[AstroPy] AstroPy Digest, Vol 86, Issue 5
Kyle Willett
willettk at colorado.edu
Mon Nov 4 20:03:30 EST 2013
Sockpuppet investigation is something we badly want to avoid - they're
usually loud accusations of finger pointing on both sides, but with little
proof, suspicion never seems to go away.
If you're making an edit to the page, make sure that you're logged into
your Wikipedia account so that they can see multiple users are editing the
site. Particularly, if you vote on the deletion status of the article (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Astropy),
sign your comment with four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your vote. That
will create an automatic user ID and timestamp; this will help demonstrate
that we are in fact many independent users working and supporting the
article, not just sockpuppet accounts.
- Kyle
On 4 November 2013 17:56, <astropy-request at scipy.org> wrote:
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> 1. Re: volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry (RayS)
> 2. Re: volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry (RayS)
> 3. Re: volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry (RayS)
> 4. Re: volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry (Derek Homeier)
> 5. Re: volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry (Derek Homeier)
> 6. Re: volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry
> (Perry Greenfield)
> 7. Re: volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry (RayS)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:07:12 -0800
> From: RayS <rays at blue-cove.com>
> Subject: Re: [AstroPy] volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry
> To: "AstroPy at scipy.org" <astropy at scipy.org>
> Message-ID: <201311042007.rA4K7EuM004394 at blue-cove.com>
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> At 11:22 AM 11/4/2013, Perry Greenfield wrote:
> >I can think of the following things that could be added:
> >
> >- reference to the A&A paper
>
> Which is in
>
> References
>
> , but the link to it could be moved
>
> >- references to pyfits (since it is now in astropy), many of these
> >could be obtained, but they are probably not direct references to
> >astropy.io.fits, though we should have this added to the FITS
> >listing of modules as the recommended reference.
> >- that it is part of some linux distributions
> >
> >Or is your sense that it is premature at this point until more sites
> >reference astropy?
>
> Remember that it is only other Wikipedia pages which reference
> Astropy that count, unlike Google; proper references to the Astropy
> entry should be added to the other appropriate Categories and
> Python-related wiki pages, which anyone can do.
>
> - Ray S
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> From: RayS <rays at blue-cove.com>
> Subject: Re: [AstroPy] volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry
> To: "AstroPy at scipy.org" <astropy at scipy.org>
> Message-ID: <201311042008.rA4K8IoS006942 at blue-cove.com>
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> And from his talk page, the reviewer appears to have an itchy finger.
> I added the "under construction" which should prevent him from actual
> deletion.
> I agree that notability is important for software
> listings. I think a list of notable important users would be next.
> Would the list of 30 colloborators in The Astropy
> Collaboration in
> http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2013/10/aa22068-13/aa22068-13.html
> be appropriate? They are certainly users, and themselves notable in the
> field.
>
> - Ray S
>
>
> At 10:47 AM 11/4/2013, Ries, Paul A (3265-Affiliate) wrote:
> >And unfortunately, after a mere 12 minutes of
> >existence, the astropy wikipedia article has
> >been nominated for deletion by a new page patroller:
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Astropy>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Astropy
> >
> >
> >
> >For better or for worse, the key to a page
> >surviving its first few days on wikipedia is
> >establishing notability. So the key to getting
> >the page kept is adding references that establish notability.
> >
> >The "official" guideline for notability:
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG#General_notability_guideline
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG#General_notability_guideline
> >
> >An essay (i.e. less official, but still useful)
> >regarding notability for software:
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(software)>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(software)
> >
> >I think that pretty much the best way to achieve
> >inclusion on wiki would be to establish that
> >it's widely used in the astronomical
> >community. The best way I can think of is if
> >there exist course pages from universities about
> >using the software for astronomical
> >purposes. Those should be added as
> >references. Without those, though or something
> >like them, it's likely the article will be
> >deleted.... basically, the sources have to be
> >independent of the astropy project pages and
> >major contributors. If you can find such
> >sources, they can be added to the article using
> ><ref>[http://www.university.edu/the/page.html]</ref>....
