From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 06:36:37 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 10:06:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
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Zubin Mithra <zubin.mithra at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> Is there anyway a sprint could be hosted during the conference?
>
> There is a lot of manpower in a conference such as Pycon-India and a lot
> could be achieved in a little time by hosting such a sprint. At the very
> least, it'll turn out to be a chance to kickstart one's contribution to
> Python.
>
> Also a typo in my earlier mail. Its PSF thats sponsoring the talks, not
> Pycon.

[...]

Sprints take time. You'll have to have one or two people REALLY good at
the project and a few others who are good with Python and enthusiastic
about helping. 

As Anand mentioned earlier, you have to walk before you can sprint and
that seems to be the pace at which we're moving here in India right now.

The idea is interesting though. Let's see if we can cook something up..

-- 

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 08:30:33 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:00:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
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On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Zubin Mithra <zubin.mithra at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > Is there anyway a sprint could be hosted during the conference?
> >
> > There is a lot of manpower in a conference such as Pycon-India and a lot
> > could be achieved in a little time by hosting such a sprint. At the very
> > least, it'll turn out to be a chance to kickstart one's contribution to
> > Python.
> >
> > Also a typo in my earlier mail. Its PSF thats sponsoring the talks, not
> > Pycon.
>
> [...]
>
> Sprints take time.


True. At least 6 hours for good results, I'd say.


> You'll have to have one or two people REALLY good at
> the project and a few others who are good with Python and enthusiastic
> about helping.
>

I was wondering if any of the speakers would be interested in taking the
lead.

Cheers!
zm

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 09:33:53 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:03:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
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Zubin Mithra <zubin.mithra at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> I was wondering if any of the speakers would be interested in taking
> the lead.

[...]

I'm not sure. I do know that Diptanu who proposed the rapidSMS
related talk was interested doing a sprint on rapidSMS. 

With the discussion at the outset on infogami vs. fossconf, there was
someone who mailed me about a sprint on fossconf.

I'm not sure we'll have enough time in 2 days to do anything substantial
though.

I suppose if we anticipated this kind of enthusiasm, we would have made
it a 3 day event. It will be hard to get the venue for that now though. 

-- 

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 09:34:14 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:04:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
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On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 12:00:33PM +0530, Zubin Mithra wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if any of the speakers would be interested in taking the
> lead.

If you would like hack around. Bring in your laptop and if the
connectivity is good and we find some place, we can get together and
fix a couple of bugs. Game?

-- 
Senthil

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From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 09:46:04 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:16:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
In-Reply-To: <20100801073414.GH17150@remy>
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On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 12:00:33PM +0530, Zubin Mithra wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if any of the speakers would be interested in taking the
> > lead.
>
> If you would like hack around. Bring in your laptop and if the
> connectivity is good and we find some place, we can get together and
> fix a couple of bugs. Game?
>
>
Cool. I was wondering if we could also have a small session to port packages
over to Python3k. I had a small discussion at SO about this, I have'nt
mailed python-dev regarding this yet.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3270332/py3k-libraries-porting


zm

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 09:43:03 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:13:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
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On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Zubin Mithra <zubin.mithra at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > I was wondering if any of the speakers would be interested in taking
> > the lead.
>
> [...]
>
> I'm not sure. I do know that Diptanu who proposed the rapidSMS
> related talk was interested doing a sprint on rapidSMS.
>
> With the discussion at the outset on infogami vs. fossconf, there was
> someone who mailed me about a sprint on fossconf.
>
> I'm not sure we'll have enough time in 2 days to do anything substantial
> though.
>
> I suppose if we anticipated this kind of enthusiasm, we would have made
> it a 3 day event. It will be hard to get the venue for that now though.
>
>
Yes, I understand that making such a quick decision when the event is just a
month away is not easy. Maybe hosting a formal sprint might be impractical
at this point, but could an informal one(informal in the sense that it could
be hosted the day just after Pycon) be conducted?

Anyone from Bangalore willing to take the lead on this one?

zm

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 10:27:57 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 13:57:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
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On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 01:16:04PM +0530, Zubin Mithra wrote:
> >
> Cool. I was wondering if we could also have a small session to port packages
> over to Python3k. I had a small discussion at SO about this, I have'nt
> mailed python-dev regarding this yet.
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3270332/py3k-libraries-porting


Okay Good. But just as I said, please be ready with "what you want to
work on" and we can get started.

Again, this is purely for interest's sake and to have little extra fun,
please don't blow up.

-- 
Senthil


From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 11:07:17 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:37:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
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On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 01:16:04PM +0530, Zubin Mithra wrote:
> > >
> > Cool. I was wondering if we could also have a small session to port
> packages
> > over to Python3k. I had a small discussion at SO about this, I have'nt
> > mailed python-dev regarding this yet.
> >
> > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3270332/py3k-libraries-porting
>
>
> Okay Good. But just as I said, please be ready with "what you want to
> work on" and we can get started.
>

Great! I'll keep in touch.


>
> Again, this is purely for interest's sake and to have little extra fun,
> please don't blow up.
>

Of course.

zm

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Sun Aug  1 11:19:42 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:49:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
In-Reply-To: <20100801082757.GA25400@remy>
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Hi,

I am interested to sprint on the project I am working on (
http://bluebream.zope.org ) .  But we don't have other active
contributors from India.  I can also mentor, if anyone interested. So,
if anyone interested, please contact me offlist.  You can also add
your name here:
http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/BangaloreSprintAtPyCONIndia2010

FYI, We had BlueBream (Zope 3) sprint conducted here in Bangalore long
back (2003):
http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/BangaloreSprint . So, this is going to be
the second sprint.

Regards,
Baiju M

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 11:35:48 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:05:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
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Hi Baiju,

Hi,
>
> I am interested to sprint on the project I am working on (
> http://bluebream.zope.org ) .  But we don't have other active
> contributors from India.  I can also mentor, if anyone interested. So,
> if anyone interested, please contact me offlist.  You can also add
> your name here:
> http://wiki.zope.org/bluebream/BangaloreSprintAtPyCONIndia2010


Cool! Could you put up a task-list of some sort which you would like people
to work on(and complete in under a maximum of 3-5 hours)? Details about the
version control you prefer/use  and the workflow you have in mind could also
help everyone on this ML get an insight on what exactly  needs to be done.

It would be great if you could provide those details.

Cheers!
zm

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 11:36:01 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:06:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] pycon hacksessions?
In-Reply-To: <20100801073414.GH17150@remy>
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On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 12:00:33PM +0530, Zubin Mithra wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if any of the speakers would be interested in taking the
> > lead.
>
> If you would like hack around. Bring in your laptop and if the
> connectivity is good and we find some place, we can get together and
> fix a couple of bugs. Game?
>

Awesomeness !!
I'm Game.


>
> --
> Senthil
>
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>
>
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From steve at lonetwin.net  Sun Aug  1 16:32:31 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:02:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to handle attribute access
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimbU7Qnkvhc4awtrd28zfp2kF09g-FY07NVdn=O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimbU7Qnkvhc4awtrd28zfp2kF09g-FY07NVdn=O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C55857F.9090803@lonetwin.net>

Hi,

On 08/01/2010 12:50 AM, Nitin Kumar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am working on automating some application. In one window say i have two
> ComboBox, but that window have scroll bar. Only one combo Box is visible at
> one time.
>
> I have functions to handle scroll of window.
>
> What i want is that how to handle attributes so that one i want to set some
> value in the combobox which is not visible, then first that scroll function
> is called then the comboBox will do what ever is required.
>

Let me get this - what you want is that the window should automatically scroll 
up/or down depending on which combobox you select, is that correct ?

If it is, I think you should mention the windowing toolkit that you are using. 
This sort of thing should be either automatically taken care of by the UI 
library or it should at least offer you a way to 'set' this property for the 
frame/widget.

So, what windowing toolkit are you using ?

cheers,
- steve

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what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Aug  2 08:15:19 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:45:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] silly question regarding virtualenv
Message-ID: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

I have a server with lenny on it. There was a demand for python 2.6 which I 
installed using apt-get with the unstable repo. Now how do I install 
virtualenv under python2.6?
-- 
Regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

From nkhalasi at vayana.in  Mon Aug  2 08:35:23 2010
From: nkhalasi at vayana.in (Naresh Khalasi)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:05:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] silly question regarding virtualenv
In-Reply-To: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimB=hr-W-qQTBReODyKFEEN0F6ABmstzNDVSb3h@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kenneth,

AFAIK one needs to download the virutalenv package and execute this
$ python virtualenv.py

Use appropriate options as per your needs.

- Naresh


On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> hi,
>
> I have a server with lenny on it. There was a demand for python 2.6 which I
> installed using apt-get with the unstable repo. Now how do I install
> virtualenv under python2.6?
> --
> Regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Aug  2 09:14:43 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:44:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] silly question regarding virtualenv
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimB=hr-W-qQTBReODyKFEEN0F6ABmstzNDVSb3h@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTimB=hr-W-qQTBReODyKFEEN0F6ABmstzNDVSb3h@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201008021244.43699.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday, August 02, 2010 12:05:23 pm Naresh Khalasi wrote:
> AFAIK one needs to download the virutalenv package and execute this
> $ python virtualenv.py

actually downloaded virtualenv tarball, expanded it and ran python2.6 setup.py 
install - worked.
-- 
Regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 09:32:51 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:02:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] silly question regarding virtualenv
In-Reply-To: <201008021244.43699.lawgon@au-kbc.org> (Kenneth Gonsalves's
	message of "Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:44:43 +0530")
References: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTimB=hr-W-qQTBReODyKFEEN0F6ABmstzNDVSb3h@mail.gmail.com>
	<201008021244.43699.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <87hbjdfp0c.fsf@gmail.com>

Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> writes:

> On Monday, August 02, 2010 12:05:23 pm Naresh Khalasi wrote:
>> AFAIK one needs to download the virutalenv package and execute this
>> $ python virtualenv.py
>
> actually downloaded virtualenv tarball, expanded it and ran python2.6 setup.py 
> install - worked.


That will install virtualenv in your global Python2.6 installation path.

To create one, you need to run virtualenv with the usual options
(--no-site-packages etc.). Make sure you run it with Python2.6




-- 

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Aug  2 09:37:55 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:07:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] silly question regarding virtualenv
In-Reply-To: <87hbjdfp0c.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<201008021244.43699.lawgon@au-kbc.org> <87hbjdfp0c.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201008021307.55344.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday, August 02, 2010 01:02:51 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > actually downloaded virtualenv tarball, expanded it and ran python2.6
> > setup.py  install - worked.
> 
> That will install virtualenv in your global Python2.6 installation path.

yes - that is what I want
> 
> To create one, you need to run virtualenv with the usual options
> (--no-site-packages etc.). Make sure you run it with Python2.6

that is upto the guy who wants virtualenv and python2.6 - but I tested it out 
and it works

-- 
Regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Aug  2 09:44:27 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:14:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python open source video
Message-ID: <201008021314.28088.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi

anyone aware of a python based software like http://corp.kaltura.com/
-- 
Regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

From sree at mahiti.org  Mon Aug  2 09:54:48 2010
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:24:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python open source video
In-Reply-To: <201008021314.28088.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201008021314.28088.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzTG48cvmNzfU=VyuePOoeT_S=BtyVhO8R+r5s@mail.gmail.com>

On 2 August 2010 13:14, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> hi
>
> anyone aware of a python based software like http://corp.kaltura.com/
>

Try Plumi.

http://blog.plumi.org/

- sree

> --
> Regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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#583, Vyalikaval HBCS Layout,
Nagawara, Veerannapalya,
Bangalore, India - 560043
Phone:  +91 80 4343 7373
Mobile:  +91 98455 12611
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From scorpion032 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 10:16:07 2010
From: scorpion032 at gmail.com (Lakshman Prasad)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:46:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] silly question regarding virtualenv
In-Reply-To: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin9vkiZ8_9ZauBJPur+OWg2YUcF34u8cCRXxpVB@mail.gmail.com>

> Now how do I install virtualenv under python2.6?

$ cd virtualenv/
$ path/to/python2.6 setup.py install

Or just symlink it,

$ ln -s path/to/virtualenv/sources /path/to/python2.6/dist-packages/

Assuming the unstable repo replaces and updates the python to 2.6, it is
just the normal "python setup.py install".

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> hi,
>
> I have a server with lenny on it. There was a demand for python 2.6 which I
> installed using apt-get with the unstable repo. Now how do I install
> virtualenv under python2.6?
> --
> Regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Aug  2 11:44:35 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:14:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] silly question regarding virtualenv
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin9vkiZ8_9ZauBJPur+OWg2YUcF34u8cCRXxpVB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008021145.19821.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTin9vkiZ8_9ZauBJPur+OWg2YUcF34u8cCRXxpVB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201008021514.36048.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday, August 02, 2010 01:46:07 pm Lakshman Prasad wrote:
> Assuming the unstable repo replaces and updates the python to 2.6, it is
> just the normal "python setup.py install".

it doesnt - everything else is running on 2.5 - only a new user wanted 2.6
-- 
Regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Aug  4 03:59:15 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:29:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
Message-ID: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

I have a lenny serverr with python2.5.x - recently setup virtualenv with 
python 2.6. I was trying to install PIL, and whether I use easy_install or use 
setup.py, I get the same error. The error message is a bit long, but maybe it 
will help to figure out what is wrong:

(env)lawgon at au-kbc:~/install/env/Imaging-1.1.6$ python setup.py install
running install
running build
running build_py
running build_ext
building '_imaging' extension
gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-
prototypes -fPIC -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBZ -I/usr/include/freetype2 -
IlibImaging -I/home/lawgon/install/env/include -I/usr/local/include -
I/usr/include -I/usr/include/python2.6 -c _imaging.c -o build/temp.linux-
i686-2.6/_imaging.o
_imaging.c:76:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory
In file included from libImaging/Imaging.h:14,
                 from _imaging.c:78:
libImaging/ImPlatform.h:14:2: error: #error Sorry, this library requires 
support for ANSI prototypes.
libImaging/ImPlatform.h:17:2: error: #error Sorry, this library requires ANSI 
header files.
libImaging/ImPlatform.h:55:2: error: #error Cannot find required 32-bit integer 
type
In file included from _imaging.c:78:
libImaging/Imaging.h:90: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ?INT32?
libImaging/Imaging.h:265: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 
?INT32?
libImaging/Imaging.h:393: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or 
?__attribute__? before ?ImagingCRC32?
_imaging.c:123: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ?PyObject_HEAD?
_imaging.c:127: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?PyTypeObject?
_imaging.c:141: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ?PyObject_HEAD?
_imaging.c:149: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?PyTypeObject?
_imaging.c:152: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ?PyObject_HEAD?
_imaging.c:158: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?PyTypeObject?
_imaging.c:163: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ?PyObject_HEAD?
_imaging.c:168: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?PyTypeObject?
_imaging.c:170: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c: In function ?_dealloc?:
_imaging.c:201: error: ?ImagingObject? has no member named ?image?
_imaging.c:202: warning: implicit declaration of function ?PyMem_DEL?
_imaging.c: At top level:
_imaging.c:207: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
_imaging.c: In function ?ImagingSectionEnter?:
_imaging.c:225: error: ?PyThreadState? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c:225: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
_imaging.c:225: error: for each function it appears in.)
_imaging.c:225: error: expected expression before ?)? token
_imaging.c: In function ?ImagingSectionLeave?:
_imaging.c:232: warning: implicit declaration of function 
?PyEval_RestoreThread?
_imaging.c:232: error: ?PyThreadState? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c:232: error: expected expression before ?)? token
_imaging.c: In function ?ImagingError_IOError?:
_imaging.c:253: warning: implicit declaration of function ?PyErr_SetString?
_imaging.c:253: error: ?PyExc_IOError? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c:254: error: ?NULL? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c: In function ?ImagingError_MemoryError?:
_imaging.c:260: warning: implicit declaration of function ?PyErr_NoMemory?
_imaging.c:260: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
_imaging.c: In function ?ImagingError_Mismatch?:
_imaging.c:266: error: ?PyExc_ValueError? undeclared (first use in this 
function)
_imaging.c:267: error: ?NULL? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c: In function ?ImagingError_ModeError?:
_imaging.c:273: error: ?PyExc_ValueError? undeclared (first use in this 
function)
_imaging.c:274: error: ?NULL? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c: In function ?ImagingError_ValueError?:
_imaging.c:281: error: ?PyExc_ValueError? undeclared (first use in this 
function)
_imaging.c:284: error: ?NULL? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c: At top level:
_imaging.c:316: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
_imaging.c:413: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:468: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
_imaging.c:536: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:568: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:580: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:592: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:604: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:613: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:624: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:635: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:646: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:668: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:692: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:709: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:726: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:735: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:752: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:762: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:773: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:805: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:840: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
_imaging.c:880: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:902: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:975: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:986: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:996: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? before 
?*? token
_imaging.c:1035: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1112: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1123: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1260: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1280: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1315: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1340: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1371: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1382: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1402: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1453: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1485: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1531: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1606: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1657: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1663: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1675: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1709: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1737: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1767: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1778: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1794: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1815: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1821: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1832: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1843: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1854: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1865: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1876: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1894: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1912: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1923: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1934: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1945: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1956: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:1974: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c: In function ?_font_dealloc?:
_imaging.c:2035: warning: implicit declaration of function ?Py_XDECREF?
_imaging.c:2035: error: ?ImagingFontObject? has no member named ?ref?
_imaging.c: In function ?textwidth?:
_imaging.c:2045: error: ?ImagingFontObject? has no member named ?glyphs?
_imaging.c: At top level:
_imaging.c:2050: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2098: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2108: error: array type has incomplete element type
_imaging.c:2109: error: ?PyCFunction? undeclared here (not in a function)
_imaging.c:2109: error: expected ?}? before ?_font_getmask?
_imaging.c:2110: error: expected ?}? before ?_font_getsize?
_imaging.c:2111: error: ?NULL? undeclared here (not in a function)
_imaging.c:2114: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2122: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c: In function ?_draw_dealloc?:
_imaging.c:2150: error: ?ImagingDrawObject? has no member named ?image?
_imaging.c: At top level:
_imaging.c:2154: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2156: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2171: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2191: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2228: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2246: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2283: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2299: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2352: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2367: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2400: error: expected ?)? before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2402: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2429: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2447: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2493: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2530: error: array type has incomplete element type
_imaging.c:2533: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_line?
_imaging.c:2534: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_lines?
_imaging.c:2536: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_outline?
_imaging.c:2538: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_polygon?
_imaging.c:2539: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_rectangle?
_imaging.c:2540: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_point?
_imaging.c:2541: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_points?
_imaging.c:2542: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_arc?
_imaging.c:2543: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_bitmap?
_imaging.c:2544: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_chord?
_imaging.c:2545: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_ellipse?
_imaging.c:2546: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_pieslice?
_imaging.c:2547: error: expected ?}? before ?_draw_ink?
_imaging.c:2552: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2561: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c: In function ?pixel_access_dealloc?:
_imaging.c:2586: error: ?PixelAccessObject? has no member named ?image?
_imaging.c: At top level:
_imaging.c:2590: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2601: error: expected declaration specifiers or ?...? before 
?PyObject?
_imaging.c:2601: error: expected declaration specifiers or ?...? before 
?PyObject?
_imaging.c: In function ?pixel_access_setitem?:
_imaging.c:2603: error: ?PixelAccessObject? has no member named ?image?
_imaging.c:2607: error: ?PixelAccessObject? has no member named ?readonly?
_imaging.c:2612: warning: implicit declaration of function ?_getxy?
_imaging.c:2612: error: ?xy? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c:2616: error: ?PyExc_IndexError? undeclared (first use in this 
function)
_imaging.c:2620: error: ?color? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c:2623: warning: implicit declaration of function ?getink?
_imaging.c:2629: error: ?struct ImagingMemoryInstance? has no member named 
?image32?
_imaging.c:2629: error: ?INT32? undeclared (first use in this function)
_imaging.c:2629: error: expected expression before ?)? token
_imaging.c: At top level:
_imaging.c:2640: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2659: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2670: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2687: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2707: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2742: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2763: error: array type has incomplete element type
_imaging.c:2766: error: expected ?}? before ?_getpixel?
_imaging.c:2767: error: expected ?}? before ?_putpixel?
_imaging.c:2769: error: expected ?}? before ?pixel_access_new?
_imaging.c:2772: error: expected ?}? before ?_convert?
_imaging.c:2773: error: expected ?}? before ?_convert2?
_imaging.c:2774: error: expected ?}? before ?_convert_matrix?
_imaging.c:2775: error: expected ?}? before ?_copy?
_imaging.c:2776: error: expected ?}? before ?_copy2?
_imaging.c:2780: error: expected ?}? before ?_crop?
_imaging.c:2781: error: expected ?}? before ?_expand?
_imaging.c:2782: error: expected ?}? before ?_filter?
_imaging.c:2783: error: expected ?}? before ?_histogram?
_imaging.c:2785: error: expected ?}? before ?_modefilter?
_imaging.c:2787: error: expected ?}? before ?_offset?
_imaging.c:2788: error: expected ?}? before ?_paste?
_imaging.c:2789: error: expected ?}? before ?_point?
_imaging.c:2790: error: expected ?}? before ?_point_transform?
_imaging.c:2791: error: expected ?}? before ?_putdata?
_imaging.c:2793: error: expected ?}? before ?_quantize?
_imaging.c:2796: error: expected ?}? before ?_rankfilter?
_imaging.c:2798: error: expected ?}? before ?_resize?
_imaging.c:2799: error: expected ?}? before ?_rotate?
_imaging.c:2800: error: expected ?}? before ?_stretch?
_imaging.c:2801: error: expected ?}? before ?_transpose?
_imaging.c:2802: error: expected ?}? before ?_transform2?
_imaging.c:2804: error: expected ?}? before ?_isblock?
_imaging.c:2806: error: expected ?}? before ?_getbbox?
_imaging.c:2807: error: expected ?}? before ?_getcolors?
_imaging.c:2808: error: expected ?}? before ?_getextrema?
_imaging.c:2809: error: expected ?}? before ?_getprojection?
_imaging.c:2811: error: expected ?}? before ?_getband?
_imaging.c:2812: error: expected ?}? before ?_putband?
_imaging.c:2813: error: expected ?}? before ?_fillband?
_imaging.c:2815: error: expected ?}? before ?im_setmode?
_imaging.c:2817: error: expected ?}? before ?_getpalette?
_imaging.c:2818: error: expected ?}? before ?_putpalette?
_imaging.c:2819: error: expected ?}? before ?_putpalettealpha?
_imaging.c:2823: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_invert?
_imaging.c:2824: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_lighter?
_imaging.c:2825: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_darker?
_imaging.c:2826: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_difference?
_imaging.c:2827: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_multiply?
_imaging.c:2828: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_screen?
_imaging.c:2829: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_add?
_imaging.c:2830: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_subtract?
_imaging.c:2831: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_add_modulo?
_imaging.c:2832: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_subtract_modulo?
_imaging.c:2833: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_and?
_imaging.c:2834: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_or?
_imaging.c:2835: error: expected ?}? before ?_chop_xor?
_imaging.c:2840: error: expected ?}? before ?_effect_spread?
_imaging.c:2844: error: expected ?}? before ?_new_array?
_imaging.c:2845: error: expected ?}? before ?_new_block?
_imaging.c:2848: error: expected ?}? before ?_save_ppm?
_imaging.c:2857: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c: In function ?image_length?:
_imaging.c:2886: error: ?ImagingObject? has no member named ?image?
_imaging.c: At top level:
_imaging.c:2891: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2906: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?image_as_sequence?
_imaging.c:2919: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?PyTypeObject?
_imaging.c:2940: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?PyTypeObject?
_imaging.c:2952: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?PyTypeObject?
_imaging.c:2966: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?pixel_access_as_mapping?
_imaging.c:2974: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?PyTypeObject?
_imaging.c:2996: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2997: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2998: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:2999: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3000: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3001: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3002: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3003: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3004: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3005: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3006: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3007: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3008: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3009: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3010: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3013: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3014: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3015: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3016: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3017: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3018: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3019: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3033: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3036: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3038: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3039: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?*? token
_imaging.c:3041: error: expected ?=?, ?,?, ?;?, ?asm? or ?__attribute__? 
before ?functions?
_imaging.c:3138: warning: return type defaults to ?int?
_imaging.c: In function ?DL_EXPORT?:
_imaging.c:3138: error: expected declaration specifiers before ?init_imaging?
_imaging.c:3149: error: expected ?{? at end of input
error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS At Au-kbc
http://nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 05:47:30 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:17:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <20100804034730.GA6987@remy>

On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 07:29:15AM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> hi,
> 
> I have a lenny serverr with python2.5.x - recently setup virtualenv with 
> python 2.6. I was trying to install PIL, and whether I use easy_install or use 
> setup.py, I get the same error. The error message is a bit long, but maybe it 
> will help to figure out what is wrong:

FWIW, I guess this has to do with the architecture of the package and
system you are trying to compile or install.

