From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:18:24 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:48:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Testing the list
Message-ID: <8548c5f30709140118t7eaf44b8y995d5a9073300018@mail.gmail.com>

Testing the list. Please ignore...

Thanks

-- 
-Anand

From stylesen at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:22:09 2007
From: stylesen at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran S)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:52:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why is Bangpypers list private?
Message-ID: <5ef2113c0709140122m977e1beob6ca34b56d37668@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I would like to know, why bangpypers list in
http://mail.python.org/mailman/ is marked as a private list? Is there
any specific reason? If not, We need to make the list as a public
list, since anyone who wants to join the list must be able to do so
after browsing through the archives. Also it is good to open our list
for search engines :)

-- 
Senthil Kumaran S
http://www.stylesen.org

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:24:46 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:54:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Testing the list
In-Reply-To: <46EA4457.2060309@silverstripesoftware.com>
References: <8548c5f30709140118t7eaf44b8y995d5a9073300018@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EA4457.2060309@silverstripesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30709140124n4feb0d87g80429585d86f8ec1@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/14/07, Siddharta Govindaraj <siddharta at silverstripesoftware.com> wrote:
> Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > Testing the list. Please ignore...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> Is there a way to change the email address apart from unsubscribing and
> resubscribing?

Nothing I know of. If you want to change your subscription email address,
please send me a mail citing your current address and the new address.
I will change it for you immediately.


>
> --
> Siddharta Govindaraj
>


-- 
-Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:29:54 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:59:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why is Bangpypers list private?
In-Reply-To: <5ef2113c0709140122m977e1beob6ca34b56d37668@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5ef2113c0709140122m977e1beob6ca34b56d37668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30709140129p419dc716uacaa69d747bd2876@mail.gmail.com>

Excuse me for top posting :)

Sen, this was because Jeff created it like that. I have changed
it so that the list is visible to anyone, not just the members.
However email addresses will be slightly obfuscated so that
we don't expose ourselves to spamming.

--Anand

On 9/14/07, Senthil Kumaran S <stylesen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to know, why bangpypers list in
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/ is marked as a private list? Is there
> any specific reason? If not, We need to make the list as a public
> list, since anyone who wants to join the list must be able to do so
> after browsing through the archives. Also it is good to open our list
> for search engines :)
>
> --
> Senthil Kumaran S
> http://www.stylesen.org
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


-- 
-Anand

From stylesen at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:32:50 2007
From: stylesen at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran S)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:02:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Testing the list
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30709140124n4feb0d87g80429585d86f8ec1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30709140118t7eaf44b8y995d5a9073300018@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EA4457.2060309@silverstripesoftware.com>
	<8548c5f30709140124n4feb0d87g80429585d86f8ec1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ef2113c0709140132l281df23dqb0bb08ba621b191e@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/14/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/14/07, Siddharta Govindaraj <siddharta at silverstripesoftware.com> wrote:
> > Is there a way to change the email address apart from unsubscribing and
> > resubscribing?
>
> Nothing I know of. If you want to change your subscription email address,
> please send me a mail citing your current address and the new address.
> I will change it for you immediately.

Since the new bangpypers list runs on mailman, there is a way. AFAIK,
If you are able to login into your account with your current email id
and password in http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers,
there is an option to change your email id and name.

-- 
Senthil Kumaran S
http://www.stylesen.org

From stylesen at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:34:17 2007
From: stylesen at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran S)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:04:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why is Bangpypers list private?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30709140129p419dc716uacaa69d747bd2876@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5ef2113c0709140122m977e1beob6ca34b56d37668@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30709140129p419dc716uacaa69d747bd2876@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ef2113c0709140134u2074d126y5a97114524d76d19@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/14/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sen, this was because Jeff created it like that. I have changed
> it so that the list is visible to anyone, not just the members.

Thank you for that :)

> However email addresses will be slightly obfuscated so that
> we don't expose ourselves to spamming.