> >
> >Source: experienced wiki editor with votes in over 80 deletion discussions
> >
> >----Paul
> >
> >On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:46 AM, RayS wrote:
> >
> >>At 08:12 AM 11/4/2013, Perry Greenfield wrote:
> >>>Is someone out there willing to take up the
> >>>task of creating a wikipedia entry for astropy?
> >>
> >>Stub:
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astropy
> >>You really don't need to worry about editing as
> >>a main contributor; it is only the content (and
> >>importantly, supporting links and references)
> >>that matter. Further discussion of the entry
> >>could mainly be on the Talk Page
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Astropy&action=edit&redlink=1
> >>
> >> >From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction
> >>"Don't be afraid to edit ? anyone can edit
> >>almost every page, and we are encouraged to
> >><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold>be
> >>bold! Find something that can be improved and
> >>make it better?for example, spelling, grammar,
> >>rewriting for readability, adding content, or
> >>removing non-constructive edits. If you wish to
> >>add new facts, please try to provide
> >><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_referencing/1
> >references
> >>so they may be
> >><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability>verified,
> >>or suggest them on the article's
> >><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_talk_pages
> >discussion
> >>page. Changes to controversial topics and
> >>Wikipedia's main pages should usually be discussed first.
> >>
> >>Remember ? you can't break Wikipedia; all edits
> >>can be reversed, fixed or improved later.
> >>Wikipedia is
> >><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_policy>allowed
> >>to be imperfect. So go ahead, edit an article
> >>and help make Wikipedia the best information source on the Internet!"
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> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 14:14:20 -0800
> From: RayS <rays at blue-cove.com>
> Subject: Re: [AstroPy] volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry
> To: Thomas Robitaille <thomas.robitaille at gmail.com>,
> "AstroPy at scipy.org" <astropy at scipy.org>
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> At 12:29 PM 11/4/2013, Thomas Robitaille wrote:
> >- links to the affiliated packages
>
> more need to be added
>
> >- 54 international developers have contributed so far, including
> >developers at notable institutions such the Space Telescope Science
> >Institute, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, the Max
> >Planck Society, etc. (and you can link to their wikipedia pages)
>
> ~28 institutions are added from
> http://dx.doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/201322068
>
> >- you could add a logo? (attached)
>
> the logo should have a clear copyright statement associated,
> Wikipedia is very picky, understandably
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_of_the_Astropy_Project.png
> As the logo of an organization, they want a Fair Use description, "To
> the uploader: Please add a detailed
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_use_rationale_guideline
> >fair
> use rationale for each use, as well as the source of the work and
> copyright information. "
>
> >Thanks for your work on this! In any case, make sure that you save the
> >content you do write so that we can try again in future.
>
> If others made occasional edits, the entry should be safe from the
> deletion fanatics.
>
> Glad to be of help to the Python community, but back to work for now
> ;) Maybe someday I'll polish up my LX200 module...
>
> - Ray S
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> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 00:33:03 +0100
> From: Derek Homeier <derek at astro.physik.uni-goettingen.de>
> Subject: Re: [AstroPy] volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry
> To: "AstroPy at scipy.org" <astropy at scipy.org>
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> On 04.11.2013, at 11:14PM, RayS <rays at blue-cove.com> wrote:
>
> >> - 54 international developers have contributed so far, including
> >> developers at notable institutions such the Space Telescope Science
> >> Institute, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, the Max
> >> Planck Society, etc. (and you can link to their wikipedia pages)
> >
> > ~28 institutions are added from
> http://dx.doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/201322068
> >
> Actually as it is the list almost appears a bit overwhelming (at least it
> quite dominates
> the present page), but this will probably balance out as content to the
> main sections
> is added...
> >
> >> Thanks for your work on this! In any case, make sure that you save the
> >> content you do write so that we can try again in future.
> >
> > If others made occasional edits, the entry should be safe from the
> deletion fanatics.
>
> I've added references to some Linux and OS X packages (Debian, MacPorts
> and Fink
> being the only ones I was aware of right away - perhaps somewhere on the
> main
> astropy page there could also be a list of packages and maintainers?).
