From agoldgod at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 10:09:14 2008
From: agoldgod at gmail.com (goldgod a)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:39:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Tramline implementation
Message-ID: <105c9ccc0809010109o18f1919ax3fc504cc22bea5b@mail.gmail.com>

hi,
    Any body used tramline python library. Any idea to implement it
separately like uploading files with python-cgi with out the plone/zope
support.

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From heshan.suri at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 07:15:58 2008
From: heshan.suri at gmail.com (Heshan Suriyaarachchi)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:45:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Module question
Message-ID: <12e5d0d90809012215k3f946f5fn14ee7ab74fdcd10a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
    One of my scripts returns a module like below.
<module 'annotationScript' from
'/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py'>
     What I need to do is to extract the full path of the location of the
script as string. i.e. '/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py' .
Since I am dynamically loading the script, it's name and full path may vary.
Can you suggest me a mechanism to extract the full path from the above data
structure.
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Heshan Suriyaarachchi

http://heshans.blogspot.com/
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From abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 07:21:47 2008
From: abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com (Abhinav Sarkar)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:51:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Module question
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Heshan Suriyaarachchi wrote:
> Hi,
>     One of my scripts returns a module like below.
> <module 'annotationScript' from 
> '/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py'>
>      What I need to do is to extract the full path of the location of 
> the script as string. i.e. 
> '/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py' . Since I am 
> dynamically loading the script, it's name and full path may vary. Can 
> you suggest me a mechanism to extract the full path from the above 
> data structure.
> -- 
> Regards,
> Heshan Suriyaarachchi
>
> http://heshans.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Hi,
__path__ attribute of module contains the path of file.
 >>> import lastfm
 >>> lastfm.__path__
['c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\lastfm-0.1-py2.5.egg\\lastfm']

I hope it helps.
Cheers,

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From heshan.suri at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 07:31:55 2008
From: heshan.suri at gmail.com (Heshan Suriyaarachchi)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:01:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Module question
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Hi,
    What I need to do is somehow extract the 4th item of the below data
structre. i.e. the full path

<module 'annotationScript' from
'/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py'>

Hi,
> __path__ attribute of module contains the path of file.
> >>> import lastfm
> >>> lastfm.__path__
> ['c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\lastfm-0.1-py2.5.egg\\lastfm']
>
> I hope it helps.
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Abhinav Sarkar
> Fair Isaac India
>
>
>

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From abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 07:33:43 2008
From: abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com (abhinav sarkar)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:03:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Module question
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Abhinav Sarkar <abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com>wrote:

> Heshan Suriyaarachchi wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>    One of my scripts returns a module like below.
>> <module 'annotationScript' from
>> '/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py'>
>>     What I need to do is to extract the full path of the location of the
>> script as string. i.e. '/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py' .
>> Since I am dynamically loading the script, it's name and full path may vary.
>> Can you suggest me a mechanism to extract the full path from the above data
>> structure.
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Heshan Suriyaarachchi
>>
>> http://heshans.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
> Hi,
> __path__ attribute of module contains the path of file.
> >>> import lastfm
> >>> lastfm.__path__
> ['c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\lastfm-0.1-py2.5.egg\\lastfm']
>
> I hope it helps.
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Abhinav Sarkar
> Fair Isaac India
>
> Mobile:+91-9731596137
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>
>
Hi,
I was mistaken in last reply. __path__ attribute exists only for packages.
You should use __file__ attribute. It works for packages and modules too.

>>> import lastfm
>>> from lastfm import api
>>> api.__file__
'c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\lastfm-0.1-py2.5.egg\\lastfm\\api.pyc'
>>> lastfm.__file__
'c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\lastfm-0.1-py2.5.egg\\lastfm\\__init__.pyc'


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From heshan.suri at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 08:22:35 2008
From: heshan.suri at gmail.com (Heshan Suriyaarachchi)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:52:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Module question
In-Reply-To: <db10f4b60809012233t5cd7b5e5iefb32167f4c8fc39@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Abhinav,
       I managed to overcome the problem.
Thanx :)

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:03 AM, abhinav sarkar <abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Abhinav Sarkar <abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Heshan Suriyaarachchi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>    One of my scripts returns a module like below.
>>> <module 'annotationScript' from
>>> '/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py'>
>>>     What I need to do is to extract the full path of the location of the
>>> script as string. i.e. '/home/heshan/repo/scripts/annotationScript.py' .
>>> Since I am dynamically loading the script, it's name and full path may vary.
>>> Can you suggest me a mechanism to extract the full path from the above data
>>> structure.
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Heshan Suriyaarachchi
>>>
>>> http://heshans.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>> Hi,
>> __path__ attribute of module contains the path of file.
>> >>> import lastfm
>> >>> lastfm.__path__
>> ['c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\lastfm-0.1-py2.5.egg\\lastfm']
>>
>> I hope it helps.
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --
>> Abhinav Sarkar
>> Fair Isaac India
>>
>> Mobile:+91-9731596137
>> Office: +91-8041371605
>>
>> Web: http://claimid.com/abhin4v
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/abhin4v
>> ---------
>> The world is a book, those who do not travel read only one page.
>>
>>
> Hi,
> I was mistaken in last reply. __path__ attribute exists only for packages.
> You should use __file__ attribute. It works for packages and modules too.
>
> >>> import lastfm
> >>> from lastfm import api
> >>> api.__file__
> 'c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\lastfm-0.1-py2.5.egg\\lastfm\\api.pyc'
> >>> lastfm.__file__
>
> 'c:\\python25\\lib\\site-packages\\lastfm-0.1-py2.5.egg\\lastfm\\__init__.pyc'
>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Abhinav Sarkar
> Fair Isaac India
>
> Mobile:+91-9731596137
> Office: +91-8041371605
>
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 15:16:36 2008
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:46:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] =?utf-8?b?4oCYQSBCeXRlIG9mIFB5dGhvbuKAmSB1cGRhdGVk?=
	=?utf-8?q?_for_Python_3=2E0?=
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Hi all,
Swaroop just released the latest version of his book "A Byte of
Python", the new version is for Python 3.0.
Read the post at http://www.swaroopch.com/blog/book-updated-for-python-3000/

The book can be found at http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python

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From dpatel_07 at rediffmail.com  Sat Sep  6 14:03:15 2008
From: dpatel_07 at rediffmail.com (Deepak Patel)
Date: 6 Sep 2008 12:03:15 -0000
Subject: [BangPypers] Re :Use of module (Include file) in Python???
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Hello,I am new to Python and need some help. Can someone please tell me whether I can use the Python Module like include file? Is there a way to use the "include" file in Python? If I try to include a file with "# include", that line is treated as comment. What is the directive to include the include file in Python?I have created a Python prgram, say RegDesc.py for my registers class definitions, for example, called as:class Reg:with all the register methods, like ReadReg(), WriteReg() etc.In the same file, I have description of various registers, like:ConfigReg = Reg(.....).Now I want to treat my RegDesc.py as include file to my other programs and use the Reg class methods in my other programs. How can I do this? Do I need to use module?Thanks,Deepak
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From venkatasubramanian at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 14:45:55 2008
From: venkatasubramanian at gmail.com (venkata subramanian)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:45:55 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Re :Use of module (Include file) in Python???
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Hi Deepak,
 You can do this.
 It is using the keyword called import.

 The basic syntax is
import <your_module_name_here>

 example: import RegDesc

 then, you can do RegDesc.foo(bar)

 My friend had the same problem. He read the tutorial till
 one point and missed the part where they talk about modules
 and packages. So, go ahead and make sure you covered those topics.

 Like other languages, your module should be in a 'path' called pythonpath.
 you can do import sys and then type sys.path to know the path.

 All the modules in your current directory can be imported (well,
 without going into the nittie gritties of it).



On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Deepak Patel <dpatel_07 at rediffmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am new to Python and need some help.
>
> Can someone please tell me whether I can use the Python Module like include
> file?
>
> Is there a way to use the "include" file in Python?
>
> If I try to include a file with "# include", that line is treated as
> comment.
>
> What is the directive to include the include file in Python?
>
> I have created a Python prgram, say RegDesc.py for my registers class
> definitions, for example, called as:class Reg:with all the register methods,
> like ReadReg(), WriteReg() etc.
>
> In the same file, I have description of various registers, like:ConfigReg =
> Reg(.....).
>
> Now I want to treat my RegDesc.py as include file to my other programs and
> use the Reg class methods in my other programs.
>
> How can I do this? Do I need to use module?
>
> Thanks,
> Deepak
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From elsen.david08 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 21:44:17 2008
From: elsen.david08 at gmail.com (David Elsen)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:44:17 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Re :Use of module (Include file) in Python???
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Hi Venkata,
Thanks.
I could do this.
Import my first file as module and then using all  my methods
<modulename>.<methodname> format, but I would like to include my
<modulename> file and want to use just as <methodname> not as
<modulename>.<methodname>.
Hope I am clear.
Thanks,
Deepak