I had bookmarked a link which was helpful to me while installing PIL
under Ubuntu. See if that helps for you too.

http://www.answermysearches.com/fixing-pil-ioerror-decoder-jpeg-not-available/320/

-- 
Senthil

BOFH excuse #387:

Your computer's union contract is set to expire at midnight.

From ak.m.mail at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 05:48:13 2010
From: ak.m.mail at gmail.com (akm)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:18:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com>

> I have a lenny serverr with python2.5.x - recently setup virtualenv with
> python 2.6. I was trying to install PIL, and whether I use easy_install or use
> setup.py, I get the same error. The error message is a bit long, but maybe it
> will help to figure out what is wrong:
>
> (env)lawgon at au-kbc:~/install/env/Imaging-1.1.6$ python setup.py install
> running install
> running build
> running build_py
> running build_ext
> building '_imaging' extension
> gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-
> prototypes -fPIC -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBZ -I/usr/include/freetype2 -
> IlibImaging -I/home/lawgon/install/env/include -I/usr/local/include -
> I/usr/include -I/usr/include/python2.6 -c _imaging.c -o build/temp.linux-
> i686-2.6/_imaging.o
> _imaging.c:76:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory


This error occurs due to absence of Python development libraries.

$ sudo apt-get install python2.5-dev

This will install development headers and now you can build your PIL
successfully.

Thanks,
Abdul Kader M

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 08:15:03 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:45:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org> (Kenneth Gonsalves's
	message of "Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:29:15 +0530")
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <877hk6aopk.fsf@gmail.com>

Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> writes:


[...]

> _imaging.c:76:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory

[...]

This looks like your problem. You need the development libraries for the
Python version you're using. They're necessary to compile C
extensions. If you've installed from the repo., the package will be
available as -dev (e.g. python2.5-dev). If it's from source, there are a
couple of variables you need to set to tell distutils where to find 'lib'
and 'include'. 

Is directly "apt-get"ting pil not an option? That would save you from
the headache of having to compile etc.


-- 

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Aug  4 09:30:05 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:00:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201008041300.05470.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 04 August 2010 09:18:13 akm wrote:
> > i686-2.6/_imaging.o
> > _imaging.c:76:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory
> 
> This error occurs due to absence of Python development libraries.
> 
> $ sudo apt-get install python2.5-dev
> 
> This will install development headers and now you can build your PIL
> successfully.
> 

thanks - I am an idiot! easy_install worked, I see the egg in site-packages, 
but import PIL, or import Imaging both fail.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
http://nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From vinayshastry at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 10:51:07 2010
From: vinayshastry at gmail.com (Vinay Shastry)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:21:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <201008041300.05470.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201008041300.05470.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=973nUz6fpSQr=5yzSsY2cXc+oFxjJ12A-yiNJ@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 August 2010 13:00, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> thanks - I am an idiot! easy_install worked, I see the egg in site-packages,
> but import PIL, or import Imaging both fail.

Does "import Image" work?

If yes, easy_install and PIL don't work well with each other. For some
reason, PIL module is not available, but Image etc are directly
available when installed with easy_install.

You have 2 options - manual install of PIL using python setup.py
install, or use pip, the new easy_install (easy_install pip; pip
install pil)

-- 
Vinay S Shastry
http://thenub.one09.net

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Aug  4 12:13:31 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (lawgon at au-kbc.org)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:13:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=973nUz6fpSQr=5yzSsY2cXc+oFxjJ12A-yiNJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com>
	<201008041300.05470.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTi=973nUz6fpSQr=5yzSsY2cXc+oFxjJ12A-yiNJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc3eb46c5c134623c3240302dc3366e3.squirrel@secure.symonds.net>

> On 4 August 2010 13:00, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>>
>> thanks - I am an idiot! easy_install worked, I see the egg in
>> site-packages,
>> but import PIL, or import Imaging both fail.
>
> Does "import Image" work?
>

yes import Image works



From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 13:00:49 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 16:30:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <cc3eb46c5c134623c3240302dc3366e3.squirrel@secure.symonds.net>
	(lawgon@au-kbc.org's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 2010 03:13:31 -0700
	(PDT)")
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com>
	<201008041300.05470.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTi=973nUz6fpSQr=5yzSsY2cXc+oFxjJ12A-yiNJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cc3eb46c5c134623c3240302dc3366e3.squirrel@secure.symonds.net>
Message-ID: <871vaebq1q.fsf@gmail.com>

lawgon at au-kbc.org writes:

>> On 4 August 2010 13:00, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> thanks - I am an idiot! easy_install worked, I see the egg in
>>> site-packages,
>>> but import PIL, or import Imaging both fail.
>>
>> Does "import Image" work?
>>
>
> yes import Image works

[...]

There isn't a PIL or an Imaging top level module in the PIL package. 
http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/

If importing "Image" works, I think it's installed properly. 

-- 

From vinayshastry at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 16:38:15 2010
From: vinayshastry at gmail.com (Vinay Shastry)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:08:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <871vaebq1q.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com> 
	<201008041300.05470.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTi=973nUz6fpSQr=5yzSsY2cXc+oFxjJ12A-yiNJ@mail.gmail.com> 
	<cc3eb46c5c134623c3240302dc3366e3.squirrel@secure.symonds.net> 
	<871vaebq1q.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdT8zsUkDGuNxdVxGcCMxExtm51ysbaGo+qL36@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 August 2010 16:30, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> There isn't a PIL or an Imaging top level module in the PIL package.
> http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/
>
> If importing "Image" works, I think it's installed properly.


A lot of 3rd party apps/modules (plone for example) do "from PIL import Image".

Some examples in the handbook also use the PIL module.
http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/image.htm


-- 
Vinay S Shastry
http://thenub.one09.net

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 16:58:00 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:28:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdT8zsUkDGuNxdVxGcCMxExtm51ysbaGo+qL36@mail.gmail.com>
	(Vinay Shastry's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:08:15 +0530")
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com>
	<201008041300.05470.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTi=973nUz6fpSQr=5yzSsY2cXc+oFxjJ12A-yiNJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cc3eb46c5c134623c3240302dc3366e3.squirrel@secure.symonds.net>
	<871vaebq1q.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikdT8zsUkDGuNxdVxGcCMxExtm51ysbaGo+qL36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8739uua0hz.fsf@gmail.com>

Vinay Shastry <vinayshastry at gmail.com> writes:

> On 4 August 2010 16:30, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> There isn't a PIL or an Imaging top level module in the PIL package.
>> http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/
>>
>> If importing "Image" works, I think it's installed properly.
>
>
> A lot of 3rd party apps/modules (plone for example) do "from PIL import Image".
>
> Some examples in the handbook also use the PIL module.
> http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/image.htm

Ah okay. My bad. I hadn't noticed that.

Thanks
-- 

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Aug  5 02:35:04 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:05:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Imaging will not compile
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdT8zsUkDGuNxdVxGcCMxExtm51ysbaGo+qL36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008040729.15958.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTiktqM--KGUVTC952ftjpx_HyooUE7Dp2JE_j1Cj@mail.gmail.com>
	<201008041300.05470.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<AANLkTi=973nUz6fpSQr=5yzSsY2cXc+oFxjJ12A-yiNJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cc3eb46c5c134623c3240302dc3366e3.squirrel@secure.symonds.net>
	<871vaebq1q.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikdT8zsUkDGuNxdVxGcCMxExtm51ysbaGo+qL36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1280968504.3358.43.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 20:08 +0530, Vinay Shastry wrote:
> On 4 August 2010 16:30, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > There isn't a PIL or an Imaging top level module in the PIL package.
> > http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/
> >
> > If importing "Image" works, I think it's installed properly.
> 
> 
> A lot of 3rd party apps/modules (plone for example) do "from PIL
> import Image".
> 
> 

using python2.6 setup.py install does it properly. Import PIL works
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From kpguy1975 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 06:37:43 2010
From: kpguy1975 at gmail.com (Vikram K)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:07:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] string to list query
Message-ID: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>

Suppose i have this string:
z = 'AT/CG'

How do i get this list:

zlist = ['A','T/C','G']

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 06:45:34 2010
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:15:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] string to list query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=7s2u7KuST6xFNc1rkpYx890j2Fpzbk=5o3-EE@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Suppose i have this string:
> z = 'AT/CG'
>
> How do i get this list:
>
> zlist = ['A','T/C','G']
>

This is a very poorly specified question. And in absence of any information
about what exactly are the constraints on the input, and what is the
difficulty you're trying to overcome (and indeed no information about what
you tried already), I am going with the simplest solution:

zlist = [z[0:1], z[1:4], z[4:5]]

It looks like you're doing some DNA analysis, and I would guess that all
these strings will be 5 characters, I'm sure my solution will work fine.

From nitin.nitp at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 08:11:15 2010
From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:41:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] string to list query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=7s2u7KuST6xFNc1rkpYx890j2Fpzbk=5o3-EE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=7s2u7KuST6xFNc1rkpYx890j2Fpzbk=5o3-EE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=M7YEDXsDTaXrRxcR65239HqujsUNVdrwF=_Cd@mail.gmail.com>

Below answer from Navin if good one, to make it more complex :) you can use

>>> z
'AT/CG'
>>> re.split('[A-Z]/[A-Z]',z)
['A', 'G']
>>> re.search('[A-Z]/[A-Z]',z).group()
'T/C'

using these two you can get your answer

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Suppose i have this string:
> > z = 'AT/CG'
> >
> > How do i get this list:
> >
> > zlist = ['A','T/C','G']
> >
>
> This is a very poorly specified question. And in absence of any information
> about what exactly are the constraints on the input, and what is the
> difficulty you're trying to overcome (and indeed no information about what
> you tried already), I am going with the simplest solution:
>
> zlist = [z[0:1], z[1:4], z[4:5]]
>
> It looks like you're doing some DNA analysis, and I would guess that all
> these strings will be 5 characters, I'm sure my solution will work fine.
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From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Thu Aug  5 08:58:28 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:28:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] string to list query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiku4w5CLRiZ-3VcYw6X7VaF3Z2KOviHLcFsDBWZ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Suppose i have this string:
> z = 'AT/CG'
>
> How do i get this list:
>
> zlist = ['A','T/C','G']

One solution, please verify:

def group_seq(seq):
    seq_out = []
    skip = 0
    seq_len = len(seq)

    for i,char in enumerate(seq):
        if skip > 0:
            skip = skip - 1
            continue
        if seq_len <= i+1:
            seq_out.append(char)
            break
        if seq[i+1] == '/':
            seq_out.append(char+seq[i+1]+seq[i+2])
            skip = 2
        else:
            seq_out.append(char)
    return seq_out

if __name__ == "__main__":
    seq = "AT/CG"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)
    seq = "A/UT/CG"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)
    seq = "A/UT/CG/A"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)
    seq = "AT/CGAAA"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)
    seq = "AT/CGAAG/CG/TCA"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)

Regards,
Baiju M

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Thu Aug  5 09:17:49 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:47:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] string to list query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiku4w5CLRiZ-3VcYw6X7VaF3Z2KOviHLcFsDBWZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiku4w5CLRiZ-3VcYw6X7VaF3Z2KOviHLcFsDBWZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimiQy+LvpgfkZzj8GBQv_Pxo78f6FjN5qdo-jt1@mail.gmail.com>

Simplified:

def group_seq(seq):
    seq_out = []
    slash_found = False

    for char in seq:
        if slash_found:
            seq_out[-1] = seq_out[-1]+char
            slash_found = False
            continue
        if char == '/':
            seq_out[-1] = seq_out[-1]+char
            slash_found = True
            continue
        seq_out.append(char)
    return seq_out

if __name__ == "__main__":
    seq = "AT/CG"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)
    seq = "A/UT/CG"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)
    seq = "A/UT/CG/A"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)
    seq = "AT/CGAAA"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)
    seq = "AT/CGAAG/CG/TCA"
    print seq, group_seq(seq)

--
Baiju M

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 10:04:31 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:34:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] string to list query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimiQy+LvpgfkZzj8GBQv_Pxo78f6FjN5qdo-jt1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiku4w5CLRiZ-3VcYw6X7VaF3Z2KOviHLcFsDBWZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimiQy+LvpgfkZzj8GBQv_Pxo78f6FjN5qdo-jt1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikGhJixyjSq7jBFn6AWvqZi4rp-wSeEpUYd3q+-@mail.gmail.com>

>>> s='AT/CG'
>>> m=re.compile(r'([A-Z]+)([A-Z]/[A-Z])([A-Z]+)', re.IGNORECASE)
>>> m.match(s).groups()
('A', 'T/C', 'G')


--Anand

From rajeev.nair at mahiti.org  Thu Aug  5 13:02:35 2010
From: rajeev.nair at mahiti.org (Rajeev Nair)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:32:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Re - [Training Requirement] Python crash course in
	Reva engineering college on August 7th
Message-ID: <AANLkTikX38_Dd9NZOn+NzPXRbFyftXKuV03qX1Hpas9-@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

As part of the awareness building programme for PyCon India, i have been
doing the rounds of a few colleges in and around Bangalore, Reva engineering
college has confirmed date for a crash course on  August 7 Saturday ,from  2
pm - 4.30 pm .

Anyone would like to volunteer and do the session ?

Address :  Reva institute of technology   , yelahanka,bagalur
cross,kattigenahalli ,BSF stop.
Contact person : Dr. Vijay Kumar  HOD CS

Iam waiting for confirmed dates from a few more colleges ,that should happen
by mid august since most colleges are just opening after vacation.


rajeev

From nitin.nitp at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 17:30:53 2010
From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:00:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Re - [Training Requirement] Python crash course in
	Reva engineering college on August 7th
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikX38_Dd9NZOn+NzPXRbFyftXKuV03qX1Hpas9-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikX38_Dd9NZOn+NzPXRbFyftXKuV03qX1Hpas9-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsgvveZjShX_mrsRpPUEJi=EmkpTDLwHZG7WNk@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested, but the date/ time mentioned is bit difficult for me :(

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Rajeev Nair <rajeev.nair at mahiti.org> wrote:

> Hi
>
> As part of the awareness building programme for PyCon India, i have been
> doing the rounds of a few colleges in and around Bangalore, Reva
> engineering
> college has confirmed date for a crash course on  August 7 Saturday ,from
>  2
> pm - 4.30 pm .
>
> Anyone would like to volunteer and do the session ?
>
> Address :  Reva institute of technology   , yelahanka,bagalur
> cross,kattigenahalli ,BSF stop.
> Contact person : Dr. Vijay Kumar  HOD CS
>
> Iam waiting for confirmed dates from a few more colleges ,that should
> happen
> by mid august since most colleges are just opening after vacation.
>
>
> rajeev
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 19:32:28 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:02:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] string to list query
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik=qEgZwYHgiUSu0CzLBpP78WRcO_yXY0A3FG8B@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHNj++RPrZYgKXur9fckn6SmECYUdeesAEiU9+@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a slightly different approach

def splitter(input):
    buffer = []
    slash = False
    for char in input :
        if len(buffer) == 0 :
            buffer.append(char)
        elif char == '/' :
            buffer.append(char)
            slash = True
        elif slash :
            buffer.append(char)
            slash = False
        else :
            yield "".join(buffer)
            buffer = [char]
    if len(buffer) > 0 :
        yield "".join(buffer)


print tuple(splitter('AT/CG'))


On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Vikram K <kpguy1975 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Suppose i have this string:
> z = 'AT/CG'
>
> How do i get this list:
>
> zlist = ['A','T/C','G']
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 23:30:27 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 03:00:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python speed comparison
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilSANdxgbi6GBD8TSNiQ-e49mUFNXULx8BTUUHR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilSANdxgbi6GBD8TSNiQ-e49mUFNXULx8BTUUHR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=zRtM_vnOig8MeN322g0Ov+PPq_OQOcG0Frk5k@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Emil Chacko <emilchacko at gmail.com> wrote:

> Below given is solution to a puzzle(
> http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=14) in python and c
>
> Python:
>
> import time
> startT=time.time()
> maxlen=0
> longest=0
> for i in xrange(1,1000000):
>  last=i
>  cnt=0
>  while(last <> 1):
>  cnt=cnt+1
>  if(last%2==0):
>   last=last/2
>  else:
>   last=3*last+1
>  if(cnt>maxlen):
>  maxlen=cnt
>  longest=i
> print "time taken (sec) : ",time.time()-startT
> print maxlen,longest
>
> Python Output:
> time taken (sec) :  99.4702298641
> 524 837799
>
> C:
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> int main(int argc, char **argv)
> {
> int longest = 0;
> int maxlen = 0;
> int i;
> unsigned long last;
> for (i = 1; i <= 1000000; i++)
> {
>  last = i;
>  int cnt = 0;
>  while (last != 1)
>  {
>  cnt++;
>   if (last % 2 == 0)
>    last = last / 2;
>  else
>    last = 3 * last + 1;
>  }
>  if (cnt > maxlen)
>  {
>  maxlen = cnt;
>  longest = i;
>  }
> }
> printf("longest: %d (%d)\n", longest, maxlen);
> return 0;
> }
>
>
> My doubt is that in C the result comes in 1-2 sec but in python it takes 99
> secs.I don't expect python to be as fast as c but i cant understand why it
> should be so slow in python.i'm new to python so if there is better way to
> do the above prog in python please suggest.
>

Your python code as is clocked about 72 seconds on my notebook. The
following came in at about 4.6 seconds (just has a small trick of reusing
earlier results)

import time
start =time.time()
longest = None
longest_elements = 0
solved = {}
for val in xrange(1,1000000) :
    counter = 1
    number = val
    while number != 1 :
        number = number / 2 if number % 2 == 0 else 3 * number + 1
        if number in solved :
            counter = counter + solved[number]
            break
        else :
            counter = counter + 1
    if counter > longest_elements :
        longest_elements = counter
        longest = val
    solved[val] = counter
end = time.time()
print "Time:", end - start
print longest, ':', longest_elements

Dhananjay

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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 04:01:26 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:31:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python speed comparison
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=zRtM_vnOig8MeN322g0Ov+PPq_OQOcG0Frk5k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilSANdxgbi6GBD8TSNiQ-e49mUFNXULx8BTUUHR@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=zRtM_vnOig8MeN322g0Ov+PPq_OQOcG0Frk5k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQ2kmqprv6DzYxaxFo2GRAnKPB+cD5UExK8oTn@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Emil Chacko <emilchacko at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Below given is solution to a puzzle(
> > http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problems&id=14) in python and
> c
> >
> > Python:
> >
> > import time
> > startT=time.time()
> > maxlen=0
> > longest=0
> > for i in xrange(1,1000000):
> >  last=i
> >  cnt=0
> >  while(last <> 1):
> >  cnt=cnt+1
> >  if(last%2==0):
> >   last=last/2
> >  else:
> >   last=3*last+1
> >  if(cnt>maxlen):
> >  maxlen=cnt
> >  longest=i
> > print "time taken (sec) : ",time.time()-startT
> > print maxlen,longest
> >
> > Python Output:
> > time taken (sec) :  99.4702298641
> > 524 837799
> >
> > C:
> >
> > #include <stdio.h>
> > int main(int argc, char **argv)
> > {
> > int longest = 0;
> > int maxlen = 0;
> > int i;
> > unsigned long last;
> > for (i = 1; i <= 1000000; i++)
> > {
> >  last = i;
> >  int cnt = 0;
> >  while (last != 1)
> >  {
> >  cnt++;
> >   if (last % 2 == 0)
> >    last = last / 2;
> >  else
> >    last = 3 * last + 1;
> >  }
> >  if (cnt > maxlen)
> >  {
> >  maxlen = cnt;
> >  longest = i;
> >  }
> > }
> > printf("longest: %d (%d)\n", longest, maxlen);
> > return 0;
> > }
> >
> >
> > My doubt is that in C the result comes in 1-2 sec but in python it takes
> 99
> > secs.I don't expect python to be as fast as c but i cant understand why
> it
> > should be so slow in python.i'm new to python so if there is better way
> to
> > do the above prog in python please suggest.
> >
>
> Your python code as is clocked about 72 seconds on my notebook. The
> following came in at about 4.6 seconds (just has a small trick of reusing
> earlier results)
>
> import time
> start =time.time()
> longest = None
> longest_elements = 0
> solved = {}
> for val in xrange(1,1000000) :
>    counter = 1
>    number = val
>    while number != 1 :
>        number = number / 2 if number % 2 == 0 else 3 * number + 1
>        if number in solved :
>            counter = counter + solved[number]
>            break
>        else :
>            counter = counter + 1
>    if counter > longest_elements :
>        longest_elements = counter
>        longest = val
>    solved[val] = counter
> end = time.time()
> print "Time:", end - start
> print longest, ':', longest_elements
>
> Dhananjay
>


Good approach. I remember solving around 50 or so project
euler problems a while back in Python and I used caching
of previous results in a dictionary for most complex
problems which speeded up the calculation tremendously.

 This technique is often called "memoization".

 In Python, caching/memoizing decorators can often
 be used to solve this problem.


>
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> >
>
>
>
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From rahul8590 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 16:20:31 2010
From: rahul8590 at gmail.com (Rahul R)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:20:31 +0400
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary one
Message-ID: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>

i was writing some basic code . for understanding lambda functions , but
couldnt understand the difference between a lambda function and an ordinary
function.

for example

>>>def f (x): return x**2
...
>>> print f(8)
>>> 64
>>> g = lambda x: x**2
>>>
>>> print g(8)
>>> 64

wats a need for using lambda functions ..?

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 16:34:08 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:04:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary
	one
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=YzdipjL0_b71qp5Xe9AVLzGjogP9nKfp4H=Qo@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> i was writing some basic code . for understanding lambda functions , but
> couldnt understand the difference between a lambda function and an ordinary
> function.
>
> for example
>
> >>>def f (x): return x**2
> ...
> >>> print f(8)
> >>> 64
> >>> g = lambda x: x**2
> >>>
> >>> print g(8)
> >>> 64
>
> wats a need for using lambda functions ..?
>

Lambda functions are generally used where you need one liner functions to
get things done. It was a feature which was considered for removal in py3k
but there were too many people who loved the feature. :)

Personally I feel that lambda functions are great as long as they are
readable.

zm

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 16:34:04 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:04:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary
	one
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikiEVfrSAiYV2N1snOObKEicsrkMBsO1Su9cQ0a@mail.gmail.com>

2010/8/6 Rahul R <rahul8590 at gmail.com>:
> i was writing some basic code . for understanding lambda functions , but
> couldnt understand the difference between a lambda function and an ordinary
> function.
>
> for example
>
>>>>def f (x): return x**2
> ...
>>>> print f(8)
>>>> 64
>>>> g = lambda x: x**2
>>>>
>>>> print g(8)
>>>> 64
>
> wats a need for using lambda functions ..?

Lambda functions are expressions. You can define a lambda function
inside a function call or a dictionary definition, which is not
possible with regular functions. For example:

d.sort(key=lambda x: x.lower())

functions = {
    "lower": lambda k: k.lower(),
    "upper": lambda k: k.upper()
}

Anand

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Fri Aug  6 16:36:16 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:36:16 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary
	one
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinvMO_n+rjxii+sx7DPFQEj=E_1BjwYA9b3brD3@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Rahul R <rahul8590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> i was writing some basic code . for understanding lambda functions , but
> couldnt understand the difference between a lambda function and an ordinary
> function.
>
> for example
>
>>>>def f (x): return x**2
> ...
>>>> print f(8)
>>>> 64
>>>> g = lambda x: x**2
>>>>
>>>> print g(8)
>>>> 64
>
> wats a need for using lambda functions ..?

