   - Works on Windows and Linux.
   - Extremely fast and responsive.
   - Free software licensed under GPL version 3.


/jeff

From umar43 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 20:21:56 2010
From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:51:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DreamPie - A new Interactive Python Shell
In-Reply-To: <cae1cffe1002221108p771f6857sfa76108d9e38fe07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cae1cffe1002221108p771f6857sfa76108d9e38fe07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1854d0f91002221121m1f2385f3i22ccd0b401c55e86@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for sharing jeff ,
these shells prove to be very useful during testing things out,

so far i was using bpyton directly available from the ubuntu
repository. Will try this one out as wll.

-umar


On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> I remember a while ago we were talking about python shells. I came across
> this. http://dreampie.sourceforge.net/
>
> Note: I havent given it a try. Just sharing it incase someone finds it
> useful. Share with us your thoughts if you do.
>
> >From the website
> DreamPie is a Python shell which is designed to be reliable and fun.
>
> ? - DreamPie features a new concept for an interactive shell: the window is
> ? divided into the *history box*, which lets you view previous commands and
> ? their output, and the *code box*, where you write your code. This allows
> ? you to edit any amount of code, just like in your favorite editor, and
> ? execute it when it's ready. You can also copy code from anywhere, edit it
> ? and run it instantly.
> ? - The *Copy code only* command will copy the code you want to keep, so
> ? you can save it in a file. The code is already formatted nicely with a
> ? four-space indentation.
> ? - Features automatic completion of attributes and file names.
> ? - Automatically displays function arguments and documentation.
> ? - Keeps your recent results in the *result history*, for later user.
> ? - Can automatically fold long outputs, so you can concentrate on what's
> ? important.
> ? - Lets you save the history of the session as an HTML file, for future
> ? reference. You can then load the history file into DreamPie, and quickly
> ? redo previous commands.
> ? - Supports interactive plotting with
> matplotlib<http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/>
> ? .
> ? - Supports Python 2.5, Python 2.6, Jython 2.5, IronPython 2.6 and Python
> ? 3.1.
> ? - Works on Windows and Linux.
> ? - Extremely fast and responsive.
> ? - Free software licensed under GPL version 3.
>
>
> /jeff
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 

Charles de Gaulle  - "The better I get to know men, the more I find
myself loving dogs." -
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html

From santhosh.divakar at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 20:23:53 2010
From: santhosh.divakar at gmail.com (Santhosh Divakar)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:53:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] DreamPie - A new Interactive Python Shell
In-Reply-To: <cae1cffe1002221108p771f6857sfa76108d9e38fe07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cae1cffe1002221108p771f6857sfa76108d9e38fe07@mail.gmail.com>
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This is awesome. But, would there be any limitations with interactive shells
like these?.

-Thanks
Santhosh

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com>wrote:

> I remember a while ago we were talking about python shells. I came across
> this. http://dreampie.sourceforge.net/
>
> Note: I havent given it a try. Just sharing it incase someone finds it
> useful. Share with us your thoughts if you do.
>
> >From the website
> DreamPie is a Python shell which is designed to be reliable and fun.
>
>   - DreamPie features a new concept for an interactive shell: the window is
>   divided into the *history box*, which lets you view previous commands and
>   their output, and the *code box*, where you write your code. This allows
>   you to edit any amount of code, just like in your favorite editor, and
>   execute it when it's ready. You can also copy code from anywhere, edit it
>   and run it instantly.
>   - The *Copy code only* command will copy the code you want to keep, so
>   you can save it in a file. The code is already formatted nicely with a
>   four-space indentation.
>   - Features automatic completion of attributes and file names.
>   - Automatically displays function arguments and documentation.
>   - Keeps your recent results in the *result history*, for later user.
>   - Can automatically fold long outputs, so you can concentrate on what's
>   important.
>   - Lets you save the history of the session as an HTML file, for future
>   reference. You can then load the history file into DreamPie, and quickly
>   redo previous commands.
>   - Supports interactive plotting with
> matplotlib<http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/>
>   .
>   - Supports Python 2.5, Python 2.6, Jython 2.5, IronPython 2.6 and Python
>   3.1.
>   - Works on Windows and Linux.
>   - Extremely fast and responsive.
>   - Free software licensed under GPL version 3.
>
>
> /jeff
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>

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 07:59:18 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:29:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ActiveState/O'Reilly Launch New and Improved Code
	Share Site (Python) via @Bret
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	<7c42eba11002191522s1ae29810o564a333c122bb08d@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002191827x5e845600ta2d5c2c5260e935b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its pretty useful, though I prefer landing there from a google search
> at times, solved a few urllib issues.
>

Few things I liked about this.