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:45 AM, venkata subramanian <
venkatasubramanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Deepak,
>  You can do this.
>  It is using the keyword called import.
>
>  The basic syntax is
> import <your_module_name_here>
>
>  example: import RegDesc
>
>  then, you can do RegDesc.foo(bar)
>
>  My friend had the same problem. He read the tutorial till
>  one point and missed the part where they talk about modules
>  and packages. So, go ahead and make sure you covered those topics.
>
>  Like other languages, your module should be in a 'path' called pythonpath.
>  you can do import sys and then type sys.path to know the path.
>
>  All the modules in your current directory can be imported (well,
>  without going into the nittie gritties of it).
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Deepak Patel <dpatel_07 at rediffmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am new to Python and need some help.
> >
> > Can someone please tell me whether I can use the Python Module like
> include
> > file?
> >
> > Is there a way to use the "include" file in Python?
> >
> > If I try to include a file with "# include", that line is treated as
> > comment.
> >
> > What is the directive to include the include file in Python?
> >
> > I have created a Python prgram, say RegDesc.py for my registers class
> > definitions, for example, called as:class Reg:with all the register
> methods,
> > like ReadReg(), WriteReg() etc.
> >
> > In the same file, I have description of various registers, like:ConfigReg
> =
> > Reg(.....).
> >
> > Now I want to treat my RegDesc.py as include file to my other programs
> and
> > use the Reg class methods in my other programs.
> >
> > How can I do this? Do I need to use module?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Deepak
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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> >
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From abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 21:46:29 2008
From: abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com (Abhinav Sarkar)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 01:16:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Re :Use of module (Include file) in Python???
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David Elsen wrote:
> Hi Venkata,
> Thanks.
> I could do this.
> Import my first file as module and then using all  my methods 
> <modulename>.<methodname> format, but I would like to include my 
> <modulename> file and want to use just as <methodname> not as 
> <modulename>.<methodname>.
> Hope I am clear.
> Thanks,
> Deepak
>
> On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 5:45 AM, venkata subramanian 
> <venkatasubramanian at gmail.com <mailto:venkatasubramanian at gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Deepak,
>      You can do this.
>      It is using the keyword called import.
>
>      The basic syntax is
>     import <your_module_name_here>
>
>      example: import RegDesc
>
>      then, you can do RegDesc.foo(bar)
>
>      My friend had the same problem. He read the tutorial till
>      one point and missed the part where they talk about modules
>      and packages. So, go ahead and make sure you covered those topics.
>
>      Like other languages, your module should be in a 'path' called
>     pythonpath.
>      you can do import sys and then type sys.path to know the path.
>
>      All the modules in your current directory can be imported (well,
>      without going into the nittie gritties of it).
>
>
>
>     On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Deepak Patel
>     <dpatel_07 at rediffmail.com <mailto:dpatel_07 at rediffmail.com>> wrote:
>     > Hello,
>     >
>     > I am new to Python and need some help.
>     >
>     > Can someone please tell me whether I can use the Python Module
>     like include
>     > file?
>     >
>     > Is there a way to use the "include" file in Python?
>     >
>     > If I try to include a file with "# include", that line is treated as
>     > comment.
>     >
>     > What is the directive to include the include file in Python?
>     >
>     > I have created a Python prgram, say RegDesc.py for my registers
>     class
>     > definitions, for example, called as:class Reg:with all the
>     register methods,
>     > like ReadReg(), WriteReg() etc.
>     >
>     > In the same file, I have description of various registers,
>     like:ConfigReg =
>     > Reg(.....).
>     >
>     > Now I want to treat my RegDesc.py as include file to my other
>     programs and
>     > use the Reg class methods in my other programs.
>     >
>     > How can I do this? Do I need to use module?
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     > Deepak
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > BangPypers mailing list
>     > BangPypers at python.org <mailto:BangPypers at python.org>
>     > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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Hi
In that case you should do:

from modulename import methodname

or to import all methods at once do:

from modulename import *

This should work.

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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 22:28:15 2008
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:58:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Re :Use of module (Include file) in Python???
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On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Abhinav Sarkar <abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> from modulename import methodname
>
> or to import all methods at once do:
>
> from modulename import *

Of course ... the first way is better form than the second for various
reasons ... so you might want to make that a habit if you're starting
on a career in python.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From sibteym at infotechsw.com  Tue Sep  9 05:47:12 2008
From: sibteym at infotechsw.com (Sibtey Mehdi)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:17:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
Message-ID: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>

Hi

I am planning to develop a website but I don't have any idea about the
python framework. I found 2 or 3 framework (pylon, Django, turbo Gear) on
net but couldn't understand which one should be used.

 

Can you suggest me which framework should be better to develop a simple
website? 

 

 

Thanks,

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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Tue Sep  9 05:53:13 2008
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:53:13 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
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On Sep 8, 2008, at 11:47 PM, Sibtey Mehdi wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am planning to develop a website but I don?t have any idea about  
> the python framework. I found 2 or 3 framework (pylon, Django,  
> turbo Gear) on net but couldn?t understand which one should be used.
>
> Can you suggest me which framework should be better to develop a  
> simple website?
>
>
>

By simple website, I assume a website having mostly textual+image  
content with perhaps a few forms for user interaction.
In that case, django may be a good fit.

From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 06:07:43 2008
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:37:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0809082107lc776e62k391580e8daa412ac@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Sibtey Mehdi <sibteym at infotechsw.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am planning to develop a website but I don't have any idea about the
> python framework. I found 2 or 3 framework (pylon, Django, turbo Gear) on
> net but couldn't understand which one should be used.
>
> Can you suggest me which framework should be better to develop a simple
> website?

Try web.py.

http://webpy.org

From parth.technofreak at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 06:08:52 2008
From: parth.technofreak at gmail.com (Parthan SR)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:38:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
Message-ID: <48C5F6D4.1020107@gmail.com>

Sibtey Mehdi wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am planning to develop a website but I don?t have any idea about the 
> python framework. I found 2 or 3 framework (pylon, Django, turbo Gear) 
> on net but couldn?t understand which one should be used.
>
>  
>
> Can you suggest me which framework should be better to develop a 
> simple website?
>
>
What kind of a website is it going to be? If it is a simple website, 
with a few pages and few forms, then you can easily do them with smaller 
ones like webpy (+ a templating system of your choice). If you want to 
build a blogging website or something like a new website which has too 
frequently changing content, Django might be a good choice. If you are 
building some web app like intranet, then both Django and Pylons are 
good choice.

-- 
---
With Regards,

Parthan "technofreak"
<gpg>  2FF01026
<blog> http://blog.technofreak.in


From skpatel20 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  9 08:10:48 2008
From: skpatel20 at hotmail.com (Sanjaya Kumar Patel)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:40:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl>

This is a hot topic and a lot of posts around it are available on the Internet, most of which might confuse to new comers. After my about three years of watch on this, and considerable experience on TurboGears, my suggestions go as below.

If it is just developing a website, and not a part of your career decision to practice something seriously, you may choose the technology you are most familiar with, and it can very well be Drupal or DotNetNuke. But, if you think to practice a good framework and add the experience to your assets, I would suggest TurboGears for the same reasons that I chose it. Mainly these:

- SQLAlchemy support (SQLAlchemy is a serious advantage when it comes to bigger applications)
- Quite stable and popular
- Advanced in technology
- A lot of components available on the top to make life smoother

Some references:

http://sanjaypatel.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/browse_thread/thread/02ebc86c38a4075a/e32a4b4a3dd393c4?#e32a4b4a3dd393c4

Sanjay


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From pintooo15 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 08:46:40 2008
From: pintooo15 at gmail.com (Diabolic Preacher)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:16:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
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<snip>

> ... serious advantage when it comes to
> bigger applications)
> - ... popular
> - Advanced...
> -...make life smoother

These points do sound like buzzwords, coming from someone who's chosen
to build skills on turbogears. I do not underestimate anything but
aren't those points kind of biased towards a pre-determined
conclusion? Not that it's bad and perhaps the link provided below
would tell more, but the mail body itself is what shows up first.

-- 
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 09:01:03 2008
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 12:31:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
	<BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0809090001t567564d9h8521b34322ec8503@mail.gmail.com>

TG is nice. I have used it for a couple of apps but there's a lot of
magic under the hood which which causes frustration proportional to
the size of the project.

SQLAlchemy is a redeeming feature. From reviews on the net, it *does*
seem to be the ORM of choice when using Python.
Some of it's other components are not as hot though (although they
have replacements). Kid is the first thing that comes to mind.

YMMV

To the original poster,
   Unless you *really* want to develop custom functionality, it's
quicker and easier to download/customise something prebuilt (like
Wordpress for blogs etc.)


-- 
~noufal

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 09:44:34 2008
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:14:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0809090001t567564d9h8521b34322ec8503@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
	<BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl>
	<9963e56e0809090001t567564d9h8521b34322ec8503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0809090044h4ae26c43jdfb92c944b07a337@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for top posting, but a quick link :
http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2008-April/040727.html

Personal Preference: Go for Django - it is fun!

Venkat
Blog @ http://blizzardzblogs.blogspot.com

On 9/9/08, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> TG is nice. I have used it for a couple of apps but there's a lot of
> magic under the hood which which causes frustration proportional to
> the size of the project.
>
> SQLAlchemy is a redeeming feature. From reviews on the net, it *does*
> seem to be the ORM of choice when using Python.
> Some of it's other components are not as hot though (although they
> have replacements). Kid is the first thing that comes to mind.
>
> YMMV
>
> To the original poster,
>    Unless you *really* want to develop custom functionality, it's
> quicker and easier to download/customise something prebuilt (like
> Wordpress for blogs etc.)
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> _______________________________________________
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From skpatel20 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  9 12:10:45 2008
From: skpatel20 at hotmail.com (Sanjaya Kumar Patel)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:40:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <cf2417c50809082346v1d93f7edp4b2e46a0be641059@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
	<BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl> 
	<cf2417c50809082346v1d93f7edp4b2e46a0be641059@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W318FFA9D80845E72A7CF9B9540@phx.gbl>

> > ... serious advantage when it comes to
> > bigger applications)
> > - ... popular
> > - Advanced...
> > -...make life smoother
> 
> These points do sound like buzzwords, coming from someone who's chosen
> to build skills on turbogears. I do not underestimate anything but
> aren't those points kind of biased towards a pre-determined
> conclusion? Not that it's bad and perhaps the link provided below
> would tell more, but the mail body itself is what shows up first.

I tried to summarize my views in simple terms quickly, what probably sounded like *buzzwords* to you. And, if someone wants to dig into details, there are many posts in the Internet, which I did not want to waste time repeating. I readily gave some references which I liked.

Any genuine queries for helping the subject, I will be glad to attempt. I am trying to share my experience because I feel it might help. I don't gain anything in person by recommending TurboGears.

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From ranganaths at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 12:16:38 2008
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:46:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W318FFA9D80845E72A7CF9B9540@phx.gbl>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
	<BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl>
	<cf2417c50809082346v1d93f7edp4b2e46a0be641059@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY121-W318FFA9D80845E72A7CF9B9540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <77bb36840809090316w26f1d981g131d6cb8235efd02@mail.gmail.com>

I think webpy is simple N yet powerful.. try it out..

Ranganath.S


On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Sanjaya Kumar Patel
<skpatel20 at hotmail.com>wrote:

> > > ... serious advantage when it comes to
> > > bigger applications)
> > > - ... popular
> > > - Advanced...
> > > -...make life smoother
> >
> > These points do sound like buzzwords, coming from someone who's chosen
> > to build skills on turbogears. I do not underestimate anything but
> > aren't those points kind of biased towards a pre-determined
> > conclusion? Not that it's bad and perhaps the link provided below
> > would tell more, but the mail body itself is what shows up first.
>
> I tried to summarize my views in simple terms quickly, what probably
> sounded like *buzzwords* to you. And, if someone wants to dig into details,
> there are many posts in the Internet, which I did not want to waste time
> repeating. I readily gave some references which I liked.
>
> Any genuine queries for helping the subject, I will be glad to attempt. I
> am trying to share my experience because I feel it might help. I don't gain
> anything in person by recommending TurboGears.
>
> Sanjay
>
>
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From skpatel20 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  9 12:23:25 2008
From: skpatel20 at hotmail.com (Sanjaya Kumar Patel)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:53:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0809090001t567564d9h8521b34322ec8503@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
	<BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl> 
	<9963e56e0809090001t567564d9h8521b34322ec8503@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W52715D2A7C822775659A83B9540@phx.gbl>

> TG is nice. I have used it for a couple of apps but there's a lot of
> magic under the hood which which causes frustration proportional to
> the size of the project.