You mean "what's the need for using lambda functions?"

Lambda functions are anonymous functions, ie., functions without a name.
Along with map, reduce, filter, lambda functions provide functional
programming[1]
constructs to python.

You can write code like this:

from operator import add
print reduce(add, filter(lambda x: x%2==0, xrange(10)))

to print the sum of even numbers less than 10
instead of:
tot = 0
for i in xrange(10):
....if i%2 == 0:
........tot += i
print tot

...

Anyway,
One does not "need" to use lambda function. Almost in all the places where
you use lambda functions, you can replace it with a named function with
added benefit of clarity.

Python lambdas are limited to a single statement, which makes them particularly
hobbled.

Guido is not very fond of FP constructs, in fact he wanted to remove
them from python 3.
After much discussion, lambda survived in Py3.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_programming

From ideamonk at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 16:38:53 2010
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:08:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python speed comparison
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=zRtM_vnOig8MeN322g0Ov+PPq_OQOcG0Frk5k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilSANdxgbi6GBD8TSNiQ-e49mUFNXULx8BTUUHR@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=zRtM_vnOig8MeN322g0Ov+PPq_OQOcG0Frk5k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUXySiQZkcbf=PQaCikbYoZH67_6Zmj+XSHrwx@mail.gmail.com>

>
> <snip>
>


> Your python code as is clocked about 72 seconds on my notebook. The
> following came in at about 4.6 seconds (just has a small trick of reusing
> earlier results)
>
> import time
> start =time.time()
> longest = None
> longest_elements = 0
> solved = {}
> for val in xrange(1,1000000) :
>    counter = 1
>    number = val
>    while number != 1 :
>        number = number / 2 if number % 2 == 0 else 3 * number + 1
>        if number in solved :
>            counter = counter + solved[number]
>            break
>        else :
>            counter = counter + 1
>    if counter > longest_elements :
>        longest_elements = counter
>        longest = val
>    solved[val] = counter
> end = time.time()
> print "Time:", end - start
> print longest, ':', longest_elements
>
> Dhananjay
>
>
If you are still looking forward to squeeze around 200ms more, try bit ops -
Original code by Dhananjay averages to 4.25823163986s on my machine

While if you change -
number = number / 2 if number % 2 == 0 else 3 * number + 1
into
number =  3*number+1 if number&1 else number >> 1

it averages 4.058642069496667s on my machine.

Abhishek

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 16:45:09 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:15:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary
	one
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinvMO_n+rjxii+sx7DPFQEj=E_1BjwYA9b3brD3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTinvMO_n+rjxii+sx7DPFQEj=E_1BjwYA9b3brD3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim44o+ijUpBuT8VsYemP14w6UeZNS4CMx3SQ_uw@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
>
> You can write code like this:
>
> from operator import add
> print reduce(add, filter(lambda x: x%2==0, xrange(10)))
>
> to print the sum of even numbers less than 10
> instead of:
> tot = 0
> for i in xrange(10):
> ....if i%2 == 0:
> ........tot += i
> print tot
>
> ...
>


I would prefer LC anyway:

>>> sum(i for i in range(0,10,2))
20


-- 
~l0nwlf

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Fri Aug  6 17:07:25 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:07:25 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary
	one
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim44o+ijUpBuT8VsYemP14w6UeZNS4CMx3SQ_uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinvMO_n+rjxii+sx7DPFQEj=E_1BjwYA9b3brD3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim44o+ijUpBuT8VsYemP14w6UeZNS4CMx3SQ_uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimH1MVCCBVLOp3-TwWTN1Fw7n4nEeJV6wGQT6sQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Shashwat Anand
<anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would prefer LC anyway:
>
>>>> sum(i for i in range(0,10,2))
> 20

why use LC at all?
>> sum(range(0,10,2))

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 17:26:14 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:56:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary
	one
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimH1MVCCBVLOp3-TwWTN1Fw7n4nEeJV6wGQT6sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTinvMO_n+rjxii+sx7DPFQEj=E_1BjwYA9b3brD3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTim44o+ijUpBuT8VsYemP14w6UeZNS4CMx3SQ_uw@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTimH1MVCCBVLOp3-TwWTN1Fw7n4nEeJV6wGQT6sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimchqpXXuPFSTZ9Mwb2WHiZDqSUaLsnBFG_33yo@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Shashwat Anand
> <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would prefer LC anyway:
> >
> >>>> sum(i for i in range(0,10,2))
> > 20
>
> why use LC at all?
> >> sum(range(0,10,2))
>

Oops. Wrong choice of example.

-- 
~l0nwlf

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 17:26:45 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:56:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python speed comparison
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUXySiQZkcbf=PQaCikbYoZH67_6Zmj+XSHrwx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilSANdxgbi6GBD8TSNiQ-e49mUFNXULx8BTUUHR@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTi=zRtM_vnOig8MeN322g0Ov+PPq_OQOcG0Frk5k@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTikUXySiQZkcbf=PQaCikbYoZH67_6Zmj+XSHrwx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVeqC=fyUYk7FXfPLbNe=NjjW3UNWb4=4kEp=W@mail.gmail.com>

Readability counts. Here is my attempt.

def memoize(f):
    cache = {}
    def g(a):
        if a not in cache:
            cache[a] = f(a)
        return cache[a]
    return g

@memoize
def solve(n):
    if n == 1:
        return 1
    elif n%2 == 0:
        return 1 + solve(n/2)
    else:
        return 1 + solve(3*n+1)

print max((solve(i), i) for i in range(1, 1+1000000))

$ time python p14.py
(525, 837799)

real    0m3.981s
user    0m3.728s
sys     0m0.242s

Anand

From ideamonk at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 17:28:31 2010
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:58:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary
	one
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimH1MVCCBVLOp3-TwWTN1Fw7n4nEeJV6wGQT6sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinvMO_n+rjxii+sx7DPFQEj=E_1BjwYA9b3brD3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim44o+ijUpBuT8VsYemP14w6UeZNS4CMx3SQ_uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimH1MVCCBVLOp3-TwWTN1Fw7n4nEeJV6wGQT6sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=zC=sta86ngQk-fN6SPBGF3Fd9duBc3dfSTmmJ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Shashwat Anand
> <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would prefer LC anyway:
> >
> >>>> sum(i for i in range(0,10,2))
> > 20
>
> why use LC at all?
> >> sum(range(0,10,2))
>
>
^ I too have written such "i for i in ..." expressions at times and I feel
enlightened now.

From ideamonk at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 17:30:29 2010
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 21:00:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] diffrerence between lambda function and ordinary
	one
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimchqpXXuPFSTZ9Mwb2WHiZDqSUaLsnBFG_33yo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikMa3fwPm03pa_oww-Xo+anWPPXmnR-k7ypukQG@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinvMO_n+rjxii+sx7DPFQEj=E_1BjwYA9b3brD3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim44o+ijUpBuT8VsYemP14w6UeZNS4CMx3SQ_uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimH1MVCCBVLOp3-TwWTN1Fw7n4nEeJV6wGQT6sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimchqpXXuPFSTZ9Mwb2WHiZDqSUaLsnBFG_33yo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimD+X+NV=if7ompL=hHuVE=+Dj=QHueQ7s9nU7f@mail.gmail.com>

This would serve a better example -
>>> sum( int(x) for x in raw_input().split() )
1 2 3 4
10
>>>

From jammoham at cisco.com  Sat Aug  7 10:40:32 2010
From: jammoham at cisco.com (Jamal (jammoham))
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:10:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Commercial] B2B website design and development
In-Reply-To: <C88315AF.F6A4%jammoham@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <C88319D8.F6AB%jammoham@cisco.com>

I am posting this on behalf of my cousin:

Hi,

I would like to get a B2B website developed for the Middle East region. I
have a domain registered clearsurplus.com and hosting (windows server + sql
db) via godaddy.com.

This website will facilitate the stockists in this region to list their
surplus/excess/old stock for sale at throwaway prices. We charge them a
annual subscription fee for the listing. Buyers search the listed items and
contact the stockists for free.

Please respond if anyone is interested to build the same.


Warm regards,

Erfan Mohammad.

Email:  erfan at clearsurplus.com

Mobile: +971504408256 (Dubai)

Blackberry PIN: 20E88BBA



From kirantej1920 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 19:15:46 2010
From: kirantej1920 at gmail.com (kirantej J L)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:45:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] hello
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPgSRyE45Op8pXP8NCN_PXKhq=LysU6M=3uZ=q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Can any one please help me on where actually weekly bangpypers meetups are
held?

I have ordered for a ticket for PyconIndia-2010 and have chosen offline mode
of pay, so please can any one help me on how to pay and whom to pay  and get
my ticket.


--
regards,
Trust link: http://nsvcharitabletrust.org/

Kiran tej
Dept of computer science and engineering
SIR MVIT
YELAHANKA

Thought:1
"Try not to become a man of success but a man of VALUE"
Thought:2
"Do not stop till you reach your goal"
                        ---Swamy Vivekananda

From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  8 03:39:53 2010
From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 07:09:53 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] hello
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikPgSRyE45Op8pXP8NCN_PXKhq=LysU6M=3uZ=q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <855610.62780.qm@web95302.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

There are mutliple way for payment.You can pay in next bangpaper meetup or you can pay on conference day itself.For?information?on next bangpaper meetup , dates will be said on mailing list once planned so you can come over and pay amount there.

--- On Sat, 7/8/10, kirantej J L <kirantej1920 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: kirantej J L <kirantej1920 at gmail.com>
Subject: [BangPypers] hello
To: bangpypers at python.org
Date: Saturday, 7 August, 2010, 10:45 PM

Hello all,

Can any one please help me on where actually weekly bangpypers meetups are
held?

I have ordered for a ticket for PyconIndia-2010 and have chosen offline mode
of pay, so please can any one help me on how to pay and whom to pay? and get
my ticket.


--
regards,
Trust link: http://nsvcharitabletrust.org/

Kiran tej
Dept of computer science and engineering
SIR MVIT
YELAHANKA

Thought:1
"Try not to become a man of success but a man of VALUE"
Thought:2
"Do not stop till you reach your goal"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ---Swamy Vivekananda
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From freeman at pobox.com  Sun Aug  8 10:45:11 2010
From: freeman at pobox.com (freeman murray)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:15:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Interesting Projects at Jaaga
Message-ID: <AANLkTinxAZC0kQP6w0RFeh+YSXQvTkDL9CaiyNbz6aQn@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I'm working on two projects for which I need
to hire a couple senior Python programmers
for a few months.

One project is to build a web service
to help individual investors manage
their investments and deal flow.

The second one is creating a "garden calculator"
for WorldFoodGarden.org which will help people
design a garden appropriate to their location
according to sustainable organic gardening
best practices.

We need people with skills in
Python / DJango / HTML / Javascript / CSS / MySQL

Both these projects have budget, and need experienced
programmers who can drive a project from inception to completion.

While some work may be done from home,
the bulk needs to be done from Jaaga
(Shantinagar, Bangalore)

Thanks,

Freeman Murray
CoFounder - http://Jaaga.in

From freeman at pobox.com  Sun Aug  8 11:14:13 2010
From: freeman at pobox.com (freeman murray)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:44:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Bangalore Hackerspace
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=5vXw4hnLEVcgmSBE9qDwBeCCYhHybTr455QGW@mail.gmail.com>

Hi again,

I'd like to introduce Jaaga to people on this list.
Its a very unconventional creative space in central
Bangalore near the hockey stadium in Shanti Nagar.

We're trying to make it a 'hacker space' in the same
spirit as noisebridge.net & hackerdojo.com in Silicon
Valley or c-base.org in Berlin.

Towards this, we're hosting a casual 'miniBarCamp'
the third weekend of each month which I'm hoping
becomes something like superhappydevhouse.org

Tuesday nights I'm trying to establish 'Hack Night'
inviting people to come work on misc. fun projects,
startup ideas, and other non-work related stuff.

We're also generally open for co-working in case
any startups or freelancers would prefer to work in
a more social environment.

I'd love to invite the bangpypers to meetup
during the miniBarCamp the third weekend of the
month, and to take advantage of the space in other
ways - doing projects, giving tech talks, conducting
workshops, etc.

If anyone has other ideas for how we can make Jaaga
more useful to the hacker / technical community in
Bangalore please let me know.

Thanks,

Freeman Murray
Co-Founder - http://jaaga.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Aug  8 13:40:44 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 17:10:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python speed comparison
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVeqC=fyUYk7FXfPLbNe=NjjW3UNWb4=4kEp=W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilSANdxgbi6GBD8TSNiQ-e49mUFNXULx8BTUUHR@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=zRtM_vnOig8MeN322g0Ov+PPq_OQOcG0Frk5k@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikUXySiQZkcbf=PQaCikbYoZH67_6Zmj+XSHrwx@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimVeqC=fyUYk7FXfPLbNe=NjjW3UNWb4=4kEp=W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikG4V1-KufcT-3RDTJNk+048nj6rTL7S3t3EGjN@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> Readability counts. Here is my attempt.
>
> def memoize(f):
>    cache = {}
>    def g(a):
>        if a not in cache:
>            cache[a] = f(a)
>        return cache[a]
>    return g
>
> @memoize
> def solve(n):
>    if n == 1:
>        return 1
>    elif n%2 == 0:
>        return 1 + solve(n/2)
>    else:
>        return 1 + solve(3*n+1)
>
> print max((solve(i), i) for i in range(1, 1+1000000))
>

You rock - that was exactly what I was talking about though
I was too lazy to code it :)


>
> $ time python p14.py
> (525, 837799)
>
> real    0m3.981s
> user    0m3.728s
> sys     0m0.242s
>
> Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 02:37:03 2010
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:07:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Interesting Projects at Jaaga
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinxAZC0kQP6w0RFeh+YSXQvTkDL9CaiyNbz6aQn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinxAZC0kQP6w0RFeh+YSXQvTkDL9CaiyNbz6aQn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLVexU9m5jpmsxh=ua7pLa5ySjNtFqdBE-RAkP@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:15 PM, freeman murray <freeman at pobox.com> wrote:

>
> While some work may be done from home,
> the bulk needs to be done from Jaaga
> (Shantinagar, Bangalore)

too bad ... oh well :D

I'm at Shantinagar Trivandrum LOL

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From rajeev.nair at mahiti.org  Mon Aug  9 09:11:02 2010
From: rajeev.nair at mahiti.org (Rajeev Nair)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:41:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Re - [Training Requirement] Python crash course in
 Reva engineering college - completed
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=sOGWpXbtUTu2r_riPa0m=9eAOhsJ8sageZacy@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,



> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Rajeev Nair <rajeev.nair at mahiti.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > As part of the awareness building programme for PyCon India, i have been
> > doing the rounds of a few colleges in and around Bangalore, Reva
> > engineering
> > college has confirmed date for a crash course on  August 7 Saturday ,from
> >  2
> > pm - 4.30 pm .
> >
> > Anyone would like to volunteer and do the session?
> >
> > Iam waiting for confirmed dates from a few more colleges ,that should
> > happen
> > by mid august since most colleges are just opening after vacation.
> >
> >
>
>
Srinivas H.N from Mahiti delivered the session at Reva engineering college
on August 7, around 50 students attended along with  faculty members .

I shall post in here as and when other colleges confirm dates for such
programmes .A few of them should happen in mid august.
Expect most sessions on a saturday afternoon as it fits their schedule and
probably ours.

Details are posted here  > http://convene.mahiti.org .


rajeev

> --
>

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 11:16:12 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:46:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Bangalore Hackerspace
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=5vXw4hnLEVcgmSBE9qDwBeCCYhHybTr455QGW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=5vXw4hnLEVcgmSBE9qDwBeCCYhHybTr455QGW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100809091612.GA11110@remy>

On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 02:44:13PM +0530, freeman murray wrote:
> Towards this, we're hosting a casual 'miniBarCamp'

The term violates PEP-8. :)

Okay, to begin with, we can have a bangpypers meet here ( Well,
of course I am not the correct person to say this). But it be a good
'first' step forward in both directions.

-- 
Senthil

Lake Tanganyika <--> Leaky tank again
                -- anagrama

From emilchacko at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 12:29:27 2010
From: emilchacko at gmail.com (Emil Chacko)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:59:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python speed comparison
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3DwitqdOXM4yLtpC54Dj7HjZ=fi4=cm3=did7@mail.gmail.com>

This implementation is really good.It's really fast compared to the initial
one I posted but i didn't understand much about this memoize.I asked one of
my friend he told it's python decorators.Can anyone please explain what the
function memoize does.


>
> > Readability counts. Here is my attempt.
> >
> > def memoize(f):
> >    cache = {}
> >    def g(a):
> >        if a not in cache:
> >            cache[a] = f(a)
> >        return cache[a]
> >    return g
> >
> > @memoize
> > def solve(n):
> >    if n == 1:
> >        return 1
> >    elif n%2 == 0:
> >        return 1 + solve(n/2)
> >    else:
> >        return 1 + solve(3*n+1)
> >
> > print max((solve(i), i) for i in range(1, 1+1000000))
> >
>
> >
> > $ time python p14.py
> > (525, 837799)
> >
> > real    0m3.981s
> > user    0m3.728s
> > sys     0m0.242s
> >
> > Anand
>
>

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 13:34:16 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:04:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would make
	the world a better place ?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellas,

I am trying to create a python function that can take an plain english
description of a regular expression and return the regular expression to the
caller.

Currently I am thinking of the description in YAML format. So, we can store
the description as a raw string variable, which is passed on to this another
function and output of that function is then passed to the 're' module.
Following is a rather simplistic example:

# a(b|c)d+e*

re1 = """

- literal: 'a'
- one_of: 'b,c'
- one_or_more_of: 'd'
- zero_or_more_of: 'e'
"""

myre = re.compile(getRegex(re1))

myre.search(...)

etc.

Does anyone think something of this sort would be of wider use? Do you know
already existing packages that can do it? What are the limitations that you
see to this approach? Does anyone think, having the declarative string in
code, would make it more maintainable?

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 14:08:20 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:38:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
	make the world a better place ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
	(Vishal's message of "Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:04:16 +0530")
References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87vd7krnt7.fsf@gmail.com>


[...]

> Does anyone think something of this sort would be of wider use? Do you
> know already existing packages that can do it? What are the
> limitations that you see to this approach? Does anyone think, having
> the declarative string in code, would make it more maintainable?

[...]

I don't want to rain on your parade but I don't think this will be
useful. 

Regular expressions are mathematically sound ways of representing state
machines. They unambiguous and clean. They were brought into the whole
"programming" universe as a tool to do text processing and then
unleashed upon the unwashed masses leading them to use it for everything
from looking for a string in a file to parsing XML. The problem now is
that we have too much of this line noise in our programs and there have
been efforts to "clean it up" by using more "readable syntax". There was
even one floating about a few months ago which used XML to describe
regexps. I don't want to try to write an example. 

One of the things about regular expressions which makes them powerful is
their brevity and compactness. This of course leads to sometimes
unreadable code, abuse etc. but all of those are discipline issues which
should be addressed by simply using less regexps and using other things
which are more suited to the task (plain string indexing, parsers etc.).

I think an attempt to create a more "friendly regexp format" which is
more readable is going the way of COBOL with it's "ADD 1 to X" rather
than x+=1.

However, it's an interesting idea to make this work. I'd like to do the
reverse. Given a regexp, break it down into English for me so that I can
figure out what it's trying to do quickly.

-- 

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 14:11:44 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:41:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
	make the world a better place ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZC_pzujL5gJt0NuAa1Lyo8ugXq4QhDMJ9wrGB@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> # a(b|c)d+e*
>
> re1 = """
>
> - literal: 'a'
> - one_of: 'b,c'
> - one_or_more_of: 'd'
> - zero_or_more_of: 'e'
> """

It *could be* useful to new comers, but not very much.
This will add to the cost of covering it to regex code and will cause
significant delay in the programs which are using regex. So in big
apps it may not be of use.
Have you seen re.VERBOSE flag in the re module? Thats perhaps the
middle path (tm). :)


-- 
Senthil

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 18:11:33 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:41:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
	make the world a better place ?
In-Reply-To: <87vd7krnt7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com> 
	<87vd7krnt7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-_Um52coXuUKfFD+6UNf0JEO5G37zdV_2C-HC@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> [...]
>
> > Does anyone think something of this sort would be of wider use? Do you
> > know already existing packages that can do it? What are the
> > limitations that you see to this approach? Does anyone think, having
> > the declarative string in code, would make it more maintainable?
>
> [...]
>
> I don't want to rain on your parade but I don't think this will be
> useful.
>
> Regular expressions are mathematically sound ways of representing state
> machines. They unambiguous and clean. They were brought into the whole
> "programming" universe as a tool to do text processing and then
> unleashed upon the unwashed masses leading them to use it for everything
> from looking for a string in a file to parsing XML. The problem now is
> that we have too much of this line noise in our programs and there have
> been efforts to "clean it up" by using more "readable syntax". There was
> even one floating about a few months ago which used XML to describe
> regexps. I don't want to try to write an example.
>
> One of the things about regular expressions which makes them powerful is
> their brevity and compactness. This of course leads to sometimes
> unreadable code, abuse etc. but all of those are discipline issues which
> should be addressed by simply using less regexps and using other things
> which are more suited to the task (plain string indexing, parsers etc.).
>
> I think an attempt to create a more "friendly regexp format" which is
> more readable is going the way of COBOL with it's "ADD 1 to X" rather
> than x+=1.
>
> However, it's an interesting idea to make this work. I'd like to do the
> reverse. Given a regexp, break it down into English for me so that I can
> figure out what it's trying to do quickly.
>
> ---



Hi,

Thanks for the view. I do agree with you that as the regex becomes overly
complex, this textual representation may also become equally complex..or
more so.

Here's a website to find out 'quickly' what a regular expression means:
http://rick.measham.id.au/paste/explain.pl

Best regards,
Vishal

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 18:12:42 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:42:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
	make the world a better place ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ZC_pzujL5gJt0NuAa1Lyo8ugXq4QhDMJ9wrGB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTi=ZC_pzujL5gJt0NuAa1Lyo8ugXq4QhDMJ9wrGB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VPCff-SOo2mNS3xcDOgaJ0yhNaCnKEoeck11R@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > # a(b|c)d+e*
> >
> > re1 = """
> >
> > - literal: 'a'
> > - one_of: 'b,c'
> > - one_or_more_of: 'd'
> > - zero_or_more_of: 'e'
> > """
>
> It *could be* useful to new comers, but not very much.
> This will add to the cost of covering it to regex code and will cause
> significant delay in the programs which are using regex. So in big
> apps it may not be of use.
> Have you seen re.VERBOSE flag in the re module? Thats perhaps the
> middle path (tm). :)
>
>
> --
> Senthil
>
>
Thanks for that info. Actually the re.X option fills in for a lot of the
complexity.
I had looked into it before.

-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 19:17:36 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:47:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
	make the world a better place ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=VPCff-SOo2mNS3xcDOgaJ0yhNaCnKEoeck11R@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTi=ZC_pzujL5gJt0NuAa1Lyo8ugXq4QhDMJ9wrGB@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTi=VPCff-SOo2mNS3xcDOgaJ0yhNaCnKEoeck11R@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinGXvWMhvQcouZH=5Mg=9SX6QrVGaw19JsRz7CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here are a couple more regular expression analyzers:

http://xenon.stanford.edu/~xusch/regexp/analyzer.html

<http://xenon.stanford.edu/~xusch/regexp/analyzer.html>a tool you can
download to your pc:
http://www.ultrapico.com/Expresso.htm

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > # a(b|c)d+e*
>> >
>> > re1 = """
>> >
>> > - literal: 'a'
>> > - one_of: 'b,c'
>> > - one_or_more_of: 'd'
>> > - zero_or_more_of: 'e'
>> > """
>>
>> It *could be* useful to new comers, but not very much.
>> This will add to the cost of covering it to regex code and will cause
>> significant delay in the programs which are using regex. So in big
>> apps it may not be of use.
>> Have you seen re.VERBOSE flag in the re module? Thats perhaps the
>> middle path (tm). :)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Senthil
>>
>>
> Thanks for that info. Actually the re.X option fills in for a lot of the
> complexity.
> I had looked into it before.
>
> --
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From gora at srijan.in  Mon Aug  9 19:22:07 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:52:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
 make the world a better place ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100809225207.641fbedb@ibis>

On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:04:16 +0530
Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello fellas,
> 
> I am trying to create a python function that can take an plain
> english description of a regular expression and return the
> regular expression to the caller.
[...]