1. Shows hits and rating per recipe right in the front page
2. Orders recipe based on a combination of #views and rating
    instead of submit time.
3. The "Fork this recipe" option - it is cool and I just made use of it.
4. License information shown on the recipe - so no ambiguity on this.

I didn't however like the "Hottest..." prefix. It sounds cheap and playing
to
the gallery.


> tfs
>
> Abhishek
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Shashwat Anand
> <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The site is the old one and still there but the* layout has changed* (I
> felt
> > so).
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 16:05:53 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:05:53 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone game for a meeting this weekend? i probably won't be back by
then but I don't like a meeting being missed.

I can present something during the first weekend on March
(specifically about PyCon in Atlanta). If that's fine, we can do 2
meetings in March (one which is the postponed Feb meeting) and the
other the actual March talk.

Thanks.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 16:34:03 2010
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:04:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> If that's fine, we can do 2
> meetings in March (one which is the postponed Feb meeting) and the
> other the actual March talk.
>


Yeah, I am fine with two meetings in March. I am catching up on some of the
PyCon news on twitter.
Eager to talk to you in person about it.

-- 
Arvind

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Tue Feb 23 17:04:34 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:34:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
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References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If that's fine, we can do 2
>> meetings in March (one which is the postponed Feb meeting) and the
>> other the actual March talk.
>>
> Yeah, I am fine with two meetings in March.

+1

I also will be available next weekend, but I would prefer Sunday (March 7).

Regards,
Baiju M

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 18:22:14 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:22:14 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1002230922p7ff24429i8996196f54325a64@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If that's fine, we can do 2
>>> meetings in March (one which is the postponed Feb meeting) and the
>>> other the actual March talk.
>>>
>> Yeah, I am fine with two meetings in March.
>
> +1
>
> I also will be available next weekend, but I would prefer Sunday (March 7).
>

Fine by me. Any other suggestions?



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 05:05:20 2010
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:35:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1002230922p7ff24429i8996196f54325a64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1002230922p7ff24429i8996196f54325a64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f271002232005y8849ebdq2ab46ef989613cfe@mail.gmail.com>

Could we meet when you folks are back? I'd like to present on
Cintinuous Integration and on "What are Unit Tests" with a focus on
experienced developers.

-- Sriram

On 2/23/10, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If that's fine, we can do 2
>>>> meetings in March (one which is the postponed Feb meeting) and the
>>>> other the actual March talk.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, I am fine with two meetings in March.
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I also will be available next weekend, but I would prefer Sunday (March
>> 7).
>>
>
> Fine by me. Any other suggestions?
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 05:13:21 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:13:21 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <49977f271002232005y8849ebdq2ab46ef989613cfe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1002230922p7ff24429i8996196f54325a64@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f271002232005y8849ebdq2ab46ef989613cfe@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could we meet when you folks are back? I'd like to present on
> Cintinuous Integration and on "What are Unit Tests" with a focus on
> experienced developers.
>
> -- Sriram[..]

Sure. Shall we do that for the Feb meeting (which will probably be in
the first week or March) or the March meeting (which will be in the
last week of March)?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com  Wed Feb 24 08:43:14 2010
From: sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com (Mehndi, Sibtey)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:13:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python module for SQL Server connection
Message-ID: <D3011539E222944C81E15DDF8F99C5E40501E57360@GCPWINGGN2EVS11.IND.CORP.AD>

Hi
     I have migrated my database from mysql to SQL SERVER. Could you please tell me the python module to be used to make the connection with SQL SERVER?


Thanks,
Sibtey Mehdi

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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 08:58:20 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:28:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python module for SQL Server connection
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Mehndi, Sibtey
<sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com> wrote:
> Hi
> ? ? I have migrated my database from mysql to SQL SERVER. Could you please tell me the python module to be used to make the connection with SQL SERVER?

try pymssql.

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Wed Feb 24 09:41:55 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:11:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python module for SQL Server connection
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb1002232358i4330812oc4520e7eabe179c4@mail.gmail.com>
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	<41139fcb1002232358i4330812oc4520e7eabe179c4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Mehndi, Sibtey
> <sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>> ? ? I have migrated my database from mysql to SQL SERVER. Could you please tell me the python module to be used to make the connection with SQL SERVER?
>
> try pymssql.

If you need ODBC, two non-free packages are available:
mxODBC & mxODBCConnect from: http://egenix.com/

There is a free ODBC based one also: http://pyodbc.sourceforge.net/

Regards,
Baiju M

From Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com  Wed Feb 24 11:44:57 2010
From: Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com (Goudar, Girish)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:44:57 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Passing structure
Message-ID: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B29DE@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>

Hi All,

 

I want to pass a structure (which contains int, float, char etc) from a
client program written in Python to a server program written in C
(Operating system is DEOS). But the "socket.send" command in Python
supports only String or Readonly buffer. I want to pass a structure.
Could you please help me on this?  