Yeah, this is important.

-- 
Senthil Kumaran S
http://www.stylesen.org

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:37:24 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:07:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why is Bangpypers list private?
In-Reply-To: <81033E9CB8B5E54F95356B223C213B7701101A8E@blrx3m02.blr.amer.dell.com>
References: <5ef2113c0709140122m977e1beob6ca34b56d37668@mail.gmail.com>
	<81033E9CB8B5E54F95356B223C213B7701101A8E@blrx3m02.blr.amer.dell.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30709140137t48109c50h83ae33874d04a418@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/14/07, Seshadri_N at dell.com <Seshadri_N at dell.com> wrote:
> Nice to see BangPypers on Python.org :)
>
> Thanks to Anand and Congrats to all !
>
> Will it be possible to archive discussion threads from yahoo groups and
> post it on to python.org mailing list ?

I will get to this in a few days. Currently I am going to set it so
that messages are forwarded. I am getting used to mailman
myself so this might take some time :-)


>
> Thx,
> seShadri
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bangpypers-bounces at python.org
> [mailto:bangpypers-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Senthil Kumaran S
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:52 PM
> To: bangpypers at python.org
> Subject: [BangPypers] Why is Bangpypers list private?
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to know, why bangpypers list in
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/ is marked as a private list? Is there
> any specific reason? If not, We need to make the list as a public list,
> since anyone who wants to join the list must be able to do so after
> browsing through the archives. Also it is good to open our list for
> search engines :)
>
> --
> Senthil Kumaran S
> http://www.stylesen.org
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


-- 
-Anand

From Seshadri_N at Dell.com  Fri Sep 14 10:27:19 2007
From: Seshadri_N at Dell.com (Seshadri_N at Dell.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:57:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why is Bangpypers list private?
In-Reply-To: <5ef2113c0709140122m977e1beob6ca34b56d37668@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5ef2113c0709140122m977e1beob6ca34b56d37668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81033E9CB8B5E54F95356B223C213B7701101A8E@blrx3m02.blr.amer.dell.com>

Nice to see BangPypers on Python.org :) 

Thanks to Anand and Congrats to all !

Will it be possible to archive discussion threads from yahoo groups and
post it on to python.org mailing list ?

Thx,
seShadri



-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces at python.org
[mailto:bangpypers-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Senthil Kumaran S
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:52 PM
To: bangpypers at python.org
Subject: [BangPypers] Why is Bangpypers list private?

Hi,

I would like to know, why bangpypers list in
http://mail.python.org/mailman/ is marked as a private list? Is there
any specific reason? If not, We need to make the list as a public list,
since anyone who wants to join the list must be able to do so after
browsing through the archives. Also it is good to open our list for
search engines :)

--
Senthil Kumaran S
http://www.stylesen.org
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:42:42 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:12:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Testing the list
In-Reply-To: <5ef2113c0709140132l281df23dqb0bb08ba621b191e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30709140118t7eaf44b8y995d5a9073300018@mail.gmail.com>
	<46EA4457.2060309@silverstripesoftware.com>
	<8548c5f30709140124n4feb0d87g80429585d86f8ec1@mail.gmail.com>
	<5ef2113c0709140132l281df23dqb0bb08ba621b191e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30709140142u4faa793cid02bf5b0ddd864da@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/14/07, Senthil Kumaran S <stylesen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since the new bangpypers list runs on mailman, there is a way. AFAIK,
> If you are able to login into your account with your current email id
> and password in http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers,
> there is an option to change your email id and name.

Yes. I guess so. Try this out...

Go to http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/bangpypers/<your email address>
. You will be asked to log in. Once you log in, you should get a change
email address option to change your email address.

For example, for me the URL would be
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/bangpypers/abpillai at gmail.com

>
> --
> Senthil Kumaran S
> http://www.stylesen.org
>

Let me know if this works.