> - literal: 'a'
> - one_of: 'b,c'
> - one_or_more_of: 'd'
> - zero_or_more_of: 'e'
[...]

While regular expressions are not Turing complete, this will
quickly get out of control. Will your grammar include things
like at_least_three_but_not_more_than_five_of, named groups,
extensions, lookaheads, lookbehinds, etc.? Just for fun,
consider rewriting the example below:
http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html

I agree with other posters that there is probably not much
practical use for this, except maybe as an exercise to write a
regular expression engine. I cannot think of someone experienced in
regular expressions who would want to go through the extra
verbosity. It might be of marginal use to novices, but IMHO, the
effort needed to learn this would be better invested in learning
regular regular expressions.

Regards,
Gora

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 05:27:56 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:57:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
	make the world a better place ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincE01vGzO24R2Z4c5DHjK_Ky4QsES9be11Lfz-@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello fellas,
>
> I am trying to create a python function that can take an plain english
> description of a regular expression and return the regular expression to
> the
> caller.
>
> Currently I am thinking of the description in YAML format. So, we can store
> the description as a raw string variable, which is passed on to this
> another
> function and output of that function is then passed to the 're' module.
> Following is a rather simplistic example:
>
> # a(b|c)d+e*
>
> re1 = """
>
> - literal: 'a'
> - one_of: 'b,c'
> - one_or_more_of: 'd'
> - zero_or_more_of: 'e'
> """
>
> myre = re.compile(getRegex(re1))
>
> myre.search(...)
>
> etc.
>
> Does anyone think something of this sort would be of wider use? Do you know
> already existing packages that can do it? What are the limitations that you
> see to this approach? Does anyone think, having the declarative string in
> code, would make it more maintainable?
>

The real struggle here is the complexity of modeling the problem you are
attempting to solve. RE syntax per se isn't the problem though it could be
recast a bit in favour of readability and grokkability away from brevity
(not that I am in favour of that). The issue is really the complexity of the
diversity of situations that RE expressions attempt to model. Should you
wan't to attempt to support the entire range of scenarios that REs can
manage, I imagine the yaml will become excessively verbose to manage and
will eventually start suffering similar difficulties of grokkability that
complex REs end up with. While I don't think there's a good solution for
that, I think a victory if at all feasible could be better had through a
better modeling of how pattern matching expressions can be composed
(differently from current RE structures) rather than making the current
expression structures verbose and declarative.

Dhananjay

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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 07:28:48 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:58:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
	make the world a better place ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTincE01vGzO24R2Z4c5DHjK_Ky4QsES9be11Lfz-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com> 
	<AANLkTincE01vGzO24R2Z4c5DHjK_Ky4QsES9be11Lfz-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikYfNPPwY0jhK7+2T_Y0CipkbChqPH9b+ars+n9@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everybody for the insight that you have shared with me and the group.

As of now, I am abandoning this weekend project, and have started looking
for something else :))

BTW, in the process of designing the semantics of the YAML description, I
had to read through the Python RE module docs a few times and that has
clarified my understanding of the regular expressions in general. So now I
can atleast look at a regex and successfully try to figure out what its
trying to say.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello fellas,
> >
> > I am trying to create a python function that can take an plain english
> > description of a regular expression and return the regular expression to
> > the
> > caller.
> >
> > Currently I am thinking of the description in YAML format. So, we can
> store
> > the description as a raw string variable, which is passed on to this
> > another
> > function and output of that function is then passed to the 're' module.
> > Following is a rather simplistic example:
> >
> > # a(b|c)d+e*
> >
> > re1 = """
> >
> > - literal: 'a'
> > - one_of: 'b,c'
> > - one_or_more_of: 'd'
> > - zero_or_more_of: 'e'
> > """
> >
> > myre = re.compile(getRegex(re1))
> >
> > myre.search(...)
> >
> > etc.
> >
> > Does anyone think something of this sort would be of wider use? Do you
> know
> > already existing packages that can do it? What are the limitations that
> you
> > see to this approach? Does anyone think, having the declarative string in
> > code, would make it more maintainable?
> >
>
> The real struggle here is the complexity of modeling the problem you are
> attempting to solve. RE syntax per se isn't the problem though it could be
> recast a bit in favour of readability and grokkability away from brevity
> (not that I am in favour of that). The issue is really the complexity of
> the
> diversity of situations that RE expressions attempt to model. Should you
> wan't to attempt to support the entire range of scenarios that REs can
> manage, I imagine the yaml will become excessively verbose to manage and
> will eventually start suffering similar difficulties of grokkability that
> complex REs end up with. While I don't think there's a good solution for
> that, I think a victory if at all feasible could be better had through a
> better modeling of how pattern matching expressions can be composed
> (differently from current RE structures) rather than making the current
> expression structures verbose and declarative.
>
> Dhananjay
>
> _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
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Vishal Sapre

---
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From goldee at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 09:31:38 2010
From: goldee at gmail.com (Goldee Udani)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:01:38 +0530
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 12:12:59 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:42:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python speed comparison
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin3DwitqdOXM4yLtpC54Dj7HjZ=fi4=cm3=did7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin3DwitqdOXM4yLtpC54Dj7HjZ=fi4=cm3=did7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbg3_fTBUGu4miv2_c7bm88VG+B5e_epyDOnzL@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Emil Chacko <emilchacko at gmail.com> wrote:

> This implementation is really good.It's really fast compared to the initial
> one I posted but i didn't understand much about this memoize.I asked one of
> my friend he told it's python decorators.Can anyone please explain what the
> function memoize does.
>
>
Commented code follows :

#memoize is a decorator around the function f (wrapper function)
def memoize(f):
    # declare a cache to store prior results
    cache = {}
    # g is the wrapper function which takes the input number a
    def g(a):
        # Check if f had earlier been called with the value a
        # If it had been called, a will be a key in the cache dict
        if a not in cache:
            # Now we know f had not been called earlier for the value a
            # Hence invoke the function f for value a and capture the
            # return value of the same as a value in the cache for the key
            # value of a
            cache[a] = f(a)
        # return the computed or the cached value for a
        return cache[a]
    # Return the wrapper g
    # This is triggered when the @memoize directive is observed.
    # It for practical purposes replaces the wrapped function 'f' which
subsequently in
    # this example is 'solve' by this function 'g' which in turn internally
calls
    # 'a' or 'solve' in this case
    return g

# trigger the function wrapping by using a decorator
@memoize
def solve(n):
    if n == 1:
        return 1
    elif n%2 == 0:
        return 1 + solve(n/2)
    else:
        return 1 + solve(3*n+1)

# use solve as you otherwise might have done
# (the decoration / memoisation / wrapping is transparent)
print max((solve(i), i) for i in range(1, 1+1000000))

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From vinay.kumar at adecco.co.in  Wed Aug 11 06:56:51 2010
From: vinay.kumar at adecco.co.in (Vinay Kumar)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:26:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] "[JOB]: Senior Python Specialists required for Nokia
	R&D, Bangalore".
Message-ID: <11F3861D3F5648688B24D58C51C1A270@adecco.india.co.in>

Hello,

 

My name is Vinay, I represent Adecco India as a Lead Search Consultant. I
wish to let you all know about couple of Senior Testing Positions open with
Nokia R&D in their MEEGO Group. MEEGO is the new Linux based Open Source
Mobile OS being developed by Nokia in collaboration with Intel. For more
information please go through www.meego.com <http://www.meego.com/> 

 

Find below the details of the current open positions:

 

Automation Testing

Qualifications

We are looking for a  Testing Engineer for our mobile devices based on the
Linux and other open source technologies.

Work experience min 5+ years in SW testing

- Experience in working in a team of testers (5 - 10 people)

- Familiar with testing activities (functional testing, system testing,
field testing. automation)

- Experience in test case execution and reporting

- Experience and "hands on" in Linux OS environment

- 2+ year experience in any test automation environment.

- Familiar with using different Test Management tools (e.g. Quality Center)

- Familiar with using different Bugs Management tools (e.g. Bugzilla)

- Experience and contribution to open source env/tools will be a plus

- Previous experience in testing sw of hand held devices is appreciated

- Knowledge of automation framework( example testunit)

- Experience in Test scripting using python/Ruby

 

Non Functional Testing

Qualifications

We are looking for a  Testing Engineer for our mobile devices based on the
Linux and other open source technologies.

Work experience min 5+ years in SW testing

- Experience in working in a team of testers (5 - 10 people)

- Expertise in Non-Functional Testing

- Experience in test case execution and reporting

- Experience and "hands on" in Linux OS environment

- must be able to understand and interpret correctly, UI specs, design docs,
sw requirements, etc.

- Familiar with using different Test Management tools (e.g. Quality Center)

- Familiar with using different Bugs Management tools (e.g. Bugzilla)

- Experience and contribution to open source env/tools will be a plus

- Experience in Memory management/analysis and generating
performance/reliability indices.

- Experience in Open source memory tool like (libleak, Valgrind) is
recommended

- Experience in CPU usage Analysis tools like (Oprofiler) is recommended 

- Experience in Test scripting using python/Ruby

 

Interested people can send their resumes in reply to this mail.

 

Best Regards,

Vinay Kumar

 

Adecco India

Tel: +91 80 39897070 X 5091

Fax: +91 80 41119020

Mob: +91 9886545057

vinay.kumar at adecco.co.in

adecco.co.in <blocked::http://adecco.co.in/> 

 


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Aug 11 11:53:13 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:23:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python resource persons in coimbatore
Message-ID: <1281520393.1907.50.camel@localhost>

hi,

I am looking for python resource persons in coimbatore. Please contact
me offlist
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 13 13:38:05 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:08:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] [Python alongside Lex/Yacc/C] Staff Software
 Engineer @ National Semiconductor, bangalore, India
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=7Fg82RNvggWB=JJoT9RJmEvvfrfrugFF5s47X@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=7Fg82RNvggWB=JJoT9RJmEvvfrfrugFF5s47X@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinMPmpefDoxq1gOs=Ui4pPX1-D=_zevB+M=qDUX@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Friends,

We have a position open at National Semiconductor.

Please forward any references you may have, directly to me.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre


*Job *Description*: **Staff Software Engineer**.*

*
*

***Location** **Bangalore, KA*

* *

*Design Automation Group of NSC has CAD software development group which
provides customized EDA tools for National?s product lines. *

*Currently the team is working on a customized version of Berkeley SPICE
analog simulator and automating established flows.*

* *

*The Staff Software Engineer is responsible for developing C/C++ and script
based software that simulates Full Chip Models. In addition to the
development abilities, high quality testing and documentation will be
critical to the success of this position and the group. This is a technical
leadership position.*

* *

*Responsibilities:*

*+ C/C++ programming with Lex and Yacc based parser development/maintenance
*

*+ Modify in house analog circuit simulator for customized needs.*

*+ Participate in complete lifecycle of software development process.*

*+ Excellent debugging and trouble-shooting skills and customer support.*

*+ Mentor other team members*

* *

*Minimum Requirements:*

*+ Excellent understanding of Berkeley SPICE internals*

*+ Excellent knowledge of data structures and C/C++ programming on Linux or
Windows*

*+ Familiar with at least one scripting language*

*+ Excellent written and verbal communication skills*

*+ Good track record of mentoring other team members*

* *

*Desired Experience:*

*+ Knowledge of Lex and Yacc, Python *

*+ Familiarity in using any analog circuit simulator*

* *

*Qualification and Experience:*

*Ideal candidate should have experience in developing significant software
projects.*

*The candidate should have M.Tech in CS/EE with at least five years of
experience or B.Tech in CS/EE with at least six years of experience.*

* *

*Key Words:*

*+ Circuit Simulator Development*

*+ Behavioral Modeling*

*+ Lex and Yacc Based Parser*

*+ C/C++, Python, Gnu tools*

-- 



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 14:55:22 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:25:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] EuroPython videos out now!
Message-ID: <AANLkTimToqot-NUorNXOCLEiPn6Avo=K=i7eVaPqQff3@mail.gmail.com>

via:
http://www.europython.eu/blog/announcements/talk-videos-from-ep2010-published/

and videos are here.
http://europythonvideos.blip.tv/


enjoy!
/jeff

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 13:08:06 2010
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Dark Seid)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:38:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT][ANN] DevCamp Bangalore 3
Message-ID: <AANLkTinVqEHGeq50Jd4vL-1crb+fP7aBD88Ky+E9yGtp@mail.gmail.com>

We're happy to announce the third edition of DevCamp Bangalore - DevCamp
Bangalore 3 (http://bangalore.devcamp.in) on Saturday, 4th September 2010.

The event will be sponsored & hosted by ThoughtWorks (
www.thoughtworks.com) at their office in Diamond District, Bangalore.
(map:
http://is.gd/ejWkd )

Like any BarCamp, registration is on the wiki and there is no registration
fee.

DevCamp is an un-conference by the hackers*, for the hackers and of the
hackers. It's a species of BarCamp where anything a lover of computers and
technology would consider important or entertaining goes. The first DevCamp
took place a little over two years ago, and we've always had a lot of fun
being a part of this event; we're hoping to keep that trend going with DCB3.

If you're planning to do a session at DCB3, do keep in mind the fact that
everyone at DevCamp is a hacker, a pro. Please assume a high level of
exposure and knowledge on the part of your audience, and tailor your
sessions accordingly. Avoid 'Hello World' and how-to sessions which can be
easily found on the net. First hand war stories, in-depth analyses of
topics, and live demos are best.

Thanks,
Sidu.
w: http://blog.sidu.in
t: http://twitter.com/ponnappa

* Hacker as defined here: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/hacker.html

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Aug 16 14:20:30 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:50:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] source
Message-ID: <1281961230.1907.288.camel@localhost>

hi,

in using virtualenv and some other python programs I see the use of
'source' - google search does not throw up anything useful. What is
'source'? is it python or something else, and where can I get a link to
material on it?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From b.ghose at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 14:26:37 2010
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:56:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] source
In-Reply-To: <1281961230.1907.288.camel@localhost>
References: <1281961230.1907.288.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikbhaznbp_Yxmd1KB4CG-tAv+YB3UEhTPxTyhpV@mail.gmail.com>

> in using virtualenv and some other python programs I see the use of
> 'source' - google search does not throw up anything useful. What is
> 'source'? is it python or something else, and where can I get a link to
> material on it?

It's a shell built-in and is equivalent to `.'.

http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Bourne-Shell-Builtins

Regards,
BG

-- 
Baishampayan Ghose
b.ghose at gmail.com

From upasana.taku at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 15:32:02 2010
From: upasana.taku at gmail.com (Upasana Taku)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:02:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python web developer for startup
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJuYrgB7wPu9cP=i8jPHNTW73VYz6o6MeU0LkR@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys

Early stage startup is looking for a full time Python developer in Delhi NCR
area, 3-7 years of experience in building web applications desirable. Please
email me your brief profile.

Thanks,
Upasana Taku
http://in.linkedin.com/in/upasana

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Aug 16 15:13:25 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:43:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] source
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikbhaznbp_Yxmd1KB4CG-tAv+YB3UEhTPxTyhpV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1281961230.1907.288.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikbhaznbp_Yxmd1KB4CG-tAv+YB3UEhTPxTyhpV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1281964405.1907.289.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 17:56 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
> > in using virtualenv and some other python programs I see the use of
> > 'source' - google search does not throw up anything useful. What is
> > 'source'? is it python or something else, and where can I get a link
> to
> > material on it?
> 
> It's a shell built-in and is equivalent to `.'.
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Bourne-Shell-Builtins 

thanks - and why did I not try man source?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 16:01:42 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:31:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] source
In-Reply-To: <1281964405.1907.289.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's
	message of "Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:43:25 +0530")
References: <1281961230.1907.288.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikbhaznbp_Yxmd1KB4CG-tAv+YB3UEhTPxTyhpV@mail.gmail.com>
	<1281964405.1907.289.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <87fwyezmex.fsf@gmail.com>

Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> writes:

> On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 17:56 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
>> > in using virtualenv and some other python programs I see the use of
>> > 'source' - google search does not throw up anything useful. What is
>> > 'source'? is it python or something else, and where can I get a link
>> to
>> > material on it?
>> 
>> It's a shell built-in and is equivalent to `.'.
>> 
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Bourne-Shell-Builtins 
>
> thanks - and why did I not try man source?

I don't think it'd help. It's a shell builtin without a man page of it's
own. You'd either have to do "man bash" or "help source"

-- 

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 20:03:01 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:33:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] source
In-Reply-To: <87fwyezmex.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <1281961230.1907.288.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikbhaznbp_Yxmd1KB4CG-tAv+YB3UEhTPxTyhpV@mail.gmail.com>
	<1281964405.1907.289.camel@localhost> <87fwyezmex.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3wN-PWPAfsrrLDEZwdu9KYNE_ACtGvOdtkqEC@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> I don't think it'd help. It's a shell builtin without a man page of it's
> own. You'd either have to do "man bash" or "help source"
>
> wont `man <builtin>` take you to `man bash` (man tcsh, in my case)
automatically?


> --
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 20:21:00 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:51:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] source
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin3wN-PWPAfsrrLDEZwdu9KYNE_ACtGvOdtkqEC@mail.gmail.com>
	(Jeffrey Jose's message of "Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:33:01 +0530")
References: <1281961230.1907.288.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikbhaznbp_Yxmd1KB4CG-tAv+YB3UEhTPxTyhpV@mail.gmail.com>
	<1281964405.1907.289.camel@localhost> <87fwyezmex.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin3wN-PWPAfsrrLDEZwdu9KYNE_ACtGvOdtkqEC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <877hjqxvub.fsf@gmail.com>

Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com> writes:

>>
>>
>> I don't think it'd help. It's a shell builtin without a man page of it's
>> own. You'd either have to do "man bash" or "help source"
>>
>> wont `man <builtin>` take you to `man bash` (man tcsh, in my case)
> automatically?

Doesn't for me on Ubuntu 10.04

> noufal at sanitarium:~$ man source
> No manual entry for source
> noufal at sanitarium:~$ 

Besides, as far as I know, "man" isn't aware of your shell. It'd had to
have intelligence to change the page it delivers based on your current
shell. 

[...]



-- 

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Aug 17 08:07:52 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:37:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] source
In-Reply-To: <87fwyezmex.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <1281961230.1907.288.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikbhaznbp_Yxmd1KB4CG-tAv+YB3UEhTPxTyhpV@mail.gmail.com>
	<1281964405.1907.289.camel@localhost>  <87fwyezmex.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282025272.1907.313.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2010-08-16 at 19:31 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > thanks - and why did I not try man source?
> 
> I don't think it'd help. It's a shell builtin without a man page of
> it's
> own. You'd either have to do "man bash" or "help source" 

on fedora 12 it works - not on lenny
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From gvkalra at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 11:34:39 2010
From: gvkalra at gmail.com (Gaurav Kalra)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:04:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] NLTK: Dispersion Plot problem
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdQ9oMtvn5Offqnjt_79Yyxn1m+23id=7seP1z@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.
I have been trying to learn NLTK (http://www.nltk.org/) following
instructions over:
http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/book/ch01.html

The point at which I am stuck is using the function dispersion_plot() (
http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/api/nltk.draw.dispersion-module.html#dispersion_plot
)

Here is the output of yolk:
PyYAML          - 3.09         - active
Python          - 2.6.5        - active development
(/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload)
distribute      - 0.6.10       - active
matplotlib      - 1.0.0        - active
nltk            - 2.0b9        - active
numpy           - 1.4.1        - active
pip             - 0.7.2        - active
wsgiref         - 0.1.2        - active development (/usr/lib/python2.6)
yolk            - 0.4.1        - active


I guess that dispersion_plot() requires matplotlib and numpy, which are
already active but, running the function is not generating any dispersion
graph as showed over here:
http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/book/ch01.html

Any thoughts ?
--
Gaurav Kalra
+91-9878-649-294

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 12:40:16 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:10:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] NLTK: Dispersion Plot problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdQ9oMtvn5Offqnjt_79Yyxn1m+23id=7seP1z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdQ9oMtvn5Offqnjt_79Yyxn1m+23id=7seP1z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimGTiODmQyjB94sSmB-q_Xz-LuJBj869TwW=+fK@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Gaurav Kalra <gvkalra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi.
> I have been trying to learn NLTK (http://www.nltk.org/) following
> instructions over:
> http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/book/ch01.html
>
> The point at which I am stuck is using the function dispersion_plot() (
>
> http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/api/nltk.draw.dispersion-module.html#dispersion_plot
> )
>
> Here is the output of yolk:
> PyYAML          - 3.09         - active
> Python          - 2.6.5        - active development
> (/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload)
> distribute      - 0.6.10       - active
> matplotlib      - 1.0.0        - active
> nltk            - 2.0b9        - active
> numpy           - 1.4.1        - active
> pip             - 0.7.2        - active
> wsgiref         - 0.1.2        - active development (/usr/lib/python2.6)
> yolk            - 0.4.1        - active
>
>
> I guess that dispersion_plot() requires matplotlib and numpy, which are
> already active but, running the function is not generating any dispersion
> graph as showed over here:
> http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/book/ch01.html
>


Have you got any error message.

Which version of NLTK you are using

Try this

from nltk import *
from nltk.book import *
text4.dispersion_plot(["citizens", "democracy", "freedom", "duties",
"America"])

If Numpy and matplotlib is present it will work.