My experience with TurboGears 1.0.6 today is quite smooth. Of course, we were having some hurdles before a year or so, but now the stability and the documentation of the project seems quite good, although I can't give a comparative view, as I have not used other frameworks much.

> SQLAlchemy is a redeeming feature. From reviews on the net, it *does*
> seem to be the ORM of choice when using Python.
> Some of it's other components are not as hot though (although they
> have replacements). Kid is the first thing that comes to mind.

Genshi is taking over Kid as SQLAlchemy is taking over SQLObject. Today, anybody developing a serious application on TG would prefer TurboGears + SQLAlchemy + Genshi. In the coming version 1.1, these are the defaults. For a longer project, one could consider TurboGears 2.0, which is built over Pylons and promises a lot.

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From sibteym at infotechsw.com  Tue Sep  9 13:41:20 2008
From: sibteym at infotechsw.com (Sibtey Mehdi)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:11:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers]  which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W318FFA9D80845E72A7CF9B9540@phx.gbl>
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	<cf2417c50809082346v1d93f7edp4b2e46a0be641059@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY121-W318FFA9D80845E72A7CF9B9540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003f01c91270$fc115040$5fc513ac@pwit.com>

 

Thanks to all of you for giving me the good suggestions. I am a python
developer and didn't get the chance to work on web app. Now I am thinking to
learn something about web app.

 

Thanks,

Sibtey Mehdi

 

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From pintooo15 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 13:52:19 2008
From: pintooo15 at gmail.com (Diabolic Preacher)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:22:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W318FFA9D80845E72A7CF9B9540@phx.gbl>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
	<BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl>
	<cf2417c50809082346v1d93f7edp4b2e46a0be641059@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY121-W318FFA9D80845E72A7CF9B9540@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <cf2417c50809090452q1a2c03a1r2e9c9e48bd4518@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Sanjaya Kumar Patel
<skpatel20 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > ... serious advantage when it comes to
>> > bigger applications)
>> > - ... popular
>> > - Advanced...
>> > -...make life smoother
...

> I tried to summarize my views in simple terms quickly, what probably sounded
> like *buzzwords* to you. And, if someone wants to dig into details, there
> are many posts in the Internet, which I did not want to waste time
> repeating. I readily gave some references which I liked.

no problem :) .
you misinterpreted exactly as expected. I think giving references was
a cool and helpful idea for saving time and i do say it well intended.
but i suppose you knowing turbogears would've summarised with
something more concrete than the decorative words...i mean for example
you say its a serious advantage because... in not more than 10
words... that wouldn't harm anyone, now will it?


> Any genuine queries for helping the subject, I will be glad to attempt. I am
> trying to share my experience because I feel it might help. I don't gain
> anything in person by recommending TurboGears.

I know you did not want to gain anything in person, so I said what you
wrote, however, sounded like some promo ad, which i am sure is more
honest than anything that's been called as an advertisement or
promotion. I did hope that your summary would let me know key reasons
why you picked up TG, in technical words itself.

Hope I cleared out things better this time.

-- 
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Bookmarks: http://simpy.com/user/dpreacher

From skpatel20 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  9 15:10:35 2008
From: skpatel20 at hotmail.com (Sanjaya Kumar Patel)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:40:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <cf2417c50809090452q1a2c03a1r2e9c9e48bd4518@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
	<BAY121-W26FB10FD23873B2318B62AB9540@phx.gbl>
	<cf2417c50809082346v1d93f7edp4b2e46a0be641059@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY121-W318FFA9D80845E72A7CF9B9540@phx.gbl> 
	<cf2417c50809090452q1a2c03a1r2e9c9e48bd4518@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W41D593F5FD68D9D3C6003AB9540@phx.gbl>

Hi Diabolic,

> promotion. I did hope that your summary would let me know key reasons
> why you picked up TG, in technical words itself.

Here I go, trying to be more specific and technical this time. :)

1. TG has SQLAlchemy readily integrated. The ORM of Django or RoR is suitable for new web applications, but it has got many limitations as compared to SA. For example, ORM of Django or RoR does not support composite primary keys. Hence, for complex application development or for integrating with already existing databases, I would highly recommend SA. TG and Pylons support SA, but Django does not.
2. While I started using TG, I don't think Django was having builtin AJAX support. TG, on the other hand, supports AJAX development since long.
3. Pylons is a very good framework, but it does not recommand any specific default components. Because TG is more definitive in terms of defaults, you get much more components on the top of TG to make the life of a business application developer smooth. This article is really useful on deciding TG or Pylons -> http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears/browse_thread/thread/02ebc86c38a4075a/e32a4b4a3dd393c4?#e32a4b4a3dd393c4 
4. TG2 is built on top of Pylons. Pylons is quite advanced in terms of technology compared to Django. Another reference here -> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/AcademicPython (see Pradeep's observations).

One of the references that I was giving, http://sanjaypatel.blogspot.com/, is actually my article which I blogged one year back, which elaborates these more. I think it stills holds very true.

These are my views. Would be happy to listen to different views.

Sanjay

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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Tue Sep  9 17:01:51 2008
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:01:51 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
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On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:41 AM, Sibtey Mehdi wrote:

> Thanks to all of you for giving me the good suggestions. I am a  
> python developer and didn?t get the chance to work on web app. Now  
> I am thinking to learn something about web app.
>

Hi Sibtey,

Thanks for reinvigorating the sleepy pypers. Nothing like a web- 
framework slug-fest to shake 'em out of  hibernation.

Since you are interested in a "web app" and not just a website (which  
is what I gathered from your first post), the simplest ``framework"
to try would be web.py.

I have previously argued for Pylons, Django, web.py and Zope   
frameworks(!) at different points in time.
But, coming from a non-web development experience, web.py would be  
the least scary for you, IMO.

About TG: I attended Mark Ramm's presentation on TG2 in PyOhio.
I'm happy that they have taken to Pylons and WSGI in a big way.
But, personally, I'd wait for TG2 release before dipping my toes into  
it again.

These days, Erlang and Project Euler are keeping me engaged:
   http://github.com/btbytes/btbytes.erlang/tree/master
   http://btbytes.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/euler/python/

+PG

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Sep 10 03:36:53 2008
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:36:53 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] The web framework for ponies with magical powers
Message-ID: <1F5A85F4-A893-4210-B564-F4F62D30E999@btbytes.com>

http://avalonstar.com/blog/2008/sep/9/web-framework-ponies/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/avalonstar/2844663076/

From gates.plusplus at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 09:26:30 2008
From: gates.plusplus at gmail.com (Rohan Sharma)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:56:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] The web framework for ponies with magical powers
In-Reply-To: <1F5A85F4-A893-4210-B564-F4F62D30E999@btbytes.com>
References: <1F5A85F4-A893-4210-B564-F4F62D30E999@btbytes.com>
Message-ID: <7dd811cb0809100026o23681f4evabf94a4c4cdc067d@mail.gmail.com>

Needs more jazz.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:
> http://avalonstar.com/blog/2008/sep/9/web-framework-ponies/
> and
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/avalonstar/2844663076/
> _______________________________________________
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From tanjavuru at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 10 09:34:50 2008
From: tanjavuru at yahoo.com (S Rangaswamy)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:34:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0809082107lc776e62k391580e8daa412ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <140862.47322.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

it is interesting to note that Zope or Plone or no longer choices being mentioned !
I have not followed Django closely. Is there support available for content management or workflow ?
Our team at ZeOmega has been using zope plone to build workflow and BPM products for healthcare and would be curious to know more about other python web frameworks and support for standards such as wfmc.

regards
sathya


--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:07 PM

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Sibtey Mehdi <sibteym at infotechsw.com>
wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am planning to develop a website but I don't have any idea about the
> python framework. I found 2 or 3 framework (pylon, Django, turbo Gear) on
> net but couldn't understand which one should be used.
>
> Can you suggest me which framework should be better to develop a simple
> website?

Try web.py.

http://webpy.org
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 10:10:39 2008
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:10:39 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
References: <004a01c9122e$be064f90$5fc513ac@pwit.com>
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0809100110u63093377yd56018d8480e17de@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Sibtey Mehdi <sibteym at infotechsw.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am planning to develop a website but I don't have any idea about the
> python framework. I found 2 or 3 framework (pylon, Django, turbo Gear) on
> net but couldn't understand which one should be used.

http://code.google.com/appengine/

.. which is basically Django, but you also get free hosting with it.

Appengine is good for getting started; later you can choose any
framework. You may also find this interesting -
http://pythonpaste.org/do-it-yourself-framework.html

(Personally I am frustrated by the web development model. We need
something like GWT (is pyjamas being maintained??).. or Live Volta)

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 14:29:31 2008
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:59:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] which framework is better pylon or django
In-Reply-To: <140862.47322.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <41139fcb0809082107lc776e62k391580e8daa412ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<140862.47322.qm@web54603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79a035420809100529g64ea3b36p2d6506a8646703ba@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:04 PM, S Rangaswamy <tanjavuru at yahoo.com> wrote:
> it is interesting to note that Zope or Plone or no longer choices being
> mentioned !
> I have not followed Django closely. Is there support available for content
> management or workflow ?
> Our team at ZeOmega has been using zope plone to build workflow and BPM
> products for healthcare and would be curious to know more about other python
> web frameworks and support for standards such as wfmc.

There is *one* workflow engine I know about for Django ... though I
doubt it supports wfmc.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 09:08:37 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:08:37 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] XML RPC Problem....
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809110008t6e1b82f1w3fb2c6b09588896c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I am trying to call a function named system.auth at the server side running
at localhost:8080 but at the same time i want to set  the http header.  I
found that header can be set by

h.putheader("AUTHORIZATION",
            "Basic %s"%encodestring("%s:%s" % (ustring,text_ucert)))

#ustring: just a random string
#text_ucert: a file containing the X509 certificate of client

And i also fount that a typical system.auth call will look like:

POST /xmlrpc/clarens_server.py HTTP/1.0
Host: localhost
User-Agent: xmlrpclib.py/0.9.9 (by www.pythonware.com)
Content-Type: text/xml
Content-Length: 105
AUTHORIZATION: Basic MkhVTm9VazYxbXArVEZLS0dCY2tIRlA3bjVzPQo6RnJvbSBi
<?xml version='1.0'?>
<methodCall>
  <methodName>system.auth</methodName>
  <params>
  </params>
</methodCall>


Problem is that i don't know how do i generate above xml system.auth call.
Can anyone please tell me how do call a function, setting the header of the
call too?
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From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 10:32:39 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:32:39 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] XML RPC Problem....
In-Reply-To: <gaagp1$804$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <a3158e8b0809110008t6e1b82f1w3fb2c6b09588896c@mail.gmail.com>
	<gaagp1$804$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809110132i412777c6j9ec950b26679f85f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for ur help. But now i am getting an error

xmlrpclib.ProtocolError: <ProtocolError for localhost:8000/RPC2: 500
Internal Server Error>


Here is my code at http://privatepaste.com/d81Kut9AFj

Any idea what wrong am i doing?