-- 
-Anand

From rmathews at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:11:36 2007
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:41:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Neat
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780709140111k24a34f91vc17ff3631e0d7baa@mail.gmail.com>

Good job, whoever got this done. :)

-- 
Roshan Mathews

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 07:30:01 2007
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (O.R.Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:00:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <fcfj55+6nl9@eGroups.com>
References: <fcfj55+6nl9@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <20070915053001.GB4827@gmail.com>

* David <forge22 at yahoo.com> [2007-09-15 03:22:13]:

> I need to ask what editors the group recommends for python program 
> files.

Any editor that supports Python Indentationa and the list is available here:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors

If you have already installed Python, look out for IDLE and start from that.
That could your editor to start with. Later you can move to more powerful editors.

> Will MS Word do the trick or is there a Editor that is better to work 
> with.

Don't do that mistake. MS Word is a word-processor, i.e for highlighting words, underlining etc, not an editor and moreover will not support Python identation by default. 

-- 
O.R.Senthil Kumaran
http://uthcode.sarovar.org

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sat Sep 15 09:24:09 2007
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:54:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <6A3A643C-3F9C-4E98-B93F-836F5560E2F0@thenilgiris.com>
References: <fcfj55+6nl9@eGroups.com>
	<6A3A643C-3F9C-4E98-B93F-836F5560E2F0@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70709150024w2110c739v1fb319332d70498b@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/15/07, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
>
> On 15-Sep-07, at 8:52 AM, David wrote:
>
> > I need to ask what editors the group recommends for python program
> > files.
> >
> > Will MS Word do the trick or is there a Editor that is better to work
> > with.
Assuming that you were not joking when you mentioned MS word :), I
must assume that you are a newbie to programming.

If you are on windows, you might be better off with Python-win32,
which gives a nice editor with syntax highlight, code folding, etc.
(Free)

Pywin32 uses Scintilla library to do the above mentioned tricks. SciTE
is a very lightweight editor <1MB with excellent support for python.
Scite also uses scintilla.

You can write program in SciTE and run it interactively by pressing F5
and see the results in a split pane. I have used it for a long time
till I left windowz.

Eric3 looks feature rich, but I always found all the menus and
toolbars more of a distraction.

Vi and Emacs (esp emacs) rock if you are a linux head. But then, Vi
and Emacs needs a life-style change to get used to ... heh heh...

Oh, I currently use Textmate on my spanky new mac. Still trying to
un-map my fingers from the emacs bindings though.

So, on windows
  newbie - win32py or scite
  master - ?? (will any *master* use windows? </flame bait>)
[If you are a eclipse user you can try pydev. It has a good set of
features and is attractive for people who are already used to the
eclipse ecosystem.]

Linux -
 newbie - kate, gedit --> eric3
 master - vi/emacs

Mac -
 TextMate FTW!

-Pradeep

Home - http://btbytes.com
Heart  - http://sampada.net
Yummy! - http://konkanirecipes.com

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 10:09:15 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:39:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70709150024w2110c739v1fb319332d70498b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fcfj55+6nl9@eGroups.com>
	<6A3A643C-3F9C-4E98-B93F-836F5560E2F0@thenilgiris.com>
	<3e3294b70709150024w2110c739v1fb319332d70498b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30709150109x5c861efbxd09b64984b6e8c07@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

   Please stop using the Yahoo! group and edit the BangPypers address
in your addressbook to poin to bangpypers at python.org .

   It would be a difficult job to copy all messages from this list
to the new one. If the members can start posting to the new list,
we can avoid extra work.