-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Aug 18 09:46:20 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:16:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] IPSS membership enrollment
Message-ID: <1282117580.20570.86.camel@localhost>

hi,

as most of you know, we formed the Indian Python Software Society mainly
for the purpose of conducting the annual Indian PyCon and also to
promote python in India. After lots of delay, the society has been
registered and a bank account opened. We are planning to have the first
AGM along with the conference on the 26th of September. We are now
enrolling members, so if you would like to be part of the society - and
contribute a small sum annually to help defray the expenses of the
society. Please enroll yourself as a member. Details are here:

http://ipss.org.in
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From gvkalra at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 17:21:11 2010
From: gvkalra at gmail.com (Gaurav Kalra)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:51:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] NLTK: Dispersion Plot problem
Message-ID: <AANLkTim2k5bDdpB5Q4zjbdVB7s0J-tf3PZi0MGXyi4=f@mail.gmail.com>

> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Gaurav Kalra <gvkalra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> > I have been trying to learn NLTK (http://www.nltk.org/) following
> > instructions over:
> > http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/book/ch01.html
> >
> > The point at which I am stuck is using the function dispersion_plot() (
> >
> >
> http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/api/nltk.draw.dispersion-module.html#dispersion_plot
> > )
> >
> > Here is the output of yolk:
> > PyYAML          - 3.09         - active
> > Python          - 2.6.5        - active development
> > (/usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload)
> > distribute      - 0.6.10       - active
> > matplotlib      - 1.0.0        - active
> > nltk            - 2.0b9        - active
> > numpy           - 1.4.1        - active
> > pip             - 0.7.2        - active
> > wsgiref         - 0.1.2        - active development (/usr/lib/python2.6)
> > yolk            - 0.4.1        - active
> >
> >
> > I guess that dispersion_plot() requires matplotlib and numpy, which are
> > already active but, running the function is not generating any dispersion
> > graph as showed over here:
> > http://nltk.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/doc/book/ch01.html
> >
>
>
> Have you got any error message.
>
> Which version of NLTK you are using
>
> Try this
>
> from nltk import *
> from nltk.book import *
> text4.dispersion_plot(["citizens", "democracy", "freedom", "duties",
> "America"])
>
> If Numpy and matplotlib is present it will work.
>
>
> --
> **********************************
> JAGANADH G
> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
>


Hi Jaganadh,

The NLTK version that I am using is 2.0b9.
Also, I am not getting any error messages.
Here is what I am doing (though every part is not necessary, still posting)
I am able to complete all the exercises, apart from the ones which involves
the interpreter to "display" something graphical. (But I have matplotlib
installed - see yolk -l output)

gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~$ cd Desktop/srv/python-environments/
gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~/Desktop/srv/python-environments$ source
gotcha/bin/activate
(gotcha)gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~/Desktop/srv/python-environments$ python
Python 2.6.5 (r265:79063, Apr 16 2010, 13:09:56)
[GCC 4.4.3] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> from nltk import *
>>> from nltk.book import *
*** Introductory Examples for the NLTK Book ***
Loading text1, ..., text9 and sent1, ..., sent9
Type the name of the text or sentence to view it.
Type: 'texts()' or 'sents()' to list the materials.
text1: Moby Dick by Herman Melville 1851
text2: Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen 1811
text3: The Book of Genesis
text4: Inaugural Address Corpus
text5: Chat Corpus
text6: Monty Python and the Holy Grail
text7: Wall Street Journal
text8: Personals Corpus
text9: The Man Who Was Thursday by G . K . Chesterton 1908
>>>
text4.dispersion_plot(["citizens","democracy","freedom","duties","America"])
>>>

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 17:57:01 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:27:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] NLTK: Dispersion Plot problem
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2k5bDdpB5Q4zjbdVB7s0J-tf3PZi0MGXyi4=f@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~$ cd Desktop/srv/python-environments/
> gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~/Desktop/srv/python-environments$ source
> gotcha/bin/activate
> (gotcha)gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~/Desktop/srv/python-environments$ python
> Python 2.6.5 (r265:79063, Apr 16 2010, 13:09:56)
> [GCC 4.4.3] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> from nltk import *
> >>> from nltk.book import *
> *** Introductory Examples for the NLTK Book ***
> Loading text1, ..., text9 and sent1, ..., sent9
> Type the name of the text or sentence to view it.
> Type: 'texts()' or 'sents()' to list the materials.
> text1: Moby Dick by Herman Melville 1851
> text2: Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen 1811
> text3: The Book of Genesis
> text4: Inaugural Address Corpus
> text5: Chat Corpus
> text6: Monty Python and the Holy Grail
> text7: Wall Street Journal
> text8: Personals Corpus
> text9: The Man Who Was Thursday by G . K . Chesterton 1908
> >>>
>
> text4.dispersion_plot(["citizens","democracy","freedom","duties","America"])
> >>>
>
> Have you checked that the plot is being minimized.
Are you using virtual environment ?
I tried it in Fedora 12, 13 and Ubuntu 10.4 it works fine for me .
-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From anand_shankar at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 18 19:28:07 2010
From: anand_shankar at yahoo.com (Anand Shankar)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:28:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
Message-ID: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

During a tutorial python session with my colleagues I was presented with a basic 
question

>>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
>>> print d.keys()
['coke', 'apple', 'banana']


Question is why does it not return

['apple','banana','coke']

Similarly:

>>> d = {'a':2,'b':4,'c':5,'d':4,'e':3}
>>> print d.keys()
['a', 'c', 'b', 'e', 'd']

why not

['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e']

I have no clues. Any inputs??

anand



      

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 19:34:25 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:04:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Anand Shankar <anand_shankar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> During a tutorial python session with my colleagues I was presented with a basic
> question
>
>>>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
>>>> print d.keys()
> ['coke', 'apple', 'banana']
>
>
> Question is why does it not return
>
> ['apple','banana','coke']
>
> Similarly:
>
>>>> d = {'a':2,'b':4,'c':5,'d':4,'e':3}
>>>> print d.keys()
> ['a', 'c', 'b', 'e', 'd']
>
> why not
>
> ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e']
>
> I have no clues. Any inputs??

 Quoting from python docs[1]

  "The keys() method of a dictionary object returns a list of all the
keys used in the dictionary, in arbitrary order (if you want it
sorted, just apply the sort() method to the list of keys). "

[1]: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/datastructures.html#dictionaries

regards
Vivek
-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From vinayshastry at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 19:34:32 2010
From: vinayshastry at gmail.com (Vinay Shastry)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:04:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3p2PdXYFGXb9CKSBhaMUVddXW+LaT7E1B8R4E@mail.gmail.com>

On 18 August 2010 22:58, Anand Shankar <anand_shankar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> During a tutorial python session with my colleagues I was presented with a basic
> question
>
>>>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
>>>> print d.keys()
> ['coke', 'apple', 'banana']
>
>
> Question is why does it not return
>
> ['apple','banana','coke']
<snip>
> I have no clues. Any inputs??
>

For this reason:
"It is best to think of a dictionary as an unordered set of key: value pairs"

http://docs.python.org/tutorial/datastructures.html#dictionaries

>>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
>>> d
{'coke': 6, 'apple': 2, 'banana': 5}
>>> print d.keys()
['coke', 'apple', 'banana']

-- 
Vinay S Shastry
http://thenub.one09.net

From digamma at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 20:32:43 2010
From: digamma at gmail.com (karthik)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:02:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Do you think a more declarative RE syntax would
 make the world a better place ?
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References: <AANLkTinwQPGCaOOxUNPkG4z8RRAqqLKf8EQEzHFou-14@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTincE01vGzO24R2Z4c5DHjK_Ky4QsES9be11Lfz-@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikYfNPPwY0jhK7+2T_Y0CipkbChqPH9b+ars+n9@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am trying to create a python function that can take an plain
> > english description of a regular expression and return the
> > regular expression to the caller.
> Thanks everybody for the insight that you have shared with me and the
group.
>
> As of now, I am abandoning this weekend project, and have started looking
> for something else :))
You might be interested in http://txt2regex.sourceforge.net/.  It
does what you're asking for but it's most useful when you forget
differences between regex dialects (I use python, 2 greps, vi, vim,
2 seds, awk).

With best regards,

Karthik

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 22:18:52 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:48:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin3p2PdXYFGXb9CKSBhaMUVddXW+LaT7E1B8R4E@mail.gmail.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTin3p2PdXYFGXb9CKSBhaMUVddXW+LaT7E1B8R4E@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=wefJEKFQZiYCovD0uQk6kdm74W9BfZEzcShpi@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent responses so far.

Dictionaries are optimized for retrieving key/value pairs. And to achieve
that, it compromises on the order in which stuff is stored.

This and more is very nicely presented in the Pycon 2010 talk - The Mighty
Dictionary. Highly recommended.

http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/schedule/event/12/

<http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/schedule/event/12/>/jeff

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Vinay Shastry <vinayshastry at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 18 August 2010 22:58, Anand Shankar <anand_shankar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > During a tutorial python session with my colleagues I was presented with
> a basic
> > question
> >
> >>>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
> >>>> print d.keys()
> > ['coke', 'apple', 'banana']
> >
> >
> > Question is why does it not return
> >
> > ['apple','banana','coke']
> <snip>
> > I have no clues. Any inputs??
> >
>
> For this reason:
> "It is best to think of a dictionary as an unordered set of key: value
> pairs"
>
> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/datastructures.html#dictionaries
>
> >>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
> >>> d
> {'coke': 6, 'apple': 2, 'banana': 5}
> >>> print d.keys()
> ['coke', 'apple', 'banana']
>
> --
> Vinay S Shastry
> http://thenub.one09.net
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Aug 19 03:38:41 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:08:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1282181921.20570.107.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:28 -0700, Anand Shankar wrote:
> I have no clues. Any inputs??

sort order of dictionary keys is not guaranteed. Only a list will return
items in the same order as entered.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 04:45:36 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:15:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimnZkdY+h-j4Q2zOjsJT78Z0-FxtU49kVmn66zw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Anand Shankar <anand_shankar at yahoo.com>wrote:

> During a tutorial python session with my colleagues I was presented with a
> basic
> question
>
> >>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
> >>> print d.keys()
> ['coke', 'apple', 'banana']
>
>
> Question is why does it not return
>
> ['apple','banana','coke']
>
> Similarly:
>
> >>> d = {'a':2,'b':4,'c':5,'d':4,'e':3}
> >>> print d.keys()
> ['a', 'c', 'b', 'e', 'd']
>
> why not
>
> ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e']
>
> I have no clues. Any inputs??
>

You will most likely want to read about how Hash-tables work.


> anand
>
>
>
>
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From sahasr at naman.ms  Thu Aug 19 07:01:03 2010
From: sahasr at naman.ms (Sahasranaman MS)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:31:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <1282181921.20570.107.camel@localhost>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1282181921.20570.107.camel@localhost>
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  On Thursday 19 August 2010 07:08 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:28 -0700, Anand Shankar wrote:
>> I have no clues. Any inputs??
> sort order of dictionary keys is not guaranteed. Only a list will return
> items in the same order as entered.
Python has an OrderedDict class from Python 3.1  
http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.1.html#pep-372-ordered-dictionaries
For older versions of python,  there are several other implementations 
that you could use.

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 08:00:06 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:30:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <4C6CBA8F.2090505@naman.ms>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Sahasranaman MS <sahasr at naman.ms> wrote:

>  On Thursday 19 August 2010 07:08 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:28 -0700, Anand Shankar wrote:
>>
>>> I have no clues. Any inputs??
>>>
>> sort order of dictionary keys is not guaranteed. Only a list will return
>> items in the same order as entered.
>>
> Python has an OrderedDict class from Python 3.1
> http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.1.html#pep-372-ordered-dictionaries
> For older versions of python,  there are several other implementations that
> you could use.


OrderedDict = BST
Dict = HashTable


>
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From gvkalra at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 08:11:39 2010
From: gvkalra at gmail.com (Gaurav Kalra)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:41:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] NLTK: Dispersion Plot problem
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=3Cb63fAdfRe=i6KjXPLm6b2j9jfSo6fMdQP75@mail.gmail.com>

> > gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~$ cd Desktop/srv/python-environments/
> > gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~/Desktop/srv/python-environments$ source
> > gotcha/bin/activate
> > (gotcha)gvkalra at gvkalra-laptop:~/Desktop/srv/python-environments$ python
> > Python 2.6.5 (r265:79063, Apr 16 2010, 13:09:56)
> > [GCC 4.4.3] on linux2
> > Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> > >>> from nltk import *
> > >>> from nltk.book import *
> > *** Introductory Examples for the NLTK Book ***
> > Loading text1, ..., text9 and sent1, ..., sent9
> > Type the name of the text or sentence to view it.
> > Type: 'texts()' or 'sents()' to list the materials.
> > text1: Moby Dick by Herman Melville 1851
> > text2: Sense and Sensibility by Jane Austen 1811
> > text3: The Book of Genesis
> > text4: Inaugural Address Corpus
> > text5: Chat Corpus
> > text6: Monty Python and the Holy Grail
> > text7: Wall Street Journal
> > text8: Personals Corpus
> > text9: The Man Who Was Thursday by G . K . Chesterton 1908
> > >>>
> >
> >
> text4.dispersion_plot(["citizens","democracy","freedom","duties","America"])
> > >>>
> >
> > Have you checked that the plot is being minimized.
> Are you using virtual environment ?
> I tried it in Fedora 12, 13 and Ubuntu 10.4 it works fine for me .
>


The plot is not minimized either. (I tried again)
Yes, I am using virutalenv.
I am trying on Ubuntu 10.04

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 10:15:38 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:45:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <4C6CBA8F.2090505@naman.ms>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<1282181921.20570.107.camel@localhost> <4C6CBA8F.2090505@naman.ms>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLAKU+UiSARKoaE8RL67YWgmuqn8wb7s_hSjLK@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Sahasranaman MS <sahasr at naman.ms> wrote:

>  On Thursday 19 August 2010 07:08 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 10:28 -0700, Anand Shankar wrote:
>>
>>> I have no clues. Any inputs??
>>>
>> sort order of dictionary keys is not guaranteed. Only a list will return
>> items in the same order as entered.
>>
> Python has an OrderedDict class from Python 3.1
> http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.1.html#pep-372-ordered-dictionaries
> For older versions of python,  there are several other implementations that
> you could use.
>
>

When I was writing my reply I was thinking  - wasnt there something added
recently which is a dictionary and was ordered. Unfortunately I'm stuck on
2.5, so havent used this one.
Thanks for this.

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From anand_shankar at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 19 11:09:15 2010
From: anand_shankar at yahoo.com (Anand Shankar)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 02:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLAKU+UiSARKoaE8RL67YWgmuqn8wb7s_hSjLK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Thanks a Ton to all. I got a mucher deeper insight than my question deserved!!!

Thanks once again

anand



      

From delegbede at dudupay.com  Thu Aug 19 06:56:07 2010
From: delegbede at dudupay.com (Dipo Elegbede)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 05:56:07 +0100
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimnZkdY+h-j4Q2zOjsJT78Z0-FxtU49kVmn66zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Hi All,
There really shouldn't be so much debate on the question asked.
Someone actually gave a direct and clear answer. I'm new at python and
his explanations were quite understandable.
As far as dictionaries are concerned, when you retrieve keys, there is
no guarantee of a particular order.
If you call the d.keys() consecutively, you might get two different orders.
However, to get it in an alphabetical order, there is a sort() method
to use. I am not too sure of the syntax but it should be something
like this: sort(d.keys()).
Please if I'm wrong point it out immediately to avoid transmitting wrong codes.
I hope it helps.
Regards,

On 8/19/10, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Anand Shankar
> <anand_shankar at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> During a tutorial python session with my colleagues I was presented with a
>> basic
>> question
>>
>> >>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
>> >>> print d.keys()
>> ['coke', 'apple', 'banana']
>>
>>
>> Question is why does it not return
>>
>> ['apple','banana','coke']
>>
>> Similarly:
>>
>> >>> d = {'a':2,'b':4,'c':5,'d':4,'e':3}
>> >>> print d.keys()
>> ['a', 'c', 'b', 'e', 'd']
>>
>> why not
>>
>> ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e']
>>
>> I have no clues. Any inputs??
>>
>
> You will most likely want to read about how Hash-tables work.
>
>
>> anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ~l0nwlf
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From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 16:52:17 2010
From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:22:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikoXn+PPAyQvrFs8iLL+OzNy2OX0GTM6ukzFEhX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTimnZkdY+h-j4Q2zOjsJT78Z0-FxtU49kVmn66zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikoXn+PPAyQvrFs8iLL+OzNy2OX0GTM6ukzFEhX@mail.gmail.com>
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Here is a small script to sort the dictionary based on key/choice

a = {"key3": 5 , "key2": 8, "key1": 2}
b = {"key2": 7 , "key1": 4, "key3": 9}
c = {"key1": 6 , "key3": 1, "key2": 1}
undecorated = [a, b, c] # how do you sort this list?

sort_on = "key3"
decorated = [(dict_[sort_on], dict_) for dict_ in [b]]
decorated.sort()
print decorated
print "-----------------------"
result = [dict_ for (key, dict_) in decorated]
print result


Praveen Kumar
+91 9620621342
http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com
Bangalore


On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dipo Elegbede <delegbede at dudupay.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
> There really shouldn't be so much debate on the question asked.
> Someone actually gave a direct and clear answer. I'm new at python and
> his explanations were quite understandable.
> As far as dictionaries are concerned, when you retrieve keys, there is
> no guarantee of a particular order.
> If you call the d.keys() consecutively, you might get two different orders.
> However, to get it in an alphabetical order, there is a sort() method
> to use. I am not too sure of the syntax but it should be something
> like this: sort(d.keys()).
> Please if I'm wrong point it out immediately to avoid transmitting wrong
> codes.
> I hope it helps.
> Regards,
>
> On 8/19/10, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Anand Shankar
> > <anand_shankar at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >> During a tutorial python session with my colleagues I was presented with
> a
> >> basic
> >> question
> >>
> >> >>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
> >> >>> print d.keys()
> >> ['coke', 'apple', 'banana']
> >>
> >>
> >> Question is why does it not return
> >>
> >> ['apple','banana','coke']
> >>
> >> Similarly:
> >>
> >> >>> d = {'a':2,'b':4,'c':5,'d':4,'e':3}
> >> >>> print d.keys()
> >> ['a', 'c', 'b', 'e', 'd']
> >>
> >> why not
> >>
> >> ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e']
> >>
> >> I have no clues. Any inputs??
> >>
> >
> > You will most likely want to read about how Hash-tables work.
> >
> >
> >> anand
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
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From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 21:10:37 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:40:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikoXn+PPAyQvrFs8iLL+OzNy2OX0GTM6ukzFEhX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTimnZkdY+h-j4Q2zOjsJT78Z0-FxtU49kVmn66zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikoXn+PPAyQvrFs8iLL+OzNy2OX0GTM6ukzFEhX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimCz25L4EEqUOXLirbnz3vQwgysi0neR4_=ig39@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dipo Elegbede <delegbede at dudupay.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
> There really shouldn't be so much debate on the question asked.
> Someone actually gave a direct and clear answer. I'm new at python and
> his explanations were quite understandable.
>

I'm sorry that you sensed a debate in what happened to the question.
Personally I find it very refreshing when people contribute with different
ideas.
In this particular case, Shaswat Anand's reply of what OrdererdDicts are
(BSTs) was actually a new information to me. Had we closed the question the
moment we sense a right answer, I wouldnt have known that.


> If you call the d.keys() consecutively, you might get two different orders.
>

I dont think  it works the way you say it. d.keys() *should* return the same
way no matter how many times you call it. If the dictionary (d) changes in
between - because of the way HashTables/HashMaps are implemented - you are
bound to get in a different order.

*Long story short. *d.keys() will return the same thing if d doesnt change.


/jeff

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 22:04:54 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:34:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Dictionary : An elementary question
In-Reply-To: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <143420.40770.qm@web110507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik6HYpUa_067GAQXfXjpgro+fcLq7odZBYSthgB@mail.gmail.com>

Lots of good answers.

Warning: *this answer is ultra simplistic one to explain the implementation
succinctly*.

A little more from an implementation perspective dict operations usually
involve converting a dict into a hash. This hash is then converted into a
bucket. And sometimes when one gets into a collision, an alternative bucket
may need to get selected. In a simplistic example lets say we have 100
buckets, the hash is computed by adding the ascii values of the bytes
comprising the key.

Now lets assume the the key is the character 'AB'
Since the ascii code of 'A' is 65, and 'B' is 66 and there are no other
characters, then given our hash algorithm the hash will work out to 65 + 66
= 131

A simple hash to bucket mapping model is to use mod / modulo. Since 131 mod
100 which leads us to 31.

Assuming there are no key collisions and the buckets are stored as an array,
the key will now be stored in bucket no. 31 (zero based index). If there is
a collision - the key will be stored in some other bucket based on the
resolution provided by the collision management algorithm

Usually when one invokes a ".keys()" method, the most efficient way is to
run through the buckets array and spit out the keys stored in each non empty
bucket.

That should hopefully clarify why ".keys()" generally does not return keys
ordered by the keys themselves, it often will return keys ordered by the
buckets they are stored into.

Also since changing the internal logic of the hash table with regards to key
-> hash -> bucket mapping and collision management, will change the internal
order for the same set of keys.
Similarly even if the same keys are inserted into the hash table in
different orders, the resultant order of keys can change if some of the keys
collide.

As a result hash tables will generally not issue any guarantee any ordering
on the keys since that would require additional efforts and the implied
performance loss - something thats often unnecessary for most typical dict
operations.

Dhananjay

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Anand Shankar <anand_shankar at yahoo.com>wrote:

> During a tutorial python session with my colleagues I was presented with a
> basic
> question
>
> >>> d = {'apple':2,'banana':5, 'coke': 6}
> >>> print d.keys()
> ['coke', 'apple', 'banana']
>
>
> Question is why does it not return
>
> ['apple','banana','coke']
>
> Similarly:
>
> >>> d = {'a':2,'b':4,'c':5,'d':4,'e':3}
> >>> print d.keys()
> ['a', 'c', 'b', 'e', 'd']
>
> why not
>
> ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'e']
>
> I have no clues. Any inputs??
>
> anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From vinayakh at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 13:50:18 2010
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:20:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Offline Payments for Pycon India
Message-ID: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just registered for Pycon India and it says that payments can be
made at Local user groups meetings in the offline mode. I have opted
for offline as Do attend's online system is honestly confusing.

Is there any easier way to make payments such as EFT to an holding
account for Pycon India ? That would really help.

Apologies for spamming the group but I thought that other people on
the list (who want to attend Pycon India) might have similar
questions.

-- Vinayak

From kunalkantsen at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 17:18:02 2010
From: kunalkantsen at gmail.com (kunalkant sen)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:48:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Offline Payments for Pycon India
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmdDFMQAjnBG3wcpyrWNtSceb2XN8u7JkLzaoh@mail.gmail.com>

Kunal Kant Sen
09241009423


On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just registered for Pycon India and it says that payments can be
> made at Local user groups meetings in the offline mode. I have opted
> for offline as Do attend's online system is honestly confusing.
>
> Is there any easier way to make payments such as EFT to an holding
> account for Pycon India ? That would really help.
>
> Apologies for spamming the group but I thought that other people on
> the list (who want to attend Pycon India) might have similar
> questions.
>
> -- Vinayak
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From kunalkantsen at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 17:23:40 2010
From: kunalkantsen at gmail.com (kunalkant sen)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:53:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Offline Payments for Pycon India
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmdDFMQAjnBG3wcpyrWNtSceb2XN8u7JkLzaoh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimmdDFMQAjnBG3wcpyrWNtSceb2XN8u7JkLzaoh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinT-prottzTzpOYoc5TD4CjpRO1_W1s3URBwFLZ@mail.gmail.com>

Vinayak,

Go to the nearest axis bank deposit the money or use net Banking in favor
of  the Indian Python Software Society (IPSS) account, Details at
http://ipss.org.in.
Send details to me or Noufal. If you have problem, ping me.


~ Kunal


On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 8:48 PM, kunalkant sen <kunalkantsen at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Kunal Kant Sen
> 09241009423
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just registered for Pycon India and it says that payments can be
>> made at Local user groups meetings in the offline mode. I have opted
>> for offline as Do attend's online system is honestly confusing.
>>
>> Is there any easier way to make payments such as EFT to an holding
>> account for Pycon India ? That would really help.
>>
>> Apologies for spamming the group but I thought that other people on
>> the list (who want to attend Pycon India) might have similar
>> questions.
>>
>> -- Vinayak
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>

From ideamonk at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 17:37:37 2010
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:07:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [CROSSPOST] Fwd: [SahanaEden] Helping Pakistan with
	Sahana
In-Reply-To: <008301cb4132$cccc6a70$66653f50$@sahanafoundation.org>
References: <ActBLJbRtQlgemT6QE+ElfRBF/wdxg==>
	<008301cb4132$cccc6a70$66653f50$@sahanafoundation.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimD99pVJQtgJ78Zu+QY4ZC=44HJ5F8GN1zw70JX@mail.gmail.com>

OT / FWD

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Howden <michael at sahanafoundation.org>
Date: Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 6:44 PM
Subject: [SahanaEden] Helping Pakistan with Sahana
To: sahana-eden at googlegroups.com, discuss at lists.sahanafoundation.org,
sahana-pakistan-2010 at googlegroups.com


FYI ? please feel free to distribute to your networks:

----

The Sahana Software Foundation have a site up to support the Floods Response
in Pakistan:

http://pakistan.sahanafoundation.org



Although there are a number of information management tools providing
resources on the Pakistan Flood Response, Sahana specialises in providing
open data which means that instead of just providing narrative documents
which need to be manually searched for the required data, it can provide the
raw data, in various formats, including on maps, to help the relief efforts
and longer term recovery. Sahana is built on an open source Rapid
Application Development framework and supported by a global community of
volunteers, which means that new features can quickly developed in response
to changing requirements on-the-ground.



For more information on how you can either user Sahana or help contribute to
the effort, please visit:

http://eden.sahanafoundation.org/wiki/Pakistan

Or join:

sahana-pakistan-2010 at googlegroups.com



Michael Howden

Sahana Software Foundation



*Sahana Software Foundation mission is to help alleviate human suffering by
giving emergency managers, disaster response professionals and communities
access to the information that they need to better prepare for and respond
to disasters through the development and promotion of free and open source
software and open standards.*

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sun Aug 22 03:05:23 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:35:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Offline Payments for Pycon India
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282439123.2150.65.camel@localhost>

On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 17:20 +0530, Vinayak Hegde wrote:
> Is there any easier way to make payments such as EFT to an holding
> account for Pycon India ? That would really help. 

go to any branch of axis bank and pay there by cash or cheque or by
netbanking. Account details are here:

http://ipss.org.in (on the right hand side)

then mail the payment details, ticket number etc to me *offlist*
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sun Aug 22 03:08:05 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:38:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Offline Payments for Pycon India
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinT-prottzTzpOYoc5TD4CjpRO1_W1s3URBwFLZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimmdDFMQAjnBG3wcpyrWNtSceb2XN8u7JkLzaoh@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinT-prottzTzpOYoc5TD4CjpRO1_W1s3URBwFLZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282439285.2150.67.camel@localhost>

On Sat, 2010-08-21 at 20:53 +0530, kunalkant sen wrote:
> Go to the nearest axis bank deposit the money or use net Banking in
> favor
> of  the Indian Python Software Society (IPSS) account, Details at
> http://ipss.org.in.
> Send details to me or Noufal. If you have problem, ping me. 