 

Thanks and Regards,

Girish P.G

 

 


From umar43 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 12:20:46 2010
From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:50:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Passing structure
In-Reply-To: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B29DE@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B29DE@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
Message-ID: <1854d0f91002240320k36c53e72gf16a16748ead3e0e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

If you are sending over the network, better use a protocol for such
communication,
on python side you can serialize the object into a json or xml string
and let the server handle the data accordingly.

regards,
umar

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Goudar, Girish
<Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I want to pass a structure (which contains int, float, char etc) from a
> client program written in Python to a server program written in C
> (Operating system is DEOS). But the "socket.send" command in Python
> supports only String or Readonly buffer. I want to pass a structure.
> Could you please help me on this?
>
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Girish P.G
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 

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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 20:04:55 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:34:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Passing structure
In-Reply-To: <1854d0f91002240320k36c53e72gf16a16748ead3e0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952C8B29DE@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
	<1854d0f91002240320k36c53e72gf16a16748ead3e0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31002241104j379dad54x744e47facfd9f43c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Umar Shah <umar43 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> If you are sending over the network, better use a protocol for such
> communication,
> on python side you can serialize the object into a json or xml string
> and let the server handle the data accordingly.
>

Use the "struct" module for converting a structure from/to string/struct
format. See the documentation of "struct" for details.

For simple usage of struct for this, see the recipe
http://code.activestate.com/recipes/457669/

--Anand


>
> regards,
> umar
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Goudar, Girish
> <Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to pass a structure (which contains int, float, char etc) from a
> > client program written in Python to a server program written in C
> > (Operating system is DEOS). But the "socket.send" command in Python
> > supports only String or Readonly buffer. I want to pass a structure.
> > Could you please help me on this?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and Regards,
> >
> > Girish P.G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ted Turner  - "Sports is like a war without the killing." -
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/ted_turner.html
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From vinayshastry at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 04:43:52 2010
From: vinayshastry at gmail.com (Vinay Shastry)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:13:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDFB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <1c4dc2781002090837ie5794cayc73c8048e12b8c3e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDFB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <868d32d21002241943s474f2cfdkcc11e9af602f8eb3@mail.gmail.com>

On 10 February 2010 09:37, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
> It's called TWICE ?, no matter with or without side effects.
> I asked this on SO,somebody came up with this answer!
>
>>>> def check():
> ? ? ? ?print 'Called Once'
> ? ? ? ?return 2
>
>>>> 1<check()<3
> Called Once
> True
>>>> 1<check() and check()<3
> Called Once
> Called Once
> True
>>>>
>
> Happy Hacking.
>
> Regards,
> ~ Srini T

It can be called just once too...

>>> def foo():
...   print "called"
...   return 0
...
>>> 1 < foo() and foo() < 3
called
False



-- 
Vinay S Shastry
http://thenub.one09.net

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 04:51:11 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:21:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <868d32d21002241943s474f2cfdkcc11e9af602f8eb3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2781002090837ie5794cayc73c8048e12b8c3e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDFB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> 
	<868d32d21002241943s474f2cfdkcc11e9af602f8eb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002241951h5b4a5776qfaf74228fec2bd1e@mail.gmail.com>

>
> It can be called just once too...
>
> >>> def foo():
> ...   print "called"
> ...   return 0
> ...
> >>> 1 < foo() and foo() < 3
> called
> False
>

This is because AND operator short-circuits. So when 1 < foo() is false, it
terminates then and there. Srinivas is correct here.

~l0nwlf

From vinayshastry at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 04:58:07 2010
From: vinayshastry at gmail.com (Vinay Shastry)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:28:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1002241951h5b4a5776qfaf74228fec2bd1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c4dc2781002090837ie5794cayc73c8048e12b8c3e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDFB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> 
	<868d32d21002241943s474f2cfdkcc11e9af602f8eb3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d4ab53de1002241951h5b4a5776qfaf74228fec2bd1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <868d32d21002241958t2a553d20u7a649f043429aa95@mail.gmail.com>

On 25 February 2010 09:21, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It can be called just once too...
>>
>> >>> def foo():
>> ... ? print "called"
>> ... ? return 0
>> ...
>> >>> 1 < foo() and foo() < 3
>> called
>> False
>>
>
> This is because AND operator short-circuits. So when 1 < foo() is false, it
> terminates then and there. Srinivas is correct here.
>

Yes, I'm just countering:
"It's called TWICE  , no matter with or without side effects."