Regards

--Anand

On 9/15/07, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:
> On 9/15/07, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 15-Sep-07, at 8:52 AM, David wrote:
> >
> > > I need to ask what editors the group recommends for python program
> > > files.
> > >
> > > Will MS Word do the trick or is there a Editor that is better to work
> > > with.
> Assuming that you were not joking when you mentioned MS word :), I
> must assume that you are a newbie to programming.
>
> If you are on windows, you might be better off with Python-win32,
> which gives a nice editor with syntax highlight, code folding, etc.
> (Free)
>
> Pywin32 uses Scintilla library to do the above mentioned tricks. SciTE
> is a very lightweight editor <1MB with excellent support for python.
> Scite also uses scintilla.
>
> You can write program in SciTE and run it interactively by pressing F5
> and see the results in a split pane. I have used it for a long time
> till I left windowz.
>
> Eric3 looks feature rich, but I always found all the menus and
> toolbars more of a distraction.
>
> Vi and Emacs (esp emacs) rock if you are a linux head. But then, Vi
> and Emacs needs a life-style change to get used to ... heh heh...
>
> Oh, I currently use Textmate on my spanky new mac. Still trying to
> un-map my fingers from the emacs bindings though.
>
> So, on windows
>   newbie - win32py or scite
>   master - ?? (will any *master* use windows? </flame bait>)
> [If you are a eclipse user you can try pydev. It has a good set of
> features and is attractive for people who are already used to the
> eclipse ecosystem.]
>
> Linux -
>  newbie - kate, gedit --> eric3
>  master - vi/emacs
>
> Mac -
>  TextMate FTW!
>
> -Pradeep
>
> Home - http://btbytes.com
> Heart  - http://sampada.net
> Yummy! - http://konkanirecipes.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


-- 
-Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 10:22:39 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:52:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70709150024w2110c739v1fb319332d70498b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fcfj55+6nl9@eGroups.com>
	<6A3A643C-3F9C-4E98-B93F-836F5560E2F0@thenilgiris.com>
	<3e3294b70709150024w2110c739v1fb319332d70498b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30709150122l249b3446v4e97579f1c1db20@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/15/07, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:
> On 9/15/07, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 15-Sep-07, at 8:52 AM, David wrote:
> >
> > > I need to ask what editors the group recommends for python program
> > > files.
> > >
> > > Will MS Word do the trick or is there a Editor that is better to work
> > > with.
> Assuming that you were not joking when you mentioned MS word :), I
> must assume that you are a newbie to programming.
>
> If you are on windows, you might be better off with Python-win32,
> which gives a nice editor with syntax highlight, code folding, etc.
> (Free)
>
> Pywin32 uses Scintilla library to do the above mentioned tricks. SciTE
> is a very lightweight editor <1MB with excellent support for python.
> Scite also uses scintilla.
>
> You can write program in SciTE and run it interactively by pressing F5
> and see the results in a split pane. I have used it for a long time
> till I left windowz.
>
> Eric3 looks feature rich, but I always found all the menus and
> toolbars more of a distraction.
>
> Vi and Emacs (esp emacs) rock if you are a linux head. But then, Vi
> and Emacs needs a life-style change to get used to ... heh heh...
>
> Oh, I currently use Textmate on my spanky new mac. Still trying to
> un-map my fingers from the emacs bindings though.
>
> So, on windows
>   newbie - win32py or scite
>   master - ?? (will any *master* use windows? </flame bait>)
> [If you are a eclipse user you can try pydev. It has a good set of
> features and is attractive for people who are already used to the
> eclipse ecosystem.]
>
> Linux -
>  newbie - kate, gedit --> eric3
>  master - vi/emacs

There is an excellent X-platform Python editor named Spe (Stani's Python
Editor) which is written in Python using wxPython. It has all the features
of a commercial editor such as autocompletion, autoindentation, syntax
highighting, class explorer and a powerful feature for advanced Python
programmers -> It can generate UML diagrams automatically from your
 source code which can be exported in multiple formats. It even works
 from a USB drive :-)

I used it to great effect while in SpikeSource, my previous company.
Highly recommended.