@person_in_charge_of_website - this link should be somewhere prominent
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From mails at anirudh.ind.in  Sun Aug 22 06:26:24 2010
From: mails at anirudh.ind.in (Anirudh Asokan)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:56:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Problem with urlretrieve
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=kT-=7w=Jgs5UDmBmnUtzDXcWfBbpYE+iKpJDM@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy mates,

             Im running Python 2.6.4 in Ubuntu 9.10 with mod_python. When I
run the following code in python IDLE -


urlretrieve('
http://www.pics4news.com/Eveant_Gallery/2008-09-06/Onam_Festival/Medium_Images/Onam_Festival_9834_medium.jpg
','/home/anirudh/onam.jpg')


its works and give me the following output -

('/home/anirudh/onam.jpg', <httplib.HTTPMessage instance at 0x9a681ec>)


Now when the same code is put in a file, say "leech.py" and is called from a
html page called html1.py, I get the following error report -


File "/home/anirudh/server/mod/tb/leech.py", line 51, in index
urlretrieve('
http://www.pics4news.com/Eveant_Gallery/2008-09-06/Onam_Festival/Medium_Images/Onam_Festival_9834_medium.jpg
','/home/anirudh/onam2.jpg')

File "/usr/lib/python2.6/urllib.py", line 94, in urlretrieve
return _urlopener.retrieve(url, filename, reporthook, data)

File "/usr/lib/python2.6/urllib.py", line 242, in retrieve
tfp = open(filename, 'wb')

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/anirudh/onam2.jpg'



I tried with different name for the target file so that there will be no
problen of replaceing the file.

Got any idea whats going on guys?

-- 
Cheers,
Anirudh Asokan
www.anirudh.ind.in

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 07:02:20 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:32:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Problem with urlretrieve
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=kT-=7w=Jgs5UDmBmnUtzDXcWfBbpYE+iKpJDM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=kT-=7w=Jgs5UDmBmnUtzDXcWfBbpYE+iKpJDM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100822050220.GA5765@remy>

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 09:56:24AM +0530, Anirudh Asokan wrote:
> I tried with different name for the target file so that there will be no
> problen of replaceing the file.
> 
> Got any idea whats going on guys?

Your webserver's user (www-data perhaps) does not have write
permission to the directory you are trying to write. Write it under
/tmp or somewhere your webserver has +w permissions, it should work.


-- 
Senthil

Don't be overly suspicious where it's not warranted.

From aditya.sahay at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 08:26:47 2010
From: aditya.sahay at gmail.com (Aditya Sahay)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:56:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Problem with urlretrieve (Anirudh Asokan)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10443.1282451206.1671.bangpypers@python.org>
References: <mailman.10443.1282451206.1671.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <AB272B50-1859-4C92-9FF3-746B8B85C05C@gmail.com>

Does your code have write permissions to the folder where you're trying to write the image file?

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 09:47:04 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:17:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Offline Payments for Pycon India
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Vinayak Hegde's message of "Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:20:18 +0530")
References: <AANLkTimatMqHfMEqKBtg=i9JdZHJTn8KpcWrm9wPe8aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <874oenay2v.fsf@gmail.com>

Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I just registered for Pycon India and it says that payments can be
> made at Local user groups meetings in the offline mode. I have opted
> for offline as Do attend's online system is honestly confusing.
>
> Is there any easier way to make payments such as EFT to an holding
> account for Pycon India ? That would really help.
>
> Apologies for spamming the group but I thought that other people on
> the list (who want to attend Pycon India) might have similar
> questions.

[...]


If you can transfer the amount to our account directly (the bank details
are here - http://ipss.org.in/) and then let us know your ticket and
order numbers, we can do what's necessary. 


-- 

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Aug 22 10:01:02 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:31:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Problem with urlretrieve
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=kT-=7w=Jgs5UDmBmnUtzDXcWfBbpYE+iKpJDM@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anirudh Asokan's message of "Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:56:24 +0530")
References: <AANLkTi=kT-=7w=Jgs5UDmBmnUtzDXcWfBbpYE+iKpJDM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87r5hr9iv5.fsf@gmail.com>

Anirudh Asokan <mails at anirudh.ind.in> writes:


[...]

> tfp = open(filename, 'wb')
>
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/anirudh/onam2.jpg'
[...]

> Got any idea whats going on guys?

I'd say it's pretty obvious from the above lines what the problem is. 



-- 

From mails at anirudh.ind.in  Sun Aug 22 14:22:31 2010
From: mails at anirudh.ind.in (Anirudh Asokan)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:52:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Problem with urlretrieve
Message-ID: <AANLkTimGPYeQXr+9n77GstY7YMzJLuyCeH1ccn41GkJH@mail.gmail.com>

Yes the problem is pretty obvious :D . Can anyone help me overcome this? I
want to give my python script write permission to the directories I wish.
Should I configure Apache or can anything be done using python?

-- 
Cheers,
Anirudh Asokan
www.anirudh.ind.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sun Aug 22 15:25:45 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:55:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Problem with urlretrieve
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimGPYeQXr+9n77GstY7YMzJLuyCeH1ccn41GkJH@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimGPYeQXr+9n77GstY7YMzJLuyCeH1ccn41GkJH@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1282483545.2150.622.camel@localhost>

On Sun, 2010-08-22 at 17:52 +0530, Anirudh Asokan wrote:
> Yes the problem is pretty obvious :D . Can anyone help me overcome
> this? I
> want to give my python script write permission to the directories I
> wish.
> Should I configure Apache or can anything be done using python? 

chown -R www-data:www-data '/yourdirectory/'
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From mails at anirudh.ind.in  Sun Aug 22 17:22:54 2010
From: mails at anirudh.ind.in (Anirudh Asokan)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:52:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Problem with urlretrieve
Message-ID: <AANLkTimbcaqZKoAhP-3=pqi8F17s17N--Fve_ZFCd67q@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, Got it working. Thanks guys. Another example of fine team work. ;)

-- 
Cheers,
Anirudh Asokan
www.anirudh.ind.in

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 04:30:55 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:00:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Problem with urlretrieve
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimbcaqZKoAhP-3=pqi8F17s17N--Fve_ZFCd67q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimbcaqZKoAhP-3=pqi8F17s17N--Fve_ZFCd67q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100823023055.GA29817@remy>

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 08:52:54PM +0530, Anirudh Asokan wrote:
> Ok, Got it working. Thanks guys. Another example of fine team work. ;)

Thanks for the compliment, but there was no team work here. I guess,
you misunderstood what everyone was trying to point out to you, that
it is a simple task, you should dig a bit yourself and sometimes
someone giving you extra hints. :)

-- 
Senthil

He knew the tavernes well in every toun.
		-- Geoffrey Chaucer

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 12:41:50 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:11:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>

While python's multimethod module allows function overloading based on
types, here's another approach to do the same based on a switching function
(clojure style) or on a set of conditions.

Clojure style multimethod functions in
python<http://codeblog.dhananjaynene.com/2010/08/clojure-style-multi-methods-in-python/>
.

Comments if any welcome on the blog post / here.
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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 12:56:16 2010
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:26:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
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Probably better to use PEAK Rules....

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Dhananjay Nene
<dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> While python's multimethod module allows function overloading based on
> types, here's another approach to do the same based on a switching function
> (clojure style) or on a set of conditions.
>
> Clojure style multimethod functions in
> python<http://codeblog.dhananjaynene.com/2010/08/clojure-style-multi-methods-in-python/>
> .
>
> Comments if any welcome on the blog post / here.
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 15:05:00 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:35:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C-CefC-zgs4bu6bXQSsY==2yLUqfOk6PMPZXe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=C-CefC-zgs4bu6bXQSsY==2yLUqfOk6PMPZXe@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably better to use PEAK Rules....
>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
>

That looks much more fully featured indeed. But I couldn't understand why
features such as the one I "copy-pasted" below are relevant when a simple
lambda is all that is required :


   - The Basic AST
Builder<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/AST-Builder>and
advanced Code
   Generation<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Code-Generation>
   - Criteria <http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Criteria>,
   Indexing <http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Indexing>,
   and Predicates<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Predicates>
   - Syntax pattern
matching<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Syntax-Matching>

 Dhananjay

>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Dhananjay Nene
> <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> > While python's multimethod module allows function overloading based on
> > types, here's another approach to do the same based on a switching
> function
> > (clojure style) or on a set of conditions.
> >
> > Clojure style multimethod functions in
> > python<
> http://codeblog.dhananjaynene.com/2010/08/clojure-style-multi-methods-in-python/
> >
> > .
> >
> > Comments if any welcome on the blog post / here.
> > --
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 15:04:39 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:34:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=C-CefC-zgs4bu6bXQSsY==2yLUqfOk6PMPZXe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=C-CefC-zgs4bu6bXQSsY==2yLUqfOk6PMPZXe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJR2Tx6Rc3NLaGUQyHwBD1naoXFs4_nv=L_Wc4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably better to use PEAK Rules....
>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
>

That looks much more fully featured indeed. But I couldn't understand why
features such as the one I "copy-pasted" below are relevant when a simple
lambda is all that is required :


   - The Basic AST
Builder<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/AST-Builder>and
advanced Code
   Generation<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Code-Generation>
   - Criteria <http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Criteria>,
   Indexing <http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Indexing>,
   and Predicates<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Predicates>
   - Syntax pattern
matching<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Syntax-Matching>

 Dhananjay

>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Dhananjay Nene
> <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> > While python's multimethod module allows function overloading based on
> > types, here's another approach to do the same based on a switching
> function
> > (clojure style) or on a set of conditions.
> >
> > Clojure style multimethod functions in
> > python<
> http://codeblog.dhananjaynene.com/2010/08/clojure-style-multi-methods-in-python/
> >
> > .
> >
> > Comments if any welcome on the blog post / here.
> > --
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com
> > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 16:09:32 2010
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 19:39:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinW6io+8urw3+tQBAjndAfg0Zd2gaEb2hOxKq7-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=C-CefC-zgs4bu6bXQSsY==2yLUqfOk6PMPZXe@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinW6io+8urw3+tQBAjndAfg0Zd2gaEb2hOxKq7-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3p0uAUGd48ZqDVWVBAVHhzt8G6E108_8OpsRk@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Dhananjay Nene
<dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
> rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Probably better to use PEAK Rules....
>>
>> Regards
>> Rajeev J Sebastian
>>
>
> That looks much more fully featured indeed. But I couldn't understand why
> features such as the one I "copy-pasted" below are relevant when a simple
> lambda is all that is required :
>
>
> ? - The Basic AST
> Builder<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/AST-Builder>and
> advanced Code
> ? Generation<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Code-Generation>
> ? - Criteria <http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Criteria>,
> ? Indexing <http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Indexing>,
> ? and Predicates<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Predicates>
> ? - Syntax pattern
> matching<http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PEAK-Rules/Syntax-Matching>

When you have a large number of rules, you want to optimize the
dispatcher to select the most appropriate rule in the fastest possible
way. In your case, only the result of the 'ticket' method is ever used
for the dispatch; imagine if different methods had different
conditions altogether. For e.g.:


@when("product.days_since_last_sale > days(365)")
def discount(product, user):
        return "10%"

@when("product.category == 'football' and user.is_football_lover")
def discount(product, user):
      return "50%"

@when("product.category == 'cricket'")
def discount(product, user):
      return "0%"

etc.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From b.ghose at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 16:43:30 2010
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:13:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimyUfjHTCSuO6r=CKgA7eMZas1Bk7Y7xpHufC2W@mail.gmail.com>

> While python's multimethod module allows function overloading based on
> types, here's another approach to do the same based on a switching function
> (clojure style) or on a set of conditions.
>
> Clojure style multimethod functions in
> python<http://codeblog.dhananjaynene.com/2010/08/clojure-style-multi-methods-in-python/>

Please don't claim that the above is `Clojure style multimethods'.
Clojure multimethods can dispatch on an arbitrary function of `the
arguments' given to the multimethod and not just on any arbitrary
function of `the properties of the object'.

Regards,
BG

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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 16:50:42 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:20:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimyUfjHTCSuO6r=CKgA7eMZas1Bk7Y7xpHufC2W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimyUfjHTCSuO6r=CKgA7eMZas1Bk7Y7xpHufC2W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimfw6wvo6LXiLLVR=jS3=eNduwm0JWtR1sQ==ca@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:

> > While python's multimethod module allows function overloading based on
> > types, here's another approach to do the same based on a switching
> function
> > (clojure style) or on a set of conditions.
> >
> > Clojure style multimethod functions in
> > python<
> http://codeblog.dhananjaynene.com/2010/08/clojure-style-multi-methods-in-python/
> >
>
> Please don't claim that the above is `Clojure style multimethods'.
> Clojure multimethods can dispatch on an arbitrary function of `the
> arguments' given to the multimethod and not just on any arbitrary
> function of `the properties of the object'.
>

BG,

Could you help explain in light of the following (the argument lists are in
bold). The switcher function is provided exactly the same arguments as the
various multimethods. Probably something about clojure I am not aware of ?

Dhananjay

def multi(switcher_func):
    """ Declares a multi map based method which will switch to the
    appropriate function based on the results of the switcher func"""

    def dispatcher(*args, **kwargs):
        key = *switcher_func(*args, **kwargs)*
        func = dispatcher.dispatch_map[key]
        if func :
            return *func(*args,**kwargs)*
        else :
            raise Exception("No function defined for dispatch key: %s" % key
)
    dispatcher.dispatch_map = {}
    return dispatcher

>
> Regards,
> BG
>
> --
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> b.ghose at gmail.com
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From b.ghose at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 17:06:54 2010
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:36:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimfw6wvo6LXiLLVR=jS3=eNduwm0JWtR1sQ==ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimyUfjHTCSuO6r=CKgA7eMZas1Bk7Y7xpHufC2W@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimfw6wvo6LXiLLVR=jS3=eNduwm0JWtR1sQ==ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinm4r1vP1AdMC-Gp+1GxYC+mhERY5767vwHnELM@mail.gmail.com>

Dhananjay,

> Could you help explain in light of the following (the argument lists are in
> bold). The switcher function is provided exactly the same arguments as the
> various multimethods. Probably something about clojure I am not aware of ?
>
> Dhananjay
>
> def multi(switcher_func):
> ? ?""" Declares a multi map based method which will switch to the
> ? ?appropriate function based on the results of the switcher func"""
>
> ? ?def dispatcher(*args, **kwargs):
> ? ? ? ?key = *switcher_func(*args, **kwargs)*
> ? ? ? ?func = dispatcher.dispatch_map[key]
> ? ? ? ?if func :
> ? ? ? ? ? ?return *func(*args,**kwargs)*
> ? ? ? ?else :
> ? ? ? ? ? ?raise Exception("No function defined for dispatch key: %s" % key
> )
> ? ?dispatcher.dispatch_map = {}
> ? ?return dispatcher

Multimethods are supposed to dispatch on the ``value'' returned by the
dispatch function and not just when a specific condition is satisfied.
What will you do when there are multiple possibilities? Ideally, I
should be able to prefer a specific method to another one in case
there is some ambiguity. Yours will always pick the first one that
satisfies the condition, which is again dependent on the order in
which the code is evaluated.

For example, try implementing the following using your code -
http://clojure.org/runtime_polymorphism

Regards,
BG

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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 17:51:37 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:21:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinm4r1vP1AdMC-Gp+1GxYC+mhERY5767vwHnELM@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTimyUfjHTCSuO6r=CKgA7eMZas1Bk7Y7xpHufC2W@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimfw6wvo6LXiLLVR=jS3=eNduwm0JWtR1sQ==ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinm4r1vP1AdMC-Gp+1GxYC+mhERY5767vwHnELM@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dhananjay,
>
> > Could you help explain in light of the following (the argument lists are
> in
> > bold). The switcher function is provided exactly the same arguments as
> the
> > various multimethods. Probably something about clojure I am not aware of
> ?
> >
> > Dhananjay
> >
> > def multi(switcher_func):
> >    """ Declares a multi map based method which will switch to the
> >    appropriate function based on the results of the switcher func"""
> >
> >    def dispatcher(*args, **kwargs):
> >        key = *switcher_func(*args, **kwargs)*
> >        func = dispatcher.dispatch_map[key]
> >        if func :
> >            return *func(*args,**kwargs)*
> >        else :
> >            raise Exception("No function defined for dispatch key: %s" %
> key
> > )
> >    dispatcher.dispatch_map = {}
> >    return dispatcher
>
> Multimethods are supposed to dispatch on the ``value'' returned by the
> dispatch function and not just when a specific condition is satisfied.
> What will you do when there are multiple possibilities? Ideally, I
> should be able to prefer a specific method to another one in case
> there is some ambiguity. Yours will always pick the first one that
> satisfies the condition, which is again dependent on the order in
> which the code is evaluated.
>
> For example, try implementing the following using your code -
> http://clojure.org/runtime_polymorphism
>
> Without making any change whatsoever to multi() and multi_method(),
the result of the following code :

# Declare the existence of a multi method switcher
encounter = multi(lambda x,y : (x["Species"], y["Species"]))

@multi_method(encounter, ("Bunny","Lion"))
def encounter(a1, a2):
    return "run-away"

@multi_method(encounter, ("Lion","Bunny"))
def encounter(a1, a2):
    return "eat"

@multi_method(encounter, ("Bunny","Bunny"))
def encounter(a1, a2):
    return "mate"

@multi_method(encounter, ("Lion","Lion"))
def encounter(a1, a2):
    return "fight"

b1 = {"Species" : "Bunny", "Other" : "Stuff"}
b2 = {"Species" : "Bunny", "Other" : "Stuff"}
l1 = {"Species" : "Lion", "Other" : "Stuff"}
l2 = {"Species" : "Lion", "Other" : "Stuff"}

print encounter(b1, b2)
print encounter(b1, l1)
print encounter(l1, b1)
print encounter(l1, l2)

*is
*
mate
run-away
eat
fight

Is that consistent with the expectations ?
Dhananjay


> Regards,
> BG
>
> --
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> b.ghose at gmail.com
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From arulalant at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 12:35:23 2010
From: arulalant at gmail.com (Arulalan T)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:05:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2 in
	Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=FWRNfBhGZiQVx2TdONN+MvPLcL0DjQLtjABZD@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear All,

I need one help.

In python, I need to set the floating point precision as 2.

I am getting the following output in python while adding two float nos.

>>>a=79.73
>>>b=0.5
>>> a+b
80.230000000000004

I need exactly 2 precision point in this float value. i.e. 80.23

Even though I tried in round method, its not satisfied me. Because

>>> a = round(3.7138464897123424324355124355,2)
>>> a
3.71
>>> a = round(3.7238464897123424324355124355,2)
>>> a
3.7200000000000002

Can you understand the difference. Depends upon the value, it will round.

I no need ceil and floor options. Because it may change the original values.

I need just 2 precision point in the float value.

I am getting two numbers dynamically. So I can not say exactly, what kind of
floating numbers I am going to use.

What I have to do ?

Any suggestions ?

Thanks in advance.




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From caulagi at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 12:49:18 2010
From: caulagi at gmail.com (Pradip Caulagi)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:19:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikk7dmO9H3m1mPO0pvRxPp+3MkUsXAVk+YMqciW@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikk7dmO9H3m1mPO0pvRxPp+3MkUsXAVk+YMqciW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikX4yhiDtCJ+3UcrSC1LLMz3aMrhP+VUrNrD_vp@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In python, I need to set the floating point precision as 2.
>
> I am getting the following output in python while adding two float nos.
>
>>>>a=79.73
>>>>b=0.5

Multiply by 100.
Add as integers.
Divide by 100.

From kausikram at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 12:51:30 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:21:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikX4yhiDtCJ+3UcrSC1LLMz3aMrhP+VUrNrD_vp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=FWRNfBhGZiQVx2TdONN+MvPLcL0DjQLtjABZD@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikk7dmO9H3m1mPO0pvRxPp+3MkUsXAVk+YMqciW@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikX4yhiDtCJ+3UcrSC1LLMz3aMrhP+VUrNrD_vp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimXOavc3zQREjebJrP1Q=rJee8A1NAKpk=ZW+xb@mail.gmail.com>

> I am getting the following output in python while adding two float nos.
> a=79.73
> b=0.5

the reason for which is: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/floatingpoint.html

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From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 24 12:44:32 2010
From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:14:32 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikk7dmO9H3m1mPO0pvRxPp+3MkUsXAVk+YMqciW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <303386.10436.qm@web95310.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Hi Arun,
?? Check out this 
>>> a=79.73
>>> b=0.5
>>> c = '%.2f' %(a+b)
>>> c
'80.23'

Hope this help.

With Regards
Vijay


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From: Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com>
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2 in Python
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 4:05 PM

Dear All,

I need one help.

In python, I need to set the floating point precision as 2.

I am getting the following output in python while adding two float nos.

>>>a=79.73
>>>b=0.5
>>> a+b
80.230000000000004

I need exactly 2 precision point in this float value. i.e. 80.23

Even though I tried in round method, its not satisfied me. Because

>>> a = round(3.7138464897123424324355124355,2)
>>> a
3.71
>>> a = round(3.7238464897123424324355124355,2)
>>> a
3.7200000000000002

Can you understand the difference. Depends upon the value, it will round.

I no need ceil and floor options. Because it may change the original values.

I need just 2 precision point in the float value.

I am getting two numbers dynamically. So I can not say exactly, what kind of
floating numbers I am going to use.

What I have to do ?

Any suggestions ?

Thanks in advance.




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From arulalant at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 13:17:08 2010
From: arulalant at gmail.com (Arulalan T)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:47:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
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Hi,

2010/8/24 vijay <vnbang2003 at yahoo.com>

> Hi Arun,
>    Check out this
> >>> a=79.73
> >>> b=0.5
> >>> c = '%.2f' %(a+b)
> >>> c
> '80.23'
>

It is string.
>>> float(c)
80.230000000000004

Again same problem getting . :(
I need it as float only.


>
> Hope this help.
>
> With Regards
> Vijay
>
>
> --- On Tue, 24/8/10, Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2 in
> Python
> To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 4:05 PM
>
> Dear All,
>
> I need one help.
>
> In python, I need to set the floating point precision as 2.
>
> I am getting the following output in python while adding two float nos.
>
> >>>a=79.73
> >>>b=0.5
> >>> a+b
> 80.230000000000004
>
> I need exactly 2 precision point in this float value. i.e. 80.23
>
> Even though I tried in round method, its not satisfied me. Because
>
> >>> a = round(3.7138464897123424324355124355,2)
> >>> a
> 3.71
> >>> a = round(3.7238464897123424324355124355,2)
> >>> a
> 3.7200000000000002
>
> Can you understand the difference. Depends upon the value, it will round.
>
> I no need ceil and floor options. Because it may change the original
> values.
>
> I need just 2 precision point in the float value.
>
> I am getting two numbers dynamically. So I can not say exactly, what kind
> of
> floating numbers I am going to use.
>
> What I have to do ?
>
> Any suggestions ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
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>
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From arulalant at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 13:20:47 2010
From: arulalant at gmail.com (Arulalan T)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:50:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
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2010/8/24 Pradip Caulagi <caulagi at gmail.com>

> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In python, I need to set the floating point precision as 2.
> >
> > I am getting the following output in python while adding two float nos.
> >
> >>>>a=79.73
> >>>>b=0.5
>
> Multiply by 100.
> Add as integers.
> Divide by 100.
>


Yes, we can do this way.
By this way I can handle 80 and 23 as two separate integers.
But when I want make it as float
>>>80+0.23
 80.230000000000004

again it will be come same floating value.
so I cant use this way.


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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 13:31:59 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:01:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikk7dmO9H3m1mPO0pvRxPp+3MkUsXAVk+YMqciW@mail.gmail.com>
	(Arulalan T.'s message of "Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:05:23 +0530")
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(I posted this to ChennaiPy but this list is wider so I'm reposting
it). 

Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> writes:

> Dear All,
>
> I need one help.
>
> In python, I need to set the floating point precision as 2.
>
> I am getting the following output in python while adding two float nos.


Often, you *need* to only display the result of your calculations with n
decimal places. Is yours such a situation? If so, forget the number of
decimal points during the computation and when printing format it as
appropriate ("%.2f").

If you genuinely want to work without the floating point problem that
you've indicated in your email, consider using the decimal module

>>> import decimal
>>> a = decimal.Decimal("79.73")
>>> b = decimal.Decimal("0.5")
>>> str(a + b)
'80.23'

[...]

Can you tell us *why* this inaccuracy is hurting you? 


-- 

From arulalant at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 13:42:05 2010
From: arulalant at gmail.com (Arulalan T)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:12:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <87lj7w2qmo.fsf@gmail.com>
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2010/8/24 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>

>
> (I posted this to ChennaiPy but this list is wider so I'm reposting
> it).
>
> Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I need one help.
> >
> > In python, I need to set the floating point precision as 2.
> >
> > I am getting the following output in python while adding two float nos.
>
>
> Often, you *need* to only display the result of your calculations with n
> decimal places. Is yours such a situation? If so, forget the number of
> decimal points during the computation and when printing format it as
> appropriate ("%.2f").
>
>
I am not just printing the float value.


> If you genuinely want to work without the floating point problem that
> you've indicated in your email, consider using the decimal module
>
> >>> import decimal
> >>> a = decimal.Decimal("79.73")
> >>> b = decimal.Decimal("0.5")
>


> >>> str(a + b)
>


> '80.23'
>

This is wrong ans.

>>> str(a+b)
'80'.

i.e. '80' only, not '80.23'.

And I dont want this in string. I need only in float value, that too exactly
in precision 2.




>
> [...]
>
> Can you tell us *why* this inaccuracy is hurting you?
>
>
I am doing project for Indian Meteorological Department using CDAT python
library.

Now I am plotting weather symbol markers on India Map at corresponding
latitude and longitude (in float) dynamically.
Due to inaccuracy floating value of latitude & logitude,
the position of markers are moved away from the exact position of the
stations on the map.

so I need float value in 2 precision without changing the value. Not in
string.

Any suggestions?

Thanks


>
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 14:12:33 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:42:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=y3zxaBnb-idj0kYq9Wz4gRYmYfrkvwf5V4iVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Arulalan T.'s message of "Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:12:05 +0530")
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Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> writes:

[...]

>> Often, you *need* to only display the result of your calculations with n
>> decimal places. Is yours such a situation? If so, forget the number of
>> decimal points during the computation and when printing format it as
>> appropriate ("%.2f").
>>
>>
> I am not just printing the float value.

I'm quite sure that you're doing more than printing. I'm asking you
whether the 2 decimal places business applies at all levels of the
program or only at the display level.

>> >>> import decimal
>> >>> a = decimal.Decimal("79.73")
>> >>> b = decimal.Decimal("0.5")
>>
>
>
>> >>> str(a + b)
>>
>
>
>> '80.23'
>>
>
> This is wrong ans.


79.73 + 0.5 is 80.23.

Why is this a wrong answer?


>>>> str(a+b)
> '80'.
>
> i.e. '80' only, not '80.23'.
>
> And I dont want this in string. I need only in float value, that too exactly
> in precision 2.

That's just the string representation. You got it because you called
"str" on the value.

>>> import decimal
>>> a = decimal.Decimal("79.73")
>>> b = decimal.Decimal("0.5")
>>> a + b
Decimal('80.23')


[...]

> I am doing project for Indian Meteorological Department using CDAT python
> library.
>
> Now I am plotting weather symbol markers on India Map at corresponding
> latitude and longitude (in float) dynamically.
> Due to inaccuracy floating value of latitude & logitude,
> the position of markers are moved away from the exact position of the
> stations on the map.
>
> so I need float value in 2 precision without changing the value. Not in
> string.
>
> Any suggestions?

[...]

Well, you shouldn't be using floating point numbers to represent things
like currency, longitude/latitute etc. 

What is the problem with the decimal module?

You can fine tune the precision of your current execution thread using
the getcontext method

>>> import decimal
>>> decimal.getcontext().prec = 2            # Two decimal points
>>> decimal.Decimal(1) / decimal.Decimal(7)  
Decimal('0.14')
>>> decimal.getcontext().prec = 15           # 15 decimal points
>>> decimal.Decimal(1) / decimal.Decimal(7)
Decimal('0.142857142857143')
>>> 






-- 

From arulalant at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 14:22:02 2010
From: arulalant at gmail.com (Arulalan T)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:52:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
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2010/8/24 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>

> Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> >> Often, you *need* to only display the result of your calculations with n
> >> decimal places. Is yours such a situation? If so, forget the number of
> >> decimal points during the computation and when printing format it as
> >> appropriate ("%.2f").
> >>
> >>
> > I am not just printing the float value.
>
> I'm quite sure that you're doing more than printing. I'm asking you
> whether the 2 decimal places business applies at all levels of the
> program or only at the display level.
>
> >> >>> import decimal
> >> >>> a = decimal.Decimal("79.73")
> >> >>> b = decimal.Decimal("0.5")
> >>
> >
> >
> >> >>> str(a + b)
> >>
> >
> >
> >> '80.23'
> >>
> >
> > This is wrong ans.
>
>
> 79.73 + 0.5 is 80.23.
>
> Why is this a wrong answer?
>
>
> >>>> str(a+b)
> > '80'.
> >
> > i.e. '80' only, not '80.23'.
> >
> > And I dont want this in string. I need only in float value, that too
> exactly
> > in precision 2.
>
> That's just the string representation. You got it because you called
> "str" on the value.
>
> >>> import decimal
> >>> a = decimal.Decimal("79.73")
> >>> b = decimal.Decimal("0.5")
> >>> a + b
> Decimal('80.23')
>
>
> [...]
>
> > I am doing project for Indian Meteorological Department using CDAT python
> > library.
> >
> > Now I am plotting weather symbol markers on India Map at corresponding
> > latitude and longitude (in float) dynamically.
> > Due to inaccuracy floating value of latitude & logitude,
> > the position of markers are moved away from the exact position of the
> > stations on the map.
> >
> > so I need float value in 2 precision without changing the value. Not in
> > string.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
>
> [...]
>
> Well, you shouldn't be using floating point numbers to represent things
> like currency, longitude/latitute etc.
>
> What is the problem with the decimal module?
>
> You can fine tune the precision of your current execution thread using
> the getcontext method
>
> >>> import decimal
> >>> decimal.getcontext().prec = 2            # Two decimal points
> >>> decimal.Decimal(1) / decimal.Decimal(7)
> Decimal('0.14')
> >>> decimal.getcontext().prec = 15           # 15 decimal points
> >>> decimal.Decimal(1) / decimal.Decimal(7)
> Decimal('0.142857142857143')
> >>>
>
>
>


>>> from decimal import *
>>> getcontext().prec = 3
>>> getcontext().rounding = ROUND_UP
>>> Decimal('3.1415926535') + Decimal('2.7182818285')
Decimal('5.86')

or

>>> getcontext().prec = 3
>>> getcontext().rounding = ROUND_DOWN
>>> Decimal('3.1415926535') + Decimal('2.7182818285')
Decimal('5.85')


This gives the what I need.
But I can not use this Decimal data type.

In CDAT vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent the
latitude & logitude in map.

so I need float value in 2 precision without changing the value. Not in
string. Not in Decimal.



Any suggestions?





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>
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 15:17:33 2010
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:47:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 17:52, Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> wrote:
> This gives the what I need.
> But I can not use this Decimal data type.
>
> In CDAT vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent the
> latitude & logitude in map.
>
> so I need float value in 2 precision without changing the value. Not in
> string. Not in Decimal.
>
Well, if you can't use Decimal, you won't be able to
use Python, because a float won't work for you:

    >>> 80.23
    80.230000000000004

Any reason why you can't use Decimal, or a string,
or an integer?


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From arulalant at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 15:24:40 2010
From: arulalant at gmail.com (Arulalan T)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:54:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
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2010/8/24 Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com>

> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 17:52, Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This gives the what I need.
> > But I can not use this Decimal data type.
> >
> > In CDAT vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent the
> > latitude & logitude in map.
> >
> > so I need float value in 2 precision without changing the value. Not in
> > string. Not in Decimal.
> >
> Well, if you can't use Decimal, you won't be able to
> use Python, because a float won't work for you:
>
>    >>> 80.23
>    80.230000000000004
>
> Any reason why you can't use Decimal, or a string,
> or an integer?
>
>
In CDAT[1] vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent the
latitude & logitude in World map.
So I cant use Decimal or a string an integer. Only float.

Thanks to all.

[1] http://www2-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cdat/


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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 15:39:05 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:09:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
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Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> This gives the what I need.
> But I can not use this Decimal data type.
>
> In CDAT vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent the
> latitude & logitude in map.
>
> so I need float value in 2 precision without changing the value. Not in
> string. Not in Decimal.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?

The decimal module was designed to solve this problem. If the "VCS
module" is not using it, you have to fix it or check to see how it's
working without this problem.

[...]


-- 

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 15:56:08 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:26:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimvK=KnBh5ySzVFPvbhDN-760L8UUbXRAP-6T9U@mail.gmail.com>
	(Arulalan T.'s message of "Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:54:40 +0530")
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Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> writes:

[...]

> In CDAT[1] vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent
> the latitude & logitude in World map.  So I cant use Decimal or a
> string an integer. Only float.

[...]

I think that's a bug. 

The module should rely on duck typing rather than on concrete types.


-- 

From arulalant at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 15:59:12 2010
From: arulalant at gmail.com (Arulalan T)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:29:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
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2010/8/24 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>:
> Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>> In CDAT[1] vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent
>> the latitude & logitude in World map. ?So I cant use Decimal or a
>> string an integer. Only float.
>
> [...]
>
> I think that's a bug.
>
> The module should rely on duck typing rather than on concrete types.
>

I will try to write patch for this vcs of CDAT.

Thanks a lot guys.


>
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From renukaprasadb at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 16:07:01 2010
From: renukaprasadb at gmail.com (renuka prasad)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:37:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2010/8/24 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>:
> > Arulalan T <arulalant at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> In CDAT[1] vcs module supports only the 'float data' type to represent
> >> the latitude & logitude in World map.  So I cant use Decimal or a
> >> string an integer. Only float.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > I think that's a bug.
> >
> > The module should rely on duck typing rather than on concrete types.
> >
>
> I will try to write patch for this vcs of CDAT.
>
>
what is the reason for the previous problem? can you elaborate a bit.. What
my understanding is that the typical code and value , that is what we code
is not the same as its value

but would like to know more.. can you explain a bit?

> Thanks a lot guys.
>
>
> >
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>
>
>
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>
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>
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 18:06:58 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:36:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need Help : Setting Floating Precision Point as 2
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikHtMsvM=ABzmDbb_mhytEEf-mw-BnouDg2Qs0R@mail.gmail.com>
	(renuka prasad's message of "Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:37:01 +0530")
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	<AANLkTi=y3zxaBnb-idj0kYq9Wz4gRYmYfrkvwf5V4iVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fwy42or2.fsf@gmail.com>
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renuka prasad <renukaprasadb at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> what is the reason for the previous problem? can you elaborate a
> bit.. What my understanding is that the typical code and value , that
> is what we code is not the same as its value
>
> but would like to know more.. can you explain a bit?

[...]


It's generally bad form in Python to say, for example

   d.has_key(foo)

rather than

   foo in d

The former assumes the "has_key" method (commonly there when d is a
dictionary) and so doesn't work for other containers like lists, tuples,
sets.

In short, if you're going to do addition, all you should be worried
about is whether the operands support the addition protocol. You
shouldn't care about (and shouldn't definitely not check for) the types
of the operands which is what, from Arul's comment, the VCS module seems
to be doing.


-- 

From b.ghose at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 07:45:38 2010
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:15:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsRnjMzCu=DX7PQhTNtbkZKQDF=_Fw9KwPvJZ9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimyUfjHTCSuO6r=CKgA7eMZas1Bk7Y7xpHufC2W@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimfw6wvo6LXiLLVR=jS3=eNduwm0JWtR1sQ==ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinm4r1vP1AdMC-Gp+1GxYC+mhERY5767vwHnELM@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinsRnjMzCu=DX7PQhTNtbkZKQDF=_Fw9KwPvJZ9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=rPubUXSMP0EFEk_w1Nh1RX35HZkZf0HULJd8c@mail.gmail.com>

>> Without making any change whatsoever to multi() and multi_method(),
> the result of the following code :
>
> # Declare the existence of a multi method switcher
> encounter = multi(lambda x,y : (x["Species"], y["Species"]))
>
> @multi_method(encounter, ("Bunny","Lion"))
> def encounter(a1, a2):
> ? ?return "run-away"
>
> @multi_method(encounter, ("Lion","Bunny"))
> def encounter(a1, a2):
> ? ?return "eat"
>
> @multi_method(encounter, ("Bunny","Bunny"))
> def encounter(a1, a2):
> ? ?return "mate"
>
> @multi_method(encounter, ("Lion","Lion"))
> def encounter(a1, a2):
> ? ?return "fight"
>
> b1 = {"Species" : "Bunny", "Other" : "Stuff"}
> b2 = {"Species" : "Bunny", "Other" : "Stuff"}
> l1 = {"Species" : "Lion", "Other" : "Stuff"}
> l2 = {"Species" : "Lion", "Other" : "Stuff"}
>
> print encounter(b1, b2)
> print encounter(b1, l1)
> print encounter(l1, b1)
> print encounter(l1, l2)
>
> *is
> *
> mate
> run-away
> eat
> fight
>
> Is that consistent with the expectations ?

Fair enough. Good work, Dhananjay.

Regards,
BG

-- 
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b.ghose at gmail.com

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 20:01:20 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:31:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=rPubUXSMP0EFEk_w1Nh1RX35HZkZf0HULJd8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jFthSoVbOyVNWsr1HQsTYeJctjSQBxTLV5MEn@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimyUfjHTCSuO6r=CKgA7eMZas1Bk7Y7xpHufC2W@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimfw6wvo6LXiLLVR=jS3=eNduwm0JWtR1sQ==ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinm4r1vP1AdMC-Gp+1GxYC+mhERY5767vwHnELM@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinsRnjMzCu=DX7PQhTNtbkZKQDF=_Fw9KwPvJZ9@mail.gmail.com>
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Does anyone know of some speed performance comparison between

multi-methods* vs* if-elif-else* vs* class based polymorphism ?

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:

> >> Without making any change whatsoever to multi() and multi_method(),
> > the result of the following code :
> >
> > # Declare the existence of a multi method switcher
> > encounter = multi(lambda x,y : (x["Species"], y["Species"]))
> >
> > @multi_method(encounter, ("Bunny","Lion"))
> > def encounter(a1, a2):
> >    return "run-away"
> >
> > @multi_method(encounter, ("Lion","Bunny"))
> > def encounter(a1, a2):
> >    return "eat"
> >
> > @multi_method(encounter, ("Bunny","Bunny"))
> > def encounter(a1, a2):
> >    return "mate"
> >
> > @multi_method(encounter, ("Lion","Lion"))
> > def encounter(a1, a2):
> >    return "fight"
> >
> > b1 = {"Species" : "Bunny", "Other" : "Stuff"}
> > b2 = {"Species" : "Bunny", "Other" : "Stuff"}
> > l1 = {"Species" : "Lion", "Other" : "Stuff"}
> > l2 = {"Species" : "Lion", "Other" : "Stuff"}
> >
> > print encounter(b1, b2)
> > print encounter(b1, l1)
> > print encounter(l1, b1)
> > print encounter(l1, l2)
> >
> > *is
> > *
> > mate
> > run-away
> > eat
> > fight
> >
> > Is that consistent with the expectations ?
>
> Fair enough. Good work, Dhananjay.
>
> Regards,
> BG
>
> --
> Baishampayan Ghose
> b.ghose at gmail.com
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From admin.nitjece at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 11:40:49 2010
From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:10:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLuDmFoS_VBfgVABuzVW00fY9N9z4NR4oD7S_v@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am going to be in Gurgaon for a few months. Does anyone know if any Python
meetups happen in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida? ThoughtWorks is also willing to let
out space after office hours and in weekends, if people are enthusiastic to
form study groups or any tech meetups.

-- 
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From nitin.162 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 11:55:28 2010
From: nitin.162 at gmail.com (Nitin Das)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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Yes that would be the nice idea of arranging something in NCR.

--nitin

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Diptanu Choudhury
<admin.nitjece at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am going to be in Gurgaon for a few months. Does anyone know if any
> Python
> meetups happen in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida? ThoughtWorks is also willing to let
> out space after office hours and in weekends, if people are enthusiastic to
> form study groups or any tech meetups.
>
> --
> Thanks,
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> Consultant, ThoughtWorks India
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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 12:01:10 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:31:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Diptanu Choudhury
<admin.nitjece at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am going to be in Gurgaon for a few months. Does anyone know if any Python
> meetups happen in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida? ThoughtWorks is also willing to let
> out space after office hours and in weekends, if people are enthusiastic to
> form study groups or any tech meetups.

 There are few people interested in having a meetup. I am in Delhi and
we can plan for a meetup.

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 12:05:31 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:35:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes that would be the nice idea of arranging something in NCR.

 You want formal meetup with  projector and stuff or you want an
informal meetup? Dilli haat is always available for informal meetup :)

regards
Vivek

-- 
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From nitin.162 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 12:26:14 2010
From: nitin.162 at gmail.com (Nitin Das)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:56:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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I think initially informal meet ups are ok. What do you say ?

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes that would be the nice idea of arranging something in NCR.
>
>  You want formal meetup with  projector and stuff or you want an
> informal meetup? Dilli haat is always available for informal meetup :)
>
> regards
> Vivek
>
> --
> The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!
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From aditya.sahay at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 13:11:33 2010
From: aditya.sahay at gmail.com (Aditya Sahay)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:41:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 36, Issue 35
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I'll be happy to attend. Any other folks interested?

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> Hi,
>
> I am going to be in Gurgaon for a few months. Does anyone know if any Python
> meetups happen in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida? ThoughtWorks is also willing to let
> out space after office hours and in weekends, if people are enthusiastic to
> form study groups or any tech meetups.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Diptanu Choudhury
> Consultant, ThoughtWorks India
> Mobile - +91 9686602153
> Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:28 +0530
> From: Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTiksrxhRAZJdjKffmaFn2SObbey_YRnRoEsxt101 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Yes that would be the nice idea of arranging something in NCR.
>
> --nitin
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Diptanu Choudhury
> <admin.nitjece at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am going to be in Gurgaon for a few months. Does anyone know if any
>> Python
>> meetups happen in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida? ThoughtWorks is also willing to let
>> out space after office hours and in weekends, if people are enthusiastic
>> to
>> form study groups or any tech meetups.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Diptanu Choudhury
>> Consultant, ThoughtWorks India
>> Mobile - +91 9686602153
>> Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
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From admin.nitjece at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 14:25:00 2010
From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:55:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimD00oRa86Ak8QBasarkPYtgGiNm23CMA6hOkp=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikLuDmFoS_VBfgVABuzVW00fY9N9z4NR4oD7S_v@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTiksrxhRAZJdjKffmaFn2SObbey_YRnRoEsxt101@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinDTbHziU8EViAazsLKO-k3=54=hcWJuQdv7BGf@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimD00oRa86Ak8QBasarkPYtgGiNm23CMA6hOkp=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7NZRwiYR1e4E0njVyj4APc1K3SJ22Ze-4yvTA@mail.gmail.com>

I am game for informal meetups. That would give me an opportunity to see
Delhi as well :-) Let's decide on a topic and discuss during the meetup.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think initially informal meet ups are ok. What do you say ?
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes that would be the nice idea of arranging something in NCR.
> >
> >  You want formal meetup with  projector and stuff or you want an
> > informal meetup? Dilli haat is always available for informal meetup :)
> >
> > regards
> > Vivek
> >
> > --
> > The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!
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Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu

From pranny at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 14:46:09 2010
From: pranny at gmail.com (Pranav Prakash)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:16:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR? (Pranav)
Message-ID: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

It's great to know you guys in Gurgaon. I am in Gurgaon working with Oxylabs
Networks. We do have OASIS (*O*xylabs *A*dvancement of *S*tructured *I*dea *
S*essions) scheduled every Friday from 5pm to 6pm at our office. The talks
are not strictly Pythonic, but deals with a wide variety of topics in
software development. As of now, i am not aware of any Python meetups or
groups in Delhi/NCR. The Delhi GTUG took off a few weeks back, but it is
inactive as of now. Maybe we all can sit together and plan out something? I
will be available in Gurgaon from Sunday 29th Aug onwards. My contact number
is (+91) 971-724-6183.


> Hi,
>
> I am going to be in Gurgaon for a few months. Does anyone know if any
> Python
> meetups happen in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida? ThoughtWorks is also willing to let
> out space after office hours and in weekends, if people are enthusiastic to
> form study groups or any tech meetups.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Diptanu Choudhury
> Consultant, ThoughtWorks India
> Mobile - +91 9686602153
> Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:28 +0530
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
> Yes that would be the nice idea of arranging something in NCR.
>
> --nitin
>
>
-- 
*Pranav Prakash*

"This life is more than ordinary"

Twitter <http://twitter.com/pranavprakash> |
Blog<http://codecontrol.blogspot.com> |
Google <http://www.google.com/profiles/pranny>

From pranny at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 15:47:09 2010
From: pranny at gmail.com (Pranav Prakash)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:17:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYj51j__VUx9Z3CmMECrhhKHPR833LWNYFe8O6@mail.gmail.com>

Ya, even I am in for informal meetup. Let's decide a datetime.datetime and
cordinate.

-- 
*Pranav Prakash*

"This life is more than ordinary"

Twitter <http://twitter.com/pranavprakash> |
Blog<http://codecontrol.blogspot.com> |
Google <http://www.google.com/profiles/pranny>

From admin.nitjece at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 15:50:11 2010
From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:20:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR? (Pranav)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good to me. Let's plan up something really quick. However I would
prefer something during the weekends.

On Aug 27, 2010 6:16 PM, "Pranav Prakash" <pranny at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> It's great to know you guys in Gurgaon. I am in Gurgaon working with
Oxylabs
> Networks. We do have OASIS (*O*xylabs *A*dvancement of *S*tructured *I*dea
*
> S*essions) scheduled every Friday from 5pm to 6pm at our office. The talks
> are not strictly Pythonic, but deals with a wide variety of topics in
> software development. As of now, i am not aware of any Python meetups or
> groups in Delhi/NCR. The Delhi GTUG took off a few weeks back, but it is
> inactive as of now. Maybe we all can sit together and plan out something?
I
> will be available in Gurgaon from Sunday 29th Aug onwards. My contact
number
> is (+91) 971-724-6183.
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am going to be in Gurgaon for a few months. Does anyone know if any
>> Python
>> meetups happen in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida? ThoughtWorks is also willing to
let
>> out space after office hours and in weekends, if people are enthusiastic
to
>> form study groups or any tech meetups.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Diptanu Choudhury
>> Consultant, ThoughtWorks India
>> Mobile - +91 9686602153
>> Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com>
>> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
>> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:28 +0530
>> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
>> Yes that would be the nice idea of arranging something in NCR.
>>
>> --nitin
>>
>>
> --
> *Pranav Prakash*
>
> "This life is more than ordinary"
>
> Twitter <http://twitter.com/pranavprakash> |
> Blog<http://codecontrol.blogspot.com> |
> Google <http://www.google.com/profiles/pranny>
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

From gora at srijan.in  Fri Aug 27 16:20:17 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:50:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100827195017.20e3d93c@ibis>

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:20:11 +0530
Diptanu Choudhury <admin.nitjece at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds good to me. Let's plan up something really quick. However
> I would prefer something during the weekends.
[...]

I would like to be there, too. As it is already Fri. evening, and
weekends are usually good for most people, could we plan for next
weekend, i.e., the 4th or the 5th.