-- 
Vinay S Shastry
http://thenub.one09.net

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Thu Feb 25 05:13:39 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:43:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
References: <1c4dc2781002090837ie5794cayc73c8048e12b8c3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDFB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<868d32d21002241943s474f2cfdkcc11e9af602f8eb3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002241951h5b4a5776qfaf74228fec2bd1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<868d32d21002241958t2a553d20u7a649f043429aa95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0CD4B340@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

I mean it to the function foo().

Thanks&Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, 
Mobile:9393099772, 



-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org on behalf of Vinay Shastry
Sent: Thu 2/25/2010 9:28 AM
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] date range
 
On 25 February 2010 09:21, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It can be called just once too...
>>
>> >>> def foo():
>> ... ? print "called"
>> ... ? return 0
>> ...
>> >>> 1 < foo() and foo() < 3
>> called
>> False
>>
>
> This is because AND operator short-circuits. So when 1 < foo() is false, it
> terminates then and there. Srinivas is correct here.
>

Yes, I'm just countering:
"It's called TWICE  , no matter with or without side effects."




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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Thu Feb 25 05:17:55 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:47:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] date range
References: <1c4dc2781002090837ie5794cayc73c8048e12b8c3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDFB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<868d32d21002241943s474f2cfdkcc11e9af602f8eb3@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4ab53de1002241951h5b4a5776qfaf74228fec2bd1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0CD4B341@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>>This is because AND operator short-circuits. So when 1 < foo() is false, it
>>terminates then and there.

is there any language which doesn't short circuit and,or,(|| ,&&)?
just curious .I never heard of any.

Thanks&Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, 
Mobile:9393099772, 

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From lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com  Thu Feb 25 08:21:15 2010
From: lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com (lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:21:15 -0000
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
Message-ID: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>

Hi,

 

We have a requirement of Calling Python script from C++.

 

So, For this we are trying to pass entire python script(Script has  both
method implementation and method calls are exist) as a string and
executing this string by using PyRun_SimpleString().

 

Our concern is that if python has a method with no arguments we are able
to execute it successfully

 

But If Method takes parameters or arguments ,then how do we can pass
values to that method and how can we execute it?

 

Could you please provide the solution.

 

Thanks and Regards,

Lakshmi Narasaiah C,

 


From gora at srijan.in  Thu Feb 25 09:11:21 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:41:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
In-Reply-To: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
References: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
Message-ID: <20100225134121.3f2ae2cb@ibis>

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:21:15 -0000
<lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
[...]
> We have a requirement of Calling Python script from C++.
[...]
> So, For this we are trying to pass entire python script(Script
> has  both method implementation and method calls are exist) as a
> string and executing this string by using PyRun_SimpleString().
[...]
> Our concern is that if python has a method with no arguments we
> are able to execute it successfully

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=python+call+c might be of help.

Regards,
Gora

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 12:41:18 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:11:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
In-Reply-To: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
References: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
Message-ID: <8e7c74321002250341s1b4a2b6cg2d79e40c29e284a5@mail.gmail.com>

could you give us a few more details? the deployment OS?


cheers!!!
Zubin



On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM,  <lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We have a requirement of Calling Python script from C++.
>
>
>
> So, For this we are trying to pass entire python script(Script has ?both
> method implementation and method calls are exist) as a string and
> executing this string by using PyRun_SimpleString().
>
>
>
> Our concern is that if python has a method with no arguments we are able
> to execute it successfully
>
>
>
> But If Method takes parameters or arguments ,then how do we can pass
> values to that method and how can we execute it?
>
>
>
> Could you please provide the solution.
>
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Lakshmi Narasaiah C,
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com  Thu Feb 25 13:16:33 2010
From: lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com (lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:16:33 -0000
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
In-Reply-To: <8e7c74321002250341s1b4a2b6cg2d79e40c29e284a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
	<8e7c74321002250341s1b4a2b6cg2d79e40c29e284a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D69CD@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>

Hi Zubin,

Deployment OS is RedHat Linux.

Here is the python file : Hello.py

Def sayHello(name):
	Print "Hello" + name

sayHello(arg)
 
and 

In c++ file, I am catching all the lines from the python file in string buffer and calling the PyRun_SimpleString(stringbuffer).
It is working fine without passing any argument. But I want to send the argument to this python file from c++ file.

Could you tell me how can I pass arguments to python file?


Thanks, 
Lakshmi. 