Read an article on this editor here
=>
http://www.linux.com/articles/56305?tid=109&tid=138



>
> Mac -
>  TextMate FTW!
>
> -Pradeep
>
> Home - http://btbytes.com
> Heart  - http://sampada.net
> Yummy! - http://konkanirecipes.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


-- 
--Anand

From skpatel20 at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 15 10:42:45 2007
From: skpatel20 at hotmail.com (Sanjaya Kumar Patel)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:12:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30709150122l249b3446v4e97579f1c1db20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fcfj55+6nl9@eGroups.com>
	<6A3A643C-3F9C-4E98-B93F-836F5560E2F0@thenilgiris.com>
	<3e3294b70709150024w2110c739v1fb319332d70498b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30709150122l249b3446v4e97579f1c1db20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-W9E08213BA4314590321D1B9BD0@phx.gbl>


I use Eclipse with the following extensions: PyDev, Amateras HTML Editor, Subclipse. All these free tools gives me the feel of a nice IDE for developing moderately complex Python (Turbogears) applications.

Sanjay
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 14:33:35 2007
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (O.R.Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:03:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <BAY121-W9E08213BA4314590321D1B9BD0@phx.gbl>
References: <fcfj55+6nl9@eGroups.com>
	<6A3A643C-3F9C-4E98-B93F-836F5560E2F0@thenilgiris.com>
	<3e3294b70709150024w2110c739v1fb319332d70498b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30709150122l249b3446v4e97579f1c1db20@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY121-W9E08213BA4314590321D1B9BD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070915123334.GA3607@gmail.com>

> 
> I use Eclipse with the following extensions: PyDev, Amateras HTML Editor, Subclipse. All these free tools gives me the feel of a nice IDE for developing moderately complex Python (Turbogears) applications.

Guys, all this and well, but it does not look like we are helping the newbie who wanted to use MS-Word as his Python editor.
Lets just ask him to start with IDLE or PythonWin and then come back to any of the suggestions.

Original Poster:
	Please dont get confused by so many suggestions. 
1) As IDLE is already installed on your system when you installed Python. Start with that.
2) If you installed python through ActiveState distribution, start with PythonWin (You will find a shortcut in your Start->Programs->Python25).

THEN, come back to this discussion and read the posts. You will find a good editor suggestion suitable to your needs.

Welcome!

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From vimalmenon at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 15 18:56:21 2007
From: vimalmenon at yahoo.com (Vimal Menon)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:56:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers]  Re:Choosing an Editor for Python ???
Message-ID: <305362.14780.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Stany's Python Editor (SPE) is easy and comfortable for beginners, its wonderful :) . WingIDE is also good, but its not free :).  I use vi though, vi has nice little tricks which keeps on amusing me and keep me attached to vi. On Windows system I love to use UltraEdit(not free), it is very powerful and memory efficient (better than vi ;) .. hehe my assumption) and also has a python extension (syntax highlight). UltraEdit also works fine through WINE in linux. 

Regards,
Vimal






       
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 13:42:29 2007
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:12:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <305362.14780.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <305362.14780.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30709160442s55f16343ra497d3664a3b280b@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/15/07, Vimal Menon <vimalmenon at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Stany's Python Editor (SPE) is easy and comfortable for beginners, its
> wonderful :) . WingIDE is also good, but its not free :).  I use vi though,
> vi has nice little tricks which keeps on amusing me and keep me attached to
> vi. On Windows system I love to use UltraEdit(not free), it is very powerful
> and memory efficient (better than vi ;) .. hehe my assumption) and also has
> a python extension (syntax highlight). UltraEdit also works fine through
> WINE in linux.
>

<bail>
Not meant to start Emacs - vi flame wars !
</bail>

Though I mentioned SPE,  I normally use Emacs for everything
unless I want some quick trick like generating UML on the fly
from code.