I am willing to meet up anywhere in NCR, but can offer two
possibilities:
* JNU
* The premises of a company in Gurgaon, though I would have to check
  if these are available on Sun. Sat. should be OK. The advantage
  here is that it is right across the street from Howzzat, the
  micro-brewery in Gurgaon. Howzzat can also be a potential meeting
  place, though it is *loud*.

Do we want to set about fixing a rough agenda, or should we just
wing it?

Regards,
Gora

From nitin.162 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 17:00:06 2010
From: nitin.162 at gmail.com (Nitin Das)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:30:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR? (Pranav)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimbhGJccLdKD_oqA_R82i88ki3YJgFxMTgGniqi@mail.gmail.com>

I think 5th of Sept (sunday) would be fine ...!! Lets make this as a simple
get together so that we would know each other quite well..What do u say
guy..??

My number is +91-9818131065.

--Nitin

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Diptanu Choudhury
<admin.nitjece at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sounds good to me. Let's plan up something really quick. However I would
> prefer something during the weekends.
>
> On Aug 27, 2010 6:16 PM, "Pranav Prakash" <pranny at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey All,
> >
> > It's great to know you guys in Gurgaon. I am in Gurgaon working with
> Oxylabs
> > Networks. We do have OASIS (*O*xylabs *A*dvancement of *S*tructured
> *I*dea
> *
> > S*essions) scheduled every Friday from 5pm to 6pm at our office. The
> talks
> > are not strictly Pythonic, but deals with a wide variety of topics in
> > software development. As of now, i am not aware of any Python meetups or
> > groups in Delhi/NCR. The Delhi GTUG took off a few weeks back, but it is
> > inactive as of now. Maybe we all can sit together and plan out something?
> I
> > will be available in Gurgaon from Sunday 29th Aug onwards. My contact
> number
> > is (+91) 971-724-6183.
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am going to be in Gurgaon for a few months. Does anyone know if any
> >> Python
> >> meetups happen in Delhi/Gurgaon/Noida? ThoughtWorks is also willing to
> let
> >> out space after office hours and in weekends, if people are enthusiastic
> to
> >> form study groups or any tech meetups.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >> Diptanu Choudhury
> >> Consultant, ThoughtWorks India
> >> Mobile - +91 9686602153
> >> Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com>
> >> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> >> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:28 +0530
> >> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
> >> Yes that would be the nice idea of arranging something in NCR.
> >>
> >> --nitin
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > *Pranav Prakash*
> >
> > "This life is more than ordinary"
> >
> > Twitter <http://twitter.com/pranavprakash> |
> > Blog<http://codecontrol.blogspot.com> |
> > Google <http://www.google.com/profiles/pranny>
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 17:19:37 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:49:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR? (Pranav)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimbhGJccLdKD_oqA_R82i88ki3YJgFxMTgGniqi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimbhGJccLdKD_oqA_R82i88ki3YJgFxMTgGniqi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUew_8CzUEkmh2XHAF2FpBOPWxqWvbmc6BZgVb@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think 5th of Sept (sunday) would be fine ...!! Lets make this as a simple
> get together so that we would know each other quite well..What do u say
> guy..??
>
> My number is +91-9818131065.

Lets meetup in dilli hat at 5 pm. I am available on 9868512000.

regards
VIvek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 17:30:39 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:00:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <20100827195017.20e3d93c@ibis>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20100827195017.20e3d93c@ibis>
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:

>
> I am willing to meet up anywhere in NCR, but can offer two
> possibilities:
> * JNU
> * The premises of a company in Gurgaon, though I would have to check
> ?if these are available on Sun. Sat. should be OK. The advantage
> ?here is that it is right across the street from Howzzat, the
> ?micro-brewery in Gurgaon. Howzzat can also be a potential meeting
> ?place, though it is *loud*.

 Gurgaon is far far...

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From gora at srijan.in  Sun Aug 29 17:59:23 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:29:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYL1h9JKzLozdM3epG0d3o2=dbtzv7xJ4app6z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100827195017.20e3d93c@ibis>
	<AANLkTimYL1h9JKzLozdM3epG0d3o2=dbtzv7xJ4app6z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100829212923.4fda7061@ibis>

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:00:39 +0530
Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>  Gurgaon is far far...
[...]

Yes, but Howzzat beer is cold, cold, and good, good. Worth the
journey.

Dilli Haat is fine with me, but might not be the best of venues if
it is raining. In case of rain, there are also no nearby places to
retreat to. Further, as the place is pretty large, specifying an
exact meeting place to people new to Delhi becomes difficult.

In any case, let us fix the time for the meet at 5pm, Sun., Sep. the
5th. To facilitate things, I have set up an online poll at
http://www.snappoll.com/poll/339555.php , the first such site that
I came across on Google. Could we set a date of Wed., 1st Sep., for
agreeing on a venue?

Regards,
Gora

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Sun Aug 29 18:16:26 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:46:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <20100829212923.4fda7061@ibis>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100827195017.20e3d93c@ibis>
	<AANLkTimYL1h9JKzLozdM3epG0d3o2=dbtzv7xJ4app6z@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100829212923.4fda7061@ibis>
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:00:39 +0530
> Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> ?Gurgaon is far far...
> [...]
>
> Yes, but Howzzat beer is cold, cold, and good, good. Worth the
> journey.
>
 That is a personal taste. I dont drink beer, so it doesnt matter even
if he is serving the best beer in the whole world. :)


regards
Vivek
-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From prem251 at yahoo.co.in  Sun Aug 29 18:13:36 2010
From: prem251 at yahoo.co.in (prem)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:43:36 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python consutlant job
Message-ID: <547763.85095.qm@web95409.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Dear all,
Thales Software India, Chennai is currently looking for a skilled python programmer on a 4-6 months contract. If you have any additional skills like and you are looking for a permanent position, we can look into that too.
The job is interesting and the current project is completely a python based application.
Salary is not a concern for the right candidate. 
so, if you are in Chennai or if you are willing to relocate to Chennai , please drop an email to senthil.kumaran at india.thalesgroup.com.
I am sorry if the post is not as per the regulations.

All the best.




From sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com  Mon Aug 30 06:02:07 2010
From: sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com (Mehndi, Sibtey)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:32:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikZ=YSku99F+WvMjYzX5Sox3DDA_at82v-ozZiB@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-_rXgz_6OF7tKTgJPttmGVxfXFvY4Nd+cEy8O@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100827195017.20e3d93c@ibis>
	<AANLkTimYL1h9JKzLozdM3epG0d3o2=dbtzv7xJ4app6z@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100829212923.4fda7061@ibis>
	<AANLkTikZ=YSku99F+WvMjYzX5Sox3DDA_at82v-ozZiB@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ACF694E618161842AD0B1D444EFF08D703C4F08151@GCPWINGGN2EVS11.IND.CORP.AD>


I am also interested but the preferred venue is Delhi.

Regards,
Sibtey Mehdi

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:00:39 +0530
> Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>>  Gurgaon is far far...
> [...]
>
> Yes, but Howzzat beer is cold, cold, and good, good. Worth the
> journey.
>
 That is a personal taste. I dont drink beer, so it doesnt matter even
if he is serving the best beer in the whole world. :)


regards
Vivek
--
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!
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From gora at srijan.in  Mon Aug 30 20:45:34 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:15:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:32:07 +0530
"Mehndi, Sibtey" <sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com> wrote:

> 
> I am also interested but the preferred venue is Delhi.
[...]

People! I am interested in this meetup, but as of the moment,
there is exactly one vote for each of the venues.

I am seriously tired of this nonsense of trying to organise
meetings, where all and sundry feel free to mouth off, but nobody
can be bothered to even click on a link to vote.

No offence to anybody, but if we do not have, say 10 votes on the
link posted earlier, http://www.snappoll.com/poll/339555.php , by
Wed., I am personally out of it. Do not mean to chepo anybody, or
to imply that *you* should follow my rules, but personally I would
have had enough by then. By all means feel free to organise
otherwise.

Regards,
Gora

From joepaulp at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 02:19:59 2010
From: joepaulp at gmail.com (Joe Paul)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:19:59 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Financial domain job at Kochi
Message-ID: <AANLkTikEBDru3zzOxtZrjB2ujSujFaJQ159qY8Qefgpk@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,



I am in the process of setting up something in a very small scale for
analytics in equity side (like stock market, trading etc ) and wanted to see
whether there would be any one interested in taking up some thing like that.
The job will be based from Kochi, Kerala and it is currently in the basic
design phase. My experience all have been in data analysis for a fund
management company in US and now am thinking of setting up something of my
own. I have very little experience in programming and looking for some one
who can bring in that portion of the skillset to complement my experience in
data analysis.



Some of the basics

- person should be self motivated and should have entrepreneurial interest,
should be a go getter

- since this is not an established company or anything, it has its own risks

- rare opportunity to run your own shop

- should be able to see a project from inception to completion



More details/responsibilities will be based on skill/experience.



This is what I have in mind as a basic framework



-> A web UI + postgresql for the db (in some case sqlite or berkeleydb)

-> R/Splus (for most work in statistics), matlab, excel and numpy/scipy
depending on the case and strength

-> Python, to glue everything together


You don't need to know R/Matlab/numpy etc, if you know that it will be
great, but you will be in charge of python, frameworks, UI etc and also
gluing some of the utilities in C++ with python, things like that.


Idea here is to create tools and environment where we can use all these
tools together to do research work.



Again, couple of absolutes, person should be interested in financial domain,
should be interested to work from Kochi (some flexibility can be done),
should have the risk profile for such a job, should have the motivation to
run his/her own shop etc



If anyone is interested please send me an email with some
background/resume/what is your motivation etc to

joepaulp at gmail dot com. Also your expectation in terms of work and pay.



If you need to talk and get a feel of things, I am planning to come to BLR
for PyCon conference and probably we can chit chat and see if there is any
common interest. Please email me so I know some idea about who is
interested.



Thanks all for your contributions here.

Thanks

Joe paul

From nitin.162 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 04:24:30 2010
From: nitin.162 at gmail.com (Nitin Das)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:54:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <20100831001534.4f5a8a36@ibis>
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I have voted for dilli haat.

--nitin

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:32:07 +0530
> "Mehndi, Sibtey" <sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I am also interested but the preferred venue is Delhi.
> [...]
>
> People! I am interested in this meetup, but as of the moment,
> there is exactly one vote for each of the venues.
>
> I am seriously tired of this nonsense of trying to organise
> meetings, where all and sundry feel free to mouth off, but nobody
> can be bothered to even click on a link to vote.
>
> No offence to anybody, but if we do not have, say 10 votes on the
> link posted earlier, http://www.snappoll.com/poll/339555.php , by
> Wed., I am personally out of it. Do not mean to chepo anybody, or
> to imply that *you* should follow my rules, but personally I would
> have had enough by then. By all means feel free to organise
> otherwise.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From gora at srijan.in  Tue Aug 31 07:02:45 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:32:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:15:34 +0530
Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
[...]
> I am seriously tired of this nonsense of trying to organise
> meetings, where all and sundry feel free to mouth off, but nobody
> can be bothered to even click on a link to vote.
[...]

To follow up to myself: I apologise for the tone of this message. I
was a little tired last night, and it came across much harsher than
I had intended. I would like to clarify that the bit about "mouthing
off" was not directed at anyone in particular.

Please do accept my apologies, and take the time to make your
preference on the venue known:
http://www.snappoll.com/poll/339555.php

Thanks.

Regards,
Gora

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 07:23:57 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:53:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
enues.
>
> I am seriously tired of this nonsense of trying to organise
> meetings, where all and sundry feel free to mouth off, but nobody
> can be bothered to even click on a link to vote.
>

Chill.. you always havee the option of not organizing the meeting :)

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Aug 31 10:20:52 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:50:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 10:32 +0530, Gora Mohanty wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:15:34 +0530
> Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
> [...]
> > I am seriously tired of this nonsense of trying to organise
> > meetings, where all and sundry feel free to mouth off, but nobody
> > can be bothered to even click on a link to vote.
> [...]
> 
> To follow up to myself: I apologise for the tone of this message. I
> was a little tired last night, and it came across much harsher than
> I had intended. I would like to clarify that the bit about "mouthing
> off" was not directed at anyone in particular.
> 
> 

please hesitate before posting - of course you have the right to hold as
many polls as you want for as many causes as you want, and also the
right to campaign for the said polls. But others have the equal right
not to vote on the polls - either because they cannot be bothered, or
because they do not think things like this can be decided by a poll. I
have organised and participated in very many bofs in many cities of
India - some with attendance of just 2 people and others with a pretty
big attendance and the most successful way of doing this is when the
person who first proposes it also fixes a venue and announces it - then
those who can come come. Forming an organising committee for a bof and
holding elections etc does not work.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 10:56:00 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:26:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <1283242852.2150.957.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's
	message of "Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:50:52 +0530")
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On Tue, Aug 31 2010, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

[...]

> the most successful way of doing this is when the person who first
> proposes it also fixes a venue and announces it - then those who can
> come come.

[...]

(Benevolent) dictatorship rather than a (non-working) democracy. +1



-- 

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Aug 31 11:07:26 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:37:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 14:26 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> [...]
> 
> > the most successful way of doing this is when the person who first
> > proposes it also fixes a venue and announces it - then those who can
> > come come.
> 
> [...]
> 
> (Benevolent) dictatorship rather than a (non-working) democracy. +1 

I forgot to add, a wiki is a good place to do this as people can add
their names
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From nitin.162 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 12:06:00 2010
From: nitin.162 at gmail.com (Nitin Das)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:36:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <1283245646.2150.962.camel@localhost>
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after a long mail thread we have decided exactly the final location of
meetup.? Lets make it final the venue and time..!
I am interested at Dilli haat 5 pm 5th sep (sunday).

--nitin

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 14:26 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > the most successful way of doing this is when the person who first
> > > proposes it also fixes a venue and announces it - then those who can
> > > come come.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > (Benevolent) dictatorship rather than a (non-working) democracy. +1
>
> I forgot to add, a wiki is a good place to do this as people can add
> their names
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From nitin.162 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 12:06:34 2010
From: nitin.162 at gmail.com (Nitin Das)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:36:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
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sorry we have not decided the exact venue and time till now.

-nitin

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Nitin Das <nitin.162 at gmail.com> wrote:

> after a long mail thread we have decided exactly the final location of
> meetup.? Lets make it final the venue and time..!
> I am interested at Dilli haat 5 pm 5th sep (sunday).
>
> --nitin
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 14:26 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > > the most successful way of doing this is when the person who first
>> > > proposes it also fixes a venue and announces it - then those who can
>> > > come come.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > (Benevolent) dictatorship rather than a (non-working) democracy. +1
>>
>> I forgot to add, a wiki is a good place to do this as people can add
>> their names
>> --
>> regards
>> Kenneth Gonsalves
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>

From punchagan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 14:26:14 2010
From: punchagan at gmail.com (Puneeth Chaganti)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:56:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-Post][Jobs] Project positions open at IIT Bombay
Message-ID: <4C7CF4E6.8050905@gmail.com>

1 Announcement
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   Project positions are open at IIT Bombay for an MHRD funded project,
   Free and Open source Software for Science and Engineering Education
   (FOSSEE).

   You may obtain further info about the project from the project site:

             [http://fossee.in]

2 Keywords
~~~~~~~~~~~

   Python, Science, Engineering, Education, Scientific computing,
   IIT-B, FOSS Awareness, Instruction Design, Documentation, Teaching,
   Graphic Design, Editing, Copy writing, SciPy, NumPy, Sage.


3 Project Description
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   The current major activities of the team are -
   - Course design and content generation for courses on Python
     (specifically Python for Scientific Computing), LaTeX, Version
     Control Systems and other FOSS tools. This involves applying the
     concepts of Instruction Design to design courses and generation of
     a significant amount of documentation in the form of written
     material, presentations, spoken tutorials and video lectures.

   - Generation of supplementary material in the form of code and
     documentation for Engineering and Science courses being taught at
     IIT-Bombay.

   - Delivery of workshops and courses at various levels and locations
     across the country on the topics mentioned in content generation.

   - Co-ordination and Organization of conferences like SciPy.in and
     Sage Days.

   - Creating a customized distribution that has all the relevant
     packages to use Python for scientific computing.

   - We also intend to work and improve upon a tiny implementation of
     Python to make it suitable to be used on a Low Cost Access Device,
     being developed by another team from IIT-Bombay.

4 Open Positions & Description
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   + Content Generators
   + Writers/Editors
   + Event Manager
   + Project Manager
   + Instructional Designer
   + Graphic Designer
   + tiny Python champion

4.1 Content Generators
=======================


     + Qualifications

       Educational Qualifications:
       - Preferably a Bachelors degree in Engineering OR
       - Post Graduate degree in Science

       Applicants are expected to possess the following
       qualities/skills:
       - Willingness to learn
       - Good programming skills
       - Knowledge of Python programming language
       - Passion for FOSS
       - Experience with using FOSS
       - Good math and science skills

       One or more of the following skills would be a plus:
       - Knowledge of or experience in Instructional Design and/or
         content generation.
       - Experience of working on a FOSS project.
       - Experience with customizing Linux distributions.

     + Remuneration
       The pay will be in the range Rs. 10000 to 30000 depending on the
       qualifications and experience.  For extra-ordinary people the
       upper limit is flexible.


4.2 Writers/Editors
====================


     + Qualifications

       Educational Qualifications:
       - A Bachelors degree, preferably in English

       Applicants are expected to possess the following
       qualities/skills:
       - Demonstrated skill and Experience of writing technical
         documents.
       - Should be able to write/produce an error free, high quality
         document (with instruction design principles applied) of about
         1200-1500 words in a day.
       - Good communication skills

       One or more of the following skills would be a plus:
       - Knowledge of LaTeX or ReST.
       - Use of version control systems.
       - Knowledge of Instruction Design
       - Experience with using FOSS and a passion for FOSS.

     + Remuneration
       The pay will be in the range Rs. 10000 to 30000 depending on the
       qualifications and experience.  For extra-ordinary people the
       upper limit is flexible.



4.3 Event Manager
==================


     + Qualifications

       Educational Qualifications:
       - At least a 3 year diploma or a Bachelors degree

       Applicants are expected to possess the following
       qualities/skills:
       - Experience in organizing, co-ordinating and conducting events
         involving anything between 50 to 300 participants.
       - Good communication skills

       One or more of the following skills would be a plus:
       - Experience of organizing a FOSS event.
       - Experience with using FOSS.
       - Passion for FOSS.

     + Remuneration
       The pay will be in the range Rs. 10000 to 30000 depending on the
       qualifications and experience.  For extra-ordinary people the
       upper limit is flexible.

4.4 Project Manager
====================


     + Qualifications

       Educational Qualifications:
       - At least a Bachelors/Masters degree and relevant experience.

       Applicants are expected to possess the following
       qualities/skills:
       - Experience in managing a team of 10-12 people
       - Good programming skills
       - Good communication skills
       - Passion for FOSS
       - Familiarity with FOSS culture and development

       One or more of the following skills would be a plus:
       - Knowledge of Python programming language
       - Experience in managing a team contributing to FOSS

     + Remuneration
       The pay will be in the range Rs. 30000 to 60000 depending on the
       qualifications and experience.  For extra-ordinary people the
       upper limit is flexible.

4.5 Instructional Designer
===========================


     + Qualifications

       Educational Qualifications:
       - A bachelors/masters degree

       Applicants are expected to possess the following
       qualities/skills:
       - A good amount of experience in Instruction Design
       - Good communication skills

       One or more of the following skills would be a plus:
       - Knowledge of and Passion for FOSS.
       - Experience with designing content for FOSS courses.

     + Remuneration
       The pay will be in the range Rs. 10000 to 30000 depending on the
       qualifications and experience.  For extra-ordinary people the
       upper limit is flexible.

4.6 Graphic Designer
=====================


     + Qualifications

       Educational Qualifications:
       - At least a 3 year diploma or a bachelors degree in any field

       Applicants are expected to possess the following
       qualities/skills:
       - Good sense of aesthetics, color and design
       - Excellent design skills
       - Good communication skills
       - Experience in designing web-sites, posters, logos, t-shirts,
         and other promotional material.

       One or more of the following skills would be a plus:
       - Experience with using FOSS.
       - Passion for FOSS.

     + Remuneration
       The pay will be in the range Rs. 10000 to 30000 depending on the
       qualifications and experience.  For extra-ordinary people the
       upper limit is flexible.

4.7 tiny Python champion
=========================


     + Qualifications

       Educational Qualifications:
       - Preferably a Bachelors degree or higher

       Applicants are expected to possess the following
       qualities/skills:
       - Good programming skills
       - Willingness to learn
       - Knowledge of Python programming language
       - Experience with micro-controller/processor programming
       - Passion for FOSS
       - Experience with using FOSS

       One or more of the following skills would be a plus:
       - Knowledge of Python internals
       - Experience of working on a FOSS project.

     + Remuneration
       The pay will be in the range Rs. 10000 to 30000 depending on the
       qualifications and experience.  For extra-ordinary people the
       upper limit is flexible.

5 Why you should apply
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   - You get paid to improve and write FOSS.
   - You get to do really meaningful work -- your work will influence
     generations of future students all over India and potentially
     elsewhere.
   - You get to work on some of the most important projects that will
     influence the future of science and engineering.
   - You get to meet and work with the authors of various important
     packages like Numpy, Scipy, matplotlib, Mayavi and Sage.
   - You will be at IIT Bombay and will have best of both worlds --
     good pay and an academic environment.



6 How to Apply
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   The positions are for a maximum duration of 2 years. The initial
   appointment will be for a period of 3 months which will be extended
   based on performance.

   Applicants may email their resumes along with a one page
   writeup on why they think they are well suited for the project to:

            jobs[at]fossee.in

--
Puneeth Chaganti
FOSSEE, IIT-Bombay

From gora at srijan.in  Tue Aug 31 18:22:25 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:52:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin2Z6arPARXaMtLMB-b3iJekTxk6gs-mxumn7Ar@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTimYL1h9JKzLozdM3epG0d3o2=dbtzv7xJ4app6z@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100829212923.4fda7061@ibis>
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	<20100831001534.4f5a8a36@ibis> <20100831103245.7f255de1@ibis>
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	<AANLkTin2Z6arPARXaMtLMB-b3iJekTxk6gs-mxumn7Ar@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100831215225.1c9bc602@ibis>

Hi,

  Just so that people know, given that the expressed interest in
any one FOSS-related topic, and on any one mailing list, has been
rather lukewarm, I have also posted a notice of the proposed meeting
to the ILUG-Delhi list, and the Apache Solr user list. The objective
was to combine interest in what are hopefully related areas of
interest, and increase attendance. Will post an announcement Wed.
night, depending on the popularly-chosen venue.

  People are, of course, free to meet elsewhere, and also free to
pontificate on the errors of my ways, and the tragedies of my
misspent youth.

Regards,
Gora

 

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 18:25:15 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:55:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <20100831215225.1c9bc602@ibis>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20100827195017.20e3d93c@ibis>
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	<AANLkTin2Z6arPARXaMtLMB-b3iJekTxk6gs-mxumn7Ar@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100831215225.1c9bc602@ibis>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=BmJ0H2Kw3J-0ccEKkQcH=4VXB9NJD3LYJ14cA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ?Just so that people know, given that the expressed interest in
> any one FOSS-related topic, and on any one mailing list, has been
> rather lukewarm, I have also posted a notice of the proposed meeting
> to the ILUG-Delhi list, and the Apache Solr user list. The objective
> was to combine interest in what are hopefully related areas of
> interest, and increase attendance. Will post an announcement Wed.
> night, depending on the popularly-chosen venue.

 Combined meet o_o, looks like this one has to be missed.

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From gora at srijan.in  Tue Aug 31 18:42:03 2010
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:12:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Meetups in NCR?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=BmJ0H2Kw3J-0ccEKkQcH=4VXB9NJD3LYJ14cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinO7Ua5i9YSKqEufDxapD7CmsZSb_ttsDOX5_XV@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1283242852.2150.957.camel@localhost> <87fwxvgnz3.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1283245646.2150.962.camel@localhost>
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	<20100831215225.1c9bc602@ibis>
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Message-ID: <20100831221203.66ecb34a@ibis>

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:55:15 +0530
Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>  Combined meet o_o, looks like this one has to be missed.
[...]

Like I said, please *do* feel free to have a top-S3KR1T,
Pythonistas-only, invitation-required, meeting.

Regards,
Gora