> And I back-referenced the page from the FITS page, hope this helps a bit.
>
> Thanks for your efforts as well!
>
> Derek
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 00:54:21 +0100
> From: Derek Homeier <derek at astro.physik.uni-goettingen.de>
> Subject: Re: [AstroPy] volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry
> To: "AstroPy at scipy.org" <astropy at scipy.org>
> Message-ID:
> <
> F71B3DFA-6CE2-4E98-95A1-9F341FAF83E0 at astro.physik.uni-goettingen.de>
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> On 04.11.2013, at 11:14PM, RayS <rays at blue-cove.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your work on this! In any case, make sure that you save the
> >> content you do write so that we can try again in future.
> >
> > If others made occasional edits, the entry should be safe from the
> deletion fanatics.
>
> Anyone has the number of subscribers to this list at hand? Another wannabe
> neighbourhood
> watchman is now threatening a Sockpuppet investigation (i.e., I think,
> they are suspecting a
> single person operating under multiple user names editing the page)!
>
> Derek
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:02:10 -0500
> From: Perry Greenfield <stsci.perry at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [AstroPy] volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry
> To: Derek Homeier <derek at astro.physik.uni-goettingen.de>
> Cc: "AstroPy at scipy.org" <astropy at scipy.org>
> Message-ID: <FDA6A406-8FE1-4927-B6BB-F8B8B2296197 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> currently 608
>
> On Nov 4, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Derek Homeier wrote:
>
> > On 04.11.2013, at 11:14PM, RayS <rays at blue-cove.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your work on this! In any case, make sure that you save the
> >>> content you do write so that we can try again in future.
> >>
> >> If others made occasional edits, the entry should be safe from the
> deletion fanatics.
> >
> > Anyone has the number of subscribers to this list at hand? Another
> wannabe neighbourhood
> > watchman is now threatening a Sockpuppet investigation (i.e., I think,
> they are suspecting a
> > single person operating under multiple user names editing the page)!
> >
> > Derek
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AstroPy mailing list
> > AstroPy at scipy.org
> > http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/astropy
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:02:24 -0800
> From: RayS <rays at blue-cove.com>
> Subject: Re: [AstroPy] volunteers sought for astropy wikipedia entry
> To: "AstroPy at scipy.org" <astropy at scipy.org>
> Message-ID: <201311050002.rA502RoP026704 at blue-cove.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 03:33 PM 11/4/2013, Derek Homeier wrote:
> >On 04.11.2013, at 11:14PM, RayS <rays at blue-cove.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> - 54 international developers have contributed so far, including
> > >> developers at notable institutions such the Space Telescope Science
> > >> Institute, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, the Max
> > >> Planck Society, etc. (and you can link to their wikipedia pages)
> > >
> > > ~28 institutions are added from
> > http://dx.doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/201322068
> > >
> >Actually as it is the list almost appears a bit overwhelming (at
> >least it quite dominates
> >the present page), but this will probably balance out as content to
> >the main sections
> >is added...
>
> Ultimately, most of that list should be pushed down into the
> References (which are automagically generated from <ref></ref>), as
> those users' publications are linked from the text body above. The
> Python main page
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_%28programming_language%29
> is a good example.
> Look at the sections it incorporates, and think of where published
> items could be added to Astropy - I think ==Use== and ==Impact==
> would be good to include, and professionals' entries included therein
> with <ref> tags.
>
> Python Contents
> 1 History
> 2 Features and philosophy
> 3 Syntax and semantics
> 3.1 Indentation
> 3.2 Statements and control flow
> 3.3 Expressions
> 3.4 Methods
> 3.5 Typing
> 3.6 Mathematics
> 4 Libraries
> 5 Development environments
> 6 Implementations
> 7 Development
> 8 Naming
> 9 Use
> 10 Impact
> 11 See also
> 12 References
> 13 Further reading
> 14 External links
>
>
> - Ray S
>
>
>
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Kyle Willett
Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy
University of Colorado
willettk [at] colorado.edu
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