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Fredrik Lundh <fredrik at pythonware.com>wrote:

> Usman Ajmal wrote:
>
>  And i also fount that a typical system.auth call will look like:
>>
>> POST /xmlrpc/clarens_server.py HTTP/1.0
>> Host: localhost
>> User-Agent: xmlrpclib.py/0.9.9 (by www.pythonware.com <
>> http://www.pythonware.com>)
>>
>> Content-Type: text/xml
>> Content-Length: 105
>> AUTHORIZATION: Basic MkhVTm9VazYxbXArVEZLS0dCY2tIRlA3bjVzPQo6RnJvbSBi
>> <?xml version='1.0'?>
>> <methodCall>
>>  <methodName>system.auth</methodName>
>>
>>  <params>
>>  </params>
>> </methodCall>
>>
>>
>> Problem is that i don't know how do i generate above xml system.auth call.
>> Can anyone please tell me how do call a function, setting the header of the
>> call too?
>>
>
> you need to plugin a custom transport.  see this page for an example:
>
>    http://www.python.org/doc/lib/xmlrpc-client-example.html
>
> in your case, it should be sufficient to override send_request, e.g.
> (untested):
>
>    class SecureTransport(xmlrpclib.Transport):
>
>        def set_authorization(self, ustring, text_ucert):
>            self.authoriation = encodestring(
>                "%s:%s" % (ustring,text_ucert)
>            )
>
>        def send_request(self, connection, handler, request_body):
>            connection.putrequest("POST", handler)
>            connection.putheader("Authorization",
>                "Basic %s" % self.authorization
>            )
>
> and instantiate the transport by doing
>
>    t = SecureTransport()
>    t.set_authorization(ustring, text_ucert)
>
> before passing to the server proxy.
>
> </F>
>
> --
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From dpatel_07 at rediffmail.com  Fri Sep 12 00:59:32 2008
From: dpatel_07 at rediffmail.com (Deepak Patel)
Date: 11 Sep 2008 22:59:32 -0000
Subject: [BangPypers] Re :Re: Re :Use of module (Include file) in Python???
Message-ID: <1220732923.S.4625.22740.f4mail-234-243.rediffmail.com.old.1221173972.31226@webmail.rediffmail.com>

Thanks a lot guys, I have not yet tried it, got involved in something else, but will try it shortly.It looks like this "IMPORT" will be replacing the "#include" kind of behaviour in Python.Thanks,Deepak.On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:58:15 +0530 Bangalore Python Users Group - India wroteOn Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Abhinav Sarkar wrote:&gt;&gt; from modulename import methodname&gt;&gt; or to import all methods at once do:&gt;&gt; from modulename import *Of course ... the first way is better form than the second for variousreasons ... so you might want to make that a habit if you're startingon a career in python.RegardsRajeev J Sebastian_______________________________________________BangPypers mailing listBangPypers at python.orghttp://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 20:39:00 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:39:00 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Need help with the 'transport' for setting the header
	while calling a function at server side
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809121139v3d7137e1r908f8414fbb25b10@mail.gmail.com>

I am getting an Internal Server Error  500 when i run my client code. I am
trying to call a function at the server side which for now only returns a
string. Meanwhile this calling i also set the header of HTTP request.
Following are my client and server code. Am i doing something wrong?

#-----------------------Server code-----------------------------

import SimpleXMLRPCServer
class AuthenticationFunctions:
    def system_auth(self):
        # No need to print here if you are going to print it at the client
side. Return it instead.
        return "something..."
server = SimpleXMLRPCServer.SimpleXMLRPCServer(("localhost", 8000))
server.register_instance(AuthenticationFunctions())
server.serve_forever()


#-----------------------Client code-----------------------------
import sha,random, os, time, sha, quopri, xmlrpclib

class SecureTransport(xmlrpclib.Transport):
       def set_authorization(self, ustring, text_ucert):
           self.authorization = quopri.encodestring("%s:%s" %
(ustring,text_ucert))
       def send_request(self, connection, handler, request_body):
           connection.putrequest("POST", handler)
           connection.putheader("Authorization","Basic %s" %
self.authorization)

def caller():
    #Opening file named newcert.pem in which certificate generated via
openssl command is placed
    infile = open('newcert.pem', "r+")
    if infile:
        text_ucert = infile.read()
    infile.close()

    #Generating a random string
    random.seed();
    ustring_raw="%s_%f_%f"%(os.getpid(),time.time(),random.random())

    #For calculating the hash of some arbitrary message
    hashValue = sha.new()
    hashValue.update("(.2).ch^kjdw*()!hjsu7 at hsue
@!jssljdu2837.kd'lsid4vhwoi3821@#1azzZ3234202J83&")

    #Updating the hash with the previously generated random string
    hashValue.update(ustring_raw)
    ustring  =  quopri.encodestring(hashValue.digest())

    #Instantiating the transport
    t = SecureTransport()
       t.set_authorization(ustring, text_ucert)
       server = xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost:8000',transport=t)

    #Calling some arbitrary function at server side
    print server.system_auth()

caller()
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From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 09:32:38 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:32:38 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] XML RPC Problem....
In-Reply-To: <gaagp1$804$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <a3158e8b0809110008t6e1b82f1w3fb2c6b09588896c@mail.gmail.com>
	<gaagp1$804$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809130032o3807f431y9caec7793f411039@mail.gmail.com>

Please explain the arguments of send_request. What exactly are the
connection, handler and request_body? It will be really helpful if you give
an example of how do i call send_request

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Fredrik Lundh <fredrik at pythonware.com>wrote:

> Usman Ajmal wrote:
>
>  And i also fount that a typical system.auth call will look like:
>>
>> POST /xmlrpc/clarens_server.py HTTP/1.0
>> Host: localhost
>> User-Agent: xmlrpclib.py/0.9.9 (by www.pythonware.com <
>> http://www.pythonware.com>)
>>
>> Content-Type: text/xml
>> Content-Length: 105
>> AUTHORIZATION: Basic MkhVTm9VazYxbXArVEZLS0dCY2tIRlA3bjVzPQo6RnJvbSBi
>> <?xml version='1.0'?>
>> <methodCall>
>>  <methodName>system.auth</methodName>
>>
>>  <params>
>>  </params>
>> </methodCall>
>>
>>
>> Problem is that i don't know how do i generate above xml system.auth call.
>> Can anyone please tell me how do call a function, setting the header of the
>> call too?
>>
>
> you need to plugin a custom transport.  see this page for an example:
>
>    http://www.python.org/doc/lib/xmlrpc-client-example.html
>
> in your case, it should be sufficient to override send_request, e.g.
> (untested):
>
>    class SecureTransport(xmlrpclib.Transport):
>
>        def set_authorization(self, ustring, text_ucert):
>            self.authoriation = encodestring(
>                "%s:%s" % (ustring,text_ucert)
>            )
>
>        def send_request(self, connection, handler, request_body):
>            connection.putrequest("POST", handler)
>            connection.putheader("Authorization",
>                "Basic %s" % self.authorization
>            )
>
> and instantiate the transport by doing
>
>    t = SecureTransport()
>    t.set_authorization(ustring, text_ucert)
>
> before passing to the server proxy.
>
> </F>
>
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 12:06:11 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:06:11 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] XML RPC Problem....
In-Reply-To: <gafuhg$sh1$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <a3158e8b0809110008t6e1b82f1w3fb2c6b09588896c@mail.gmail.com>
	<gaagp1$804$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<a3158e8b0809130032o3807f431y9caec7793f411039@mail.gmail.com>
	<gafuhg$sh1$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809130306m25dda070w73f0a3c25888e051@mail.gmail.com>

Where exactly should i call ServerProxy? Following is the code from my
client.py

t = SecureTransport()

       t.set_authorization(ustring, text_ucert)
    server = xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost:8000/',transport=t)
    print server.s()

Note: Full code for client is here at http://privatepaste.com/b56oS1Xa7P

and following is my server code

import SimpleXMLRPCServer
#server = ServerProxy("http://betty.userland.com")
class AuthenticationFunctions:

    def s(self):
        print "something..."

server = SimpleXMLRPCServer.SimpleXMLRPCServer(("localhost", 8000))
server.register_instance(AuthenticationFunctions())

server.serve_forever()


On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Fredrik Lundh <fredrik at pythonware.com>wrote:

> Usman Ajmal wrote:
>
>  Please explain the arguments of send_request. What exactly are the
>> connection, handler and request_body? It will be really helpful if you give
>> an example of how do i call send_request
>>
>
> you don't call send_request.  you should pass the SecureTransport instance
> as an argument to the ServerProxy, which will then use it to talk to the
> server.  see the "custom transport" example in the library reference that I
> pointed you to.
>
>  http://www.python.org/doc/lib/xmlrpc-client-example.html
>
> </F>
>
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 14:23:46 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:23:46 +0500
Subject: [BangPypers] XML RPC Problem....
In-Reply-To: <gag6dj$fd5$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <a3158e8b0809110008t6e1b82f1w3fb2c6b09588896c@mail.gmail.com>
	<gaagp1$804$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<a3158e8b0809130032o3807f431y9caec7793f411039@mail.gmail.com>
	<gafuhg$sh1$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<a3158e8b0809130306m25dda070w73f0a3c25888e051@mail.gmail.com>
	<gag6dj$fd5$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809130523g579ac36ci88caee7ac279f64d@mail.gmail.com>

Problem is that when i start client (while the server is already running), i
get an error i.e.
Error 500 Internal Server Error

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Fredrik Lundh <fredrik at pythonware.com>wrote:

> Usman Ajmal wrote:
>
>  Where exactly should i call ServerProxy? Following is the code from my
>> client.py
>>
>
> ServerProxy is the preferred name.  Server is an old alias for the same
> class.
>
>  t = SecureTransport()
>>      t.set_authorization(ustring, text_ucert)
>>    server = xmlrpclib.Server('http://localhost:8000/',transport=t)
>>    print server.s()
>>
>
> that code looks correct.  so what's the problem?
>
>
> </F>
>
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 14:58:09 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:58:09 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] XML RPC Problem....
In-Reply-To: <gagc6u$tj6$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <a3158e8b0809110008t6e1b82f1w3fb2c6b09588896c@mail.gmail.com>
	<gaagp1$804$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<a3158e8b0809130032o3807f431y9caec7793f411039@mail.gmail.com>
	<gafuhg$sh1$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<a3158e8b0809130306m25dda070w73f0a3c25888e051@mail.gmail.com>
	<gag6dj$fd5$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<a3158e8b0809130523g579ac36ci88caee7ac279f64d@mail.gmail.com>
	<gagc6u$tj6$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809130558w31294528veb8769764353415c@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah right but i don't see something wrong in my server's code. Following is
my server's simple code

import SimpleXMLRPCServer
#server = ServerProxy("http://betty.userland.com")
class AuthenticationFunctions:

    def s(self):
            print "something..."