-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org [mailto:bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Zubin Mithra
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:11 PM
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.

could you give us a few more details? the deployment OS?


cheers!!!
Zubin



On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM,  <lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We have a requirement of Calling Python script from C++.
>
>
>
> So, For this we are trying to pass entire python script(Script has ?both
> method implementation and method calls are exist) as a string and
> executing this string by using PyRun_SimpleString().
>
>
>
> Our concern is that if python has a method with no arguments we are able
> to execute it successfully
>
>
>
> But If Method takes parameters or arguments ,then how do we can pass
> values to that method and how can we execute it?
>
>
>
> Could you please provide the solution.
>
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Lakshmi Narasaiah C,
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
_______________________________________________
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From raghavendra.gv.vanam at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 13:18:53 2010
From: raghavendra.gv.vanam at gmail.com (vanam)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:48:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Installing Spyder IDE]:Help
Message-ID: <4499cb6a1002250418pf342291k6f4d7f90fd15af02@mail.gmail.com>

I have been trying to install spyder ide but of no avail.
Downloaded and installed spyder-1.03_py26.exe

I have downloaded pyqt4 for that purpose(Direct Installer)
pyqt-py2.6-gpl-4.7-1.exe
after installing the above softwares and then launching Spyder
it is showing initialising and gets disappears.

Is that something or dependency i have missed to install?



--
Raghavendra  Vanam

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 14:28:31 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:58:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
In-Reply-To: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D69CD@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
References: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
	<8e7c74321002250341s1b4a2b6cg2d79e40c29e284a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D69CD@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
Message-ID: <8e7c74321002250528q3c2c84b9j42283b308d66a7e6@mail.gmail.com>

#!/usr/bin/python
# test.py
import sys
print sys.argv


$ python test.py myArgument

i hope this is what you required.



On 2/25/10, lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com <lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
> Hi Zubin,
>
> Deployment OS is RedHat Linux.
>
> Here is the python file : Hello.py
>
> Def sayHello(name):
> 	Print "Hello" + name
>
> sayHello(arg)
>
> and
>
> In c++ file, I am catching all the lines from the python file in string
> buffer and calling the PyRun_SimpleString(stringbuffer).
> It is working fine without passing any argument. But I want to send the
> argument to this python file from c++ file.
>
> Could you tell me how can I pass arguments to python file?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Lakshmi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org
> [mailto:bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
> Zubin Mithra
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:11 PM
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
>
> could you give us a few more details? the deployment OS?
>
>
> cheers!!!
> Zubin
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM,  <lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a requirement of Calling Python script from C++.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, For this we are trying to pass entire python script(Script has  both
>> method implementation and method calls are exist) as a string and
>> executing this string by using PyRun_SimpleString().
>>
>>
>>
>> Our concern is that if python has a method with no arguments we are able
>> to execute it successfully
>>
>>
>>
>> But If Method takes parameters or arguments ,then how do we can pass
>> values to that method and how can we execute it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Could you please provide the solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>>
>> Lakshmi Narasaiah C,
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


-- 
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Zubin

From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 14:48:29 2010
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:18:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
In-Reply-To: <8e7c74321002250528q3c2c84b9j42283b308d66a7e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
	<8e7c74321002250341s1b4a2b6cg2d79e40c29e284a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D69CD@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
	<8e7c74321002250528q3c2c84b9j42283b308d66a7e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6305ec601002250548i2f6895c9w212865a77186e4fe@mail.gmail.com>

Can you show me the stringbuffer what it contains?

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Zubin Mithra <zubin.mithra at gmail.com>wrote:

> #!/usr/bin/python
> # test.py
> import sys
> print sys.argv
>
>
> $ python test.py myArgument
>
> i hope this is what you required.
>
>
>
> On 2/25/10, lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com <lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
> > Hi Zubin,
> >
> > Deployment OS is RedHat Linux.
> >
> > Here is the python file : Hello.py
> >
> > Def sayHello(name):
> >       Print "Hello" + name
> >
> > sayHello(arg)
> >
> > and
> >
> > In c++ file, I am catching all the lines from the python file in string
> > buffer and calling the PyRun_SimpleString(stringbuffer).
> > It is working fine without passing any argument. But I want to send the
> > argument to this python file from c++ file.
> >
> > Could you tell me how can I pass arguments to python file?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lakshmi.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org
> > [mailto:bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam<bangpypers-bounces%2Blakshmi.chowdam>
> =bt.com at python.org] On Behalf Of
> > Zubin Mithra
> > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:11 PM
> > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
> >
> > could you give us a few more details? the deployment OS?
> >
> >
> > cheers!!!
> > Zubin
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM,  <lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We have a requirement of Calling Python script from C++.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So, For this we are trying to pass entire python script(Script has  both
> >> method implementation and method calls are exist) as a string and
> >> executing this string by using PyRun_SimpleString().
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Our concern is that if python has a method with no arguments we are able
> >> to execute it successfully
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But If Method takes parameters or arguments ,then how do we can pass
> >> values to that method and how can we execute it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Could you please provide the solution.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks and Regards,
> >>
> >> Lakshmi Narasaiah C,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BangPypers mailing list
> >> BangPypers at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> --
> cheers!!!
> Zubin
>  _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
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+91 9620621342
http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com
Bangalore

From lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com  Thu Feb 25 15:02:20 2010
From: lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com (lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:02:20 -0000
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
In-Reply-To: <8e7c74321002250528q3c2c84b9j42283b308d66a7e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net><8e7c74321002250341s1b4a2b6cg2d79e40c29e284a5@mail.gmail.com><EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D69CD@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
	<8e7c74321002250528q3c2c84b9j42283b308d66a7e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D6A84@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>

Hi Zubin,

Thanks a lot for the quick reply.

You are correct Zubin, we can execute python script individually as you
described. 

But my requirement is that,

Basically I want to call the python script from c++ program.

In the c++ program, I am creating the multi threads and calling the
thread function with a argument(argument contains the entire python code
as a string, for example > Def sayHello(name):
> 	Print "Hello" + name
>
> sayHello(arg)). 

In the function definition, I am taking 1 hard coded variable and needs
to pass this variable along with the string(python code) to
PyRun_SimpleString() and execute it.

Could you tell me the solution how to map the argument to the
string(python code) and pass to PyRun_SimpleString() and execute
successfully?

Thanks,
Lakshmi.

-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org
[mailto:bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of Zubin Mithra
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:59 PM
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.

#!/usr/bin/python
# test.py
import sys
print sys.argv


$ python test.py myArgument

i hope this is what you required.



On 2/25/10, lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com <lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
> Hi Zubin,
>
> Deployment OS is RedHat Linux.
>
> Here is the python file : Hello.py
>
> Def sayHello(name):
> 	Print "Hello" + name
>
> sayHello(arg)
>
> and
>
> In c++ file, I am catching all the lines from the python file in
string
> buffer and calling the PyRun_SimpleString(stringbuffer).
> It is working fine without passing any argument. But I want to send
the
> argument to this python file from c++ file.
>
> Could you tell me how can I pass arguments to python file?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Lakshmi.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org
> [mailto:bangpypers-bounces+lakshmi.chowdam=bt.com at python.org] On
Behalf Of
> Zubin Mithra
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:11 PM
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
>
> could you give us a few more details? the deployment OS?
>
>
> cheers!!!
> Zubin
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:51 PM,  <lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have a requirement of Calling Python script from C++.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, For this we are trying to pass entire python script(Script has
both
>> method implementation and method calls are exist) as a string and
>> executing this string by using PyRun_SimpleString().
>>
>>
>>
>> Our concern is that if python has a method with no arguments we are
able
>> to execute it successfully
>>
>>
>>
>> But If Method takes parameters or arguments ,then how do we can pass
>> values to that method and how can we execute it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Could you please provide the solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>>
>> Lakshmi Narasaiah C,
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


-- 
cheers!!!
Zubin
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
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From Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com  Thu Feb 25 15:45:47 2010
From: Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com (Goudar, Girish)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:45:47 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] pack and unpack
Message-ID: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952CADC9E4@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>

Hi,

 

I sent some data from TCP client written in Python running in Windows OS
using pack() function to the TCP server written in C code running in
DEOS operating system. I want to unpack the function at TCP server. How
to do?

 

Thanks and Regards,

Girish P.G

 


From steve at lonetwin.net  Fri Feb 26 10:10:39 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:40:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
In-Reply-To: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D6A84@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
References: <EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D67F4@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net><8e7c74321002250341s1b4a2b6cg2d79e40c29e284a5@mail.gmail.com><EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D69CD@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>	<8e7c74321002250528q3c2c84b9j42283b308d66a7e6@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF5523C5D9975941A4646B7A34EE51B2072D6A84@E03MVC1-UKBR.domain1.systemhost.net>
Message-ID: <4B87900F.6020305@lonetwin.net>

Hi,

On 02/25/2010 07:32 PM, lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com wrote:
> Hi Zubin,
>
> [...snip...]
> In the function definition, I am taking 1 hard coded variable and needs
> to pass this variable along with the string(python code) to
> PyRun_SimpleString() and execute it.
>
> Could you tell me the solution how to map the argument to the
> string(python code) and pass to PyRun_SimpleString() and execute
> successfully?
>

Is there any specific reason you choose to read the entire file and execute it 
using PyRun_SimpleString() as opposed to the more traditional and standard 
methods of using fork()+exec*() or system() functions ?

cheers,
- steve

-- 
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From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 11:17:15 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:47:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyAutoRun
Message-ID: <8e7c74321002260217n7041cacj861340887fb4b72e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I have been using python for quite some time; however this is the
first python project i have worked on.