However I am an emacs veteran with an experience of using
it and customizing it with elisp for last 13 years. Definitely
not meant for the newbie :)


> Regards,
> Vimal
>
>
>
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From sriramv_iyer at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 17 03:59:57 2007
From: sriramv_iyer at yahoo.com (Sriram V Iyer)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:59:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <305362.14780.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <437077.4508.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Oops - I just realized I was posting it in Yahoo Group
instead of Python mailing list... I have pasted my
reply in Yahoo Group below. Btw, I am surprised nobody
mentioned PyScripter :o [Am I the only one loving it?
^^ ]

Ray:
If you are really serious into programming, promise
us, you'll never ever think of MS Word as a
programming editor :-)

I have used a plenty of editors, many falling way
below my expectation - IDLE, PythonWin(comes with
Active State), Boa Constructor, SPE etc.

I now swear by PyScripter. The best I have used so far
and it debug capabilities are pretty impressive. This
editor ROCKS! (I am assuming you were planning to use
Windows...) -

Whenever I want to look at code from many languages
simultaneously (C/C++, Python, Perl, Lisp) or as a
replacement for Notepad, I use Notepad++. This is a
serious replacement for notepad for programmers - It
is from GNU and kicks *** esp when you want to look
into big text files.


Regards
Sriram


From botsie at nixcartel.org  Mon Sep 17 06:34:30 2007
From: botsie at nixcartel.org (Biju Chacko)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:04:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Choosing an Editor for Python ???
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30709160442s55f16343ra497d3664a3b280b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <305362.14780.qm@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8548c5f30709160442s55f16343ra497d3664a3b280b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46EE03D6.50209@nixcartel.org>

Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> On 9/15/07, Vimal Menon <vimalmenon at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Stany's Python Editor (SPE) is easy and comfortable for beginners, its
>> wonderful :) . WingIDE is also good, but its not free :).  I use vi though,
>> vi has nice little tricks which keeps on amusing me and keep me attached to
>> vi. On Windows system I love to use UltraEdit(not free), it is very powerful
>> and memory efficient (better than vi ;) .. hehe my assumption) and also has
>> a python extension (syntax highlight). UltraEdit also works fine through
>> WINE in linux.
>>
> 
> <bail>
> Not meant to start Emacs - vi flame wars !
> </bail>
> 
> Though I mentioned SPE,  I normally use Emacs for everything
> unless I want some quick trick like generating UML on the fly
> from code.
> 
> However I am an emacs veteran with an experience of using
> it and customizing it with elisp for last 13 years. Definitely
> not meant for the newbie :)


If you're going to do any serious editing in any language, you need to 
get a good editor. Your editor of choice can make programming a joy or 
sheer hell. It's like choosing the correct pair of shoes before running 
a marathon.

I'd suggest that you try out emacs and vim. Find out which suits you 
better and then make a time investment to really learn how to use it. 
Both of these editors have steep learning curves (emacs is marginally 
less steep) but knowing one well will really pay off in the long run.

I generally stay away from IDEs because I hate having to learn a new 
environment just because I'm programming in a new language. Also, being 
an old-timer I'm more productive without an IDE. YMMV.

HTH,

-- b

PS: I've made this particular post so many times that I should just 
automate it. :-)

From siddharta.lists at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 12:06:13 2007
From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:36:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django Tutorial 2
Message-ID: <46EFA315.7030206@gmail.com>

Hi,

I just finished a second screencast on Django -

http://showmedo.com/videos/video?name=1100010&fromSeriesID=110

This one explains the template inheritance feature, filters and the 
Django NewForms library.

Check it out. Any feedback etc would be cool.

-- 
Siddharta Govindaraj
http://siddhi.blogspot.com
http://www.silverstripesoftware.com/blog/


From ranganaths at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 12:55:04 2007
From: ranganaths at gmail.com (Ranganath s)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:25:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] query regarding bluetooth networking.
Message-ID: <77bb36840709180355u56e9daa0o5ed387687df76506@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

       I wanted to know like if there is any api for Bluetooth to have a p2p
network connection.   Its basically for a project to use bluetooth as the
channel of communication b/w the peers.

-Ranganath
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