server = SimpleXMLRPCServer.SimpleXMLRPCServer(("localhost", 8000))
server.register_instance(AuthenticationFunctions())

server.serve_forever()

and following is what i get when i run my client.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "ppkey.py", line 48, in <module>
    caller()
  File "ppkey.py", line 45, in caller
    print server.s()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/xmlrpclib.py", line 1147, in __call__
    return self.__send(self.__name, args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/xmlrpclib.py", line 1437, in __request
    verbose=self.__verbose
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/xmlrpclib.py", line 1191, in request
    headers
xmlrpclib.ProtocolError: <ProtocolError for localhost:8000/: 500 Internal
Server Error>


On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Fredrik Lundh <fredrik at pythonware.com>wrote:

> Usman Ajmal wrote:
>
>  Problem is that when i start client (while the server is already running),
>> i get an error i.e.
>> Error 500 Internal Server Error
>>
>
> that's a server error, not a client error.  check the server logs (e.g.
> error.log or similar).
>
>
> </F>
>
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 08:23:27 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:23:27 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] How to convert M2Crypto.RSA.RSA to string
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809142323t2a2d2c7dm8bb65482e25a1d1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a M2Crypto.RSA.RSA instance that contain my public-key. I want that
key as string. Is there any way to convert the said instance into string?

Thanks in advance.
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From resume.post.tc at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 20:09:11 2008
From: resume.post.tc at gmail.com (Gyani)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:39:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python developers?
Message-ID: <48CEA4C7.9030305@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am new to python. We are seeking to build a small team with the 
expertise on Python / Pylons.

The team would need 2 developers, one with 1 year experience and 1 
senior developer. We are also in need of a partime tech consultant who 
can trouble shoot problems if any. We are trying to enhance a existing 
system given to us.

Are there any organizations with whom I can connect who can help / guide 
/ advice?

Regards,
Gyani

From srinivasaenergy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 04:25:17 2008
From: srinivasaenergy at gmail.com (srinivasa rao)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:55:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python developers?
In-Reply-To: <48CEA4C7.9030305@gmail.com>
References: <48CEA4C7.9030305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b072d7570809151925m1c9c4095haf2a9f9690fe2a0c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi pydev
I am good in python may i apply for this job with 1 year exp and i do assist
for the project ,if you interested please contact me .
bye
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On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Gyani <resume.post.tc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am new to python. We are seeking to build a small team with the expertise
> on Python / Pylons.
>
> The team would need 2 developers, one with 1 year experience and 1 senior
> developer. We are also in need of a partime tech consultant who can trouble
> shoot problems if any. We are trying to enhance a existing system given to
> us.
>
> Are there any organizations with whom I can connect who can help / guide /
> advice?
>
> Regards,
> Gyani
> _______________________________________________
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From srini at nanolets.in  Tue Sep 16 04:35:32 2008
From: srini at nanolets.in (Nanolets nanolets)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:05:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python developers?
In-Reply-To: <48CEA4C7.9030305@gmail.com>
References: <48CEA4C7.9030305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5eab14c0809151935p7db57e01qeba81b5806669523@mail.gmail.com>

We are a Python human resource organization.
You can contact us.
Regards
Srini.

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Gyani <resume.post.tc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am new to python. We are seeking to build a small team with the expertise
> on Python / Pylons.
>
> The team would need 2 developers, one with 1 year experience and 1 senior
> developer. We are also in need of a partime tech consultant who can trouble
> shoot problems if any. We are trying toh enhance a existing system given to
> us.
>
> Are there any organizations with whom I can connect who can help / guide /
> advice?
>
> Regards,
> Gyani
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
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From skpatel20 at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 16 08:12:21 2008
From: skpatel20 at hotmail.com (Sanjaya Kumar Patel)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:42:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python developers?
In-Reply-To: <48CEA4C7.9030305@gmail.com>
References: <48CEA4C7.9030305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W31F46FC0EB0BB011B2C78AB94D0@phx.gbl>

> senior developer. We are also in need of a partime tech consultant who 
> can trouble shoot problems if any. We are trying to enhance a existing 
> system given to us.
> 
> Are there any organizations with whom I can connect who can help / guide 
> / advice?

We are dedicated to developing web applications on Python since June 2006, mostly on TurboGears and SQLAlchemy. An example of our work is http://www.gcollab.com. Our website is http://www.radsolutions.co.in/. Do let me know if we can be of any help.

regards,
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From nishith_n at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 16 13:08:47 2008
From: nishith_n at yahoo.com (Nishith Nand)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:08:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Handling pcap files with python
Message-ID: <605176.37022.qm@web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,I am trying to extract an uploaded file from a pcap file. The uploaded file is split across multiple frames. What I want to do is to extract the TCP payload from these frames and join them together to form the original file. I looked around the python-libpcap module but didn't find anything interesting. ?Any suggestions.
Thanks and Regards,Nishith
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

 The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a

capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the

safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?


      
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 17:23:26 2008
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:23:26 +0200
Subject: [BangPypers] Handling pcap files with python
In-Reply-To: <605176.37022.qm@web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <605176.37022.qm@web39704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30809160823v30eefb97l197e799f16da31d4@mail.gmail.com>

Does http://code.google.com/p/pypcap/ help you ?

--Anand

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Nishith Nand <nishith_n at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to extract an uploaded file from a pcap file. The uploaded file
> is split across multiple frames. What I want to do is to extract the TCP
> payload from these frames and join them together to form the original file.
> I looked around the python-libpcap module but didn't find anything
> interesting.  Any suggestions.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Nishith
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
> capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
> safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
-Anand

From gnuyoga at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 06:03:46 2008
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?(=E0=A4=B6=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=80)_Sreekanth_B_(Open_So?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?urce_Consultant_&_Trainer_)?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:33:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] linux / scripting fundamentals
Message-ID: <db49484f0809162103n5932a02cs8463a7f5d60bec0b@mail.gmail.com>

hi folks,

hope all are doing good !

Am planning for series of weekend training program in the space of
linux/python/java/etc .... mainly focused on open source technologies.

if any one in the group is interested please drop in a mail (you are free to
recommend this to your friends / colleagues as well :-) )

First of the training series is on Linux Fundamentals / Scripting
fundamentals.

details: http://sites.google.com/a/slashgnu.co.in/weekend-training/


thanks in advance
- sree
(dont get confused with other sree at mahiti.org)

-- 
http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga

Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by
controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or
psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free.
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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 06:18:35 2008
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:48:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] linux / scripting fundamentals
In-Reply-To: <db49484f0809162103n5932a02cs8463a7f5d60bec0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <db49484f0809162103n5932a02cs8463a7f5d60bec0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0809162118q1f6691a5vf5055d3fa7590ff3@mail.gmail.com>

> Am planning for series of weekend training program in the space of
> linux/python/java/etc .... mainly focused on open source technologies.
>
> details: http://sites.google.com/a/slashgnu.co.in/weekend-training/

It is free? I couldn't find any fee details in the above link.

From gnuyoga at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 06:32:09 2008
From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?(=E0=A4=B6=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=B0=E0=A5=80)_Sreekanth_B_(Open_So?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?urce_Consultant_&_Trainer_)?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:02:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] linux / scripting fundamentals
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0809162118q1f6691a5vf5055d3fa7590ff3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <db49484f0809162103n5932a02cs8463a7f5d60bec0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0809162118q1f6691a5vf5055d3fa7590ff3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <db49484f0809162132k5712ac1ck65b384f2518383aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> > Am planning for series of weekend training program in the space of
> > linux/python/java/etc .... mainly focused on open source technologies.
> >
> > details: http://sites.google.com/a/slashgnu.co.in/weekend-training/
>
> It is free? I couldn't find any fee details in the above link.
>

no its not free. rate details updated in site.

- sree
-- 
http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga

Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by
controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or
psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free.
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From uzmanajmal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 11:05:41 2008
From: uzmanajmal at gmail.com (Usman Ajmal)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:05:41 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] How to convert M2Crypto.RSA.RSA to string
In-Reply-To: <3f0d61c40809150606w2b8035b3v2eba46e44cdee9a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a3158e8b0809142323t2a2d2c7dm8bb65482e25a1d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f0d61c40809150606w2b8035b3v2eba46e44cdee9a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3158e8b0809170205r9e8c2d1nf47d8aedaa56d644@mail.gmail.com>

Actually my problem is a little different. I have a .pem format file which
contain my public and private key both and i want to get only the public key
from that file as a string.

I already have done that by just parsing the said file but if there is some
direct way i will b glad to know.

@marco i don't have the string at all. Infact i want the string
@Toivonen i tried as_pem but it gives me some private key after doing some
thing with the file i pass to it as argument which is even not the private
key i have in my file. Also if i set cipher=None, even then its result is
same

Thanks by the way marco and Toivonen for trying to help :)

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Marco Bizzarri <marco.bizzarri at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Usman Ajmal <uzmanajmal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a M2Crypto.RSA.RSA instance that contain my public-key. I want
> that
> > key as string. Is there any way to convert the said instance into string?
>
>
> In case you want to write the pub-key to a file, you can use save_pub_key
>
>    def save_pub_key(self, file):
>        """
>        Save the public key to a file in PEM format.
>
>        @type file: string
>        @param file: Name of file to save key to.
>        """
>
> Regards
> Marco
> --
> Marco Bizzarri
> http://notenotturne.blogspot.com/
> http://iliveinpisa.blogspot.com/
>
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 08:49:19 2008
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:49:19 +0200
Subject: [BangPypers] linux / scripting fundamentals
In-Reply-To: <db49484f0809162132k5712ac1ck65b384f2518383aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <db49484f0809162103n5932a02cs8463a7f5d60bec0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0809162118q1f6691a5vf5055d3fa7590ff3@mail.gmail.com>
	<db49484f0809162132k5712ac1ck65b384f2518383aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30809172349wbe3ecal29a247845358b1d3@mail.gmail.com>

Please prefix these kind of postings with "[Training]".