The code is hosted at http://github.com/zubin71/PyAutoRun

The code needs re-factoring and feature additions; i have put up a
TODO list there too. It`d be great if anyone could work on this; i
intend to develop this further(with a bit of help) and will request
for its addition into debian and ubuntu repositories, in time.

Also, any kind of code-review, criticism, is also appreciated.
However, it`d be awesome if you could just fork it at github, pull,
modify and push. :)

Have a nice day!

cheers!!!
Zubin

From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 11:50:20 2010
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan Chakravarthy)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:20:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] change of facebook developers meetup date
Message-ID: <a803558d1002260250k2fc9bd6cpe60e378bfe83b953@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Since mozilla developer day is planned for 27th, we are moving the
bangalore facebook developer meetup to 1st sunday of march.

Next Meeting
===========

Time & Date: 3pm, 7th March
Venue:  Jaaga http://jaaga.wikidot.com/
Google Maps link:
http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=6204047418301939679&q=jaaga
Live directions :  contact  Deepan at 9945702482
Agenda:
Introduction to Bangalore Facebook Developers Group
Basics of creating a Facebook application
Networking


Regards
Deepan

+91 9945702482
http://www.hashcube.com
http://twitter.com/codeshepherd

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 12:28:04 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:58:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyAutoRun
In-Reply-To: <8e7c74321002260217n7041cacj861340887fb4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e7c74321002260217n7041cacj861340887fb4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100226112804.GA5042@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:47:15PM +0530, Zubin Mithra wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have been using python for quite some time; however this is the
> first python project i have worked on.

I see that the script is just a short cut utility, I personally feel opening
the file in the editor and then doing rest is easier for me than say I would
use this script.  However if this was some kind of coding exercise, it is good
for you.

> 
> The code is hosted at http://github.com/zubin71/PyAutoRun
> 
> The code needs re-factoring and feature additions; i have put up a
> TODO list there too. It`d be great if anyone could work on this; i

Some review comments.

in the core.py

---
import os, sys, random
---

This is usually discouraged. better would be  write one import in one line.
Also writing one import stmt in a line has the practical advantage that if you
were to use code parsing tools like 2to3, it would work properly.

---
from os import system
---

See if you can use subprocess.

---
EDITOR = "vim"
--- 

What if I want to use gedit? Would you provide an option?

---
dictionaryCompiled = {'c': 'gcc', 'cpp': 'g++', 'java': 'javac'}
dictionaryInterpreted = {'py': 'python', 'sh': 'bash', 'rb': 'ruby'}
---

globals are usually a sign that your program is incorrect. try to communicate
using args or better yes, create a class and use the methods in that class. And
thisFormat is not used python. Just use smallcase variable name.

---
def openfile(_file):
---

In all places, _file is not required. The exposed variables prefixed by _ are
understood to be private. In your case just use a better variable name fname.

---
    commandOPEN = EDITOR + " " + _file #make command line statement for opening a file
---
It could be COMMANDOPEN.



-- 
Senthil
American by birth; Texan by the grace of God.

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 13:46:29 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:16:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyAutoRun
In-Reply-To: <20100226112804.GA5042@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
References: <8e7c74321002260217n7041cacj861340887fb4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100226112804.GA5042@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
Message-ID: <8e7c74321002260446s32bb0d8bk3cb4f09762190d30@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for your review. However, i assume you did not go through
the README or the TODO file.
Nevertheless, necessary corrections have been made.
Thank you.