Thanks


On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:32 AM, (????) Sreekanth B (Open Source
Consultant & Trainer ) <gnuyoga at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> > Am planning for series of weekend training program in the space of
>> > linux/python/java/etc .... mainly focused on open source technologies.
>> >
>> > details: http://sites.google.com/a/slashgnu.co.in/weekend-training/
>>
>> It is free? I couldn't find any fee details in the above link.
>
> no its not free. rate details updated in site.
>
> - sree
> --
> http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga
>
> Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by
> controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or
> psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free.
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
-Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Sep 18 08:57:33 2008
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:27:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] guido praises django
Message-ID: <200809181227.33477.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

http://gjiro.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/bdfl-confirms-django-as-cool-as-it-appears/
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Associate, NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From heshan.suri at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 20:07:27 2008
From: heshan.suri at gmail.com (Heshan Suriyaarachchi)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:07:27 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Deploying a Python Service on Axis2
Message-ID: <12e5d0d90809181107v7be3aa54x1990ca17b5ebbc12@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,
     Apache Axis2/Java, is a popular open source Web service engine. It
currently supports exposing services written in Java, Javascript and Ruby as
Web services. This article [1]** discusses the Python data Binding that
enable exposing Web services written in Python.

[1] - http://wso2.org/library/articles/deploying-python-service-axis2
[2] - http://heshans.blogspot.com/2008/09/wso2-wsfjython-10-alpha.html
-- 
Regards,
Heshan Suriyaarachchi

http://heshans.blogspot.com/
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From mahaboobcrc at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 13:01:36 2008
From: mahaboobcrc at gmail.com (Mahaboob subhan)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:31:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] creating exe file
Message-ID: <3db08df80809190401h2b2a2b46v496ff12661ce758c@mail.gmail.com>

how to covert python script files as  ".exe" files in linux

Regards,
Subhan.
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From ataulla at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 13:06:41 2008
From: ataulla at gmail.com (Ataulla S H)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:36:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] creating exe file
In-Reply-To: <3db08df80809190401h2b2a2b46v496ff12661ce758c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db08df80809190401h2b2a2b46v496ff12661ce758c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0cfb4b0809190406n2cf592abjebb60c5fbf7e8c3c@mail.gmail.com>

hi Subhan,

install py2exe
 Its very easy to convert

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Mahaboob subhan <mahaboobcrc at gmail.com>wrote:

> how to covert python script files as  ".exe" files in linux
>
> Regards,
> Subhan.
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 13:17:08 2008
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:47:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] creating exe file
In-Reply-To: <f0cfb4b0809190406n2cf592abjebb60c5fbf7e8c3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db08df80809190401h2b2a2b46v496ff12661ce758c@mail.gmail.com>
	<f0cfb4b0809190406n2cf592abjebb60c5fbf7e8c3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809191647.08714.kushaldas@gmail.com>

On Friday 19 September 2008 04:36:41 pm Ataulla S H wrote:
> hi Subhan,
>
> install py2exe
>  Its very easy to convert
In Linux!!!

Kushal
-- 
Fedora Ambassador, India
http://kushaldas.in
http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur)


From patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 01:02:28 2008
From: patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com (Deepak Patel)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:02:28 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] One python question (from verilog)
Message-ID: <fa563a2e0809191602n3426ea04jd4d0e277792d93f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I want to a write a method in Python to poll a register for '1' or '0'. It
is kind of very simple in verilog, but not sure if python provides
flexibility or not.

My algorithm (kind of Verilog syntax where I can access the bits without any
extra processing) is as follows:

poll_reg ( input bit_pos, input poll_val, reg_offset)
{
// In this bit_pos is the position of bit in my register read which are
being polled to become poll_val. Poll_val can be either 0 or 1.

          matched = 0;
          while (matched != 1)
          begin
                  read_data = read_reg(reg_offset);
                  if (read_data[bit_pos] == poll_val)
                  begin
                            matched = 1;
                   end
                   else
                   begin
                             matched = 0;
                   end
             end
}

Is there a way to do above in Python?
Thanks,
Deepak
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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sat Sep 20 02:44:41 2008
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:44:41 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] One python question (from verilog)
In-Reply-To: <fa563a2e0809191602n3426ea04jd4d0e277792d93f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fa563a2e0809191602n3426ea04jd4d0e277792d93f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E37FC619-F7EB-4E6B-9B51-4E48AF2EB92B@btbytes.com>

The syntax looks familiar, almost python like.
The equivalent python code would be*:

def poll_reg(bit_pos, poll_val, reg_offset):
     matched = 0
	while matched != 1:
		read_data = read_reg(reg_offset)
		if read_data[bit_pos] === poll_val:
			matched = 1
		else:
			matched = 0
	return matched

* Implementing read_reg is left as an exercise to the developer :p

I'm not aware of any python library methods which allow one to access  
registers. But, the read_reg() can be implmented in C and
imported into Python.

Any low level operation like register access is usually delegated to .

HTH,
PG

On Sep 19, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Deepak Patel wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I want to a write a method in Python to poll a register for '1' or  
> '0'. It is kind of very simple in verilog, but not sure if python  
> provides flexibility or not.
>
> My algorithm (kind of Verilog syntax where I can access the bits  
> without any extra processing) is as follows:
>
> poll_reg ( input bit_pos, input poll_val, reg_offset)
> {
> // In this bit_pos is the position of bit in my register read which  
> are being polled to become poll_val. Poll_val can be either 0 or 1.
>
>           matched = 0;
>           while (matched != 1)
>           begin
>                   read_data = read_reg(reg_offset);
>                   if (read_data[bit_pos] == poll_val)
>                   begin
>                             matched = 1;
>                    end
>                    else
>                    begin
>                              matched = 0;
>                    end
>              end
> }
>
> Is there a way to do above in Python?
> Thanks,
> Deepak
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

Pradeep Kishore Gowda
http://pradeepgowda.com
pradeep at btbytes.com
+1-317-564-4660 (Day Phone)


From anandology at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 03:47:51 2008
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:17:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] One python question (from verilog)
In-Reply-To: <fa563a2e0809191602n3426ea04jd4d0e277792d93f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fa563a2e0809191602n3426ea04jd4d0e277792d93f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0809191847n37e16b4ar172e21ac47327555@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:32 AM, Deepak Patel <patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I want to a write a method in Python to poll a register for '1' or '0'. It
> is kind of very simple in verilog, but not sure if python provides
> flexibility or not.
>
> My algorithm (kind of Verilog syntax where I can access the bits without any
> extra processing) is as follows:
>
> poll_reg ( input bit_pos, input poll_val, reg_offset)
> {
> // In this bit_pos is the position of bit in my register read which are
> being polled to become poll_val. Poll_val can be either 0 or 1.
>
>           matched = 0;
>           while (matched != 1)
>           begin
>                   read_data = read_reg(reg_offset);
>                   if (read_data[bit_pos] == poll_val)
>                   begin
>                             matched = 1;
>                    end
>                    else
>                    begin
>                              matched = 0;
>                    end
>              end
> }

This is more C-like bit operation. You need to get a mask by right
shiting 1 by bit_pos and do binary AND with the register value.

def poll_reg(bit_pos, poll_val, reg_offset):
   mask = 1 <<  bit_pos
   while read_read(reg_offset) & mask == poll_val:
       continue

From patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 04:02:36 2008
From: patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com (Deepak Patel)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:02:36 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] One python question (from verilog)
In-Reply-To: <E37FC619-F7EB-4E6B-9B51-4E48AF2EB92B@btbytes.com>
References: <fa563a2e0809191602n3426ea04jd4d0e277792d93f@mail.gmail.com>
	<E37FC619-F7EB-4E6B-9B51-4E48AF2EB92B@btbytes.com>
Message-ID: <fa563a2e0809191902t3aed03a2x38fe5121f554ecfb@mail.gmail.com>

Pradeep,

Thanks.

I am not aware if Python provides the feature of accessing the  value by its
bit poition:
Can we do  "if read_data[bit_pos] === poll_val:" in Python? Can you please
let me know little bit more about this line?
Whether Read_data will be declread as list() or dict()?
Thanks,
Deepak



On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> The syntax looks familiar, almost python like.
> The equivalent python code would be*:
>
> def poll_reg(bit_pos, poll_val, reg_offset):
>    matched = 0
>        while matched != 1:
>                read_data = read_reg(reg_offset)
>                if read_data[bit_pos] === poll_val:
>                        matched = 1
>                else:
>                        matched = 0
>        return matched
>
> * Implementing read_reg is left as an exercise to the developer :p
>
> I'm not aware of any python library methods which allow one to access
> registers. But, the read_reg() can be implmented in C and
> imported into Python.
>
> Any low level operation like register access is usually delegated to .
>
> HTH,
> PG
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Deepak Patel wrote:
>
>   Hello all,
>>
>> I want to a write a method in Python to poll a register for '1' or '0'. It
>> is kind of very simple in verilog, but not sure if python provides
>> flexibility or not.
>>
>> My algorithm (kind of Verilog syntax where I can access the bits without
>> any extra processing) is as follows:
>>
>> poll_reg ( input bit_pos, input poll_val, reg_offset)
>> {
>> // In this bit_pos is the position of bit in my register read which are
>> being polled to become poll_val. Poll_val can be either 0 or 1.
>>
>>          matched = 0;
>>          while (matched != 1)
>>          begin
>>                  read_data = read_reg(reg_offset);
>>                  if (read_data[bit_pos] == poll_val)
>>                  begin
>>                            matched = 1;
>>                   end
>>                   else
>>                   begin
>>                             matched = 0;
>>                   end
>>             end
>> }
>>
>> Is there a way to do above in Python?
>> Thanks,
>> Deepak
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>
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> http://pradeepgowda.com
> pradeep at btbytes.com
> +1-317-564-4660 (Day Phone)
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From patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 04:03:52 2008
From: patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com (Deepak Patel)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:03:52 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] One python question (from verilog)
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0809191847n37e16b4ar172e21ac47327555@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fa563a2e0809191602n3426ea04jd4d0e277792d93f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0809191847n37e16b4ar172e21ac47327555@mail.gmail.com>
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Anand,
Thanks. I am sure that this C like operation should work, I have not yet
checked it though.
Deepak

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

>  On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:32 AM, Deepak Patel <patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I want to a write a method in Python to poll a register for '1' or '0'.
> It
> > is kind of very simple in verilog, but not sure if python provides
> > flexibility or not.
> >
> > My algorithm (kind of Verilog syntax where I can access the bits without
> any
> > extra processing) is as follows:
> >
> > poll_reg ( input bit_pos, input poll_val, reg_offset)
> > {
> > // In this bit_pos is the position of bit in my register read which are
> > being polled to become poll_val. Poll_val can be either 0 or 1.
> >
> >           matched = 0;
> >           while (matched != 1)
> >           begin
> >                   read_data = read_reg(reg_offset);
> >                   if (read_data[bit_pos] == poll_val)
> >                   begin
> >                             matched = 1;
> >                    end
> >                    else
> >                    begin
> >                              matched = 0;
> >                    end
> >              end
> > }
>
> This is more C-like bit operation. You need to get a mask by right
> shiting 1 by bit_pos and do binary AND with the register value.
>
> def poll_reg(bit_pos, poll_val, reg_offset):
>   mask = 1 <<  bit_pos
>   while read_read(reg_offset) & mask == poll_val:
>       continue
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From mahaboobcrc at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 17:55:19 2008
From: mahaboobcrc at gmail.com (Mahaboob subhan)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:25:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
Message-ID: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>

we can install py2exe only in windows,
it's not available for Linux .

meaning we can't install py2exe in Linux

any other alternatives?


thanks,
Subhan
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From abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 18:14:13 2008
From: abhinav.sarkar at gmail.com (Abhinav Sarkar)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:44:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
In-Reply-To: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48D52155.201@gmail.com>

Mahaboob subhan wrote:
> we can install py2exe only in windows,
> it's not available for Linux .
>
> meaning we can't install py2exe in Linux
>
> any other alternatives?
>
>
> thanks,
> Subhan
>
If you are trying to make python scripts executable in Linux, then you 
don't need any special software to do that. Just make the script 
executable by chmodding them like this:
chmod +x script.py

Cheers,

-- 
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From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 18:16:55 2008
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:46:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
In-Reply-To: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3de8e1f70809200916n58e79d05n5f7b0aee09afbf4b@mail.gmail.com>

py2exe doesn't cross-compile (rather cross-package+stub) ... it's available
only on Windows.