cheers!!!
Zubin



On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 03:47:15PM +0530, Zubin Mithra wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have been using python for quite some time; however this is the
>> first python project i have worked on.
>
> I see that the script is just a short cut utility, I personally feel opening
> the file in the editor and then doing rest is easier for me than say I would
> use this script. ?However if this was some kind of coding exercise, it is good
> for you.
>
>>
>> The code is hosted at http://github.com/zubin71/PyAutoRun
>>
>> The code needs re-factoring and feature additions; i have put up a
>> TODO list there too. It`d be great if anyone could work on this; i
>
> Some review comments.
>
> in the core.py
>
> ---
> import os, sys, random
> ---
>
> This is usually discouraged. better would be ?write one import in one line.
> Also writing one import stmt in a line has the practical advantage that if you
> were to use code parsing tools like 2to3, it would work properly.
>
> ---
> from os import system
> ---
>
> See if you can use subprocess.
>
> ---
> EDITOR = "vim"
> ---
>
> What if I want to use gedit? Would you provide an option?
>
> ---
> dictionaryCompiled = {'c': 'gcc', 'cpp': 'g++', 'java': 'javac'}
> dictionaryInterpreted = {'py': 'python', 'sh': 'bash', 'rb': 'ruby'}
> ---
>
> globals are usually a sign that your program is incorrect. try to communicate
> using args or better yes, create a class and use the methods in that class. And
> thisFormat is not used python. Just use smallcase variable name.
>
> ---
> def openfile(_file):
> ---
>
> In all places, _file is not required. The exposed variables prefixed by _ are
> understood to be private. In your case just use a better variable name fname.
>
> ---
> ? ?commandOPEN = EDITOR + " " + _file #make command line statement for opening a file
> ---
> It could be COMMANDOPEN.
>
>
>
> --
> Senthil
> American by birth; Texan by the grace of God.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 14:18:29 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:48:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyAutoRun
In-Reply-To: <8e7c74321002260446s32bb0d8bk3cb4f09762190d30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8e7c74321002260217n7041cacj861340887fb4b72e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100226112804.GA5042@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>
	<8e7c74321002260446s32bb0d8bk3cb4f09762190d30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c42eba11002260518s4b11df28of7311d6c6a2da2c4@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Zubin Mithra <zubin.mithra at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for your review. However, i assume you did not go through
> the README or the TODO file.

README - yes, I went through. TODO - no.
They were just suggestions. not corrections. the script was pretty
fine and should be working for you tough.
Also you can pass it through pep8ify script and see what it suggests.

-- 
Senthil

From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 16:24:36 2010
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan Chakravarthy)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:54:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] change of facebook developers meetup date
In-Reply-To: <a803558d1002260250k2fc9bd6cpe60e378bfe83b953@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a803558d1002260250k2fc9bd6cpe60e378bfe83b953@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a803558d1002260724h4c1b4192m20043663e721f55b@mail.gmail.com>

Please RSVP  at
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?invites&eid=279127284819 . Please
invite others to the event on facebook and tweet about the event.





On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Deepan Chakravarthy
<codeshepherd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Since mozilla developer day is planned for 27th, we are moving the
> bangalore facebook developer meetup to 1st sunday of march.
>
> Next Meeting
> ===========
>
> Time & Date: 3pm, 7th March
> Venue: ?Jaaga http://jaaga.wikidot.com/
> Google Maps link:
> http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=6204047418301939679&q=jaaga
> Live directions : ?contact ?Deepan at 9945702482
> Agenda:
> Introduction to Bangalore Facebook Developers Group
> Basics of creating a Facebook application
> Networking
>
>
> Regards
> Deepan
>
> +91 9945702482
> http://www.hashcube.com
> http://twitter.com/codeshepherd
>

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 17:17:24 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:47:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: PyCon 2011 - Call for Tutorial Volunteers
In-Reply-To: <a9f39a411002260623g53aa56che00651d7c40e1713@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9f39a411002260623g53aa56che00651d7c40e1713@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1002260817t34f01207p18b6fc11a53e59b6@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Lindstrom <gslindstrom at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:53 PM
Subject: PyCon 2011 - Call for Tutorial Volunteers
To: python-list at python.org, python-announce-list at python.org


PyCon 2010 is complete and plans for PyCon 2011 in Atlanta have already
begun!  The main conference will once again be proceeded by two days of
tutorials.  There was quite a bit of feedback from students and teachers
this year that we want to incorporate in next years classes.  In order to do
this, more people need to get involved; why not you?  You do not need to
have any experience in organizing a national conference, just the desire to
help out.  There is plenty to do from tasks that take a couple of hours to
others that span months and you will get help with everything.  The areas we
will be working on are:

* Proposals -  help with the call for tutorial proposals and selection of
classes
* Room Assignments - help get the selected tutorials assigned to classrooms
and monitor attendance numbers
* Notes - work with teachers to get class notes printed and distributed
* Program Guide - work with conference organizers to get tutorial
information in the conference guide
* Feedback - Work to get meaningful feedback from students and teachers (so
PyCon 2012 is even better!)
* Payments - collect information so our teachers get paid
* Runner - On tutorial days at the conference, make yourself available to do
whatever needs to be done.

It's a lot of work -- and a lot of fun-- to put on tutorials for PyCon each
year.  You won't get paid, but you will get one of the snappy "staff" tee
shirts when you attend PyCon and you get to work with an incredibly
dedicated group of volunteers.

Interested?  Please drop a note at pycon-tutorials at python.org and let us
know.

Thanks,

Greg Lindstrom
Tutorial Coordinator, PyCon 2011 (Atlanta)

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