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Mahaboob subhan <mahaboobcrc at gmail.com>wrote:

> we can install py2exe only in windows,
> it's not available for Linux .
>
> meaning we can't install py2exe in Linux
>
> any other alternatives?
>
>
> thanks,
> Subhan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>


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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sat Sep 20 18:12:35 2008
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:12:35 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
In-Reply-To: <48D52155.201@gmail.com>
References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D52155.201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F58B41B9-E07C-4D04-85F2-FC16CCDC6D4E@btbytes.com>


On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Abhinav Sarkar wrote:

> Mahaboob subhan wrote:
>> we can install py2exe only in windows,
>> it's not available for Linux .
>>
>> meaning we can't install py2exe in Linux
>>
>> any other alternatives?
>>
> If you are trying to make python scripts executable in Linux, then  
> you don't need any special software to do that. Just make the  
> script executable by chmodding them like this:
> chmod +x script.py


Also don't forget the hash-bang at the top of the file : #! /usr/bin/ 
env python

This line tells the OS which program to use launch the script.

Scripts are First Class citizens in *NIX world. So, not every program  
has to be an executable.


Pradeep Kishore Gowda
http://pradeepgowda.com


From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 18:55:55 2008
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:25:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
In-Reply-To: <F58B41B9-E07C-4D04-85F2-FC16CCDC6D4E@btbytes.com>
References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D52155.201@gmail.com>
	<F58B41B9-E07C-4D04-85F2-FC16CCDC6D4E@btbytes.com>
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On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> [..]
> Also don't forget the hash-bang at the top of the file : #! /usr/bin/env
> python
>
> This line tells the OS which program to use launch the script.
>
> Scripts are First Class citizens in *NIX world. So, not every program has
> to be an executable.
>

This does have some 'limitations' though. There are a lot of people who just
want to run their 'applications' without dependency problems and such. Being
able to 'bundle' your software along with everything it needs into one
binary blob is what some people want to do.



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From srsy70 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 05:27:35 2008
From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:57:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
In-Reply-To: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d60e5b0f0809202027x2d831dfcy6e37b648ccc221c6@mail.gmail.com>

> we can install py2exe only in windows,
> it's not available for Linux .
>
> meaning we can't install py2exe in Linux
>
> any other alternatives?
>

PyInstaller ( http://pyinstaller.python-hosting.com/ ) seems to be one
option. Not sure if it works with ver 2.5 and up.

Ramaswamy

From jace at pobox.com  Sun Sep 21 06:29:45 2008
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:59:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0809200955m2f255c19o2af8badf3fec0cb9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
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On 20-Sep-08, at 10:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:

> This does have some 'limitations' though. There are a lot of people  
> who just want to run their 'applications' without dependency  
> problems and such. Being able to 'bundle' your software along with  
> everything it needs into one binary blob is what some people want to  
> do.

That is why Linux software is distributed as DEB or RPM packages where  
the OS takes care of all the dependencies during installation.


From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 06:57:36 2008
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:27:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
In-Reply-To: <941020D3-1731-4017-A89A-6D254B5985AC@pobox.com>
References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
	<48D52155.201@gmail.com>
	<F58B41B9-E07C-4D04-85F2-FC16CCDC6D4E@btbytes.com>
	<9963e56e0809200955m2f255c19o2af8badf3fec0cb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<941020D3-1731-4017-A89A-6D254B5985AC@pobox.com>
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com> wrote:

> On 20-Sep-08, at 10:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>
>  This does have some 'limitations' though. There are a lot of people who
>> just want to run their 'applications' without dependency problems and such.
>> Being able to 'bundle' your software along with everything it needs into one
>> binary blob is what some people want to do.
>>
>
> That is why Linux software is distributed as DEB or RPM packages where the
> OS takes care of all the dependencies during installation.


Yes but those are specific to Debian/Ubuntu or Redhat/Fedora. These are fine
for real sysads but many people don't really know/want to know about package
management systems.

It would be nice to have one file which I can download and 'install' in some
sense (perhaps without root privileges). Something like
http://0install.net/or autopackage (
http://autopackage.org/). Similar to windows. Download, double click, click
a few "nexts" and you have a working app (as opposed to, add a line to the
apt.sources list, update, install cycle on Debian).

-- 
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From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 07:31:15 2008
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:01:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
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References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com>wrote:
>
>> On 20-Sep-08, at 10:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>>
>>  This does have some 'limitations' though. There are a lot of people who
>>> just want to run their 'applications' without dependency problems and such.
>>> Being able to 'bundle' your software along with everything it needs into one
>>> binary blob is what some people want to do.
>>>
>>
>> That is why Linux software is distributed as DEB or RPM packages where the
>> OS takes care of all the dependencies during installation.
>
>
> Yes but those are specific to Debian/Ubuntu or Redhat/Fedora. These are
> fine for real sysads but many people don't really know/want to know about
> package management systems.
>
> It would be nice to have one file which I can download and 'install' in
> some sense (perhaps without root privileges). Something like
> http://0install.net/ or autopackage (http://autopackage.org/). Similar to
> windows. Download, double click, click a few "nexts" and you have a working
> app (as opposed to, add a line to the apt.sources list, update, install
> cycle on Debian).
>

That's a good point. Actually, dependency fulfillment is a nightmare the
moment you step outside the realm of --
1) Do it right -- "always", i.e. install only from official distro, install
packages only from official distro-stream, and always do so, without
exception.
2) Internet connected (or repository connected) systems, where rule-1 is
followed.

Those 2 are "ideal" ways (probably) of maintaining software, but the weakest
link are not the software packages (installed on the system) that adhere to
those, but those that don't.

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From jace at pobox.com  Sun Sep 21 10:05:12 2008
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:35:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] py2exe
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0809202157u3baba042w2f4a749adb059307@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3db08df80809200855r344ba36aj2735a4163b02a90c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes but those are specific to Debian/Ubuntu or Redhat/Fedora. These are
> fine for real sysads but many people don't really know/want to know about
> package management systems.
>

As a user, I'd much rather double click a .deb file and let Ubuntu take care
of the rest rather than poke around a 0install or whatever while worrying
about what dependencies of mine it's going to trash.
You may also want to look at bbfreeze: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/bbfreeze


-- 
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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 13:34:30 2008
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:04:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] One python question (from verilog)
In-Reply-To: <fa563a2e0809191903p1b5b942ete9dbd98ab70c8d47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fa563a2e0809191602n3426ea04jd4d0e277792d93f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0809191847n37e16b4ar172e21ac47327555@mail.gmail.com>
	<fa563a2e0809191903p1b5b942ete9dbd98ab70c8d47@mail.gmail.com>
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In our company we use Python a lot to interact with hardware directly.
And as pointed out earlier, there is a C++ framework to read a register,
which is available as a COM library, and then Python interacts with this
library.
unfortunately, its proprietary and cannot be shared. But the idea itself is
open.

Vishal

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Deepak Patel <patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Anand,
> Thanks. I am sure that this C like operation should work, I have not yet
> checked it though.
> Deepak
>
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:32 AM, Deepak Patel <patel.deepak.09 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > I want to a write a method in Python to poll a register for '1' or '0'.
>> It
>> > is kind of very simple in verilog, but not sure if python provides
>> > flexibility or not.
>> >
>> > My algorithm (kind of Verilog syntax where I can access the bits without
>> any
>> > extra processing) is as follows:
>> >
>> > poll_reg ( input bit_pos, input poll_val, reg_offset)
>> > {
>> > // In this bit_pos is the position of bit in my register read which are
>> > being polled to become poll_val. Poll_val can be either 0 or 1.
>> >
>> >           matched = 0;
>> >           while (matched != 1)
>> >           begin
>> >                   read_data = read_reg(reg_offset);
>> >                   if (read_data[bit_pos] == poll_val)
>> >                   begin
>> >                             matched = 1;
>> >                    end
>> >                    else
>> >                    begin
>> >                              matched = 0;
>> >                    end
>> >              end
>> > }
>>
>> This is more C-like bit operation. You need to get a mask by right
>> shiting 1 by bit_pos and do binary AND with the register value.
>>
>> def poll_reg(bit_pos, poll_val, reg_offset):
>>   mask = 1 <<  bit_pos
>>   while read_read(reg_offset) & mask == poll_val:
>>       continue
>>  _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>


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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 13:36:30 2008
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:06:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
Message-ID: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>

We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.
Any pointers by actual users of a GUI framework in Python. The web gives too
many options to easily choose from.

Just trying to learn from others from this group.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sun Sep 21 16:33:19 2008
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:03:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809212003.19978.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Sunday 21 Sep 2008 5:06:30 pm Vishal wrote:
> We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.

I have always been a big fan of wxPython


-- 
regards
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From banibrata.dutta at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 17:31:38 2008
From: banibrata.dutta at gmail.com (Banibrata Dutta)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:01:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3de8e1f70809210831w4ba9b9bbka50ed9f7b66d7568@mail.gmail.com>

Reposting an interesting thread-head, from another Python list... (orig
author is Todd Whitman):
<include>
I've put together a tutorial that shows off how to build a GUI application
using XULRunner (same architectural components as Firefox uses) that can be
used in conjunction with the Python programming language.

The tutorial covers how to build a Python/XULRunner GUI application:
http://pyxpcomext.mozdev.org/no_wrap/tutorials/pyxulrunner/
python_xulrunner_about.html

The details in this tutorial covers the initial setup to full
packaging/deployment, mostly targeting a Windows/Linux platform (MacOSX is
possible with a few deviations, I have tried to cover these deviations where
applicable).
</include>

thanks & regards,
Bani
--

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.
> Any pointers by actual users of a GUI framework in Python. The web gives
> too many options to easily choose from.
>
> Just trying to learn from others from this group.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>


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From vibhaven at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 22 06:53:37 2008
From: vibhaven at yahoo.com (vibha srinivasan)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:53:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <647870.43671.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I would strongly recommend the open source Traits package and its accompanying GUI toolkit packages, TraitsBackendWX (or TraitsBackendQt) developed by Enthought, Inc.? (the project home page is http://code.enthought.com/projects/traits). 

The packages are available on pypi at:

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Traits/3.0.2
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TraitsBackendWX/3.0.2

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TraitsBackendQt/3.0.2


Besides providing a GUI framework (the GUI feature is optional actually), the Traits project provides support for explicitly typed attributes for Python. 

Disclaimer: I am an employee of Enthought, Inc. If you do try out this package, we would really appreciate your feedback.

best,
Vibha

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com>
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 7:36 AM

We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.
Any pointers by actual users of a GUI framework in Python. The web gives too many options to easily choose from.

Just trying to learn from others from this group.
Thanks and best regards,Vishal



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From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 08:43:20 2008
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:13:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <647870.43671.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
	<647870.43671.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30809212343w11c065c5vc8e939bf412c645b@mail.gmail.com>

If you want a simple, lightweight GUI framework without complex
event handling routines, and you rate yourself from Python
newbie-rookie-intermediate, I suggest easygui.

http://easygui.sourceforge.net/

Easygui uses simple functions instead of typical event-driven
model of UIs. I have not used it myself but I have read
good things about it from people who have. It is a good option
if what you are doing is a quick n dirty internal project which
will be used by you or your team.

However for any "serious" application with an expected
life of a year or more, I suggest the regular, event-driven
frameworks. For me this would be wxPython, anygui, tkinter
and PythonCard in that order.

--Anand

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:23 AM, vibha srinivasan <vibhaven at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I would strongly recommend the open source Traits package and its
> accompanying GUI toolkit packages, TraitsBackendWX (or TraitsBackendQt)
> developed by Enthought, Inc.  (the project home page is
> http://code.enthought.com/projects/traits).
>
> The packages are available on pypi at:
>
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Traits/3.0.2
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TraitsBackendWX/3.0.2
> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TraitsBackendQt/3.0.2
>
> Besides providing a GUI framework (the GUI feature is optional actually),
> the Traits project provides support for explicitly typed attributes for
> Python.
>
> Disclaimer: I am an employee of Enthought, Inc. If you do try out this
> package, we would really appreciate your feedback.
>
> best,
> Vibha
>
> --- On Sun, 9/21/08, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
> To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 7:36 AM
>
> We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.
> Any pointers by actual users of a GUI framework in Python. The web gives too
> many options to easily choose from.
> Just trying to learn from others from this group.
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
-Anand

From kushaldas at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 09:00:14 2008
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:30:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200809221230.14614.kushaldas@gmail.com>

On Sunday 21 September 2008 05:06:30 pm Vishal wrote:
> We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.
> Any pointers by actual users of a GUI framework in Python. The web gives
> too many options to easily choose from.
>
My choice is PyQt4 :)

Kushal
-- 
Fedora Ambassador, India
http://kushaldas.in
http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur)


From nishith_n at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 22 10:46:04 2008
From: nishith_n at yahoo.com (Nishith Nand)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Handling pcap files with python
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30809160823v30eefb97l197e799f16da31d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <700027.33751.qm@web39706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Its not really what I had in mind. I couldn't find any tool which would extract POST data ?from a pcap file. So, I started writing my own. You can track the progress, if you want, at https://launchpad.net/tlreaderRegards,
Nishith
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

 The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a

capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the

safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Handling pcap files with python
To: nishith_n at yahoo.com, "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 8:53 PM

Does http://code.google.com/p/pypcap/ help you ?

--Anand

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Nishith Nand <nishith_n at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to extract an uploaded file from a pcap file. The uploaded
file
> is split across multiple frames. What I want to do is to extract the TCP
> payload from these frames and join them together to form the original
file.
> I looked around the python-libpcap module but didn't find anything
> interesting.  Any suggestions.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Nishith
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be a
> capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the
> safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
>
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From urskarthiksp at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 14:34:40 2008
From: urskarthiksp at gmail.com (SP Karthik)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:34:40 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training
Message-ID: <e01a9a4a0809260534p461b12bbj4c9fa0aa52c83772@mail.gmail.com>

Hello ,

Is there any python professional trainer in Bangalore(India) for corporate
training? Can any one send the contact details to me? Thanks.

Regards,
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From srini at nanolets.in  Fri Sep 26 16:32:15 2008
From: srini at nanolets.in (Nanolets nanolets)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:02:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Training
In-Reply-To: <e01a9a4a0809260534p461b12bbj4c9fa0aa52c83772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e01a9a4a0809260534p461b12bbj4c9fa0aa52c83772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5eab14c0809260732o22eb7e0enfb31cd018db329c6@mail.gmail.com>

i am a corporate trainer checkout www.nanolets.com

Regards
Srini

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:04 PM, SP Karthik <urskarthiksp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello ,
>
> Is there any python professional trainer in Bangalore(India) for corporate
> training? Can any one send the contact details to me? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Karthik
>
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 19:00:05 2008
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:00:05 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0809291000p57015e30k33b29e29756e1a33@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.awaretek.com/toolkits.html

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.
> Any pointers by actual users of a GUI framework in Python. The web gives too
> many options to easily choose from.
> Just trying to learn from others from this group.
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 10:49:24 2008
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:19:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0809291000p57015e30k33b29e29756e1a33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c73a13a0809291000p57015e30k33b29e29756e1a33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480809300149n2695a73fq6f8d42c6e8d8d984@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Sometime back, I came across the idea of bundling a basic webserver in a
python application and using a browser window as the GUI host. That's
probably one of the most universal kind of GUI framework possible...though
it might not have all that native GUI packages provide.
If I want to do something like this, can someone guide if there are already
existing packages to that?
Here's what I will need, i think:
a) Python executable
b) Python scripts (which create the HTML files and implement the logic of
the application)
c) CSS files
d) Other things that make up contemporary web 2.0 frameworks (templating,
SQL related stuff)
d) A basic webserver (does this need to be a Python one...I think its better
to have a simple one as a separate EXE)

what else?
How to go about building one?

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal




On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar <
sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.awaretek.com/toolkits.html
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.
> > Any pointers by actual users of a GUI framework in Python. The web gives
> too
> > many options to easily choose from.
> > Just trying to learn from others from this group.
> > Thanks and best regards,
> > Vishal
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 11:22:57 2008
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:52:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0809291000p57015e30k33b29e29756e1a33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c73a13a0809291000p57015e30k33b29e29756e1a33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480809300222x3652e14ay8bd97deb564ea105@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sridhar. I had tried the link earlier as well.
According to them wxpython is the best one for me. However, from my short
experience I have noticed the wxpython applications (at least on Windows)
take very long (3 - 7 seconds) to come up. Example is the well known Wing
IDE. Not only that, they are also not very responsive and remind me of some
Java Swing applications. Every time they come up...its bound to make the
rest of the computer unresponsive (that might be because the Java runtime is
coming up...).

There is no real good option for commercial development in Python in my view
right now...and i am frantically searching for one !!!

Fox, FLTK are not completely safe due to the LGPL license clauses.
WxPython is not very good at responsiveness, and the API is not simple
enough.
Qt is not free, and the free distribution is not for commerical development
easygui is not good enough for applications that are going to have long
lifetimes.
PythonCard comes without a GUI designer. Atleast I could not find one on
their website.

So the options left are:
a) Use IronPython to get all the Windows Forms stuff
b) Use PythonWin and use MFC to build the GUI
c) Use the Embedded Websever approach and make the web browser as your GUI
host.
d) Use Delphi to create the GUI and use P4D for connecting to Python.

I am most interested in option C, because thats the least dependent on other
language bindings etc etc.
Option d also looks attractive, after working with PyScripter for sometime,
but I dont know Pascal/Delphi and dont own an IDE for the same.  But its
available only for Windows.

Ideas welcome :)

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal






On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar <
sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.awaretek.com/toolkits.html
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > We would like to use a GUI framework with our Python code.
> > Any pointers by actual users of a GUI framework in Python. The web gives
> too
> > many options to easily choose from.
> > Just trying to learn from others from this group.
> > Thanks and best regards,
> > Vishal
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"

"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure"

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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 11:37:03 2008
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:07:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480809300222x3652e14ay8bd97deb564ea105@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c73a13a0809291000p57015e30k33b29e29756e1a33@mail.gmail.com>
	<a13a3b480809300222x3652e14ay8bd97deb564ea105@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79a035420809300237u7d7c4ba6u40b612b65507af42@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> c) Use the Embedded Websever approach and make the web browser as your GUI
> host.

One thing you can do ... write a wrapper around QtWebKit as your
browser-gui. This should insulate your proprietary code from the GPLed
Qt.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 11:37:42 2008
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:07:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <79a035420809300237u7d7c4ba6u40b612b65507af42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c73a13a0809291000p57015e30k33b29e29756e1a33@mail.gmail.com>
	<a13a3b480809300222x3652e14ay8bd97deb564ea105@mail.gmail.com>
	<79a035420809300237u7d7c4ba6u40b612b65507af42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79a035420809300237u7a5f9980kc5fee4647054f013@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
<rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
> One thing you can do ...

Please read as *could* do ...

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Tue Sep 30 14:32:26 2008
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:32:26 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] GUI framework in Python...
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480809300149n2695a73fq6f8d42c6e8d8d984@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480809210436t4b77b7ccg2c4a163e365c3732@mail.gmail.com>
	<7c73a13a0809291000p57015e30k33b29e29756e1a33@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <A27A6742-F07C-49E8-924F-DDBCE76C1B26@btbytes.com>


On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:49 AM, Vishal wrote:

> Hi,
> Sometime back, I came across the idea of bundling a basic webserver  
> in a python application and using a browser window as the GUI host.  
> That's probably one of the most universal kind of GUI framework  
> possible...though it might not have all that native GUI packages  
> provide.


Won't Adobe Air provide all this and a kick ass GUI at the same?
If all you want is a light weight gui that works across browsers has  
an embedded HTML rendering engine (webkit), you don't have to look  
beyond AIR.
Well, of course this isn't Python, but, that should not come in  
between the developer and a good solution..

+PG

Pradeep Kishore Gowda
http://pradeepgowda.com